Of course, as those products are the only supported products available.
So, did the z/196 break older operating systems? I don't care that the older ones can't use newer facilities. (The z boxes came with dual channel sets which "broke" unsupported OS versions until "migration" PTFs became available.
For example, at one site, I have z/VSE 3.1.0 running. We were planning on upgrading from a MP/3000 to a new box. My conversion process was to run z/VSE 3.1.0 on the new box in a LPAR, and bring up z/VSE 4.3 on another LPAR for conversion. The Business Partner is suggesting a z/10, but that was 4 months ago. I don't know if the z/196 was available at that time or not.
I believe that the z/10 isn't in new production, so a z/10 would be used. Hence we pay for shipping, installation, site prep, no warranty, etc. which isn't in the proposal from the Business Partner. I don't think we get a migration discount either, but would enjoy the pricing point for z/VSE 4.
Thanks
Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting
(trying to keep from making a "crap" proposal <G>)
It's interesting to think about what the "business class" machine will be
called. There is no z196-EC which makes a z196-BC highly unlikely.
The name z196 consists of z (System z) 1 (1st generation zEnterprise) 96 (96
"cores"). If the smaller machine supports only a single book identical to the
(up to) four in the z196, then it might be called z124.
Past machines have produced smaller books for the smaller machines. Perhaps z112
or z116 are likely.
Maybe we should establish a betting pool?
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A z/10 would make things a little easier as it is a well known beast.
Thanks
Tom Duerbusch
THD Consulting
>>> Kevin Corkery <kcor...@live.com> 12/29/2010 10:25 AM >>>
Where's your sense of adventure?
Dave
Dave Stuart
Prin. Info. Systems Support Analyst
County of Ventura, CA
805-662-6731
David....@ventura.org>>> "Tom Duerbusch" <Duerb...@stlouiscity.com> 12/29/2010 8:50 AM >>>
Who is to collect the money for betting?
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Martin
Pi_cap_CPU - all you ever need around MWLC/SCRT/CMT in z/VSE
more at http://www.picapcpu.de
Probably not a popular choice, but I'm going with z112.
I think YOU should hold the money. But, be sure to convert any USD to Euros
while holding and then back to USD at payout time. Citigroup is predicting an
11% decline of USD against the Euro for 2011. You can be a hedge against
inflation for your American friends. :-)
Like others, I did have to apply MSHP zaps to get older VSEs to run on
an in-house z990, VSE/ESA refused to IPL even under z/VM. VSE
development would not tell me what the patches were doing (shame!).
Don't get too many cpus for VSE to use, especially if you use MRO/ISC
with CICS. 1 is best, 2 if you really need it. Ask me privately if you
want to know why.
Mike
Tony Thigpen
Mike