Photography credits
Leah Geanopulos
of which they've provided for me. Some are just photos they "had lying
around" and they don't know who took them. Some are Olan Mills-type
portraits. Giving photo credits will be a real hassle and, in some
cases, impossible.
My question is, would it be permissible to use a blanket statement at
the beginning of the publication that will prevent me from having to
research photographer information and give photo credits for each one? I
was thinking, something like this:
All photos included in this publication are the personal property of the
individuals pictured and are printed with their permission.
Any thoughts? Thanks in advance,
Leah Geanopulos
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Tracy Boyington
| of which they've provided for me. Some are just photos they "had lying
| around" and they don't know who took them. Some are Olan Mills-type
| portraits. Giving photo credits will be a real hassle and, in some
| cases, impossible.
Be careful with those professional (Olan Mills, Glamour Shots, etc.)
portraits -- the studios generally retain copyright to the photos. Most
(if not all) of the photocopy places around here won't touch a photo
that has the name of a studio stamped on it. I don't know if they'd ever
sic the lawyers on you (especially if this project is for internal use
only), but since you're worrying about photo credits anyway, here's one
more thing to worry about. ;-)
Tracy
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John Posada
contacted them?
Credit is not the issue here. Copyright is. Just because you've
contacted the person who's picture is being taken does not give
permission to print them. With studio posed pictures, often, the studio
retains the rights and ownership of the photo itself.
If the person can produce the negative, you have a better indication of
ownership. Studios who retain ownership will usualy retain the negative.
| Developing a project that will include photos of all our employees, most
| of which they've provided for me. Some are just photos they "had lying
| around" and they don't know who took them. Some are Olan Mills-type
| portraits. Giving photo credits will be a real hassle and, in some
| cases, impossible.
|
| My question is, would it be permissible to use a blanket statement at
| the beginning of the publication that will prevent me from having to
| research photographer information and give photo credits for each one? I
| was thinking, something like this:
|
| All photos included in this publication are the personal property of the
| individuals pictured and are printed with their permission.
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My opinions are mine, and neither you nor my company can take credit for
them.
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Alfred Barten
I assume you've been given actual photos, not scans. If the photo has a
credit on it, use it. If the photo does not have a credit on it, then the
owner's name should be given. If all photos fit within your blanket
statement, then it sounds OK. I've done a bit a professional photography
and have always been careful to put my name and copyright notice on the
back. (Photo studios are particularly careful to put their credit lines on
their work.) Even then, some newspapers, who should know better, ignore the
credit. I've even had my photos credited as "Staff Photographer," which
I've never been. When these errors happen, I send them a polite but pointed
letter. (They often publish the letter as an acknowledgement.) Sometimes
I've seen photos credited as "From the collection of <Name>." This is
usually done with OLD photos that have no credits on them.
I hope this helps.
Al Barten
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At 08:42 AM 3/15/99 PST, Leah Geanopulos wrote:
|Developing a project that will include photos of all our employees, most
|of which they've provided for me. Some are just photos they "had lying
|around" and they don't know who took them. Some are Olan Mills-type
|portraits. Giving photo credits will be a real hassle and, in some
|cases, impossible.
|
|My question is, would it be permissible to use a blanket statement at
|the beginning of the publication that will prevent me from having to
|research photographer information and give photo credits for each one? I
|was thinking, something like this:
|
|All photos included in this publication are the personal property of the
|individuals pictured and are printed with their permission.
|
|Any thoughts? Thanks in advance,
|
|Leah Geanopulos
|
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Matt Ion
|My question is, would it be permissible to use a blanket statement at
|the beginning of the publication that will prevent me from having to
|research photographer information and give photo credits for each one? I
|was thinking, something like this:
|
|All photos included in this publication are the personal property of the
|individuals pictured and are printed with their permission.
I would have something more like this:
Except where otherwise noted, photos included in this publication are the
personal property of the individuals pictured. All photos are used with
the permission of their respective owner or copyright holder.
As others have suggested, getting permission to use those done by a
professional studio is a good idea, and probably not that difficult,
especially if this is a non-commercial project (you didn't mention what
sort of project it is - internal company directory, or...?) Those
pictures could then be given a simple, small caption: (c) 19xx Bob Smith
Photography
Worst-case scenario, someone must have a relative who's an aspiring photog
who would be happy to come in and shoot pictures of those people whose
submitted shots' copyright is questionable. Pay him a little something
for his time and materials, make sure he signs over the copyrights, and
everybody wins: you have the pictures you need, and your shutterbug has
something to add to his portfolio.
Your friend and mine,
Matt
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Bob Morrisette
|the beginning of the publication that will prevent me from having to
|research photographer information and give photo credits for each one? I
|was thinking, something like this:
To avoid this problem grab a film camera, take pictures, scan them,
or use a digital camera. You won't have people complaining
about some using professional photos and no copyright problem.
If anyone doesn't like their picture, take another. It worked for us.
Bob Morrisette
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Diane Williams
of the individuals pictured and are printed with their permission."
Any thoughts? <<
Whatever you do, do not say this! Photograph copyrights belong to the
photographer -- not the subject of the photo, unless it was a
self-portrait!
If the "photos lying around" were taken of the employees for the
company, you can say the company owns the photo.
The only blanket statement that would suffice for all photos would be:
"Photographs supplied by Olan Mills, Inc.; John Doe Photography; and
XYZ Corporation."
This way you wouldn't have to put a credit line next to each photo.
If the photographer is unknown, you're not covered in your ignorance;
however it would be the photographer's fault for not putting his or
her name on the back of the photo if he or she doesn't receive credit.
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Sella Rush
published in a literary mag, which someone buys, how reasonable would you be
if you found it on a web site credited to the person who bought it?
Better example: Say you, a poet, write an ode to your ex-boyfriend and
presented it to him on his birthday. Three years later, you discover Ode to
Joe on a web site or in a mag, with the phrase "Property of Joe Bloe". Are
you happy?
Obviously, it matters primarily if the photographer derives value from a
credit. But I remember those early days as a writer (and even a brief stint
as a photographer) how difficult it was to get any respect for my work. I
remember how nervewracking it was to assert that my work had any value, and
how willing virtually everyone was to trample on it without thinking. These
days I make a point to give artists respect for their work, even
(especially!) when they don't stand up for it.
Sella Rush
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Smith, Martin
|Think of photographs as you would your own writing. If you wrote a
poem and
published in a literary mag, which someone buys, how reasonable would
you be
if you found it on a web site credited to the person who bought it?
True enough. However, what if you purchased a set of portraits from a
photographer and then found your portrait used in a magazine add some
time later. I personally wouldn't be very happy about that. The
negatives may belong to the photographer but your likeness belongs to
you, which makes photographs somewhat different than poetry. Selling
someone's likeness for money generally involves paying a model for his
or her time, as well as negotiating specific rights to profit from the
sale of those images. Likewise, a writer who pens an article sells
specific rights to the magazine in which the article is published. In
some cases, writers and photographers may be free to resell their work a
specific number of months or years after its initial publication.
Quibbling aside, I think the simplest solution by far is to borrow a
digital camera and take snapshots of everyone.
Matt Ion
|Quibbling aside, I think the simplest solution by far is to borrow a
|digital camera and take snapshots of everyone.
Seconded. Digital camera bonus: no development time, no media costs, and
if a picture comes out bad, you can easily re-shoot it.
Besides that, there's also my other suggestion, to hire a photographer
specifically for these photos. As I said, someone who's just starting
out, or doing it as a "serious hobby", should be happy to do it for a
minimal fee, since he's also getting material for a portfolio, and his
name listed in a publication. (At least, that worked for me when I
dabbled into the realm of semi-professional photography many years ago :)
Your friend and mine,
Matt
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were never recognisable--aerial photos and commercial sites). So with
photography, you need to credit the photographer and get permission from the
"model". But you don't need to print the permission with the photo like you
do the credit.
Sella Rush
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