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JoeMal...@gmail.com

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Feb 8, 2008, 4:31:35 PM2/8/08
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I am looking for a web design company to create a website for my
business. A friend recommended Visual Edge Design Inc. to me (http://
www.visualedgedesign.com). They are a firm in the Tampa Bay area in
Florida. I am not in FL so would like to know if anyone has had
experience with these guys, and if so what is your recommendation.

Looking at their web site design portfolio, I am very impressed but
would still like some feedback from others.

Chris Gunn

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Feb 8, 2008, 4:48:39 PM2/8/08
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On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:31:35 -0700, JoeMal...@gmail.com wrote:

>Looking at their web site design portfolio, I am very impressed but
>would still like some feedback from others.

Howdy,

They have a nice long list of clients but no links you can follow to see the
actual sites. If you can't easily contact any of their clients, it's a
reason to step back and look elsewhere.

Do a search for their "visualedgedesign.com" domain name. There are a
number of links worth reading.

Browse through the http://seo.bizycart.com manual and you'll find some
background on the kind of question to ask a design company.

Thanks, Chris www.bizynet.com and www.bizycart.com
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Chaddy2222899

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Feb 11, 2008, 10:46:37 AM2/11/08
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On Feb 9, 8:48=A0am, Chris Gunn <cg...@bizynet.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 08 Feb 2008 14:31:35 -0700, JoeMalloy...@gmail.com wrote:
> >Looking at their web site design portfolio, I am very impressed but
> >would still like some feedback from others.
>
> Howdy,
>
> They have a nice long list of clients but no links you can follow to see t=
he
> actual sites. =A0If you can't easily contact any of their clients, it's a

> reason to step back and look elsewhere.
>
> Do a search for their "visualedgedesign.com" domain name. =A0There are a

> number of links worth reading.
>
> Browse through thehttp://seo.bizycart.commanual and you'll find some

> background on the kind of question to ask a design company.
>
Did you view the source code, it looks like it is strate out of
Dreamwever.
--
Regards Chad. http://freewebdesignonline.org

Chris Gunn

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Feb 11, 2008, 11:26:26 AM2/11/08
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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:46:37 -0700, in biz.marketplace.web-design you wrote:

>On Feb 9, 8:48=A0am, Chris Gunn <cg...@bizynet.com> wrote:
>>

>> Browse through the http://seo.bizycart.com manual and you'll find some


>> background on the kind of question to ask a design company.
>>
>Did you view the source code, it looks like it is strate out of
>Dreamwever.

Howdy,

Where did you get that impression? All of the template pages are hand coded
and DreamWeaver will probably not let you use:
<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">

http://seo.bizycart.com/Instruction.htm is what the manual pages look like
before filled in from the data base.

http://seo.bizycart.com/BIZyCart.ASP?GROUP=MetaTags&CLIENT=SEO covers the
heading Meta tags. I add and update things almost daily.

Your own site could use some fixing. You aren't doing anything that can't
be done with basic HTML 3.2 and I don't see any need for PHP. Your pages
validate okay but your style sheet has some problems.

http://seo.bizycart.com/BIZyCart.ASP?GROUP=Links&CLIENT=SEO has links to a
nice group of tools for checking web site pages. There's also a link to
Hippie Pro, which I use for coding.

You are off to a nice start. Recommend you get a copy of Hippie so you can
see how other pages are structured and learn how to work all of the HMTL
tags. The F1 key opens the help details for every tag.

Chaddy2222899

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Feb 12, 2008, 2:23:30 PM2/12/08
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On Feb 12, 3:26=A0am, Chris Gunn <cg...@bizynet.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 08:46:37 -0700, in biz.marketplace.web-design you wrot=
e:
> >On Feb 9, 8:48=3DA0am, Chris Gunn <cg...@bizynet.com> wrote:
>
> >> Browse through thehttp://seo.bizycart.commanual and you'll find some

> >> background on the kind of question to ask a design company.
>
> >Did you view the source code, it looks like it is strate out of
> >Dreamwever.
>
> Howdy,
>
> Where did you get that impression? =A0All of the template pages are hand c=

oded
> and DreamWeaver will probably not let you use:
> <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 3.2 Final//EN">
>
> http://seo.bizycart.com/Instruction.htmis what the manual pages look like

> before filled in from the data base.
>
> http://seo.bizycart.com/BIZyCart.ASP?GROUP=3DMetaTags&CLIENT=3DSEOcovers t=
he
> heading Meta tags. =A0I add and update things almost daily.
>
I was actually talking about the OP's URL but anyway.

> Your own site could use some fixing. =A0You aren't doing anything that can=
't
> be done with basic HTML 3.2 and I don't see any need for PHP. =A0Your page=


s
> validate okay but your style sheet has some problems.

No errors though.

>
> http://seo.bizycart.com/BIZyCart.ASP?GROUP=3DLinks&CLIENT=3DSEOhas links t=
o a
> nice group of tools for checking web site pages. =A0There's also a link to=

> Hippie Pro, which I use for coding.
>

> You are off to a nice start. =A0Recommend you get a copy of Hippie so you =


can
> see how other pages are structured and learn how to work all of the HMTL

> tags. =A0The F1 key opens the help details for every tag.
>
Thanks, BTW I use Crimson editor for all my hand codeing.
The PHP makes updateing the site easier. I only need to edit one or
two files to make a site-wide update instead of every page.

Chris Gunn

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Feb 12, 2008, 2:36:41 PM2/12/08
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:23:30 -0700, Chaddy2222899
<spamlovermai...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>Thanks, BTW I use Crimson editor for all my hand codeing.
>The PHP makes updateing the site easier. I only need to edit one or
>two files to make a site-wide update instead of every page.

Howdy,

DreamWeaver and others will let you do similar and assemble sections to
create web pages. However, then you can upload a standard *.html page
instead of spending server time to assemble it.

BIZyCart has an option to do the same thing. I can insert the same header
or navigation panel on any web page along with adding additional content
from the data base.

Chaddy2222899

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Feb 12, 2008, 11:05:08 PM2/12/08
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On Feb 13, 6:36=A0am, Chris Gunn <cg...@bizynet.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 12:23:30 -0700, Chaddy2222899
>
> <spamlovermailbox-sicur...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >Thanks, BTW I use Crimson editor for all my hand codeing.
> >The PHP makes updateing the site easier. I only need to edit one or
> >two files to make a site-wide update instead of every page.
>
> Howdy,
>
> DreamWeaver and others will let you do similar and assemble sections to
> create web pages. =A0However, then you can upload a standard *.html page

> instead of spending server time to assemble it.
>
> BIZyCart has an option to do the same thing. =A0I can insert the same head=

er
> or navigation panel on any web page along with adding additional content
> from the data base.
>
Yeah but it's easier to just let the server take care of that stuff
(bandwidth does not cost that much now a days).

Chris Gunn

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Feb 12, 2008, 11:19:05 PM2/12/08
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On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:05:08 -0700, Chaddy2222899
<spamlovermai...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>Yeah but it's easier to just let the server take care of that stuff
>(bandwidth does not cost that much now a days).

Howdy,

It may be easier for you with hobby sites but when coding profitable
ecommerce sites, "easy" is a four letter word. Everything you can do to
reduce server script time and improve the display speed for the pages means
more order buttons clicked. That keeps your clients and gains referrals
instead of their looking for better design work.

It also feels really good when you know you are using the best tools and
coded a race car instead of a Yugo.

Chaddy2222899

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Feb 13, 2008, 11:10:46 AM2/13/08
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On Feb 13, 3:19=A0pm, Chris Gunn <cg...@bizynet.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 21:05:08 -0700, Chaddy2222899
>
> <spamlovermailbox-sicur...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >Yeah but it's easier to just let the server take care of that stuff
> >(bandwidth does not cost that much now a days).
>
> Howdy,
>
> It may be easier for you with hobby sites but when coding profitable
> ecommerce sites, "easy" is a four letter word. =A0
Well what I ment was that useing PHP or any other server side language
for that matter is a better idea for includeing sections of a page
then useing eather client side JavaScript or some software specific
method (such as DW's templateing system).
It also makes the site more portable as you can move it from one
server to another without any problems.
Mind you I have used CMS's in the past *even on sites for non profits
where the site was really slow to load. Even on broadband. Due to both
a badly written set of HTML files (which were hard to customize and
slow rendering and it may have also been a MySQL issue as well.
I think that's the issue for the most part it is bad scripts that
cause pages to not render quickly (my sites use the smallest amount of
server side code to make them work and do what they need to do.

>Everything you can do to

> reduce server script time and improve the display speed for the pages mean=
s
> more order buttons clicked. =A0That keeps your clients and gains referrals=

> instead of their looking for better design work.

I do however agree with this.
I think it depends on how large the site is and how interactive the
site needs to be.
But yes I think reducing the amount of overall code needed for a site
to work is a good thing.

>

Chris Gunn

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Feb 13, 2008, 11:51:34 AM2/13/08
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On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 09:10:46 -0700, Chaddy2222899
<spamlovermai...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>Well what I ment was that useing PHP or any other server side language
>for that matter is a better idea for includeing sections of a page
>then useing eather client side JavaScript or some software specific
>method (such as DW's templateing system).

Howdy,

But PHP is scripting language based on the old Pearl C++ and Java Script
coding. It is also not as efficient because they've added extra processes
down underneath to make it easier to code with.

>It also makes the site more portable as you can move it from one
>server to another without any problems.

Most hosting companies these days have PHP installed. The most portable
site would be plain HTML pages without any scripting.

>I think that's the issue for the most part it is bad scripts that
>cause pages to not render quickly (my sites use the smallest amount of
>server side code to make them work and do what they need to do.

You've got the right idea.

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