BKforum is down

[AngelinaCatHub]

OK, I just spent the last hour and half writing a response to HRX
regarding his excuseing LAZ So. Here it is since by the time I
attempted to post, the site bellied up. NOW I'm convinsed to put up
another site.

Here is what I said, I hope you can make it out. Luckily I coped and
pasted it to a notepad doc. I'll post it when or if the site comes
up. BS (not MY initials). 'Hub

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[QUOTE=HHM;545312]LOL, had it not come up this week, I would have put
up my own :)[/QUOTE]

This is what Tobee did just to knit this family together. This is
what I have paid for and will be doing. Not as competition.

[QUOTE=GoingDown;545324]It might be a good idea to get some of the
"stickies" and other frequently asked questions and answers copied
over to a second site in case this ever happened again.

There are so many posts on this forum with huge amounts of useful
information that have taken all of us years and years to accumulate
and if the site goes down without a backup copy of the information, we
won't have access to it, and I was thinking how it would take a huge
amount of time to try to find that information again and then type it
all back in to a new forum from scratch.[/QUOTE]

Good idea, but legally not possible. All posts (but your own) are
property of the Forum.

[QUOTE=HRx;545363][url]http://www.bkforum.com/showthread.php?73686-
Welcome-back[/url].[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=HRx;545349]Take a few breaths folks! Keep in mind that this is
an internet forum (I realize how valuable the forum is to many people)
and not an employer or some other sort of business. I'm sure Laz has a
lot of other issues in his personal life that he needs to attend to as
well. But as always technical issues involving the forum always get
resolved and I'm sure Laz will post some information regarding what
happened. Your patience and continued commitment to the forum is
greatly appreciated. :)[/QUOTE]

In all due respect HRX, our patience was tried by an unreasonable
amount of time. With no news, minds wander, people panic, doubt is
sewn, and yes panic sets in.

You and I have seen several new posters who were near suicide or
stated they were. We do not know and hope never will we know, but a
person/s may have needed us when we were not here. You, HRX are a
"Super Mod" and YOU should have the ability to pick up and fix this
site, or at lease collect the emails of all those members, mods, and
other people of interest to keep this so called panic down.

I am and I will set up a site called BKforum.org. It is a done deal
as it is paid for. I have NO intent to move into competition, but I
would invite all Mods to also joint for the event of another long term
outage so that everyone could have "A PORT IN THE STORM". If LAZ is
too busy to notice the importance of this place he created, he is TOO
BUSY.

I am NOT talking him down. I am not criticizing him. I'm voicing my
opinion under the rules of this Forum.

I would not have shelled out $500 bucks when I'm working for my
brother at ten bucks an hour if I did not feel strongly about this.
Mrs. Is a Mod. To date I have NOT asked her anything withing the
realm of "Mod's ville", a promise I made to her and LRPRN of long ago
after she soundly chastised me for breaking the rules. I am THIS
loyal. More than that, I am MORE loyal to LAZ's clientele'.

Please take this in the light of which I state, and not personally. I
do wish to communicate with LAZ (when I get home) about becoming his
auxiliary, as I don't (as many) want to see an interruption like this
last one that was truly unreasonable.

[QUOTE=HRx;545369]Doesn't really make a difference for this forum,
[COLOR="red"]because non of the moderators have admin or any other
technical rights/access to the forum to resolve issues.[/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"] See above, this is correctable. [/COLOR]I can pretty
much bet that[COLOR="red"] Laz is aware of forum outages 99.9% of the
times and is/will address the issue as soon as he can.[/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]Not acceptable. See above. He created this site. It
is the best site on the web of this kind. He needs a backup admin or
sell the Forum off. [/COLOR][B][COLOR="red"] With that said a little
patience is in order.[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR="blue"]A little patience was
in order, but after three days, ten days, thirteen days, doubt comes
to mind. There is a limit to giving up and starting over. Tobee was
our hero, and a "Spare Tire" site in in production.[/COLOR]
[COLOR="red"]But again, everyone's concern, patience and due diligence
in trying to figure out why the site was down is much appreciated.[/
COLOR] [COLOR="blue"] Does this now matter? The site is up and I for
myself hope it never goes down. It is more important than you know,
or even LAZ realized, particularly in this economy and situation this
Country and World is now in. [/COLOR][/QUOTE]

HRX, I pray not to have offended you. I am honest, and do not lie,
and I do not shield my opinion when necessary. This is necessary. I
have applauded LAZ and his choice in his Moderators. When his bells
and whistles went up, I strongly disagreed with that and told him and
all my opinion. I hope not to be banned for my opinion, as my heart
is here, but more so with my FAMILY, the Forum members. 'Hub

[buzzstpoint]

As someone that has set up many websites and built a few forums (well
versed in vBulletin if you ever need any help) , and helped launch
other forums off the ground, I can say, especially a large forum,
there needs to be a 2nd person that will be able to fix issues when
something like this happens.

I will say there is a risk allowing someone else server access. This
would have to be someone you would trust completely.

As for AC and Hub going forth and setting up another/secondary forum,
I say go for it. It can't hurt, if anything it can only help.

[AngelinaCat]

No, BKF is not down again; it is the service in the Tennessee
mountains--Morristown, specifically--that is up, down, and sideways.
'Hub is back up at his brother's place again--and he is frustrated...

Meanwhile, we have the web space and the software. We can play around
with the software and learn it, and have it ready to go if it is
needed.

Thanks...

[mountanddo]

I have not been a member of bkforum.com long but the time I have been
there I have quickly felt like I was among friends that genuinely care
about people and want to help. So just a couple of thoughts....

Even though bkforum is NOT a business or an employer there is some
silent responsibility especially since the forum has been up for years
and has an enourmous amount of information and resources that people
obviously access on a daily basis even years after they have been
discharged.

Money stress, problems cause highly charged emotions in people. When
I read that people are in such despair locked in a hotel room calling
a suicide hotline because they don't know where else to turn and they
turn to this forum I think we ALL have a responsiblity as human beings
to try and help. I was genuinely concerned about BG.

I appreciate the frankness of your post and think it was well thought
out and well written. The moderators of this site are some of the
best that I have seen on any forum on the internet. I've seen gaming
websites that have gotten way out of control about losing pixalated
pictures because of bad moderators to the point of threatening other
posters. The fact that the moderators of this site can keep the site
as professional as it is, is beyond amazing.

I hope that your post is taken the way it was written and not seen as
advisary. That being said, I would think that there is information
that could be gathered without infringing on copyright laws. If the
site should go down again it would be nice to at least have general
information and a place to go. Maybe there needs to be more than one
site, not to compete but to enhance, *if that makes sense..it sounded
kinda stupid to me* LOL

One more thought. If the site is "just" an internet forum and not a
business or employer why the big concern about copyright infringement?

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[tobee43]

ahhhhhh...so extemely well written dew...

and as far as hub, ditto. i'm somewhat in a daze about the entire
situation still. hub!!! you are MY HERO!

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