Bonnie and Clyde Return Stateside
Bonnie M. Voigtlander
We are home safe and sound!!!
All went well except for the already-reported flat tire, followed
by a night of stomach virus for Clyde.
Didn't see the Aurora but did see a perfect double rainbow over Lake
Windemere. It was awesome. The bow was more than 180 degrees as it
descended into the water!
Stayed in Nairn, Scotland in a room with a view straight out to the
North Sea and Bergen! I waved hello!! Did you see me?
Glad to me home. The second load of wash is already in. A multi-part
WHTM will be along eventually!
Love to everybody! Have you been fighting?
bonniev
--
--bonniev <ao...@yfn.ysu.edu>
Brad Grissom
>Love to everybody! Have you been fighting?
> bonniev
Actually, things have been quite copacetic. Which is not to say
that we don't welcome your soothing, calming presence again. Thanks
for the postcards!
Did you find that the Scots are a strange people?
brad
Espen S. Ore
>Stayed in Nairn, Scotland in a room with a view straight out to the
>North Sea and Bergen! I waved hello!! Did you see me?
Must have been the day I was in Oslo.
espen
Anne Harwell
> Graham and Verdant doesn't surprise me much. How does Anne feel?
Why dontcha come give me a big squeeze and judge for yourself?
-abh
Natalie Maynor
> paperback? They were selling it in all the airports and reviewing it
Am holding out for the paperback.
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
Bonnie M. Voigtlander
Paul Kuritz
> We flew directly over Mount Desert Island yesterday. I could see Mt.
> Cadillac, the Porcupine Islands, could almost pick out our new house
> in Bar Harbor. Have three weeks of mail but no brochure from Mount Desert
> Reality like Paul promised! ;-(
>
>
> bonniev -- four loads of wash done, completely unpacked, cats duly
> pampered, Tai Chi class attended, and back on the net!
>
>
>
>
> --
> --bonniev <ao...@yfn.ysu.edu>
>
While you were away, i called her again, gave your address again, and
received an assurance again. Time for another realtor.
one pissed p
Anne Harwell
>Ooooh! Tempting! Has it cooled off in Texas yet?
Norther predicted for later this week. Highs of only 82 on Thursday.
And there's always a small chance Opal will come in here.
-abh
Natalie Maynor
If you invite her to Texas, tell her to make her way very carefully
around Louisiana -- preferably a wide loop way out in the water, nowhere
near south La.
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
Clyde W Voigtlander
>
> Actually, things have been quite copacetic. Which is not to say
> that we don't welcome your soothing, calming presence again. Thanks
> for the postcards!
>
> Did you find that the Scots are a strange people?
Not at all--perhaps because I have some Scot genes (via the Nicholsons,
who are part of the Clan MacLeod). They seemed open and friendly, and
willing to explain things to an ignorant Yank. The gentleman who took
away our broken car (the wheel thing) in the evening and brought us a
different car sometime in the middle of the night was a prince!
Incidentally, for all their reputation for being "close" and somewhat cold,
Scotland (unlike England) has no law of trespass--one can walk anywhere.
Of course, there are common courtesies, such as not walking across someone's
garden (which includes the lawn); passing through fences at stiles or gates
(and closing the gate behind one; and not disturbing the livestock.
--
C.W. Voigtlander
ai...@freenet.carleton.ca 72143...@compuserve.com
Et clamor meus ad te veniat
Natalie Maynor
> Of course, there are common courtesies, such as not walking across someone's
> garden (which includes the lawn); passing through fences at stiles or gates
Are there laws against walking through other people's yards here?
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
Joseph D. Harwood
>
>Are there laws against walking through other people's yards here?
> --Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
>
Karen Kay
> Yes. Hence signs like "Survivors will be prosecuted." jdh
It's statements like this that lead us to stereotype Texans. I've
never in my life seen a sign like that!
Karen
kar...@netcom.com
Natalie Maynor
> >
Are the signs necessary? If I don't have such a sign, can I make a
citizen's arrest the next time somebody walks across my yard? What
about sidewalks? Can I have the Mormons arrested when they walk up
my sidewalk?
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
Bonnie M. Voigtlander
>Joseph D. Harwood said:
>> Yes. Hence signs like "Survivors will be prosecuted." jdh
>
>never in my life seen a sign like that!
>
>Karen
In your Midwestern days, do you remember people "posting' their land
so no one could go deer hunting on it? That also proves the law
of trespass exists in this country.
--
--bonniev <ao...@yfn.ysu.edu>
Karen Kay
> >Joseph D. Harwood said:
> >> Yes. Hence signs like "Survivors will be prosecuted." jdh
> >
> >It's statements like this that lead us to stereotype Texans. I've
> >never in my life seen a sign like that!
>
> so no one could go deer hunting on it? That also proves the law
> of trespass exists in this country.
I know the law of trespass exists, Bonnie. I know people who post
their land. But the signs don't say "Survivors will be prosecuted"!
Karen
kar...@netcom.com
Joseph D. Harwood
>
>Are the signs necessary?
Not in Texas. All that's necessary is some line of demarcation, such
as a fence--even a downed one.
If I don't have such a sign, can I make a
>citizen's arrest the next time somebody walks across my yard?
Yes, if you're willing to take the responsibility of holding someone
until the gendarmes arrive. Generally, citizen's arrests are about as
effective as Gomer <arresting> Barney. However, you can call the
police and have the trespasser arrested providing the cops get there
while the trespass is still occurring. I once defended two kids who,
wandering along a creek while telling each other how much in love they
were, crossed the downed fence of a crochety old woman. She called the
game warden, who came and arrested the miscreants. It didn't appear to
be a big deal to me, but the count judge and sheriff, whom I happened
to know, told me the area was covered with Indian artifacts and the
landowners were very sensitive about trespassers. Cost the kids $400
apiece.
>What>about sidewalks? Can I have the Mormons arrested when they walk
up
>my sidewalk?
> --Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
>
No. Sidewalks are public ways. jdh, who learned as a small child not
to cross other people's fences. Them damn bulls are fast!
Anne Harwell
> > No. Sidewalks are public ways. jdh, who learned as a small child not
>
> What if I had my sidewalk pulled up and replaced with stepping stones?
If they truly are public ways, then you couldn't "pull up" the sidewalks.
However, I imagine that replacing a sidewalk with stepping stones would be
in violation of the Americans with Disabilities Act unless some equivalent
access were also provided to supplant the stepping stones path.
-abh
Rashmi
>
> Ever been outside Haight-Asbury? Your answer confirms the belief held
> by some that the Dust Bowl migration served as a great cleansing agent
> for the southern and mid-western U.S. All the crap went to CA. jdh
Jeez, enough with the California-bashing. Besides,
everyone knows she moved there only three years ago.
-rashmi
Richard Scheidt
>Depends on the state, but even if there aren't laws, in the South, if you
>do that, someone will unlimber his/her Smith & Wesson and blow you away.
That's right, because we're all stupid fucking rednecks.
Richard
RJ...@JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU
Armadillos always give birth to identical quadruplets.
Dan Lester
>Joseph D. Harwood said:
>> Yes. Hence signs like "Survivors will be prosecuted." jdh
>It's statements like this that lead us to stereotype Texans. I've
>never in my life seen a sign like that!
I have ... in CO, in CA, in ID. Maybe elsewhere.
Often goes with signs like "Security provided by Smith & Wesson"
or "when guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"
cyclops
Joseph D. Harwood
>What if I had my sidewalk pulled up and replaced with stepping stones?
You might get a large bill from the city for replacing the sidewalk.
>Would people be safe as long as they kept feet on the stones but at
risk
>if a foot hung off and touched grass? What about driveways?
Generally, driveways and sidewalks up to the building are considered as
granting permission for their use for entering the premises. That is
why the owner/occupant is responsible for maintaing them to protect the
safety and well-being of invitees who use them.
Is there a
>difference between paved and gravel?
Nope.
And what about a dirt or gravel
>sidewalk? And doesn't the city own a certain number of feet near the
>street?
> --Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
>
It depends. In many older towns, the property line extends to the
center of the street, with the city having an easement over that
portion within the street. In other cases, the property line ends at
the street edge and the city actually owns the street. Sidewalks are
generally easements in smaller communities, but city-owned in larger
cities. And, of course, there are many variations on these themes.
jdh
Karen Kay
: Glad you mentioned the foreign travel. We'd forgotten.
I didn't mention foreign travel. I mentioned places I'd lived.
Karen
kar...@netcom.com
Joseph D. Harwood
>When I was in elementary school, we (children in my neighborhood)
figured
>out an excellent route when walking home from school. It was all
through
>yards. I don't remember gun fire. People frequently walk though my
front
>yard. I guess they know that I don't have a gun.
> --Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
>
Most people don't shoot at children--bad form, you know. However, they
do make sporting targets. jdh, who's still trying to figure out how to
mount one.
Joseph D. Harwood
>
>Jeez, enough with the California-bashing. Besides,
>everyone knows she moved there only three years ago.
>
>-rashmi
>
crack until Karen bashed TEXUS. You know me. I'm nice. I don't pick
on the less fortunate. Why don't you come to NO and I'll buy you a
Hurricane. jdh
Dan Lester
>Glad you mentioned the foreign travel. We'd forgotten.
>
cyclops
Dan Lester
>> by some that the Dust Bowl migration served as a great cleansing agent
>> for the southern and mid-western U.S. All the crap went to CA. jdh
>
>everyone knows she moved there only three years ago.
>
cyclops
Joseph D. Harwood
>My family were not Dust Bowl migrants, Joe. And I've lived in 7
>different states and two countries. I've driven across the U.S. three
>times. Take your hostility and your provincialism and stick it where
>it's useful.
>
>Karen
> kar...@netcom.com
>
Didn't learn much, did you. I'm not hostile or provincial. I just
can't stand insular ignorance or people so self-absorbed they can't
recognize humor when it hits them in the face. Grow up. jdh
Bookrat
>> Yes. Hence signs like "Survivors will be prosecuted." jdh
>
>It's statements like this that lead us to stereotype Texans. I've
>never in my life seen a sign like that!
Karen, that is no more stereotypical of Texas than it is stereotypical of
California, or anywhere else. If you haven't seen a sign like that, it's
because you haven't been paying attention.
Ken Miller
Department of Geosemiotics
boo...@bookrat.com
Bookrat
>for the southern and mid-western U.S. All the crap went to CA. jdh
I think I'm going to send some verbally abusive private email to jdh...
Ken Miller
Department of Phatiquette
Paul Stone School of Charm
boo...@bookrat.com
Karen Kay
> Karen, that is no more stereotypical of Texas than it is stereotypical of
> California, or anywhere else. If you haven't seen a sign like that, it's
> because you haven't been paying attention.
Believe me, I woulda noticed.
You know, I debated putting a smiley in my statement, but I decided
not to because I thought Joe could take a ribbing. Guess I was wrong.
Karen
kar...@netcom.com
Ben Ostrowsky
>Most people don't shoot at children--bad form, you know. However, they
>do make sporting targets. jdh, who's still trying to figure out how to
>mount one.
Become a Scoutmaster or a priest.
Ben
(tee hee -- that was too good to pass up!)
--
___ Ben Ostrowsky: Paid to be helpful. Language buff. ___
|X| Future librarian. Vegetarian pacifist geek. |X|
~~~ "Librarians are cultural heroes." -- stj...@well.com ~~~
Karen Kay
> I just
> can't stand insular ignorance or people so self-absorbed they can't
> recognize humor when it hits them in the face.
Ditto, Joe. Ditto.
Karen
kar...@netcom.com
Bonnie M. Voigtlander
>BTW, there is an effort underway to make private lands truly private in
>Britain. No more free walks and hillclimbs.
>
>-abh
Right! And the Rambling (hiking) Associations are really fighting it.
Both three years ago and this time while we were in the Lake District
there were organized rambles to mark territory and claim rights!
--
--bonniev <ao...@yfn.ysu.edu>
Joseph D. Harwood
>
>I think I'm going to send some verbally abusive private email to
jdh...
>
>Ken Miller
>Department of Phatiquette
>Paul Stone School of Charm
>boo...@bookrat.com
>
Bonnie M. Voigtlander
>
>cyclops
Because California bashing is way too easy??
--
--bonniev <ao...@yfn.ysu.edu>
Nancy Harwood
> Nancy Harwood said:
> > What makes you think signs like that exist only in Texas?
>
> They don't have to exist only in Texas to be stereotypical of Texas.
> Most things that are stereotypical of a place exist elsewhere in the
> Universe. For example, muffalettas are stereotypical New Orleans food,
> but you can buy the ingredients here.
>
I'm curious to know just how much time you have actually spent in Texas.
Why are you so sure that we fit your stereotypes?
ndh
Bookrat
>
>> What makes you think signs like that exist only in Texas?
>
>of stereotypical Californians have rubbed off on her.
>
>-abh
I think I'm going to send some verbally abusive email to abh, too...
Ken Miller
Department of Stereotypology
boo...@bookrat.com
Karen Kay
> Rash, m'love, I never mentioned the place on the other side of the
> crack until Karen bashed TEXUS.
Who bashed? I didn't bash.
Karen
kar...@netcom.com
Peter
>
> Most people don't shoot at children--bad form, you know. However,
> they do make sporting targets. jdh, who's still trying to figure
> out how to mount one.
>
Reminds me of one of my favourite movie lines from Full Metal Jacket.
Setup:
US Army Helicopter flying over Vietnam during the war. The machine
gunner is indiscriminately firing on the Vietnamese citizens below.
Lead Character to Machine Gunner: "How can you shoot women and
children?!"
Machine Gunner: "It's easy -- you just don't lead them as much".
Cheers,
Peter
"It's a good idea to stand at a safe distance from any pedestal" - T. Samant
Claude Martin Rosen
Anne Harwell (b...@NETCOM.COM) wrote:
> Glad you mentioned the foreign travel. We'd forgotten.
And so much for the stereotypical notion that much travel broadens the mind.
Nipper
Joseph D. Harwood
>
>You know, I debated putting a smiley in my statement, but I decided
>not to because I thought Joe could take a ribbing. Guess I was wrong.
>
>Karen
> kar...@netcom.com
>
Rashmi
>
> Rash, m'love, I never mentioned the place on the other side of the
> on the less fortunate. Why don't you come to NO and I'll buy you a
> Hurricane. jdh
I thought she was making a flippant remark in response to
yours.
As for the Hurricane no, I can't make it to NOLA this weekend
but my brother is threatening to disown me if I don't go to
Houston for Christmas break. Raincheck?
-rashmi
Nancy Harwood
> C.W. Voigtlander
> >Depends on the state, but even if there aren't laws, in the South, if you
> >do that, someone will unlimber his/her Smith & Wesson and blow you away.
>
> That's right, because we're all stupid fucking rednecks.
>
Ah, you caught that, too, Richard. :-)
ndh (who hasn't shot at a single soul all week...I'm falling behind on my
quota)
Claude Martin Rosen
Joseph D. Harwood (jd...@IX.NETCOM.COM) wrote:
> Most people don't shoot at children--bad form, you know. However, they
> do make sporting targets. jdh, who's still trying to figure out how to
> mount one.
I have the distinct impression that in some quarters mounting children
is considered a more serious transgression than shooting them.
Nipper
Claude Martin Rosen
Richard Scheidt (RJ...@JAZZ.UCC.UNO.EDU) wrote:
> That's right, because we're all stupid fucking rednecks.
Hmm. Who said you wre all rednecks?
Nipper
Claude Martin Rosen
Espen S. Ore (Espe...@HD.UIB.NO) wrote:
> (Yes, Claude Martin, I can quote the law for you if you don't believe it)
No thanks. But I will remember to post you the bibliographic
information on Elvis in Latin within the next 24 hours. It had quite
slipped my mind.
Nipper
Anne Harwell
> Is that part of the "everybody has been to Europe <or Japan>" theory?
It's the "extra points" for mentioning eleet locations theory. C'mon,
people, how many points for Tijuana?
-abh
Joseph D. Harwood
>
>As for the Hurricane no, I can't make it to NOLA this weekend
>but my brother is threatening to disown me if I don't go to
>Houston for Christmas break. Raincheck?
>
>-rashmi
>
Anne Harwell
> -abh bashes CA on a weekly basis. What goes around, comes around.
Is it bashing if it's true? Besides, I've cut back to once every ten days.
-abh
Anne Harwell
> I think I'm going to send some verbally abusive email to abh, too...
OK, but don't say anything you wouldn't want reposted to a large group of
people.
-abh
Ben Ostrowsky
>I have the distinct impression that in some quarters mounting children
>is considered a more serious transgression than shooting them.
Indeed. To wit, hindquarters.
Tony Harminc
>>What>about sidewalks? Can I have the Mormons arrested when they walk
>up my sidewalk?
>> --Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
>>
>No. Sidewalks are public ways. jdh, who learned as a small child not
>to cross other people's fences. Them damn bulls are fast!
In Ontario the Trespass to Property Act has an explicit provision that
permits, in the absence of signs to the contrary, the approach to the
front door of a dwelling house for the purpose of communication with the
occupant(s) thereof.
I made reference to this provision in my submission on Caller*ID to
the telephone regulators, back in 1989, since a lot of people like
to use various bizarre "caller at the door" analogies ("if I ring your
doorbell and put my finger over the door viewer...").
The Act was passed only in 1980; before that you had to prove damages
from a trespass.
Tony H.
Marcia Franzen
>cloudberries in the North), pick mushrooms, and to a certain degree hunt on
>private property is very important. There are restrictions of course, in
>the growing season you cannot walk around in fields, and you generally have
>to stay out of gardens, backyards etc.
>
>espen
Same in Sweden -allemansr{tten, except we are allowed to pick
cloudberries up north. People up there bitch all the time about the
Norwegians sneaking across the border to steal our valuable
cloudberries.
Marcia
Karen Kay
> I'm curious to know just how much time you have actually spent in Texas.
A few days. But hey, Anne hasn't spent any great length of time in CA
either, and that doesn't stop her from having stereotypes up the wazoo.
Karen
kar...@netcom.com
Karen Kay
> On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Dan Lester wrote:
> > Is that part of the "everybody has been to Europe <or Japan>" theory?
>
> It's the "extra points" for mentioning eleet locations theory.
I didn't mention any specific location.
> C'mon, people, how many points for Tijuana?
I *must* get extra for going w/ Frank!
Karen
kar...@netcom.com
Clyde W Voigtlander
>> Scotland (unlike England) has no law of trespass--one can walk anywhere.
>> Of course, there are common courtesies, such as not walking across someone's
>> garden (which includes the lawn); passing through fences at stiles or gates
>
> Are there laws against walking through other people's yards here?
> --Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
Depends on the state, but even if there aren't laws, in the South, if you
do that, someone will unlimber his/her Smith & Wesson and blow you away.
--
C.W. Voigtlander
ai...@freenet.carleton.ca 72143...@compuserve.com
Et clamor meus ad te veniat
Judith Kocik
Can you explain/define "cloudberries"? They sound fabulous. Would one
eat them or put them under the pillow to dream on? Or lie on one's back
and contemplate them?
--judithk, who has never been anywhere interesting at all.
Karen Kay
> I meant the sidewalk that runs from the street to my door.
Is that a sidewalk? I'm not sure what I would call it. The online OED
says that a sidewalk is parallel to a main street.
Karen
kar...@netcom.com
Doris Smith
> defendable as such. This fits with that image.
>
> Karen
Is that not so in most places - if not all places? Some people are more
tolerant than others, and most people don't aim a gun at folks who
trespass. *However,* I suspect that you'd be upset if you owned a home
with 'grounds' - a yard, lawn, whatever - and had fenced your property so
that your own animals would stay in and others' animals would stay out
(like cows, horses, dogs, and deer, to mention only a few) and came home
from a weekend out of town to discover that the next door neighbors had
torn an eight foot section of your board fence down so their
volleyball-playing guests could retrieve their ball when it flew over the
fence more easily than by walking to the road and entering through the
gates. Yes, this did indeed happen. To us. No, no guns were drawn but I
for one was mentally doing all sorts of bodily harm to the jerks. And,
yes, the fence is totally owned and maintained by us.
So, despite not caring too much for the stereotyping that Texans have,
and realizing that most of this thread was intended to be light-natured,
it is important to understand that 'trespassing' can take more serious
forms than simply taking a short cut through someone's yard.
doris
daughter of a cowboy
Karen Kay
> it is important to understand that 'trespassing' can take more serious
> forms than simply taking a short cut through someone's yard.
That wasn't just trespassing, that was destruction of property. And
sucks no matter where you are.
> daughter of a cowboy
Really?! See, you're feeding my stereotypes.:)
Karen
kar...@netcom.com
Joseph D. Harwood
>
>Joseph D. Harwood said:
>> Yes. Hence signs like "Survivors will be prosecuted." jdh
>
>It's statements like this that lead us to stereotype Texans. I've
>never in my life seen a sign like that!
>
>Karen
> kar...@netcom.com
>
Ever been outside Haight-Asbury? Your answer confirms the belief held
by some that the Dust Bowl migration served as a great cleansing agent
for the southern and mid-western U.S. All the crap went to CA. jdh
Doris Smith
>
> Really?! See, you're feeding my stereotypes.:)
>
> Karen
Really. And I'm also the possessor of his saddle, which was made from the
hide of one of his cows and has the brand on it. And of his leggin's. And
I have shot guns, but only at tin cans with my daddy or uncle holding my
hands and aiming for me.
doris
not wanting to destroy a stereotype - hee haw!
Nancy Harwood
> Doris Smith said:
> > daughter of a cowboy
>
> Really?! See, you're feeding my stereotypes.:)
>
Yes, well. :-)
ndh (daughter of a walking postman/railway mail clerk)
(but great-granddaughter of a trail driver)
Karen Kay
> not wanting to destroy a stereotype - hee haw!
I shall think of you as Dale Evans from now on, Doris!:)
Karen
kar...@netcom.com
Karen Kay
> Yes, well. :-)
> ndh (daughter of a walking postman/railway mail clerk)
> (but great-granddaughter of a trail driver)
See. I come from a long line of people who worked in insurance,
teaching, and publishing.
Karen
kar...@netcom.com
Doris Smith
> teaching, and publishing.
>
> Karen
We <could> start a side-thread of genealogy. :-) Nancy and I have been
talking off-line about our searches-in-progress of our roots. ;-)
doris
Karen Kay
> What makes you think signs like that exist only in Texas?
They don't have to exist only in Texas to be stereotypical of Texas.
Most things that are stereotypical of a place exist elsewhere in the
Universe. For example, muffalettas are stereotypical New Orleans food,
but you can buy the ingredients here.
Karen
kar...@netcom.com
Nancy Harwood
> Nancy Harwood said:
> > Yes, well. :-)
> > ndh (daughter of a walking postman/railway mail clerk)
> > (but great-granddaughter of a trail driver)
>
> See. I come from a long line of people who worked in insurance,
> teaching, and publishing.
>
My granddaddy was a teacher, as were three of my aunts and one of my uncles.
ndh (with another great-grandfather who, according to the family history
compiled by the relatives in Alabama "engaged in the mercantile"...I found
out that meant he had a general store)
Joseph D. Harwood
>>
>I know the law of trespass exists, Bonnie. I know people who post
>their land. But the signs don't say "Survivors will be prosecuted"!
>
>Karen
> kar...@netcom.com
>
These are signs sold in Stuckeys to Californians travelling out of
La-La land. Sheesh. Some people have no sense of humor. jdh
Nancy Harwood
> Joseph D. Harwood said:
> > Yes. Hence signs like "Survivors will be prosecuted." jdh
>
> It's statements like this that lead us to stereotype Texans. I've
> never in my life seen a sign like that!
>
What makes you think signs like that exist only in Texas?
ndh
Nancy Harwood
> > See. I come from a long line of people who worked in insurance,
> > teaching, and publishing.
> >
> > Karen
>
> We <could> start a side-thread of genealogy. :-) Nancy and I have been
> talking off-line about our searches-in-progress of our roots. ;-)
> doris
>
Well, at least you have found another Williams. I am still looking for
my Thompsons and Joneses.
ndh (who *does* have her Davises back to 15-something in Wales, thanks to
a kind person on the Internet)
Doris Smith
> compiled by the relatives in Alabama "engaged in the mercantile"...I found
> out that meant he had a general store)
>
daddy's cowboying days were over he became the proprietor of a grocery
store. And when he sold the grocery store and 'retired' he became the
bookkeeper in the county courthouse - a job he kept until he was in his
eighties. He was climbing trees in his late seventies (hanging a rope
swing for his grandchildren), and chopping down cedar trees helping to
clear my brother's hill country lot in his eighties.
And I'm trying to figure out why I didn't get the energy of either of my
parents. ;-)
doris
Tushar Samant
>See. I come from a long line of people who worked in insurance,
>teaching, and publishing.
Say Myles, my dear anciano, do you think I am demanding something
as bad as a stolen PDP? I wonder what could "A stolen PDP" anagram
to?
tushar
JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR?-WILLIAMS
Clydeside...
JMW
Anne Harwell
> Universe. For example, muffalettas are stereotypical New Orleans food,
> but you can buy the ingredients here.
And you can find them in several local restaurants in south Texas.
-abh
Natalie Maynor
>
Is this stereotype widely known? I would never have associated such
a sign with Texas. Maybe this is because I haven't spent much time
in Texas. I've never seen such a sign, Texas or elsewhere. It doesn't
fit my image of Texas at all.
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
Anne Harwell
> My family were not Dust Bowl migrants, Joe. And I've lived in 7
> different states and two countries. I've driven across the U.S. three
> times.
Glad you mentioned the foreign travel. We'd forgotten.
-abh
Natalie Maynor
What if I had my sidewalk pulled up and replaced with stepping stones?
Would people be safe as long as they kept feet on the stones but at risk
if a foot hung off and touched grass? What about driveways? Is there a
difference between paved and gravel? And what about a dirt or gravel
sidewalk? And doesn't the city own a certain number of feet near the
street?
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
Karen Kay
> Ever been outside Haight-Asbury?
I've never been to Haight-Ashbury.
> Your answer confirms the belief held by some that the Dust Bowl
> migration served as a great cleansing agent for the southern and
> mid-western U.S. All the crap went to CA.
My family were not Dust Bowl migrants, Joe. And I've lived in 7
different states and two countries. I've driven across the U.S. three
times. Take your hostility and your provincialism and stick it where
it's useful.
Karen
kar...@netcom.com
Natalie Maynor
> do that, someone will unlimber his/her Smith & Wesson and blow you away.
When I was in elementary school, we (children in my neighborhood) figured
out an excellent route when walking home from school. It was all through
yards. I don't remember gun fire. People frequently walk though my front
yard. I guess they know that I don't have a gun.
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
Anne Harwell
> What makes you think signs like that exist only in Texas?
Because she's been living in California long enough that the mannerisms
of stereotypical Californians have rubbed off on her.
-abh
Karen Kay
: > > What makes you think signs like that exist only in Texas?
: Is this stereotype widely known? I would never have associated such
: a sign with Texas. Maybe this is because I haven't spent much time
: in Texas. I've never seen such a sign, Texas or elsewhere. It doesn't
: fit my image of Texas at all.
My image of Texas is as a place where a man's land is his castle, and
defendable as such. This fits with that image.
Karen
kar...@netcom.com
(After all, I know all about Texas; I watch "Walker, Texas Ranger".:) )
Bookrat
>
>-abh
Anne, you've occasionally dropped hints about eventually retiring to Napa
or Sonoma. My advice is, forget it. Those places are teeming with those
silly Californians you're always waggling your head over.
Try Bakersfield or San Bernardino instead. The residents thereof are an
entirely different sort of Californian, and you'd feel right at home.
Ken Miller
Department of Theoretical Practicalities
Sannuhzay Cold Elision Facility
boo...@bookrat.com
Judith Kocik
> On Wed, 4 Oct 1995, Karen Kay wrote:
>
> > Nancy Harwood said:
> > > Yes, well. :-)
> > > ndh (daughter of a walking postman/railway mail clerk)
> > > (but great-granddaughter of a trail driver)
> >
> > See. I come from a long line of people who worked in insurance,
> > teaching, and publishing.
> >
> My granddaddy was a teacher, as were three of my aunts and one of my uncles.
> ndh (with another great-grandfather who, according to the family history
> compiled by the relatives in Alabama "engaged in the mercantile"...I found
> out that meant he had a general store)
>
Why, Ms. Nancy, darlin', I personally have benefited from your long
family involvement in teachin', but I <nevah> woulda *dreamed* you'd
"engaged in the mercantile"!
--Ya don't say! --judithk ;-)
Bookrat
>as bad as a stolen PDP? I wonder what could "A stolen PDP" anagram
>to?
>
>tushar
It could, and does, anagram to "End past lop", a sentiment FS would
heartily agree to. Or "Pop tan sled". Or, quite aptly, "Stop plead'n".
Ken Miller
Department of Anagramology
boo...@bookrat.com
Espen S. Ore
>Can you explain/define "cloudberries"? They sound fabulous. Would one
>eat them or put them under the pillow to dream on? Or lie on one's back
>and contemplate them?
Rubus chamaemorus, Norwegian "Molte" or "Multe". They grow mostly in bogs,
and although you can find them inside Oslo and Bergen they are typically
found in the mountains and in the North. They contain quite a lot of
Vitamin C, and they keep well so they were important in the winter back
when. In Norway it is a crime to pick them before they are ripe. A Bergen
newspaper had a Saturday feature story on where one can find them in
Bergen. They showed a photo of a bucket full of berries. Most of the
berries were obviously not ripe so this led to a lot of letters to the
editor etc.
The Fins make a liqeur, Lakka, from the berries.
espen
Natalie Maynor
Feel free to recycle the flashing finger. I got the finger itself from
somewhere else, I think (this was several years ago), and decided to add
the flashing. It should flash properly on abh's screen since her system
is <logical>.
I'm happy to report, btw, that our <logical> system got over its tantrum
last night and appears to be fine today. I had a feeling that would be
the case since I did a bit of fingering (not the kind referred to above)
from Bernard's account after Ra and Isis went belly up last night and saw
that FWP's colleague who lives in Columbus was online. Apparently the
problems were reported to the machine room (which is staffed 24 hours a
day, thank goodness) and they called him to come to the rescue.
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)
Paul BarfootPaul Barfoot
> and although you can find them inside Oslo and Bergen they are typically
> found in the mountains and in the North. They contain quite a lot of
> Vitamin C, and they keep well so they were important in the winter back
> when. In Norway it is a crime to pick them before they are ripe. A Bergen
> newspaper had a Saturday feature story on where one can find them in
> Bergen. They showed a photo of a bucket full of berries. Most of the
> berries were obviously not ripe so this led to a lot of letters to the
> editor etc.
>
> The Fins make a liqeur, Lakka, from the berries.
>
> espen
I wonder if these are the same kind of berries we ate in Siberia.
They seemed very similar to cranberries. I wish I could remember what
the Russian name for them is.
Br Paul
Bonnie M. Voigtlander
>those bones beginning to feel brittle?
>
>
Osteoporosis is a silent diesease. She wouldn't feel it. Just have to
worry about all that soda that is leeching bone away and not enough
dairy and dark green veggies building it up again.
--
--bonniev <ao...@yfn.ysu.edu>
Bonnie M. Voigtlander
>Clydeside...
>
>JMW
Actually, we were in Clydeside. We were also near StrathClyde were
the non-Olympic rowing events will be held next year.
--
--bonniev <ao...@yfn.ysu.edu>
Clyde W Voigtlander
>
> What if I had my sidewalk pulled up and replaced with stepping stones?
> Would people be safe as long as they kept feet on the stones but at risk
> if a foot hung off and touched grass? What about driveways? Is there a
> difference between paved and gravel? And what about a dirt or gravel
> sidewalk? And doesn't the city own a certain number of feet near the
> street?
Natalie--I didn't realize until now that you were a closet lawyer.
--
C.W. Voigtlander
ai...@freenet.carleton.ca 72143...@compuserve.com
Et clamor meus ad te veniat
Marcia Franzen
>should be written) and we might come to an agreement about the
>cloudberries.
>
>espen
The only reason Sweden hasn't invaded your sorry 'country' is because
you are a NATO member. No one wants to piss of the US. :)
Marcia
Anne Harwell
> This is your second reference to osteoporosis in recent months. Are
> those bones beginning to feel brittle?
It's all these menopausers around here. Keeps me ever mindful of the
frailties of the flesh.
-abh
Joseph D. Harwood
>
>"Joseph D. Harwood" <jd...@IX.NETCOM.COM> wrote:
>>Most people don't shoot at children--bad form, you know. However,
they
>>do make sporting targets. jdh, who's still trying to figure out how
to
>>mount one.
>
>Become a Scoutmaster or a priest.
>
>Ben
>(tee hee -- that was too good to pass up!)
On the wall, Ben, on the wall. I'm torn between a plain head mount and
a full cape mount. They make such small trophies, I believe a full
cape mount will display them to their best advantage. But I must make
a decision--they're taking up too much room in the freezer. jdh
Clyde W Voigtlander
> Aw, I was hoping for something along the lines of Bonnie and Clyde at
> Clydeside...
>
We were "Clydeside," in Glasgow. It was raining. We had a great time,
thanks to our Scottish rowing friend, Claire.
Marcia Franzen
>They seemed very similar to cranberries. I wish I could remember what
>the Russian name for them is.
>
>
>Br Paul
You probably ate lingonberries. They are very similar to cranberries.
Marcia
Joseph D. Harwood
>
>I have the distinct impression that in some quarters mounting children
>is considered a more serious transgression than shooting them.
>
>Nipper
>
But, Nipper, taxidermy is a perfectly honorable calling. And, may I
make a modest proposal? jdh
Nancy Harwood
> > Is that a sidewalk? I'm not sure what I would call it. The online OED
> > says that a sidewalk is parallel to a main street.
>
> The "side" in "sidewalk" supports the idea of parallel to a street, but
> I've never heard the kind I'm talking about (to a door) called anything
> else.
I'd call it a sidewalk, too.
ndh
Ben Ostrowsky
>make a modest proposal? jdh
If you're swift about it, yes.
Ben
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