Lotus Notes user gets TSO-REXX replies bounced
Michael Bradley
I would love to learn what I can do to make this problem go away. I think the list admin thinks the "bad format" message is sufficient, but it's not enough to give me a clue as to what's wrong.
Today I set Mail Preferences for Internet mail to use only plain text, but it wasn't enough to stop the message from getting bounced.
I'd be grateful for any clues that would help me get back online.
Another problem is that I can't use Yahoo or any other free email client at work - or even Google Groups?! So I'll just be listening on Monday for any responses to this plea, but without any way to reply to the list. Ain't Security great?
Michael
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any error messages? Do you know for sure that the e-mail from Notes is
actually being delivered to z/OS or could it be bouncing before it gets to
z/OS?
Lionel B. Dyck, Consultant/Specialist
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03:10:46 PM:
> Are there any Notes users who can send/reply to TSO-REXX? My company
uses Notes 6.5.5,
> and all my replies are rejected because of a format problem. Until
recently, I had no
> problem. Our Notes support folks don't know of anything that they did
that would have
> changed how mail goes out.
>
> I would love to learn what I can do to make this problem go away. I
think the list
> admin thinks the "bad format" message is sufficient, but it's not enough
to give me a
> clue as to what's wrong.
>
> Today I set Mail Preferences for Internet mail to use only plain text,
but it wasn't
> enough to stop the message from getting bounced.
>
> I'd be grateful for any clues that would help me get back online.
>
> Another problem is that I can't use Yahoo or any other free email client
at work - or
> even Google Groups?! So I'll just be listening on Monday for any
responses to this
> plea, but without any way to reply to the list. Ain't Security great?
>
> Michael
>
I am using 6.5.1 and don't have any problems. I did this reply "using
internet style history" (like real email clients), but a regular
Notes "top reply" works also. After you changed your Notes settings,
did you exit out of Notes completely and get back in before trying
it again (not that I know if it is required or not)? Did you try
sending a Notes email to you personal address or your yahoo address
to see what it looked like?
Regards,
Mark
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& of course the confidential message at the bottom that the company does.
I see these lines when I do a reply, but I don't know of any way to avoid them. In this message, I tried to reply after restarting Notes. I can also see what appears to be the Subject in what I would call a text box - even though it has no border.
I'm guessing that when I send an email via Notes and there's an "@" character, it treats it as an "internet message"; I know of no Notes messages that use this character.
Lionel, I'm using Notes on something other than z/OS, and I'm quite sure we're not going out via z/OS.
Thank you both for your quick replies.
Michael
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"MARIST LISTSERV Server (14.4)" <LIST...@VM.MARIST.EDU> 03/07/2008 04:46 PM
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Michael Bradley <Michael...@EQUIFAX.COM>
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Rejected posting to TSO-...@VM.MARIST.EDU
Your posting to the TSO-REXX list has been rejected because it only contains
material in a format disallowed by the list configuration. Even though the list
is configured to remove unwanted material and process the remaining text, in
this case there would be nothing left after removing the disallowed material.
You may want to resend your message in plain text, which is always allowed.
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Re: [TSO-REXX] Lotus Notes user gets TSO-REXX replies bouncedMark said:
Did you try sending a Notes email to you personal address or your yahoo address to see what it looked like?
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Test reply after restarting Notes.
Michael
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Lionel B Dyck
SMTP server LOGFILE which is where Notes (where ever it is running) should
be routing the e-mail so that it can be received in your TSO session.
I do it frequently - sending e-mail from Notes to z/OS where I can look at
the entire e-mail in TSO/ISPF browse and it works fine.
You said it used to work so something has changed somewhere.
I'd start with looking in the z/OS SMTP Logfile (use a spool viewer such
as SDSF, IOF, or (E)JES) for any messages around the time you expected the
e-mail from Notes to have been delivered to your z/OS TSO session. If you
don't see anything then it is possible that it is being rejected somewhere
else.
Can you include the error messages that you are seeing in Notes when the
e-mail bounces?
Lionel B. Dyck, Consultant/Specialist
Enterprise Platform Services, Mainframe Engineering
KP-IT Enterprise Engineering
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I never guess. It is a capital mistake to theorize before one has data.
Insensibly one begins to twist facts to suit theories, instead of theories
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Michael Bradley
I don't use TSO to do email; I use Windows. The notes server may be on z/OS, but I wouldn't know what spool file to look for. I'll check started tasks. I've lerned enough not to reject ideas such as this out of hand by now, so I'll see what I can see. But I worked at a place that had Notes, but not z/OS. I just thought they used AIX to run the server.
Being offline to my company, I can look at Google Groups, and I can see this posting, and ones I did in November. The ones in November don't have the lines:
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I sent my yahoo a test msg; here's what it looks like:
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test msg
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I know of no way in yahoo to examine headers and other details.
Thanks for your support, Lionel. Gonna check z/OS now.
Michael
Lionel B Dyck <Lionel...@KP.ORG> wrote: Michael - my question had to do with what you were seeing on your z/OS
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Bob Bridges
exasperates us from time to time too. Never our own rules, of course --
there are always good reasons for ours -- just those weirdoes handling
security over on the other platform.
Anyway, I know I've used Lotus Notes with this listserv at various times,
but not currently (I'm a contractor and move from installation to
installation) so I'm no good to you in that regard. My contribution is to
point out that if you want to badly enough, you can send email from your
workstation without going through either Notes or any of the disallowed
web-based email sites. There's more than one way to do it, and others here
can provide more detail than I can, but I can think of two ways for sure:
telnet from Windows, and XMITIP from the mainframe. Neither one is very
complex; I know more about the latter, but someone showed me how the former
works, and if anything it's the simpler of the two. Just an idea,
definitely in the kludgy-workaround category while you're trying to fix the
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-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Bradley
Sent: Friday, March 7, 2008 16:11
Are there any Notes users who can send/reply to TSO-REXX? My company uses
Notes 6.5.5, and all my replies are rejected because of a format problem.
Until recently, I had no problem. Our Notes support folks don't know of
anything that they did that would have changed how mail goes out.
I would love to learn what I can do to make this problem go away. I think
the list admin thinks the "bad format" message is sufficient, but it's not
enough to give me a clue as to what's wrong.
Today I set Mail Preferences for Internet mail to use only plain text, but
it wasn't enough to stop the message from getting bounced.
I'd be grateful for any clues that would help me get back online.
Another problem is that I can't use Yahoo or any other free email client at
work - or even Google Groups?! So I'll just be listening on Monday for any
responses to this plea, but without any way to reply to the list. Ain't
Security great?
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Lionel B Dyck
scenario of using Lotus Notes where the client is on your PC (either
windows or linux) and the server is on either windows, aix, linux or z/os
you can send e-mail to TSO REXX providing that on z/OS you have the IBM
(or oem) TCPIP stack enabled *and* the SMTP service within that stack
enabled and active.
Assuming you have the IBM TCP/IP Stack then look at your z/OS SMTP Server
started task and look at the LOGFILE DD where you can see messages
indicating all outgoing and incoming e-mail. If you do not have the z/OS
SMTP started task then you can not receive e-mail on z/OS TSO REXX.
Does this help clarify.
From:
Michael Bradley <mjm...@YAHOO.COM>
To:
TSO-...@VM.MARIST.EDU
Date:
03/07/2008 02:40 PM
Subject:
Re: [TSO-REXX] Lotus Notes user gets TSO-REXX replies bounced
Seibert, Dave
Michael is not talking about sending emails to z/OS tso rexx.
He is talking about difficulties sending to the listserv TSO-REXX
Dave
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Lionel B Dyck
I send to tso-rexx listserv all the time from my lotus notes client
Michael Bradley
Because of this "problem", when I thought I could help with a question, I've been sending directly to members. In keeping with the spirit of the law, I guess I should stop even that. I only learned what the problem was because I happened to bump into my Director on Friday who had been getting notices from Security, and informed me of this "chat" idea.
I no longer contribute to IBM-MAIN - or even listen, because *in my opinion* its traffic has too high a drivel-to-business ratio than either TSO-REXX or ISPF-L which are nearly 100% biz. This past week, I had a SAS Data step problem that really had me stumped. As a former Systems Programmer, I feel I can research a problem, and handle it myself - especially with something as wholesome as SAS; any problem is a User Error. But finally, I joined the list, hammered out the problem with some kind soul using the handle data_null_ in less than a day. Such risky behavior is too high a price for success.
All free emails are also verboten. My Director's solution to this is to do the research on my own time. I've been doing this for the past two years, because Google Groups are also blocked via the company network.
I understand the need for security - especially at a company such as this one. No one wants to hear that 150 million soshes escaped this company's domain - no one - especially the security folk whose job it is to help save the company from such exposure.
Anyway, I'll be out of here in June - I'm teaching some of our brothers from India how to do my job. They're really great people, anxious to learn, and very hard-working. Hey, that sounds like me too! I must be missing something.
I want to thank everyone for all their perseverance in helping me in my company's times of need, providing so many inspired solutions, and sharing their and their nation's wealth of knowledge and experience.
Don't be surprised come July, if you should see that it's me serving you a Mocha Frappuccino - I understand they have pretty good benefits.
Michael
"Seibert, Dave" <Dave.S...@COMPUWARE.COM> wrote: Hi Lionel,
Dave
Does this help clarify.
Lionel,
Michael
Lionel B Dyck
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