Fwd: (Mazd Yasna) some Questions! ...... On the topic of who is the true prophet from God (Reply to dear Yury)

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From: Moobed Azargoshasp <moobad_az...@yahoo.com>
Date: Oct 15, 2006 6:08 PM
Subject: Re: (Mazd Yasna) some Questions! ...... On the topic of who is the true prophet from God (Reply to dear Yury)
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In the happiness of Ahoora Mazda

Dear Yury, you have asked three questions on three different topics. There fore, in order to be clear and sound, I will reply to them in three separate mails. This is my reply to your third question in two sections.

1 Q:
"3.- Regarding your mail below, I heared may times here in London that we do not believe in prophets. In this list we use the word prophet for Asho Zartusht or Peyghambar."
A: How can one group believe in a religion but do not believe in a prophet? Is not this a contradiction? Is this claim meaningful? According to the Good Religion, the teachings of Ashoo Zaratushtera, I.e. the 21 Nask Avesta, are Mantra. In Zoroastrian terminology, the term "Mantra" can be interpreted in to Devine message, revelation, or as the fundamental rules of the universe.

Ashoo Zaratushtera is the Peyghambar/prophet of the Good Religion and this has been said in the Revelation. One who denies this fact, is denying the truthfulness of the Avesta and who does so, not only is not a Zartoshti, he/she is a Gojastak in the eyes of the Din. Behdins are free to have disagreements and arguments on Datic rules or some interpretations and translations of secondary scriptures such as the Pahlavi and the Revayats. However rejecting the status of Zaratushtera Sepihtaman as the Peyghambar of the Mazda Yasni Din is not accepted. Since it is been consider as heresy and corruption.

Claims such as Ashoo Zaratushtera is not a prophet from God, the 21 Nask Avesta is not from Zaratushtera and many other false claims that have been made by the western and Iranian scholars is not accepted by the "Anjoman Moghan Iran". The Anjoman, in its last announcement in the

"Hamayesh Moobedan Iran" in the building of Khosravi in Tehran dated 15^th of Tir month of this year: 3744 Zartoshti, announced that: "none of the religious claims that Zoroastrian scholars make in Iran or outside of Iran are accepted by the Anjoman Moghan Iran".

2 Q_
"Anyway, a person like Soleyman for example, who is considered "Nabi" by other religions, is not Peyghambar for us, and Asho Zartosht is not in the list of "Nabi" of those religions. Is there any difference in the definition of "Peyghambar" and "Nabi"?"
A_ First lets see what does the concept of "Nabi" means and according to Abrahamic religions who are they. Then we will se what is the different between our "Peyghambar" and their "Nabi".
The term "Al-Nabi" literary means prophet. However in Jewish/Arabic beliefs there are two types of prophet. The first group is known as "Al-Rasool" in a single sense and "Al-Rosol" as plural. According to these religions an "Al-Rasool" is similar to an "Al-Nabi" in the sense that he has contact with God and can perform miracle but he is different to an "Al-Nabi" because he has not brought a new religion. This means they have just repeated the teachings of their previous prophets. Examples of "Al-Rasool"s are: Solomon, David, Daniel who although had religious texts, did not bring a new religion. To some extend, they are similar to our kings and worriers in the ShahNameh who although were monotheist spiritual teachers, they did not bring a religion.

The second group of these Abrahamic prophets are known as "Al-Nabi" in a single term and "Al-Anbia" in plural. In total, there are five of these prophets. They are: Noah, Abraham, Moses, Christ and Mohammad. It has been said that each of them brought a specific religion and a text.

There are two main reasons that Ashoo Zaratushtera is not in the list of Abrahamic prophets. First, if one studies Abrahamic religious texts e.g. the Torah or the Qumran, he/she will see that they believed that only the sons of Adam and Eve could become a prophet. In other word they thought that it was impossible for some one who was not a Semitic, could become God's Messenger. There fore, Ashoo Zaratushtera who was a noble Aryan could not be considered a prophet. Second, since grasping Zoroastrian monotheism is too complicated for those who do not belong to an Aryan tradition, specially for Semitics who were always used to an authoritarian God or a despotic master, did not classify Zoroastrians as worshipers of one God.

The Good Religion teaches us that there is only one God I.e. Dadar Ahoora Mazda, there is only one religion I.e. Din Behi Mazda Yasna and there is only one prophet I.e. Peyghambar Ashoo Zaratushtera. One can find these claims in Zoroastrian daily prayers such as the "Avesta Koshti" or in the "Peyman Din". No Zartoshti believes that all religions are true since if they were all from the same source they should had the same teachings. However it is not so. Some religion, fore example Christianity and Islam are exactly in opposition in their fundamental beliefs. The Christians believe that Christ is the son of God. However, the Muslims claim that Allah does not or can not have a son.

Zoroastrianism does not suggest that following other religion is totally useless. However, it believes only a Zartoshti by practicing Zoroastrian's teachings is able to attain Amordad/enlightenment and go to the highest heaven I.e. the "Garothman". followers of other religions, as long as they have more good works than bad dids, they are saved from Hell. Regarding this claim, a famous Pahlavi text: "Shayest Na-Shayest" in chapter 6 verse 6 writes: "Kushtano-bujed said that an infidel (akdino) [that is, one of another religion; not an apostate, nor an atheist], when his good works are one Tanapuhr more than his sin, is saved from hell."

yury jakymec <yuryjakymec@yahoo.com> wrote:

Dear Moobed and all friends!

Dourud Bar Shoma!

I have some questionsto post.

1.- I was reading about the use of the Afrinagans, Niyayesh and Sirozas of the Khordeh Avesta. But I would like to comfirm that the information is correct. This is what I read:

AFrinagans:

-Afrinagan-e Dahman: One source says that is used to bless a house when somebody passed away. Other source says its for Gahanbars

-AFrinagan-e Gatha: This is for Muktad (5 last days of the year and 5 first days from Now ruz)

-Afrinagan-e Gahambar: To be recited on each Gahanbar

-AFrinagan-e Rapithwain: To be recited in the last Gahanbar to welcome the Prayers of Rapithwain

Sirozas: Recited the 30 first days after funerals for the soul of the departed

Niyayeshes:

-Khorshid Niyayesh: to be recited on each festive day during the day

-Mehr Niyayesh: to be recited on each festive day during the day

-Mah Niyayesh: to be recited on each festive day during the night

-Aban Niyayesh: to be recited on the 10th day of each month

-Atash Niyayesh: to be recited on the 9th day of each month

Is this right? Is there something missing here? Please help. I would like to know also the real use of the GAh prayers (I mean the ones we find in a separate section from the kushti prayers, because in our daily kushti prayers, we have the respective gahs before the Sroush Yasht, and they do not link with the Gahs prayers at other section of the khordeh Avesta).

2.- ANyone can tell me what is "Dasatir"? This question is because somebody is spreading false information about the good religion using this book as reference, however, in the web page www.avesta.org where the zoroastrian religious books are listed, this book is not mention anywhere, so I conclude its not a religious book.

3.- Regarding your mail below, I heared may times here in London that we do not believe in prophets. In this list we use the word prophet for Asho Zartusht or Peyghambar. Anyway, a person like Soleyman for example, who is considered "Nabi" by other religions, is not Peyghambar for us, and Asho Zartosht is not in the list of "Nabi" of those religions. Is there any difference in the definition of "Peyghambar" and "Nabi"?

Thanks for your answers. BEdroud!

Yury Jakymec

London, UK

Moobed Azargoshasp <moobad_azargoshasp@yahoo.com> wrote:

In the happiness of Ahoora Mazda

Dear Esfandiar, this is my response to your questions.

2

A_ Off course not. None of these good people were prophet or a messenger from Ahoora Mazda. People such as Tahmoores, Veiongahan, Jamshid, Hoom, Fereydoon and many others were good people who by meditating into the nature and into themselves, realized that there is only one God and men should live in harmony with other creations. If you want to name these people, you can call them the "Teachers of Wisdom" or as we say in Persian; "Amoozegaran Kherad".

C_ No they did not bring a religion but they advised their followers to worship God, live in harmony with nature and always follow reason.

Esfandiar Kiani <zaratushtera@ yahoo.com> wrote:

Beh nam Yazdan

Dorod to all!

Dear Sir Azargoshasp, I have several questions from the below article. I am sure that many other Zoroastrians have the same questions.

1 in the beginning lines of this article the author says; "We believe that God who created the world is just and ..…." .

Do we have this belief in Zoroastrian religion that Ahura Mazda is "Just" and there is a divine Justice in the world?

2 when we read the "Shahnameh", we see the name of many kings such as Gumart and Jamshid, worriers such as Toos and Arash-Kamangir, and also wise men such as Hoom who acted as "spiritual leaders" in their times.

A _ Were these people prophet?

B_ Did they have Zoroastrian religion or in other word, were they Zoroastrian?

C_ Did they bring a new religion?

3 Does Zoroastrianism believe that other religion, fore example Christianity, Hinduism, Judaism and etc are from Ahura Mazda? Or the only religion from God is the Din-Behi?

Shad zi

Bedorood

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