BEWARE of ARIS SINGAPORE: they're a BUNCH OF THIEVES!
Jean-Michel GUITER
Centre in Singapore (ARIS Microsystems Pte Ltd) and every attempt to make it
work failed: I took it back to the shop (wasting 5 long hours) they even sent
a technician to my place, but with no success. And now (6 weeks later) they
refuse to refund me, because, according to them, the card was in perfect
working order!
In spite of all they say, their card is NOT FULLY IBM-PC COMPATIBLE, and they
didn't have a proper Windows 95 driver for it. So, INNOCENT CUSTOMER BEWARE:
don't buy anything from ARIS unless you are prepared to lose your money if it
doesn't work!
Jasen
rig...@singnet.com.sg (Jean-Michel GUITER) wrote:
My views,
Jasen
James
See "Poor Quality Computers" thread in soc.culture.singapore.
You haven't experienced the worst until you've tried an Aris
Microcomputer PC. In my experience, that is the worst, absolutely the
poorest made PC in the world. Granted they purchase brand-name
components but they're not tested for compatibility! I bought one 2
years back. Before 6 months went by, all sorts of gremlins went to
work - sudden crashes, sudden re-boots, ports quitting on you without
rhyme or reason.
I must have contacted them a dozen times. Each time, some poor
technician comes around, fiddles around trying to fix an essentially
irreparable computer, at his wits' end. After numerous calls for a
resolution, I gave up. In the end, I decided that that, in order to
prevent high blood pressure and homicidal urges, I'd better get rid of
it. Bought motherboard, chip, etc., separately and installed
everything inside the Aris case and my newly upgraded computer works
fine! Cost me an additional two grand but it's worth it just to get
the bad taste of the @#$*&%$*& out of my mouth. I just hope they
haven't cheated too many students (or people with limited budgets) out
of their hard-earned savings. Somebody should do something about large
corporates who bully individual consumers - they ignore you knowing
fully well that one person cannot make a difference.
God save the world if they manage to get a public listing (and
horrors, distribute that poor excuse of a computer widely)! : (
:-)@singnet.com.sg
Ragitagha) wrote:
>Jasen and James... one and the same??
>
>Hiding your userid will not help.
>
>Your vendetta against Aris is not interesting..
>
I'm sure they feel very cheated by Aris. Anyone would be if they
bought stuff and it didn't work. It just goes to show how lame you are
Malek. And yes...I'm hiding my userid. So?
sofianna
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Subject: BEWARE of ARIS SINGAPORE: they're a BUNCH OF THIEVES!
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 13:38:15
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Melek nar Ragitagha
Hiding your userid will not help.
Your vendetta against Aris is not interesting..
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Subject: Re: BEWARE of ARIS SINGAPORE: they're a BUNCH OF THIEVES!
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fnord,
Melek (red...@merlion.singnet.com.sg)
" There is no why. There is no try. There is do. Or do not. "
--- Jedi Master Yoda.
KEEF
>I'm sure they feel very cheated by Aris. Anyone would be if they
>bought stuff and it didn't work. It just goes to show how lame you are
>Malek. And yes...I'm hiding my userid. So?
** Can you imagine if everyone that bought stuff that did'nt
works....register thier complain here...?
And how would you feel if you're the owner of Aris?
and your livelihood depends on it....and after reading your
report...everyone avoids patronising him....and he suffered
huge losses in his business...his business fail....his wife
leaves him and took the kids away too...He's left with hugh
debts..he took to drinking and drugs to 'escape' his
sorrow....and he thinking of suicide...and finally did.
HOW?
keef
Melek nar Ragitagha
From: :-)@singnet.com.sg
Subject: Re: BEWARE of ARIS SINGAPORE: they're a BUNCH OF THIEVES!
>>Jasen and James... one and the same??
>>Hiding your userid will not help.
>>Your vendetta against Aris is not interesting..
>I'm sure they feel very cheated by Aris. Anyone would be if they
>bought stuff and it didn't work. It just goes to show how lame you are
>Malek. And yes...I'm hiding my userid. So?
* YAWN *
Making yourself sound like many. How shallow and lame!!
Is this the best you can do, you pathetic descendant of monkeys??
James
>Jasen and James... one and the same??
>Hiding your userid will not help.
>Your vendetta against Aris is not interesting..
Yes, it's the same and BOTH are forwarded postings. It's not a
vendetta, just don't know how to forward a message from one newsgroup
to another - I copied them manually. Do you?
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>From: James
>Newsgroups:
>sg.singnet.win95,sg.singnet.talk,sg.singnet.www,biz.marketplace.computers.pc-clone,biz.marketplace.international,soc.culture.singapore
>Subject: Re: BEWARE of ARIS SINGAPORE: they're a BUNCH OF THIEVES!
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>fnord,
>Melek (red...@merlion.singnet.com.sg)
>" There is no why. There is no try. There is do. Or do not. "
> --- Jedi Master Yoda.
My opinion,
James
Melek nar Ragitagha
From: James
Subject: Re: BEWARE of ARIS SINGAPORE: they're a BUNCH OF THIEVES!
>>Your vendetta against Aris is not interesting..
>Yes, it's the same and BOTH are forwarded postings. It's not a
>vendetta, just don't know how to forward a message from one newsgroup
>to another - I copied them manually. Do you?
What a pathetic and lame excuse.
Send the complaints where it belonged.
ARIS COMPUTER doesn't care if you post your rubbish here. They can't even
remedy their faults..
Grow up!!
:-)@singnet.com.sg
>
> ** Can you imagine if everyone that bought stuff that did'nt
> works....register thier complain here...?
> And how would you feel if you're the owner of Aris?
> and your livelihood depends on it....and after reading your
> report...everyone avoids patronising him....and he suffered
> huge losses in his business...his business fail....his wife
> leaves him and took the kids away too...He's left with hugh
> debts..he took to drinking and drugs to 'escape' his
> sorrow....and he thinking of suicide...and finally did.
>
> HOW?
>
> keef
>
You'd mean you'd rather them cheat paople out of their money than go
bust? I have heard so many horror stories about Aris. Bad parts, poor
service and unqualified staff. They do not affect me in anyway as I
build my own computers but imagine the average layman on the street.
He goes to the shop, gets shown a demo of what an Aris computer can
do, buys it, brings it back and it goes boom! I have a personal friend
who bought a P100 from Aris and the thing refused to boot after 2
weeks! And do you know how long they brought it back?? 3 MONTHS!! A
simple change of MB would have sufficed. I hereby give you Aris
Computers. Maybe Malek or you should get a PC from them and post your
experiences.....
KEEF
What I'm trying to say is to take things easy...you could
'tune' your mind to the wicked side of doing things...That is
like telling yourself,if anybody cheat or hurt me...I'm going
to get back at him,at all cost....your mind starts planning
of ways to get back at him.Evil and wicked thoughts flashes..
By doing that, nothing POSITIVE is going to happen.You are
just putting more stress on yourself.
WHY?
keef
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Melek nar Ragitagha
From: :-)@singnet.com.sg
Subject: Re: BEWARE of ARIS SINGAPORE: they're a BUNCH OF THIEVES!
>>ARIS COMPUTER doesn't care if you post your rubbish here. They can't even
>>remedy their faults..
>Hahaha!! Malek....thank God you never went to the University. What a
>insult to all the academics out there. :-)
Same to you.
Edison Too
>Send your complaints where it belonged.. ARIS COMPUTER. Period.
I think posting complaints here does serve a purpose of warning others
of a company that doesn't do its job. I'm sure those people who have
had bad experience with ARIS had complained to ARIS. But if those
complaints doesn't get them to pull up their socks, then others should
be warned about getting system from them. And maybe those companies
who disregard customers' rights to reasonable level of support and
quality will reap the result of what they have done : reduced sales.
Regards,
Edison
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:: Edison Too the Stone Man ::
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Nicholas Tann
Quote from James..
>>just don't know how to forward a message from one newsgroup
>>to another - I copied them manually. Do you?
Unquote
>What a pathetic and lame excuse.
Hey, Malek,
This is "Uncle" nick (the one who helped bring the UMGAWAH to
Singapore 8-) )
The guy is asking for some help in forwarding postings...
Be a bit helpful lah.........
Then I will forward some good jokes via e-mail if I come across any.
BTW Which do you choose UMGAWAH or DEATH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wing Seng Vincent
Melek nar Ragitagha <red...@singnet.com.sg> wrote:
>You are a moron.
>
>ARIS and I believe the entire world wouldn't care even if you buy a second
>hand 286 in place of a 486 if you post it in scs.
>
>Send your complaints where it belonged.. ARIS COMPUTER. Period.
>
>Understand, you gooniang??
So what? If he wants to post it here he can post it.....I for one am not
annoyed cos i have the option of reading it or skipping it
Roger Soh Eng Khiong
If you feel so cheated why don't you complain to CASE and not to use my email
address. If you want to send mail like this you must have the courage to
include your name.
You are a coward!!! Do you know? I have send a complain to Singnet regarding
this.
Below is the article written by an unknown person. And I think it may be the
one using a modification of my email address. He/she modify it into
Ja...@rogersoh.singnet.com.sg.
In Article<3114db50...@news.singnet.com.sg>, write:
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From: :-)@singnet.com.sg
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Subject: Re: BEWARE of ARIS SINGAPORE: they're a BUNCH OF THIEVES!
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On Sun, 04 Feb 1996 15:21:04 GMT, red...@singnet.com.sg (Melek nar
Ragitagha) wrote:
>Jasen and James... one and the same??
>
>Hiding your userid will not help.
>
>Your vendetta against Aris is not interesting..
>
Roger Soh Eng Khiong
Esp. to Singnet administration.
I suspect someone is sending e-mail using a modification of my email address.
Below is one of the message being sent by a person using
"Ja...@rogersoh.singnet.com.sg". Where my address is roge...@singnet.com.sg.
I hope Singnet could take action against this person who use other's e-mail
address. If necessary I could write and offical complain.
In Article<4f28ic$i...@lantana.singnet.com.sg>, <Ja...@rogersoh.singnet.com.sg>
write:
Path: lantana.singnet.com.sg!usenet
From: Jasen
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Subject: Re: BEWARE of ARIS SINGAPORE: they're a BUNCH OF THIEVES!
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SEE THREAD "Poor Quality Computers" in soc.culture.singapore
rig...@singnet.com.sg (Jean-Michel GUITER) wrote:
I have bought a JAZZ JAKARTA MPEG Video card (772.50s$) from a shop in Funan
Centre in Singapore (ARIS Microsystems Pte Ltd) and every attempt to make it
work failed: I took it back to the shop (wasting 5 long hours) they even sent
a technician to my place, but with no success. And now (6 weeks later) they
refuse to refund me, because, according to them, the card was in perfect
working order!
In spite of all they say, their card is NOT FULLY IBM-PC COMPATIBLE, and they
didn't have a proper Windows 95 driver for it. So, INNOCENT CUSTOMER BEWARE:
don't buy anything from ARIS unless you are prepared to lose your money if it
doesn't work!
My views,
Jasen
Roger Soh Eng Khiong
Will the fucker mother father son use your fucking name given by your parent
and done use other people email name.
See you in hell......
From the Prince of Darkness...
Mathias Koerber
Roger Soh Eng Khiong (roge...@merlion.singnet.com.sg) wrote:
:
: Will the fucker mother father son use your fucking name given by your parent
: and done use other people email name.
:
: See you in hell......
Oh, you're going there yourself? I call that being realistic :-)
:
: From the Prince of Darkness...
Oh nice, a flamewar, and so articulate and justified !!! NOT !
Actually Mr Soh, the problem seems to be with *your* newsreader, as the
original article as seen from here does not have the wrong address. The
address only appears in the attribution line added by *your
newsreader*. There is no mentioning of your name in the rest of the
headers. (If you want to verify that I suggest you telnet into
merlion and use tin to read the article by Jasen again).
It seems that either
- your setup of your newsreader is wrong
- your newsreader is buggy, appending your name and domain in
the attribution..
I think you should apologize to Jasen, as he has done nothing wrong,
so it was very ungraceful of you to assume he s doing something rong.
** "Never ascribe to malice that which can be adequately be explained by
** stupidity" (or buggy or misconfigured software)..
If you want to blame someone, and you are sure that it's not a
misconfiguration by you, go and blame the manufacturer of your
software. But be a bit nicer this time
Have a nice day...
Mathias
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Lorna Leong
Hi Roger,
:
: Esp. to Singnet administration.
:
: I suspect someone is sending e-mail using a modification of my email address.
: Below is one of the message being sent by a person using
: "Ja...@rogersoh.singnet.com.sg". Where my address is
: roge...@singnet.com.sg. :
: I hope Singnet could take action against this person who use other's e-mail
: address. If necessary I could write and offical complain.
:
:
You are mistaken. No one else has used your email address to send the
article below.
Let me explain.
If you look at the article below, you'll notice that the "From" field
says only "Jasen". This is the actual address that the sender "Jasen"
used when he posted his original article.
The newsreader you are using (Chameleon), tries to be "smart" each time
it receives a news posting which doesn't have a complete email address in
the header. What I mean by an incomplete email address is something like
"rogersoh". The complete email address would be "roge...@singnet.com.sg".
When your newsreader receives such an article, it will append your own
address to it as the domain name, thereby making the article, AS YOU
WOULD VIEW IT FROM YOUR PC, appear to be from <Ja...@rogersoh.singnet.com.sg>
If I were to read this same article from Jasen using a similar
newsreader on my PC, the article would appear to be from
<Ja...@lorna.singnet.com.sg>
Get it?
For the rest of you reading this who are also using Chameleon's
newsreader, please take note of this apparent bug in the software.
If you require further assistance, please email postm...@singnet.com.sg
Thank you,
Lorna
SingNet Postmaster
Walter Loo
learn not to unlean what they learnt throughout their lives. That is, be
gracious. Writing phrases and words that are vulgar will only stirr up
hot-belly reactions.
I hope we will not make this forum a crude one. Be nice. Be forceful. Be
pointed. Be fierce. Be insistent for an answer - but try not to start a
'loud' war.
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Edison Too
>I suspect someone is sending e-mail using a modification of my email address.
> Below is one of the message being sent by a person using
>"Ja...@rogersoh.singnet.com.sg". Where my address is roge...@singnet.com.sg.
>In Article<4f28ic$i...@lantana.singnet.com.sg>, <Ja...@rogersoh.singnet.com.sg>
I think it might be some software problem somewhere because this what
I found in your posting:
> Message-ID: <NEWTNews.8236857...@rogersoh.singnet.com.sg>
Notice the @rogersoh part. And this is also found in your other
postings in this thread.
Arthur
>
> Will the @#$!@$ mother father son use your %$&*@#$ fucking name given by
>
> See you in hell......
>
Ps: The above have been censor for (not so) universal viewing.
I've been following this thread since the start, and I've noticed the tension
rising. Must this thread degenerate into such vulgarities.
I sincerly hope that all concerned will keep a ice cool head (Will they
enter coma).
Keep smiling and you will have more winkle.
8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)
8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)
8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)8-)
CybeRioN
>For the rest of you reading this who are also using Chameleon's
>newsreader, please take note of this apparent bug in the software.
Thanks for enlightening us......
Anyway, I don't use Chameleon's News Reader. The email program is
excellent though.
For newsgroups, I prefer to use Free Agent....!
Regards.
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Melek nar Ragitagha
From: tann...@po.pacific.net.sg (Nicholas Tann)
Subject: Re: BEWARE of ARIS SINGAPORE: they're a BUNCH OF THIEVES!
>The guy is asking for some help in forwarding postings...
>Be a bit helpful lah.........
He is asking for help to dump more whinings in SCS.
Please.. have mercy.. my killfile is beyond manageable..
>Then I will forward some good jokes via e-mail if I come across any.
Sure!!
>BTW Which do you choose UMGAWAH or DEATH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I umgawah you to death. * puke *
Completely baffled,
Melek nar Ragitagha
use...@murdoch.acc.virginia.edu
>This is the 3rd time I am saying this in scs....... "Buy a Toshiba
>Notebook"
>This will solve all your problems.
><g> <g>
Experience with Toshiba Laptops has prompted me to wear garlic, Holy
water, and silver, and carry crosses, when I come near them. As a
HUGE fan of PC's, I say I'd rather own a Mac.
Siau Chow Weng'leonard
On Sun, 4 Feb 1996 James@.MISSING-HOST-NAME. wrote:
> rig...@singnet.com.sg (Jean-Michel GUITER) wrote:
>
> >I have bought a JAZZ JAKARTA MPEG Video card (772.50s$) from a shop in Funan
> >Centre in Singapore (ARIS Microsystems Pte Ltd) and every attempt to make it
> >work failed: I took it back to the shop (wasting 5 long hours) they even sent
> >a technician to my place, but with no success. And now (6 weeks later) they
> >refuse to refund me, because, according to them, the card was in perfect
> >working order!
> >In spite of all they say, their card is NOT FULLY IBM-PC COMPATIBLE, and they
> >didn't have a proper Windows 95 driver for it. So, INNOCENT CUSTOMER BEWARE:
> >don't buy anything from ARIS unless you are prepared to lose your money if it
> >doesn't work!
>
> See "Poor Quality Computers" thread in soc.culture.singapore.
>
> You haven't experienced the worst until you've tried an Aris
> Microcomputer PC. In my experience, that is the worst, absolutely the
> poorest made PC in the world. Granted they purchase brand-name
> components but they're not tested for compatibility! I bought one 2
> years back. Before 6 months went by, all sorts of gremlins went to
> work - sudden crashes, sudden re-boots, ports quitting on you without
> rhyme or reason.
> I must have contacted them a dozen times. Each time, some poor
> technician comes around, fiddles around trying to fix an essentially
> irreparable computer, at his wits' end. After numerous calls for a
> resolution, I gave up. In the end, I decided that that, in order to
> prevent high blood pressure and homicidal urges, I'd better get rid of
> it. Bought motherboard, chip, etc., separately and installed
> everything inside the Aris case and my newly upgraded computer works
> fine! Cost me an additional two grand but it's worth it just to get
> the bad taste of the @#$*&%$*& out of my mouth. I just hope they
> haven't cheated too many students (or people with limited budgets) out
> of their hard-earned savings. Somebody should do something about large
> corporates who bully individual consumers - they ignore you knowing
> fully well that one person cannot make a difference.
> God save the world if they manage to get a public listing (and
> horrors, distribute that poor excuse of a computer widely)! : (
>
>
>
>
Hey buddy i sympathize with you......i always 'tot' that Aris was some
hot shot pc with all the cool adverts....luckily you pointed out to the
Public all that was essentially bull crap!!!Yeah man good on!!