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Bookrat

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Jun 17, 1994, 10:48:12 PM6/17/94
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One wonders how many <other> white Ford Broncos there are on the freeways
in Los Angeles. I assume their fellow drivers are giving them considerable
berth.

This is truly surreal. The pursuit is being carried live by four broadcast
stations here, two in English and two in Spanish. The slowness of the chase
adds to the peculiarity of the situation. Add to that the number of people
who are lining up on the overpasses to watch the caravan pass by, and the
civilian cars who are driving by and <slowing down> to look inside the
car...truly a strange and yet somehow quintessentially American incident.

Ken Miller
kcmi...@netcom.com

Karen Kay

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Jun 17, 1994, 11:07:27 PM6/17/94
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Bookrat said:
> This is truly surreal. The pursuit is being carried live by four broadcast
> stations here, two in English and two in Spanish.

I changed the channel. I'd rather watch Hulk Hogan than that.

Karen
kar...@netcom.com

Ken Miller

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Jun 17, 1994, 11:25:16 PM6/17/94
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On Fri, 17 Jun 1994, Karen Kay wrote:

> > This is truly surreal. The pursuit is being carried live by four broadcast
> > stations here, two in English and two in Spanish.
>
> I changed the channel. I'd rather watch Hulk Hogan than that.

For those of you in other areas, Karen is referring to a movie, not a WWF
event. HH is purportedly acting in it.

At any rate, it's the communal media event aspect that interests me. A
routine police chase of a murder suspect is being watched by millions of
people as though it were the most important event in the world, and the
media is happy to oblige them and, as is its wont (and don't give me a
hard time about using "media" as a singular noun) it partakes of the
action itself. This is the sort of thing that TV journalism (if that isn't
an oxymoron) does best, which is to say make a spectacle out of ordinary
news.

Then again, I just heard a news reporter use the word "surreal", which
apparently describes the crowd at the scene.

Ken Miller
kcmi...@netcom.com

Karen Kay

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Jun 17, 1994, 11:36:57 PM6/17/94
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Ken Miller said:
> For those of you in other areas, Karen is referring to a movie, not a WWF
> event. HH is purportedly acting in it.

No, no, it's a TV show. Weekly. This is some kind of landmark
year--Chuck Norris and Hulk Hogan each w/ their own TV shows...

Karen
kar...@netcom.com

Emily Horning

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Jun 18, 1994, 12:21:13 AM6/18/94
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Code 4 - he's now in police custody. Besides my surprise at all these
events, particularly the party atmosphere along the freeway and in Brent-
wood, I'm still troubled that I've seen my old neighborhood on national
television a lot lately, what with fires, earthquakes and now this.
Like a bad movie, I can't wait for it to be over.

It's bizarre. To me, anyway.

Emily, waiting for alt.fan.oj to appear on usenet

Bookrat

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Jun 18, 1994, 12:37:22 AM6/18/94
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>It's bizarre. To me, anyway.
>
>Emily, waiting for alt.fan.oj to appear on usenet

By now, some entrepreneur probably has "Free Juice" T-shirts and buttons
rolling off the press.

Damn, I wish I'd thought of it earlier.

Ken Miller
Chief Trendologist
Nerdwear Inc.
kcmi...@netcom.com

Dan Lester

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Jun 18, 1994, 1:59:50 AM6/18/94
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On Fri, 17 Jun 1994 21:37:22 -0700 Bookrat said:
>>Emily, waiting for alt.fan.oj to appear on usenet
>By now, some entrepreneur probably has "Free Juice" T-shirts and buttons
>rolling off the press.
>Damn, I wish I'd thought of it earlier.

Well, there sure were a lot of folks with signs along the freeways.
I'm wondering how the traffic chopper guys in LA reported the tie
ups and closed ramps....

But....would it be alt.fan.oj OR alt.fan.o.j. ???

cyclops

Dan Lester

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Jun 18, 1994, 2:04:55 AM6/18/94
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On Sat, 18 Jun 1994 01:06:52 EST5EDT Gilbert Smith said:
>Univision was announcing in Spanish the surrender of OJ at least four
>or five minutes before any of the Eng Language Networks. I saw it
>myself. Wonder how they got it before NBC,CBS,ABC, who were busy
>talking about how much like a Hollywood movie all this was.

Nope. Did NOT beat CBS. Were second, though. Meanwhile ABC and NBC
were showing videotape replays of other earlier events. And the
dorky ABC guy in the tie who got his plug pulled was still trying to
find his earphone again.

cyclops

Bandwidth Pig

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Jun 18, 1994, 1:12:22 AM6/18/94
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At 8:25 PM 6/17/94 -0700, Ken Miller wrote:

>At any rate, it's the communal media event aspect that interests me. A

My favorite moment: the voice narrating said something to the effect that
if in any way their helicopter was impeding police investigations or
endangering the parties involved, they would stand away. It was by then
after dark and there was hardly any usable video at all.

-abh

Karen Kay

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Jun 18, 1994, 1:30:52 AM6/18/94
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Gilbert Smith said:
> Univision has the best newscasts, the best talkshow host (Cristina),

Is that the blond woman?

Karen
kar...@netcom.com

Karen Kay

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Jun 18, 1994, 1:50:01 AM6/18/94
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Gilbert Smith said:
> That's the one, and she is really great. The guests are always
> fascinating, and she deals with them with a <guante de ante>.

Yes. I used to watch her in L.A. She's the reason I wanted to learn
Spanish.

Karen
kar...@netcom.com

Charles Stanford

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Jun 18, 1994, 1:52:40 AM6/18/94
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On Fri, 17 Jun 1994, Karen Kay wrote:

I think Blondes have more brains.

Karen Kay

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Jun 18, 1994, 1:59:04 AM6/18/94
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Charles Stanford said:
> I think Blondes have more brains.

Let me guess--U R 1???

Karen
kar...@netcom.com

Dr. David Chaos

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Jun 18, 1994, 3:42:01 AM6/18/94
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Ken Miller <kcmi...@NETCOM.COM> writes:

>action itself. This is the sort of thing that TV journalism (if that isn't
>an oxymoron) does best, which is to say make a spectacle out of ordinary
>news.

I often find myself agreeing with you on a variety of issues. However, in this
case I must take issue with your "ordinary news" statement. While a double
murder in California is not news, it certainly becomes so when the prime suspect
is one with the stature of O.J. Simpson. I suspect many people, including
myself, find this situation difficult to reconcile. On one hand, I have no
problem detesting murderers. On the other hand, I find it difficult to dislike
O.J. Simpson as the person he used to represent. I found that as I watched the
events unfold, I was constantly asking myself why I felt sorry for him. It
seems this event caused me, and likely many others, a good bit of confusion at
the dichotomy it presented. That alone would make it "news", at least to us
that might feel this way.

Watching an "American hero" come apart, so rapidly, disturbs many of us. In
the end, if he is found guilty, most people will have adjusted to the facts.
Personally, I would be very surprised if he didn't commit the murders. When
the time comes that he is required to pay for his crimes (again, if he is
convicted) I will be ready to see him punished. At the very least, he is one
very ill human being and no matter what happens, virtually no one will ever
see him as a hero again.

Seeing all this occur, over a five day period, is news indeed.

Dr. David Chaos

Bookrat

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Jun 18, 1994, 2:51:17 AM6/18/94
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Quoth Charles Stanford:

>I think Blondes have more brains.

Okay, who wants to get out the canonical list of blond jokes?

And, bringing up an earlier thread, lets have the original Julie Brown sing
"'Cause I'm a Blond".

Ken Miller
Archivist and Assistant Phonometrographer
The Satie Institute for Phonometrographical Research
kcmi...@netcom.com

Charles Stanford

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Jun 18, 1994, 2:59:35 AM6/18/94
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On Fri, 17 Jun 1994, Karen Kay wrote:

> Charles Stanford said:
> > I think Blondes have more brains.
>

> Let me guess--U R 1???
>
> Karen
> kar...@netcom.com

Yeah, you got me. Then puberty set in. *sigh* Now I'm only blonde
during the summer.

Bandwidth Pig

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Jun 18, 1994, 10:15:37 AM6/18/94
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At 1:20 AM 6/18/94 +0000, Gilbert Smith wrote:

>Univision has the best newscasts, the best talkshow host (Cristina),

>and the worst soaps. Anyone who doesnt agree can stuff an enchilada,

Hey, Giggles, do you watch "Siempre en Domingo?" I do.

-abh

Bandwidth Pig

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Jun 18, 1994, 10:15:54 AM6/18/94
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At 10:50 PM 6/17/94 -0700, Karen Kay wrote:

>Yes. I used to watch her in L.A. She's the reason I wanted to learn
>Spanish.

I wonder if she feels the same way about English and Dolly Parton.

-abh

Brad Grissom

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Jun 18, 1994, 10:49:26 AM6/18/94
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No doubt about it, the best (in a certain sense) coverage was provided
by the Words-L network. I went to bed early and missed the live drama,
but caught up quickly with a 4am immersion in The English Language
Discussion Group. All the immediacy, all the expert opinion, all the
exploration of side issues were there.

brad

Karen Kay

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Jun 18, 1994, 1:48:10 PM6/18/94
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Why? Her hair is straight.

Karen
kar...@netcom.com

Bookrat

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Jun 18, 1994, 5:37:14 PM6/18/94
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Quoth Dr. David Chaos:

>>action itself. This is the sort of thing that TV journalism (if that isn't
>>an oxymoron) does best, which is to say make a spectacle out of ordinary
>>news.
>
>I often find myself agreeing with you on a variety of issues. However, in this
>case I must take issue with your "ordinary news" statement. While a double
>murder in California is not news, it certainly becomes so when the prime
>suspect
>is one with the stature of O.J. Simpson. I suspect many people, including
>myself, find this situation difficult to reconcile. On one hand, I have no
>problem detesting murderers. On the other hand, I find it difficult to dislike
>O.J. Simpson as the person he used to represent. I found that as I watched the
>events unfold, I was constantly asking myself why I felt sorry for him. It
>seems this event caused me, and likely many others, a good bit of confusion at
>the dichotomy it presented. That alone would make it "news", at least to us
>that might feel this way.
>
>Watching an "American hero" come apart, so rapidly, disturbs many of us.

I understand your reaction, and I also understand that so many people share
it that your analysis is essentially correct, that for many across America
this is a case which directly affects them emotionally.

My own response is based on the fact that I have never bought into the
"athlete as hero" mythos. I do not see how the ability to throw a ball
accurately over long distances, to run faster or longer than anyone else,
et cetera, have any bearing on a person's character. These are measures of
one's physical and mental aptitudes, and especially of one's determination
and toughness, but logically there is no reason why a top athlete should
possess more integrity than a top physicist or a top musician or a top
politician. Character is not measured by professional accomplishments, but
by personal ones.

>In
>the end, if he is found guilty, most people will have adjusted to the facts.
>Personally, I would be very surprised if he didn't commit the murders. When
>the time comes that he is required to pay for his crimes (again, if he is
>convicted) I will be ready to see him punished. At the very least, he is one
>very ill human being and no matter what happens, virtually no one will ever
>see him as a hero again.

I agree that this case has the essential element of Classical tragedy,
namely a hero with a tragic flaw which undoes him. A good catharsis is hard
to come by nowadays, and the Simpson case will certainly provide one. But
again, why do we choose the O.J. Simpsons and the Magic Johnsons and their
ilk as our heroes?

Ken Miller
kcmi...@netcom.com

JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS

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Jun 18, 1994, 6:02:35 PM6/18/94
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>again, why do we choose the O.J. Simpsons and the Magic Johnsons and their
>ilk as our heroes?

I have *never* viewed any jock as a hero/idol/role model, and
never understood those who did.
My read on this is a flagrant attempt by Simpson's NEW lawyer to
flagrantly subvert the M'Naughton Rule to spare his {rich} client the
hot squat...

John "If he's black he's an innocent victim of a racist society" W.

Dr. David Chaos

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Jun 18, 1994, 8:04:38 PM6/18/94
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Would someone mind flaming my post or something. I feel like I'm talking to
myself.

Dr. David Chaos

JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS

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Jun 18, 1994, 8:44:31 PM6/18/94
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>Would someone mind flaming my post or something. I feel like I'm talking to
>myself.

I often talk to myself, Dr. C. When one is a brilliant conversation-
alist and also such an attentive listener there is often no other choice...

JMW, proud Wordsler since Yalevm days, and where statistics show that one
out of two of us have never seen a hairdresser eat a banana, and who knows
that if you're dead butch you eat it like an ear of corn.

Doris Smith

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Jun 18, 1994, 9:56:02 PM6/18/94
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On Sat, 18 Jun 1994, Dr. David Chaos wrote:

> Would someone mind flaming my post or something. I feel like I'm talking to
> myself.
>

My sentiments exactly. I *know* I've been talking to myself, about
subjects ranging from Miata Madness to tomato-eating wild-life to wet
phone wit to who knows what. And I'm glad to make your acquaintance, Dr.
Chaos.
doris

Karen Kay

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Jun 18, 1994, 9:59:07 PM6/18/94
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Doris Smith said:
> My sentiments exactly. I *know* I've been talking to myself, about
> subjects ranging from Miata Madness to tomato-eating wild-life to wet
> phone wit to who knows what.

I've been listening. I just didn't have anything to say on those
topics.

Karen
kar...@netcom.com

Doris Smith

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Jun 18, 1994, 11:33:54 PM6/18/94
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> I've been listening. I just didn't have anything to say on those
> topics.
>
> Karen

I understand. But I'm <deeply> hurt that Giggles didn't thank me
profusely for pointing the way to an <organized> group of Miata owners.
doris

Bookrat

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Jun 19, 1994, 12:34:13 AM6/19/94
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>Would someone mind flaming my post or something. I feel like I'm talking to
>myself.
>
>Dr. David Chaos

Gee. I don't think I've ever done this before; it's certainly not something
I'm accustomed to doing. However, since you insist, and only because you
insist:

Chaos, you whining little specimen of excretia, what the fuck makes you
think that your inane drivel is word two nanoseconds of any marginally
intelligent human being's time? Your propensity for patiently listening to
your own droning voice is easily explained by the fact that you are the
only simpleton on earth dimwitted enough to do so. Get a life, and I mean
that quite literally, since it is obvious from your gibbering prattle that
you are about as sentient as a rotting tree trunk.

(GT, TS, how did I do?)

Ken Miller
Dissembler General
Strategic Disinformation Command
kcmi...@netcom.com
who is off to take lessons from M*rtin H*nnigan

Karen Kay

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Jun 19, 1994, 12:49:41 AM6/19/94
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Bookrat said:
> (GT, TS, how did I do?)

Not enough typos.

Karen
kar...@netcom.com

Bookrat

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Jun 19, 1994, 2:52:32 AM6/19/94
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>Bookrat said:
>> (GT, TS, how did I do?)
>
>Not enough typos.
>
>Karen

I didn't put in any typoes for the same reason that I didn't put in any
"quotes". Imitation may be the sincerest form of flattery, but it's the
mark of an unimaginative student. The pupil must strive to emulate the
masters without imitating them.

Ken Miller
Professor of Marxian Dielectrics
University of Freedonia
kcmi...@netcom.com

Tushar Samant

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Jun 19, 1994, 3:36:51 AM6/19/94
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kar...@NETCOM.COM writes:
>Bookrat said:
>> (GT, TS, how did I do?)
>
>Not enough typos.

Did he ask YOU? Quit your goddamn disruptive officious uninformed
irrelevant dull unnecessary shrieking. By the way, I don't flame,
if by flaming is meant some crap that was submitted some time ago,
oh so cutesily. Idiots whom I will not name should understand that
whatever notion they might have about flaming being an "art form",
worth evaluating or cultivating, is among the most uncultured ones
one can ever sport. You might well get your jollies out of whoring
your rhetorical abilities for or against any given topic; just be
kind enough to realize that I don't give a fuck to such degrading
activity, in addition to judging you to be one fervent coprophile.

Bookrat

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Jun 17, 1994, 10:48:12 PM6/17/94
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One wonders how many <other> white Ford Broncos there are on the freeways
in Los Angeles. I assume their fellow drivers are giving them considerable
berth.

This is truly surreal. The pursuit is being carried live by four broadcast
stations here, two in English and two in Spanish. The slowness of the chase
adds to the peculiarity of the situation. Add to that the number of people
who are lining up on the overpasses to watch the caravan pass by, and the
civilian cars who are driving by and <slowing down> to look inside the
car...truly a strange and yet somehow quintessentially American incident.

Ken Miller
kcmi...@netcom.com

Karen Kay

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Jun 19, 1994, 5:29:09 AM6/19/94
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Bookrat said:
> I didn't put in any typoes for the same reason that I didn't put in any

Any? Then you had at least one non-word. It's 'excreta' not 'excretia'.

Karen
kar...@netcom.com

Dr. David Chaos

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Jun 19, 1994, 11:59:18 AM6/19/94
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Bookrat <kcmi...@NETCOM.COM> writes:

>My own response is based on the fact that I have never bought into the
>"athlete as hero" mythos. I do not see how the ability to throw a ball
>accurately over long distances, to run faster or longer than anyone else,
>et cetera, have any bearing on a person's character. These are measures of
>one's physical and mental aptitudes, and especially of one's determination
>and toughness, but logically there is no reason why a top athlete should
>possess more integrity than a top physicist or a top musician or a top
>politician. Character is not measured by professional accomplishments, but
>by personal ones.

Ahhh, Delphi was *not* flushing my posts, as I had thought. Anyway, I agree
with your position on the "athlete hero". However, in Simpson's case, I recall
him being involved in many positive things other than sports. Unfortunately,
I was never privvy to his wife-beating incidents. Therefore, my view of him
was skewed by his positive "public face". It seems that even quality athletic
shoes are capable of shoeing clay feet.

Dr. David Chaos

Dr. David Chaos

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Jun 19, 1994, 12:02:56 PM6/19/94
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JOHN WHAT'S-THE-M-FOR? WILLIAMS <WILL...@MC.BITNET> writes:

> I often talk to myself, Dr. C. When one is a brilliant conversation-
>alist and also such an attentive listener there is often no other choice...
>
>JMW, proud Wordsler since Yalevm days, and where statistics show that one
>out of two of us have never seen a hairdresser eat a banana, and who knows
>that if you're dead butch you eat it like an ear of corn.

Chortle! It seems that I am in good company.

Dr. David Chaos

Dr. David Chaos

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Jun 19, 1994, 12:08:52 PM6/19/94
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Bookrat <kcmi...@NETCOM.COM> writes:

>Chaos, you whining little specimen of excretia, what the fuck makes you
>think that your inane drivel is word two nanoseconds of any marginally
>intelligent human being's time? Your propensity for patiently listening to
>your own droning voice is easily explained by the fact that you are the
>only simpleton on earth dimwitted enough to do so. Get a life, and I mean
>that quite literally, since it is obvious from your gibbering prattle that
>you are about as sentient as a rotting tree trunk.

and


>(GT, TS, how did I do?)
>
>Ken Miller

Thanks, I needed that. Definitely up to the standards of the top-flight flamers
here and on the usenet.

Dr. David Chaos

Sharon S. Scott

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Jun 19, 1994, 4:07:59 PM6/19/94
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Ken says:
>again, why do we choose the O.J. Simpsons and the Magic Johnsons and their
>ilk as our heroes?

I don't consider them heroes, although apparently a large number of people
do. My only heroes/heroines are people I know personally--friends,
teachers, co-workers, family members--people that have made a difference in
my life. No sports figure has ever done that.

sharon
sco...@baylor.edu

Natalie Maynor

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Jun 19, 1994, 5:51:23 PM6/19/94
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This depends on the kind of hero we're talking about. Famous people of
just about any ilk can be tragic heroes. The only requirement is to be
in high position and to fall as a result at least partially of your own
hamartia.
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)

Mr G Toal

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Jun 19, 1994, 6:22:08 PM6/19/94
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>Bookrat <kcmi...@NETCOM.COM> writes:
>
>>Chaos, you whining little specimen of excretia, what the fuck makes you
>>think that your inane drivel is word two nanoseconds of any marginally
>>intelligent human being's time? Your propensity for patiently listening to
>>your own droning voice is easily explained by the fact that you are the
>>only simpleton on earth dimwitted enough to do so. Get a life, and I mean
>>that quite literally, since it is obvious from your gibbering prattle that
>>you are about as sentient as a rotting tree trunk.
>
>>(GT, TS, how did I do?)

Not very good. Just calling someone rude names doesn't count as a
flame - you have to make them *feel* small. That one would just wash
off his back. Now, if you really wanted to flame David, all you have
to do is ask him if his life is complete now he's had a letter published
in Wired...

G

Tushar Samant

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Jun 19, 1994, 6:32:43 PM6/19/94
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SCO...@BAYLOR.EDU writes:
>My only heroes/heroines are people I know personally--friends,
>teachers, co-workers, family members--people that have made a
>difference in my life.

But this also seems to imply that people you don't know personally
don't make any difference in your life.

tushar

Sharon S. Scott

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Jun 19, 1994, 11:21:06 PM6/19/94
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>But this also seems to imply that people you don't know personally don't
>make any difference in your life.

>tushar

Perhaps you're right, Tushar--people I don't know personally can affect my
life. But sports figures do not make a difference in my life.

sharon
sco...@baylor.edu

Doris Smith

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Jun 20, 1994, 12:12:59 AM6/20/94
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> I profusely apologize, doris dear. I haven't been <myself> lately,
> not since <ts> made those awful verses directed at me. I'm still
> nursing my wounds. I loved the Miata story. And the grandbaby story.
> --ggs
>
Good. I feel better now.

<ts> has gone <verse crazy> lately, hasn't he?
doris

Brad Grissom

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Jun 20, 1994, 12:17:25 AM6/20/94
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><ts> has gone <verse crazy> lately, hasn't he?
>doris

The barneyfest he so lamented he has on his own initiative initiated.

Bookrat

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Jun 20, 1994, 12:48:41 AM6/20/94
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><ts> has gone <verse crazy> lately, hasn't he?
>doris

"Tushar, this is stupid stuff:
You write your verses fast enough;
There isn't much behind them, though,
As on and on and on you go.
Upon my word, the verse you make
Makes poetasters groan and ache."

Ken Miller
Poetaster Emeritus
Anacreonitick Academy of Zymurgicomusicology
kcmi...@netcom.com
who will quite shortly look into the pewter pot to see the world as the
world's not, and quite possibly break into a few strains of "The Housman of
the Rising Sun"

Doris Smith

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Jun 20, 1994, 12:55:21 AM6/20/94
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Brad says:
> The barneyfest he so lamented he has on his own initiative initiated.
>
True words, my friend.
doris

Natalie Maynor

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Jun 20, 1994, 6:39:59 AM6/20/94
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> Perhaps you're right, Tushar--people I don't know personally can affect my
> life. But sports figures do not make a difference in my life.

Are you ruling out sports figures as ever being able to make a difference
in your life (as your first posting on the subject implied), or are you
simply saying that it happens that no sports figures have influenced you
so far?
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)

Sharon S. Scott

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Jun 20, 1994, 12:03:19 PM6/20/94
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>Are you ruling out sports figures as ever being able to make a difference
>in your life (as your first posting on the subject implied), or are you
>simply saying that it happens that no sports figures have influenced you
>so far?
> --Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)

No sports figures have influenced me so far, and I can't imagine that they
ever would.

Sharon
sco...@baylor.edu

Dan Lester

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Jun 20, 1994, 12:52:21 PM6/20/94
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On Sun, 19 Jun 1994 23:12:59 -0500 Doris Smith said:
><ts> has gone <verse crazy> lately, hasn't he?

Oh, is THAT what it is sposed to be??

cyclops

Natalie Maynor

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Jun 20, 1994, 2:01:34 PM6/20/94
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> No sports figures have influenced me so far, and I can't imagine that they
> ever would.

You assume that this whole segment of the population is automatically
unworthy of your attention since anybody who happens to be part of that
group couldn't possibly have anything of value to contribute to your life?
That's sad.
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)

Graham Toal

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Jun 20, 1994, 2:33:11 PM6/20/94
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: From: "Sharon S. Scott" <SCO...@baylor.edu>

: No sports figures have influenced me so far, and I can't imagine that they
: ever would.

Talking of which, I'm finding it *extremely* hard to think of a single
British personality who would have been treated the way Simpson was.
(I.e. cheered on in public after being accused of a brutal double-slaying)

The only person I can think of is the Queen Mum. At a pinch, Princess
Di if she offed big-ears :-)

G

Sharon S. Scott

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Jun 20, 1994, 5:00:59 PM6/20/94
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>You assume that this whole segment of the population is automatically
>unworthy of your attention since anybody who happens to be part of that
>group couldn't possibly have anything of value to contribute to your life?
>That's sad.
> --Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)

No, what I said was that I can't imagine that a sports figure would ever
influence me. I know no sports figures, don't watch sports, thus I am at a
loss to determine how a sports figure could contribute anything to my life.

Sharon
sco...@baylor.edu

Natalie Maynor

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Jun 20, 1994, 7:59:50 PM6/20/94
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> No, what I said was that I can't imagine that a sports figure would ever
> influence me. I know no sports figures, don't watch sports, thus I am at a
> loss to determine how a sports figure could contribute anything to my life.

Sports figures sometimes do other things also -- not just sports. Btw,
when OJ was still missing, my mother said to me that surely he'd be
recognized, that even she would recognize him. I said I wouldn't. I
had heard his name, of course, but had no idea what he looked like until
he started showing up in all the newspapers the past few days. (The
connection between my first sentence above and the rest of what I wrote
is that apparently OJS did things other than sports since my mother knew
who he was because of other things he did.)
--Natalie (may...@ra.msstate.edu)

Tushar Samant

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Jun 21, 1994, 1:48:19 AM6/21/94
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SCO...@BAYLOR.EDU writes:
>No, what I said was ...

By the way, positions are still open in the Natalie Fan Club (Adoration
of the Natalie in every being).

tushar

Bill Merrill

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Jun 21, 1994, 12:59:38 PM6/21/94
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>Posted on 20 Jun 1994 at 15:01:38 by Graham Toal

>
>Talking of which, I'm finding it *extremely* hard to think of a single
>British personality who would have been treated the way Simpson was.
>(I.e. cheered on in public after being accused of a brutal double-slaying)

God I love the 90s. Cellular in one hand, gun in the other. Cop
chase, helicopters. Sipping on a Weissbier, cheering on O.J. with
the rest of America.
Clinton whines as the world falls apart, and no one's paying attention,
witnessing as though at first hand, now grieving the fall of a hero.

Bill Merrill

Dan Lester

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Jun 22, 1994, 12:29:31 AM6/22/94
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On Tue, 21 Jun 1994 12:59:38 EDT Bill Merrill said:
>God I love the 90s. Cellular in one hand, gun in the other. Cop
>chase, helicopters. Sipping on a Weissbier, cheering on O.J. with
>the rest of America.
>Clinton whines as the world falls apart, and no one's paying attention,
>witnessing as though at first hand, now grieving the fall of a hero.
>
Yup. And in honor of the OJ chase, we saw Speed on Sunday and
rented and just watched Vanishing Point tonite. And we just thought
that those things were some writer's wild imaginations.

cyclops

Dr. David Chaos

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Jun 22, 1994, 1:17:53 AM6/22/94
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Mr G Toal <uba...@ucl.ac.uk> writes:

>Not very good. Just calling someone rude names doesn't count as a
>flame - you have to make them *feel* small. That one would just wash
>off his back. Now, if you really wanted to flame David, all you have
>to do is ask him if his life is complete now he's had a letter published
>in Wired...
>
>G

Ahhh, Graham, ole buddy, where ya been? Now about that letter. Can you believe
that they didn't even send me a free mag after that bit of prose. The nerve.
Let's hope that Scientific American has more couth.

Dr. David Chaos

Dr. David Chaos

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Jun 23, 1994, 11:46:52 PM6/23/94
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Doris Smith <dori...@TENET.EDU> writes:

>My sentiments exactly. I *know* I've been talking to myself, about
>subjects ranging from Miata Madness to tomato-eating wild-life to wet
>phone wit to who knows what. And I'm glad to make your acquaintance, Dr.
>Chaos.
>doris

Likewise! I will not ignore your posts. Though the other folk seem to have
more free time to read and reply. Oh well, such are the wages of the soon-to-
be-socialized.

Dr. David Chaos

Karen Kay

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Jun 24, 1994, 2:56:47 AM6/24/94
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Dr. David Chaos said:
> Likewise! I will not ignore your posts. Though the other folk seem to have
> more free time to read and reply. Oh well, such are the wages of the soon-to-
> be-socialized.

What? What? Explain, please!

Karen
kar...@netcom.com

Dr. David Chaos

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Jun 26, 1994, 1:36:24 AM6/26/94
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Karen Kay <kar...@NETCOM.COM> writes:

>> Likewise! I will not ignore your posts. Though the other folk seem to have
>> more free time to read and reply. Oh well, such are the wages of the soon-to-
>> be-socialized.
>
>What? What? Explain, please!
>
>Karen

I am in a profession which is "soon-to-be-socialized". Therefore, my free time
dwindles as I race the clock in attempt to pay off my school loans before I
no longer have sufficient income to do so. Hence, less time to read and reply.

Dr. David Chaos

Karen Kay

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Jun 26, 1994, 11:57:30 AM6/26/94
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Dr. David Chaos said:
> I am in a profession which is "soon-to-be-socialized".

Oh!

I thought you meant you, personally, were soon to be socialized.
And I think you are already pretty well socialized, so I couldn't
figure that out. Never occurred to me you meant your profession.
Yes, you blood-sucking doctors...you'll get yours! (Just hope
it's after you pay off your loans...:) )

Karen
kar...@netcom.com

Dr. David Chaos

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Jun 26, 1994, 2:17:33 PM6/26/94
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Karen Kay <kar...@NETCOM.COM> writes:

>I thought you meant you, personally, were soon to be socialized.
>And I think you are already pretty well socialized, so I couldn't
>figure that out. Never occurred to me you meant your profession.
>Yes, you blood-sucking doctors...you'll get yours! (Just hope
>it's after you pay off your loans...:) )
>
>Karen

Civilized, yes. Socialized, not until they pry my cold, dead fingers from my
stethoscope! Or, until my loans are paid off and I can find another career.

Dr. David Chaos

Karen Kay

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Jun 26, 1994, 1:48:20 PM6/26/94
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Dr. David Chaos said:
> Civilized, yes. Socialized, not until they pry my cold, dead fingers from my
> stethoscope! Or, until my loans are paid off and I can find another career.

Courtesy of netcom's online Webster:

so.cial.ize \'so--sh*-.li-z\ vt 1: to make social; esp : to fit or train
for a social environment

That's what I meant. Possessed of social skills. You're a little
sensitive about this term, aren't you?;)

Karen
kar...@netcom.com

Bandwidth Pig

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Jun 26, 1994, 3:40:15 PM6/26/94
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At 1:17 PM 6/26/94 -0500, Dr. David Chaos wrote:

>Civilized, yes. Socialized, not until they pry my cold, dead fingers from my
>stethoscope! Or, until my loans are paid off and I can find another career.
>

>Dr. David Chaos

Is you last name really "Chaos?"

-abh

Dr. David Chaos

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Jun 27, 1994, 3:32:05 AM6/27/94
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Karen Kay <kar...@NETCOM.COM> writes:

>so.cial.ize \'so--sh*-.li-z\ vt 1: to make social; esp : to fit or train
> for a social environment
>
>That's what I meant. Possessed of social skills. You're a little
>sensitive about this term, aren't you?;)
>
>Karen

Arrgh...what makes you think so? Anyway, lots of bad things are social. Social
diseases, socialism, social engineering and social security tax. Besides, who
wants to be "fit or train for a social environment"? (I know, I know, put the
punctuation inside the quotes...phooey!)

But thanks anyway. :->

Dr. David Chaos

Dr. David Chaos

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Jun 27, 1994, 3:35:11 AM6/27/94
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Bandwidth Pig <b...@NETCOM.COM> writes:

>Is you last name really "Chaos?"
>
>-abh

Ya know, I never gave it much thought. I guess I better ask my mom.

Dr. David Chaos

Karen Kay

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Jun 27, 1994, 10:33:18 AM6/27/94
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Dr. David Chaos said:
> wants to be "fit or train for a social environment"? (I know, I know, put the
> punctuation inside the quotes...phooey!)

Actually...I wouldn't in this situation, given my druthers. I find
it confusing when the question mark isn't part of the quotation.

Karen
kar...@netcom.com

Dr. David Chaos

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Jun 27, 1994, 10:45:33 PM6/27/94
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Karen Kay <kar...@NETCOM.COM> writes:

>Actually...I wouldn't in this situation, given my druthers. I find
>it confusing when the question mark isn't part of the quotation.
>
>Karen

I agree, I always thought it was a dumb rule. Come to think of it, who makes
those silly rules?

Dr. David Chaos

Doris Smith

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Jun 27, 1994, 11:38:12 PM6/27/94
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>
> >Actually...I wouldn't in this situation, given my druthers. I find
> >it confusing when the question mark isn't part of the quotation.
> >
If the quotation itself is not a question, only "part" of a question, as in
Dr. Chaos' example, the question mark goes *outside* the quotation marks.
You're thinking of the "rule" that states that *periods* and *commas*
belong inside the quotation marks.

> I agree, I always thought it was a dumb rule. Come to think of it, who makes
> those silly rules?
>
> Dr. David Chaos
>

I'd love to know the answer to that question, too. Most of the
applications of that "rule" make sense to me, but this particular type of
use does not:

I always thought it was a dumb "rule," but followed it anyway.
Today I heard Tex Ritter's recording of "Rye Whiskey."

doris

Dr. David Chaos

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Jun 28, 1994, 3:03:33 AM6/28/94
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Doris Smith <dori...@TENET.EDU> writes:

>If the quotation itself is not a question, only "part" of a question, as in
>Dr. Chaos' example, the question mark goes *outside* the quotation marks.
>You're thinking of the "rule" that states that *periods* and *commas*
>belong inside the quotation marks.

Geeeez, I didn't have any idea it was only commas and periods. These guys
were sicker than I thought.

Dr. David Chaos

Natalie Maynor

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Jun 28, 1994, 7:19:09 AM6/28/94