mp3 files
julian
благодаря вашей помощи я этого достиг уже могу помещать в компьютер
bk-0010 сотни игр. с моим магнитофоном mp3
оно функционирует совершенно .Los каталоги я достал их из участника
соревнования первого yury kalmykov я превратил их в WAV и после
переместил их в mp3
я разместил фотографию на странице архивов для того, чтобы вы увидели
ее.
nierveze
tape recorders are unreliable things ,and are becoming difficult to find
even as toys , but it only works for already written programs ,
not to record the job done on a real bk.
Another idea could be an old pc (486)with a sound card .That old pc could
entirely replace the tape recorder .I tested to hear wav files recorded on a
cdrom on a domestic cdreader ,it does not work,
it does not work neither on a domestic dvd reader .
:-(((
I have lots of programs on four bk tapes would it be useful
to put that on the net ?
I have found the connectors
for the two rear connectors of bk ,it is what is called europe connectors
(64 pins in two rows ),for what is also called europe boards,20 years ago
there were lots of circuit boards using it .Lots of interfaces can be built
easily .I am happy that I found an old amber monitor ,it was broken but
costed nothing...
in fact I traded it against a box of clothes that my children could not wear
,we use methods that existed before money existed :-)))
Best regards to all members of the group .
alain nierveze
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Envoyé : lundi 4 juin 2007 11:09
Objet : [bk0010] mp3 files
Leo B.
> I am happy that I found an old amber monitor ,it was broken but
> costed nothing...
An Amiga monitor works without any modifications in the b/w mode, and
if you're lucky, in color mode. If not, a voltage level converter can
be made out of two transistors.
Leo
nierveze
the monitor is repaired and works really fine,
it is a zenith zvm-1220 ,a good monitor ,I mean that with it the circles are
really round ,and squares are really squares...this was not the case with
the others I tested ,even after careful adjusting
.Could you please give me informations about the joystick ,I think is is
connected on the parallel port ,but do you have a schematic of it ,also
please,
do you know addresses of shops in Russia selling
the interface for floppy disks?thanks very much,best regards
alain nierveze
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julian
Bk-0010 has an exit rgb analogical with the compound vertical and
horizontal synchronism.
the vertical synchronism is of 50hz and the horizontal synchronism is
of 15khz with this information it is possible to tune in to a monitor
vga but that it is multisync.This monitors are a little rare and
difficult to find.
What I have done is to use a chip lm1881 to separate the vertical and
horizontal synchronisms
and the horizontal synchronism of 15khz doubled it to 30khz with a
circuit that I saw in Internet. With this system you are able to
connect one bk-0010 to a monitor vga crt. At present I have bought an
American kit who turns of rgb with synchronism to monitor tft
vga.When have it mounted I put you a few photos of set bk-0010 and
TFT.
greetings
On 5 jun, 10:12, "nierveze" <nierv...@radio-astronomie.com> wrote:
> Hello Leo,thanks for your information ,
> the monitor is repaired and works really fine,
> it is a zenith zvm-1220 ,a good monitor ,I mean that with it the circles are
> really round ,and squares are really squares...this was not the case with
> the others I tested ,even after careful adjusting
> .Could you please give me informations about the joystick ,I think is is
> connected on the parallel port ,but do you have a schematic of it ,also
> please,
> do you know addresses of shops in Russia selling
> the interface for floppy disks?thanks very much,best regards
> alain nierveze
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> : "БК-0010 - советский персональный компьютер" <bk0...@googlegroups.com>
> Envoy : lundi 4 juin 2007 21:24
Leo B.
Joysticks are connected to the parallel port, and as there were many
different models, most programs have a setup mode where they ask you
to move the joystick in each direction and press the button to sense
the bits. Usually it's the 6 lower bits of the port, the 4 lowest bits
are directional, the next two are the buttons.
For the correspondence of the bits to the pins see
http://bk0010-private.leob.com/PK-BK/bk-1994.4.djvu page 33-34.
I don't think any shop sells floppy controllers for BK because it
needs an undocumented PLA. An IDE controller is easier (a few
registers, decoders and muxes) but needs either memory chips that
implement the PDP-11 handshake or a PLA that implements it.
Regards,
Leo
nierveze
make some ,they are very useful with vaxstations because dec had strange
strandarts ....also svga<>tv (secam,pal) converters are rather expensive
thing ,about one year ago I have looked for such thing to allow my children
to look at cartoons and films from a home dvd reader with a pc video without
a pc and without a tv receiver (in France tv receivers are subject to
taxes ,even if you do look at the tv!!!!and I did not want to pay that
tax:-)))do you remember the url of the thing you built to double synchronism
from tv standart to vga?
thanks best regards
alain
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Envoyé : mardi 5 juin 2007 13:57
nierveze
about ide disk for qbus here are 2 links
http://www.chd.dyndns.org/qbus_ide/
http://www.telegraphics.com.au/pdp11/dsu/
they may be useful for the group
thanks ,best regards
alain
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Envoyé : mardi 5 juin 2007 17:02
Objet : [bk0010] Re: mp3 files
Leo B.
> hello Leo ,thanks for the precisions about the joystick ,I'll build one!!!
> about ide disk for qbus here are 2 links
>
> http://www.chd.dyndns.org/qbus_ide/
>http://www.telegraphics.com.au/pdp11/dsu/
> they may be useful for the group
Thanks. The details about the ports used by the existing IDE
controllers are here:
http://bk0010-private.leob.com/PK-BK/bk-1995.5.djvu page 57 onwards
The controller is "special" in a way that it writes all data to the
disk in the inverse (this saved a few inverters on the board) and that
it has word-sized "registers" with odd addresses and ignores the byte
write signal on the bus for the "registers" as well as for the on-
board RAM.
Leo
julian
have any problem
because it is running.
regards
On 5 jun, 20:16, "nierveze" <nierv...@radio-astronomie.com> wrote:
> Hello Julian ,yes I know those things ,multisync monitors are rare ,Iiyama
> make some ,they are very useful with vaxstations because dec had strange
> strandarts ....also svga<>tv (secam,pal) converters are rather expensive
> thing ,about one year ago I have looked for such thing to allow my children
> to look at cartoons and films from a home dvd reader with a pc video without
> a pc and without a tv receiver (in France tv receivers are subject to
> taxes ,even if you do look at the tv!!!!and I did not want to pay that
> tax:-)))do you remember the url of the thing you built to double synchronism
> from tv standart to vga?
> thanks best regards
> alain
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> : "БК-0010 - советский персональный компьютер" <bk0...@googlegroups.com>
> Envoy : mardi 5 juin 2007 13:57
nierveze
regards,have a nice week end !!!
alain
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Envoyé : vendredi 8 juin 2007 23:42
nierveze
,everything is ok ,here is it picture on my web site :
www.radio-astronomie.com/info.htm
he is happy (and me also) with all my vaxes and pdp .The page is in french
(sorry ,but the pictures have no language) ,I have put a link with the
google group initiated by Serge ,and Angstrem company who still makes pdp
processors .Good week end to all .Alain Nierveze
Terra
А ведь схема господина Julian интересна. Она меня натолкнула на мысль,
что из неё можно исключить lm1881n? а взять импульсы синхронизации из
самой БК. Вроде 50 Гц многие мониторы держат, а вот со строчной
синхронизацией он интересно придумал (или я так понял нашёл в
Internet). Попозже попытаюсь изобразить схему. А вот ещё одна
интересная вещь http://www.nedopc.com/PALCODER/palcoder.php
P.s. Для тех кто будет в Москве 8 июля. В том году проходила встреча
БК фанов, в этом году решили повторить.
30 июня - 8 июля 2007 года в Лужниках пройдёт Большой Московский
Фестиваль Пива (
http://www.beer-festival.ru/ ) Предлагаю повторить прошлогоднюю
встречу
( фото отчёт http://www.owg.ru/mkt/default.asp?rubr_id=188 и тут
http://snimaem.ru/bk ). Проголосовать за день проведения и обсудить
это
дело можно на http://bk-001x.flybb.ru/topic31.html
Предлагаю встретиться 8 июля в 13.00 у Лужнецкого моста, санция местро
Спортивная 1 вагон из центра. Контактный
телефон 8-909-626-90-02 Андрей
Terra
across me on thought that from it possible to exclude lm1881n? but
take the pulses to synchronizing from most BK. Like 50 Hz many
monitors keeps, but here is with small synchronizing he has
interesting done (or I so has understood found in Internet). A little
later try to draw the scheme. But here is one more interesting thing
http://www.nedopc.com/PALCODER/palcoder.php
P.s. For that who will be in Moscow July 8. In that year passed
meeting BK фанов, have this year solved to repeat.
the June 30 - a July 8 2007 in Luzhnikah will pass the Big Moscow
Festival a Beer ( http://www.beer-festival.ru/ ) Offer to repeat last
year's meeting ( the photo report http://www.owg.ru/mkt/default.asp?rubr_id=188
and here http://snimaem.ru/bk ). Vote per diem undertaking and discuss
this deal possible on http://bk-001x.flybb.ru/topic31.html
Offer be met July 8 in 13.00 beside Luzhneckogo bridge, station местро
Sporivnay 1 coach from the centre. Contact telephone 8-909-626-90-02
Andrey
nierveze
bit too short to go tomorrow to Moscow from France,but from the photos I
have seen it it a kind ,friendly meeting where it seems there is more beer
than BK :-)))Enjoy ,have a good day ,Alain
ps:I want to make tee shirt where there would be written:" BK0010 the
smallest PDP11 from USSR"
in english and cyrrillics ,with a picture of the BK ,please help me to
translate it into cyrillics
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Objet : [bk0010] Re: my bk
AT
> smallest PDP11 from USSR"
> in english and cyrrillics ,with a picture of the BK ,please help me to
> translate it into cyrillics
Salut, Alain.
Ce doit tre ainsi: "БК - 0010.01 - самый маленький PDP11 из СССР!"
adieu
nierveze
,of course I do not understand everything (it is promised I'll learn russian
language when I am retired in two years!!!)
but lots of schematics and programs are very useful ,but several of them are
in assembler of pdp11.The question is simple : is it possible to
program in assembler with a basic bk0010-01(basic=what I get out of the
box:bk0010+mstd device+terminator +taperecorder+video),what program do I
need ,is it available ,where??...well you understand .It could be possible
to simulate
assembler by peek/poke in basic ,but I mean real assembler .I know assembler
of pdp11 but on a pdp11.
Thanks very much ,best regards to all ,I hope the
winter is not too cold in russia.
alain nierveze
Leo B.
assembler, loader, debugger?) called TURBO.
It can be found here: http://bksoft.by.ru/alexsoft.zip (you'll get on
an interstitial page, click again on a link within the yellow box on
the left).
The file is an MS-DOS floppy image. In Linux, mount it with "mount -o
loop" or use mtools (mdir, mcopy) to get to the files.
Leo
Leo B.
header.
The load address is stored as the modification time. Usually 0:16 is
01000, 0:15 is 0760,
for the exact values use a binary editor.
...Oops. This version requires a memory extender. What you need is
called MICRO.WS but I cannot find it now.
Leo
Leo B.
interactive assembler:
http://bk0010.leob.com/BIN/MIRAGE.BIN
Leo
nierveze
downloaded the two programs ,Mirage works well under the emulator ,I 'll
make a tape to load on the real bk ,and test it .
Thanks again best regards
alain
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Objet : [bk0010] Re: assembler on bk
Aleks Fidela
Hello all the respected members of this group.
here is the best ever disassembling tool for BK. It is called
paradise.
It's being loaded at address 60000. When run, it asks if you want to
load a plugin. For to cancel that, u gotta press KT, AFAIR
Adieu
nierveze
emulator from Mr Kalmykov and the program of Mr Grabovets) and it does not
work on my win 98 machine ,both these two emulators work Mirage and lots of
.bin programs ok ,I keep it to try on my real bk .
for information there is a mk90 for sale on ebay
best regards to all
alain nierveze
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À : "nierveze" <bk0...@googlegroups.com>
Envoyé : lundi 10 décembre 2007 17:56
Objet : [bk0010] Re: assembler on bk
Aleks Fidela
Monday, December 10, 2007, 11:06:03 PM, you wrote:
> hello ,thanks very much ,but I tried to load it on two emulators (windows
> emulator from Mr Kalmykov and the program of Mr Grabovets) and it does not
> work on my win 98 machine ,both these two emulators work Mirage and lots of
> .bin programs ok ,I keep it to try on my real bk .
> for information there is a mk90 for sale on ebay
> best regards to all
> alain nierveze
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> ? : "nierveze" <bk0...@googlegroups.com>
> Envoy? : lundi 10 d?cembre 2007 17:56
> Objet : [bk0010] Re: assembler on bk
I'm not sure if it is the latest version, but...
I now repost it in MIME.
Best regards,
Aleks mailto:aleks....@gmail.com
Leo Broukhis
> I'm not sure if it is the latest version, but...
> I now repost it in MIME.
It says ВВОД ДОГРУЗКИ ("loading plugin") ЖДУ ИМЯ? ("waiting for name").
KT does not help, STOP kills it.
Leo
nierveze
emulators I use I get a an error in
the program ,the emulators cannot load
the dissassembler , the program crashes ,everything is ok with others
programs in .bin form ,so it is not a problem (I think) of windows or of the
emulators ,but of the emulators+this program .
best regards
to all
alain nierveze
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Envoyé : mardi 11 décembre 2007 22:35
Objet : [bk0010] Re: assembler on bk
Leo Broukhis
>
> hello Leo ,not it does not say this :on my machine (win 98)with the two
> emulators I use I get a an error in
> the program ,the emulators cannot load
> the dissassembler , the program crashes ,everything is ok with others
> programs in .bin form ,so it is not a problem (I think) of windows or of the
> emulators ,but of the emulators+this program .
I tried it on my emulator (sf.net/bk-terak-emu); the other emulators
must be able to handle it properly. You have to make sure it loads
into the bottom of the screen and the prompt that appears after the
loading process ends does not disturb it. Still, I don't know what to
answer to the plugin prompt. If Mirage works for you, use it; I'll see
if I can find TURBO.WS somewhere in my files.
Leo
Aleks Fidela
Wednesday, December 12, 2007, 11:17:56 AM, you wrote:
With huge effort, but not the unplesant :) I've found the working
example of paradise (gratefull thanks to Nicholas Golovin). It doesn't
ask for plugin. Here it is.
--
nierveze
real bk .Paradise ,nice name :doing pdp11 assembly language is like being
close to paradise!!!Really I like pdp11 assembly .I have courses from DEC
about assembly language of the pdp11,if it useful I can make photocopies and
sent it to one of you in Russia to scan and put in a web page .I cannot scan
it myself unfortunately.Is there a manual of paradise somewhere or a summary
of the commands ?,even in russian I can translate it.Thanks again very much
,best regards
alain nierveze
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Envoyé : samedi 15 décembre 2007 10:25
Objet : [bk0010] Re: assembler on bk
Aleks Fidela
Saturday, December 15, 2007, 12:51:31 PM, you wrote:
> Hello Aleks ,yes it works fine on the two emulators ,I'll test it with the
> real bk .Paradise ,nice name :doing pdp11 assembly language is like being
> close to paradise!!!Really I like pdp11 assembly .I have courses from DEC
> about assembly language of the pdp11,if it useful I can make photocopies and
> sent it to one of you in Russia to scan and put in a web page .I cannot scan
> it myself unfortunately.Is there a manual of paradise somewhere or a summary
> of the commands ?,even in russian I can translate it.Thanks again very much
The most common commands are:
as [address] - disassemble
du [address] - dump
tr [address] - trace
unforunately I have no manual of any kind for paradise.
nierveze
It works,also I discovered experimentally that
lo 'filename' loads a file ,and ex exits the program
best regards
Alain Nierveze
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À : "nierveze" <bk0...@googlegroups.com>
Objet : [bk0010] Re: assembler on bk
Hello nierveze,