Nezda sa vam?
Ivo Solan
I ked, chvala bohu, akutna faza kauzy Gazdik je uz uspesne za nami (vdaka
doc. Znasikovi a jeho klubu), mam pocit, ze sa tu nadalej zaoberame iba
riesenim osobnych urazok a nepodstatnych blbosti...bavime sa tu o
poondiatom Presporku a medzitym na Slovensku ide o zivot! Ved ti kreteni
vo vlade si robia s ludmi co sa im zachce a my sa tu zaoberame uplnymi
sprostostami. Uznavam, ze clovek nemoze furt filozofovat o zivote. Ale
zabijat cas debatou o Bobbyho smutnych vylomeninach alebo sa zaoberat
frustraciami rozhnevaneho finskeho bojovnika, sa mi zda privela. Co je
teda poslanim tejto skupinky? Chceme byt "light" alebo chceme byt "heavy"?
Hadat sa o formicky na piesocku? Alebo vyuzit toto jedinecne medzinarodne
forum na nieco, co nas vsetkych moze obohatit?
A este jedna vec vam, ktori zijete v Ceskoslovensku...prepacte, stare
struktury ... viete co chcem povedat. My, emigranti, sme realtivne dobre
informovani o skutocnostiach, ktore sa tam pachaju. Piste nam viac svoje
pocity, pozorovania, konkretne situacie, dojmy, detaily. Myslim, ze na
zaklade takychto prispevkov sa tu mozu "vyklohnit" debaty, ktore maju
zmysel.
I.S.
--------------------
(c) Ivo Solan, 1996
--------------------
Vladimir Linder
prkotiny cas nemam.
Vladimir
Rudolf Straka
Ha, sedi vec. To je hadam presne definovany vyznam internetu. Po kazdej
stranke - moze nas obohatit. A aj ked pripustime, ze prakticky vyznam to
nebude mat ziaden /aspon nie bezprostredne zaznamenatelny/, mozme tento
vas posting povazovat za navrh koncepcie SLOVAK-L. Otazne je, kolkym by
vyhovovalo rozoberat globalnejsie problemy, nez letecke linky alebo osobnu
neznasanlivost.
Mimochodom, krasne slovne spojenie:"...skutocnostiach, ktore sa tam
pachaju."
Predpokladam ze ste nemali na mysli "skutocnosti, ktore sa pachaju" na mne,
hoci o tych by som vedel tak asi najfundovanejsie rozpravat. Anyway, jedna
trochu univerzalnejsia skutocnost: Vladik Velky sa rozhodol, a borcom zo
zapadu uz aj oznamil, ze ide hupkom sprivatizovat bankovu sferu. To je
paradny kontroverzny /alebo kontraverzny?/ namet. Lebo:
1, Privatizacia je pozitivny krok
2, ale akykolvek krok sucasnej garnitury vyvolava hrozu /i ked nie v kazdom/
3, a napriek tomu tie banky nemozu ostat v rukach statu
4, ale zas: je akykolvek vlastnik lepsi ako stat?
5, "Stat som ja" je jeho sposob vlady, a pritom je jasne, ze tie banky
rozhodne nemieni vyclenit spod svojho "ja"
6, aspon jeden koncizny argument: co s nesprivatizovanym portfoliom
sprivatizovanych bank?
Ak by sa vam tento namet nepacil, mozme skusit zanadavat na poistovaci
system v mladej Slovenskej Socialistickej Republike /napr. je v poriadku,
aby mi stat bral zo mzdy peniaze, a daval ich do akehosi poistneho fondu pre
pripad, ked ochoriem a budem chciet dostavat "nemocenske davky"? Co ked tomu
statu na tie davky seriem a chcem celu mzdu na ruku?/ A vobec tu mam v
zasobe vela krasnych nametov zo sudka "dobry mlady stat chrani obcana pred
sebou samym".
Koncim, idem do Cadce, zaniest nieco rodicom, zajtra polyzujem /ak sa mi
nezhorsi grippa/ a v nedelu sluzim, tak si pozriem maily, ci sa pustime
touto cestou.
======================
Rudo Straka - Magpie
str...@sco.medicalh.sk
======================
Matej Lexa
>hoci o tych by som vedel tak asi najfundovanejsie rozpravat. Anyway, jedna
>trochu univerzalnejsia skutocnost: Vladik Velky sa rozhodol, a borcom zo
>zapadu uz aj oznamil, ze ide hupkom sprivatizovat bankovu sferu. To je
>paradny kontroverzny /alebo kontraverzny?/ namet. Lebo:
>1, Privatizacia je pozitivny krok
>2, ale akykolvek krok sucasnej garnitury vyvolava hrozu /i ked nie v kazdom/
>3, a napriek tomu tie banky nemozu ostat v rukach statu
>4, ale zas: je akykolvek vlastnik lepsi ako stat?
>5, "Stat som ja" je jeho sposob vlady, a pritom je jasne, ze tie banky
> rozhodne nemieni vyclenit spod svojho "ja"
>6, aspon jeden koncizny argument: co s nesprivatizovanym portfoliom
> sprivatizovanych bank?
Myslim, ze hlavnym zaujmom statu v privatizacii by malo byt aby sa majetok
dostal do ruk ludom, ktori ho budu spravovat a dotiahnu k prosperite.
U schopnych podnikov, akymi niektore banky zrejme su, by sa mal tiez snazit
ziskat predajom co najviac penazi (pokial by teda neslo o nejaku spravodlivu
formu odskodnenia obcanov, akou bola 1.vlna kuponky).
V uvedenom pripade s bankami si viem splnenie tychto podmienok len tazko
predstavit, naozaj si myslite, ze sa da takto optimalny kupec najst za tri
tyzdne? Ak to bolo pripravovane uz davnejsie, preco sa o tom verejnost
nedozvedela? Privatizuje sa majetok nas vsetkych a o tom akym sposobom
to bude robit sme bohuzial rozhodli uz v minulych volbach.
--
Matej Lexa At present: le...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Irrigation Research Inst. Dept. of Plant Biology
Bratislava, SLOVAKIA University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
********************** "There's only one kind of music." ***********************
Anton Pevala
> ze sa tu zaoberame uplnymi blbostami?
svata pravda!
> I ked, chvala bohu, akutna faza kauzy Gazdik je uz uspesne za nami (vdaka
> doc. Znasikovi a jeho klubu), mam pocit, ze sa tu nadalej zaoberame iba
> riesenim osobnych urazok a nepodstatnych blbosti...bavime sa tu o
> poondiatom Presporku a medzitym na Slovensku ide o zivot! Ved ti kreteni
> vo vlade si robia s ludmi co sa im zachce a my sa tu zaoberame uplnymi
> sprostostami. Uznavam, ze clovek nemoze furt filozofovat o zivote. Ale
> zabijat cas debatou o Bobbyho smutnych vylomeninach alebo sa zaoberat
> frustraciami rozhnevaneho finskeho bojovnika, sa mi zda privela. Co je
> teda poslanim tejto skupinky? Chceme byt "light" alebo chceme byt "heavy"?
> Hadat sa o formicky na piesocku? Alebo vyuzit toto jedinecne medzinarodne
> forum na nieco, co nas vsetkych moze obohatit?
> A este jedna vec vam, ktori zijete v Ceskoslovensku...prepacte, stare
> struktury ... viete co chcem povedat. My, emigranti, sme realtivne dobre
> informovani o skutocnostiach, ktore sa tam pachaju. Piste nam viac svoje
> pocity, pozorovania, konkretne situacie, dojmy, detaily. Myslim, ze na
> zaklade takychto prispevkov sa tu mozu "vyklohnit" debaty, ktore maju
> zmysel.
>
> I.S.
> --------------------
> (c) Ivo Solan, 1996
> --------------------
>
Uz som to nedavno chcel i nacat... co takto debatovat o privatizacii
najvacsich slovenskych penaznych ustavoch - Slov. sporitelne, Slov.
poistovne, VUB a Inv. a rozvojovej banke. Na slovensky sposob - maju to
privatizovat najvacsi dlznici. Kedze sa jedna cca o 300 miliard korun a su v
tom i uspory vacsiny obyvatelstva, je to dost pozoruhodne. Najma ked si
uvedomime, ze zakon nezakazuje vlastnikovi banky, aby sam sebe udelil
pozicku. Bez rucenia - vsak rucim svojim vlastnictvom, t.j. akciami banky,
ktorej som bol sice predtym dlznikom...
Co myslite, kam to asi povedie? Najvyssi cas z tychto ustavov peniaze
vybrat, co by som vsetkym odporucal.
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* Institute of Electrical Engineering *
* Slovak Academy of Sciences *
* Dubravska cesta 9 *
* 842 39 Bratislava *
* Slovak Republic *
* -- pev...@savba.sk -- *
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George Frajkor
> ze sa tu zaoberame uplnymi blbostami?
> I ked, chvala bohu, akutna faza kauzy Gazdik je uz uspesne za nami (vdaka
> doc. Znasikovi a jeho klubu), mam pocit, ze sa tu nadalej zaoberame iba
> riesenim osobnych urazok a nepodstatnych blbosti
That is probably true. People like Znasik, whose ignorance is
exceeded only by his arrogance, will no doubt continue to try to
denigrate and insult anyone whose facts they cannot refute.
Presuming Znasik is on this list, I urge him to tell us all --
before I tell it -- about his incredibly boorish attacks on on Anton
Hykisch, the Slovak ambassador to Canada, and how spokesmen for both
the Czech and Slovak communities felt it necessary to dissociate
themselves from them and to apologize at a public meeting in Ottawa
before the ambassadors of both republics. So don't be surprised at
his attempt to ridicule Slovaks. It is typical of the behavior of a
few hatchet-men in the Czechoslovak Assocation (a Czech organization
with some token slovaks) who are well-known in Canada. Another was
Arnost Wagner, who has thankfully departed Canada and set up shop in
Brno. Evidence of his Slovakness. Just to let you all know who we
are dealing with here.
..bavime sa tu o
> poondiatom Presporku a medzitym na Slovensku ide o zivot! Ved ti kreteni
> vo vlade si robia s ludmi co sa im zachce a my sa tu zaoberame uplnymi
> sprostostami. Uznavam, ze clovek nemoze furt filozofovat o zivote. Ale
> zabijat cas debatou o Bobbyho smutnych vylomeninach alebo sa zaoberat
> frustraciami rozhnevaneho finskeho bojovnika, sa mi zda privela. Co je
> teda poslanim tejto skupinky? Chceme byt "light" alebo chceme byt "heavy"?
This list is not elitist. It serves as an exchange medium for any
ideas concerning Slovakia. Those who do not wish to participate in
discussions on hot dogs, folksongs, placenames, jokes, politics or
philosophy are not obliged to. People can respond to whatever thread
interests them and should not be subject to bring brow-beaten by
someone else who feels his taste is the only legitimate one.
> Hadat sa o formicky na piesocku? Alebo vyuzit toto jedinecne medzinarodne
> forum na nieco, co nas vsetkych moze obohatit?
The truth shall make you free.
It doesn't have to be YOUR truth.
> A este jedna vec vam, ktori zijete v Ceskoslovensku...prepacte, stare
> struktury ... viete co chcem povedat. My, emigranti, sme realtivne dobre
> informovani o skutocnostiach, ktore sa tam pachaju.
Anyone who still speaks of people still living in Czechoslovakia,
or in Presspurk, would I think automatically show himself to be very
badly informed.
> Piste nam viac svoje
> pocity, pozorovania, konkretne situacie, dojmy, detaily. Myslim, ze na
> zaklade takychto prispevkov sa tu mozu "vyklohnit" debaty, ktore maju
> zmysel.
Go ahead and propose something you are interested in, and see
how many people follow your thread. And leave others alone who wish
to discuss what interests them.
Jan George Frajkor _!_
School of Journalism, Carleton Univ. --!--
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Ottawa, Ontario /^\
Canada K1S 5B6 /^\ /^\
gfra...@ccs.carleton.ca / aa...@freenet.carleton.ca
o: 613 788-7404 fax: 613 788-6690 h: 613 563-4534
Janotka, Pavol
klubu. Je skutocne vela inych, dolezitejsich veci, o ktorych by sa tu malo hov
orit. Well, raz som na toto poukazal, bolo mi odpisane, ze nemozem inym radit o
com sa tu maju bavit.Paradili mi viacej pouzivat "delete" a jednoducho niektor
ych autorov ignorovat. Ako clovek chapavy a prisposobivy som tak urobil. Prizna
m sa, ze ani po "delete censorship" sa mi vela zabavy a poucenia nedostalo.
Paul
Ivan Lescak
> The truth shall make you free.
AHA! Konecne viem, kto strieka tieto napisy po celej Bratislave!
;-)
Ivo Solan
Igor Gazdik wrote:
> pan solan: jedna z mala (psychopatickych) kauz tuna je kauza solan
>
> what??? znasik = docent???? clovek s jeho usudkom
> moze prinajlepsom byt docentom v materskej skolke.
> nenamyslajte si, ze decibely, alebo osobne utoky, prenasobene
> poctom su argumenty... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> to je jedine na co stacite. vsetky zlozitejsie zalezitosti
> su vam mentalne nepristupne, respektivne schovane v hmle
> vlastnej predpojatosti. vy, clovece, este stale zijete
> v ceskoslovensku. pre ostatnych je ulahcenim, ze historia
> sa v tom bode pohla dopredu (bez toho, aby ste si to vsimli).
Som rad, ze ste vsetko pochopili :-).
Ivan Lescak
>Uz som to nedavno chcel i nacat... co takto debatovat o privatizacii
>najvacsich slovenskych penaznych ustavoch - Slov. sporitelne, Slov.
>poistovne, VUB a Inv. a rozvojovej banke. Na slovensky sposob - maju to
>privatizovat najvacsi dlznici. Kedze sa jedna cca o 300 miliard korun a su v
Debatovat mozete kolko chcete, ale nikto z tych, co o tom rozhodli,
o tom debatovat nemieni. Nakoniec, Meciar na mitingu otvorene
povedal, ze to privatizuje preto, aby to padlo do ruk Meciarovi,
"a nie Carnogurskemu". Co je v plnom sulade s liniou Jana "Paula" Smolca,
ktory napisal, ze privatizovat maju "statocni podnikatelia - meciarovci".
Jednoducho, ide tu o otvorenu a verejne deklarovanu korupciu.
Roman Pichna
> klubu. Je skutocne vela inych, dolezitejsich veci, o ktorych by sa tu
> malo hovorit.
Ja si myslim, ze to co sa tu diskutuje je menej dolezite ako to,
ze sa tu ludia, kto s vacsim - kto s mensim uspechom, ucia diskutovat.
Preto si myslim, ze obmedzenie diskutovanych tem je dobre
nechat na vkus a uroven prispievatelov.
Roman
Stano Meduna
: George Frajkor <gfra...@CCS.CARLETON.CA> writes:
Z napisov po Bratislave sa mi zatial najviac pozdaval jeden na
opustenom billboarde v Petrzalke, ktory uz niekolko mesiacov
hlasa 'A kat je nevinny ?'.
Zdravi
--
Stano
Igor GAZDIK
"is...@inforamp.net says...
">
">ze sa tu zaoberame uplnymi blbostami?
">I ked, chvala bohu, akutna faza kauzy Gazdik
pan solan: jedna z mala (psychopatickych) kauz tuna je kauza solan
"je uz uspesne za nami (vdaka
">doc. Znasikovi a jeho klubu),
what??? znasik = docent???? clovek s jeho usudkom
moze prinajlepsom byt docentom v materskej skolke.
nenamyslajte si, ze decibely, alebo osobne utoky, prenasobene
poctom su argumenty...
#mam pocit, ze sa tu nadalej zaoberame iba
#>riesenim osobnych urazok a nepodstatnych blbosti...
Boris Rajek
[deleted]
: Presuming Znasik is on this list, I urge him to tell us all --
: before I tell it -- about his incredibly boorish attacks on on Anton
: Hykisch, the Slovak ambassador to Canada, and how spokesmen for both
: the Czech and Slovak communities felt it necessary to dissociate
: themselves from them and to apologize at a public meeting in Ottawa
: before the ambassadors of both republics.
Interesting.
I know nothing about this incident, could you elaborate more?
(E-mail O.K.)
BTW, I am not suprised that Anton Hykisch is a target of
some criticism.
: So don't be surprised at
: his attempt to ridicule Slovaks. It is typical of the behavior of a
: few hatchet-men in the Czechoslovak Assocation (a Czech organization
: with some token slovaks) who are well-known in Canada.
Again: My ignorance:
The "Czechoslovak Association".
May be well-known in Canada, however, myself being in the U.S.,
it is the first time I hear about it.
Can you provide some particulars?
(Like when it was established, etc?)
[deleted]
: Anyone who still speaks of people still living in Czechoslovakia,
: or in Presspurk, would I think automatically show himself to be very
: badly informed.
Well, putting a "form" above the "substance"? :-)
[deleted]
Boris
ra...@netcom.com
Boris Rajek
: ze sa tu zaoberame uplnymi blbostami?
[deleted]
Ale jo!
Avsak: (uplne, alebo neuplne) blbosti su tiez
castou zivota.
ChvalaPanuBohu, na tomto fore sa mozeme rozpravat
aj o "blbostiach", aj o "neblbostiach".
Chapem Vase rozhorcenie a prave si bysi precitajuci
par odpovedi na Vas povodny prispevok,
myslim, ze sa diskusia na tomto fore moze obratit
inym smerom (ktory by ste si mozno priali),
alebo celkom inymi smermi, (o ktorych zatial nevieme).
Prajem Vam uspech v tom, aby sa toto forum venovalo
do vacsej miery "podstatnym" otazkam.
Avsak: Trochu srandy nikdy nezaskodi,
a to, pevne dufam, tu bude furt!
Boris
ra...@netcom.com
Ivo Solan
<gfra...@CCS.CARLETON.CA> wrote:
> Ivo Solan writes:
>
> > ze sa tu zaoberame uplnymi blbostami?
> > I ked, chvala bohu, akutna faza kauzy Gazdik je uz uspesne za nami (vdaka
> > doc. Znasikovi a jeho klubu), mam pocit, ze sa tu nadalej zaoberame iba
> > riesenim osobnych urazok a nepodstatnych blbosti
> Frajkor writes:
> That is probably true. People like Znasik, whose ignorance is
> exceeded only by his arrogance, will no doubt continue to try to
> denigrate and insult anyone whose facts they cannot refute.
> Presuming Znasik is on this list, I urge him to tell us all --
> before I tell it -- about his incredibly boorish attacks on on Anton
> Hykisch, the Slovak ambassador to Canada, and how spokesmen for both
> the Czech and Slovak communities felt it necessary to dissociate
> themselves from them and to apologize at a public meeting in Ottawa
> before the ambassadors of both republics. So don't be surprised at
> his attempt to ridicule Slovaks. It is typical of the behavior of a
> few hatchet-men in the Czechoslovak Assocation (a Czech organization
> with some token slovaks) who are well-known in Canada. (edited)
Ale pozrime sa, pan profesor-demokrat! Vy sa tu VEREJNE VYHRAZATE p.
Znasikovi, ze nanho poviete nieco co VY povazujete za
"boorish attacks". Co si o sebe myslite, ze vy ste ten, ktory urcuje co je
zle a co je dobre? A co to je za blbost s Czechoslovak Association? To
mate odkial tieto nepodlozene lzi? Netliapajte tu falosne obvinenia!!!!
Ukazte dokazy a prestante sa vyhrazat!!!!!!
>
> > A este jedna vec vam, ktori zijete v Ceskoslovensku...prepacte, stare
> > struktury ... viete co chcem povedat. My, emigranti, sme realtivne dobre
> > informovani o skutocnostiach, ktore sa tam pachaju.
>
> Anyone who still speaks of people still living in Czechoslovakia,
> or in Presspurk, would I think automatically show himself to be very
> badly informed.
:-))))))))))))))
Ivan Lescak
> what??? znasik = docent???? clovek s jeho usudkom
> moze prinajlepsom byt docentom v materskej skolke.
> nenamyslajte si, ze decibely, alebo osobne utoky, prenasobene
> poctom su argumenty...
Pan Gazdik, este raz Vas prosim o odpoved na otazku, ktoru som
Vam tu uz vo viacerych formach polozil - a nielen ja, ale odpoved
akosi doteraz chyba.
Kto ste, a co ste vo svojom zivote urobili, ze Vas to opravnuje
neustale urazat druhych a merat ich slovenskost?
Povedzte nam, aka praca za Vami stoji a dava Vam pravo na bohorovne
hodnotenie druhych.
Tomas Drgon
<gfra...@CCS.CARLETON.CA> wrote:
> Ivo Solan writes:
>
> > ze sa tu zaoberame uplnymi blbostami?
> > I ked, chvala bohu, akutna faza kauzy Gazdik je uz uspesne za nami (vdaka
> > doc. Znasikovi a jeho klubu), mam pocit, ze sa tu nadalej zaoberame iba
> > riesenim osobnych urazok a nepodstatnych blbosti
>
> That is probably true. People like Znasik, whose ignorance is
> exceeded only by his arrogance, will no doubt continue to try to
> denigrate and insult anyone whose facts they cannot refute.
> Presuming Znasik is on this list, I urge him to tell us all --
> before I tell it -- about his incredibly boorish attacks on on Anton
> Hykisch, the Slovak ambassador to Canada, and how spokesmen for both
You mean Anton Hykisch, the communistic "poet"? I start to admire Mr. Znasik.
> the Czech and Slovak communities felt it necessary to dissociate
> themselves from them and to apologize at a public meeting in Ottawa
> before the ambassadors of both republics. So don't be surprised at
> his attempt to ridicule Slovaks. It is typical of the behavior of a
> few hatchet-men in the Czechoslovak Assocation (a Czech organization
> with some token slovaks) who are well-known in Canada. Another was
Professore, I see you're fully back. Czechoslovak Association is maybe
the only decent Czech and Slovak organisation on American continent. And
Anton Hykish is a shitkicker.
> Arnost Wagner, who has thankfully departed Canada and set up shop in
> Brno. Evidence of his Slovakness. Just to let you all know who we
> are dealing with here.
>
Biased bullshit. Why shouldn't he go where he wants to?
> This list is not elitist. It serves as an exchange medium for any
> ideas concerning Slovakia. Those who do not wish to participate in
> discussions on hot dogs, folksongs, placenames, jokes, politics or
> philosophy are not obliged to. People can respond to whatever thread
> interests them and should not be subject to bring brow-beaten by
> someone else who feels his taste is the only legitimate one.
>
Nice to hear this from you.
> > Hadat sa o formicky na piesocku? Alebo vyuzit toto jedinecne medzinarodne
> > forum na nieco, co nas vsetkych moze obohatit?
>
> The truth shall make you free.
> It doesn't have to be YOUR truth.
>
dtto
> > A este jedna vec vam, ktori zijete v Ceskoslovensku...prepacte, stare
> > struktury ... viete co chcem povedat. My, emigranti, sme realtivne dobre
> > informovani o skutocnostiach, ktore sa tam pachaju.
>
> Anyone who still speaks of people still living in Czechoslovakia,
> or in Presspurk, would I think automatically show himself to be very
> badly informed.
>
Biased bullshit. (it seems to be your trademark)
> Jan George Frajkor _!_
TD
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Signature under construction...
Tomas Drgon
> igor....@mailbox.swipnet.se (Igor GAZDIK) writes:
>
>
> > what??? znasik = docent???? clovek s jeho usudkom
> Kto ste, a co ste vo svojom zivote urobili, ze Vas to opravnuje
> neustale urazat druhych a merat ich slovenskost?
>
> Povedzte nam, aka praca za Vami stoji a dava Vam pravo na bohorovne
> hodnotenie druhych.
Igor Gazdik stoji v popredi. Za nim stoji Praca.
Ivan Lescak
>Z napisov po Bratislave sa mi zatial najviac pozdaval jeden na
>opustenom billboarde v Petrzalke, ktory uz niekolko mesiacov
>hlasa 'A kat je nevinny ?'.
Mna zas pobavil tento, tiez z Bratislavy (uvadzam v povodnom zneni):
NEPITE VODU, RIBI V NEJ JEBU!
Je naozaj dolezite, aby obcanov niekto varoval ;-)
Jan Gajdos
>
> Anton Pevala <elek...@SAVBA.SAVBA.SK> writes:
>
> >Uz som to nedavno chcel i nacat... co takto debatovat o privatizacii
>
> o tom debatovat nemieni. Nakoniec, Meciar na mitingu otvorene
> povedal, ze to privatizuje preto, aby to padlo do ruk Meciarovi,
> "a nie Carnogurskemu". Co je v plnom sulade s liniou Jana "Paula" Smolca,
> ktory napisal, ze privatizovat maju "statocni podnikatelia - meciarovci".
> Jednoducho, ide tu o otvorenu a verejne deklarovanu korupciu.
>
A "statocny" podnikatel sa moze casom stat "nestatocnym vagabundom",
tak ako sa to "stalo" s J. Majskym (SIPOX zamestnava asi 11000 ludi ...).
Povodne meciarovec, teraz - podla jeho naznakov - jeho aktivity sleduje
SIS, uz vobec asi nie je teda "kamarat" ...
jano
Jan Gajdos
>
> Ale pozrime sa, pan profesor-demokrat! Vy sa tu VEREJNE VYHRAZATE p.
> Znasikovi, ze nanho poviete nieco co VY povazujete za
> "boorish attacks". Co si o sebe myslite, ze vy ste ten, ktory urcuje co je
> zle a co je dobre? A co to je za blbost s Czechoslovak Association? To
> mate odkial tieto nepodlozene lzi? Netliapajte tu falosne obvinenia!!!!
> Ukazte dokazy a prestante sa vyhrazat!!!!!!
>
>
> :-))))))))))))))
>
> I.S.
> --------------------
> (c) Ivo Solan, 1996
> --------------------
>
A Vy ste nas tu, pan Solan, chceli ucit ako diskutovat ...
Radsej zostanem pri "blbej" teme, ako c~i'tat~ taketo vycibrene
prispevky ...
Jan Gajdos
>
> Biased bullshit.
> Nice to hear this from you.
> Professore, I see you're fully back.
^^^^^^^^^^
I can see U2 ... Why do you call George Frajkor
"Professore" ? I'll really appreciate your explanation.
jano
Ivo Solan
To je nadherne!
Ludova tvorba je bezodna. Napada ma prihoda z hokejoveho stadiona Slovana,
ked cela "C" tribuna, rozhorcena nad rozhodcovym rozhodnutim zacala
kricat: "sudca je kokot, sudca je kokot..." Samozrejme, ze sa prestalo
hrat a onen sudca sa isiel stazovat miestnemu oznamovatelovi, ktory za
chvilu vyhlasil cez ampliony, ze ak ludia neprestanu hrubo urazat sudcu,
zapas bude zruseny. A teraz prichadz ta ludova spontannost; za tri sekundy
po tomto ozname, cele cecko zacalo kricat: "sudca je motyl, motyl je
kokot, sudca je motyl, motyl je kokot..."
Ivo Solan
> Ivo Solan (is...@inforamp.net) wrote:
>
> : ze sa tu zaoberame uplnymi blbostami?
Boris Rajek wrote: (edited)
> Chapem Vase rozhorcenie a prave si bysi precitajuci
> par odpovedi na Vas povodny prispevok,
> myslim, ze sa diskusia na tomto fore moze obratit
> inym smerom (ktory by ste si mozno priali),
> alebo celkom inymi smermi, (o ktorych zatial nevieme).
(edited)
Mate uplnu pravdu. Je to dzungla :-)
S pozdravom
Pavel N. Matustik
>
> ze sa tu zaoberame uplnymi blbostami?
... velka cast text vyoperovana kvoli dlzke nie obsahu! :-)
> My, emigranti, sme realtivne dobre
> informovani o skutocnostiach, ktore sa tam pachaju. Piste nam viac
> svoje pocity, pozorovania, konkretne situacie, dojmy, detaily. Myslim,
> ze na zaklade takychto prispevkov sa tu mozu "vyklohnit" debaty, ktore
> maju zmysel.
>
> I.S.
Ivo:
docela rozumiem Tvojmu rozcarovaniu z blbosti a (niekedy) nezmyslov,
ktore sa tu obcas pretriasaju. Neztracaj ducha :-), pravda je, ze bez
obcasnych 'ftakovin' nasich priatelov by sme mohli zahynut na nudu.
Naviac, jejich poucanie a prispevky mi vzdy znovu a znovu pripominaju, ze
ignoranstvo a nadutost skrizena s hlupym nacionalismom este stale tvrdo
prezivaju...
--
pnm
http://www.smartlink.net/~matush/
Ivo Solan
<chem...@SAVBA.SAVBA.SK> wrote:> >
> Ivo Solan pise:
> >
> > Ale pozrime sa, pan profesor-demokrat! Vy sa tu VEREJNE VYHRAZATE p.
> > Znasikovi, ze nanho poviete nieco co VY povazujete za
> > "boorish attacks". Co si o sebe myslite, ze vy ste ten, ktory urcuje co je
> > zle a co je dobre? A co to je za blbost s Czechoslovak Association? To
> > mate odkial tieto nepodlozene lzi? Netliapajte tu falosne obvinenia!!!!
> > Ukazte dokazy a prestante sa vyhrazat!!!!!!
> >
>
> >
> > :-))))))))))))))
> >
>
> Radsej zostanem pri "blbej" teme, ako c~i'tat~ taketo vycibrene
> prispevky ...
Neviem odkial ste, pan Gajdos, nabrali, ze som vas tu chcel ucit ako
diskutovat?
Ale ak sa vas moj prispevok, ci uz formou alebo obsahom dotkol, tak mi je
to luto. Podla mna som adekvatne reagoval na riadky p. Frajkora:
>> Presuming Znasik is on this list, I urge him to tell us all --
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > before I tell it -- about his incredibly boorish attacks on on Anton
^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > Hykisch, the Slovak ambassador to Canada, and how spokesmen for
both.....(edited)
Jan Gajdos
>
> <chem...@SAVBA.SAVBA.SK> wrote:> >
> >
> > A Vy ste nas tu, pan Solan, chceli ucit ako diskutovat ...
> > Radsej zostanem pri "blbej" teme, ako c~i'tat~ taketo vycibrene
> > prispevky ...
>
> Neviem odkial ste, pan Gajdos, nabrali, ze som vas tu chcel ucit ako
> diskutovat?
Napisali ste (necitujem presne !), ze sa tu diskutuju blbosti
a ze by sa konecne malo diskutovat to a to, navrhli ste emigrantom,
co maju robit, roztriedili ste tu ludi na "dobrych" a "zlych" ...
Rudolf Straka
> Ludova tvorba je bezodna. Napada ma prihoda z hokejoveho stadiona Slovana,
> ked cela "C" tribuna, rozhorcena nad rozhodcovym rozhodnutim zacala
> kricat: "sudca je kokot, sudca je kokot..." Samozrejme, ze sa prestalo
> hrat a onen sudca sa isiel stazovat miestnemu oznamovatelovi, ktory za
> chvilu vyhlasil cez ampliony, ze ak ludia neprestanu hrubo urazat sudcu,
> zapas bude zruseny. A teraz prichadz ta ludova spontannost; za tri sekundy
> po tomto ozname, cele cecko zacalo kricat: "sudca je motyl, motyl je
> kokot, sudca je motyl, motyl je kokot..."
....v HZDS je to sam motyl....
======================
Dr. Rudolf STRAKA
str...@sco.medicalh.sk
Women's Clinic
Jesseniuss Medical Faculty, University of Komensky
Faculty Hospital
Martin
Slovak Republic
======================
Ivan Znasik
>"
> what??? znasik = docent???? clovek s jeho usudkom
> nenamyslajte si, ze decibely, alebo osobne utoky, prenasobene
> poctom su argumenty...
>
>
Zmienke o decibeloch, osobnych utokoch a nasobilke nerozumiem.
Zapajam sa do klubu zvedavcov a kladiem naliehavu otazku: Kto
ste Igor Gazdik?
Odhodte falosnu skromnost!
Dost bolo hanblivosti!
Hrdost a sebavedomie nie su nerestou!
KTO STE IGOR GAZDIK?
I.Z.
Rudolf Straka
> dostal do ruk ludom, ktori ho budu spravovat a dotiahnu k prosperite.
> U schopnych podnikov, akymi niektore banky zrejme su, by sa mal tiez snazit
> ziskat predajom co najviac penazi (pokial by teda neslo o nejaku spravodlivu
> formu odskodnenia obcanov, akou bola 1.vlna kuponky).
>
> V uvedenom pripade s bankami si viem splnenie tychto podmienok len tazko
> predstavit, naozaj si myslite, ze sa da takto optimalny kupec najst za tri
> tyzdne? Ak to bolo pripravovane uz davnejsie, preco sa o tom verejnost
> nedozvedela? Privatizuje sa majetok nas vsetkych a o tom akym sposobom
> to bude robit sme bohuzial rozhodli uz v minulych volbach.
>
> --
> Matej Lexa At present: le...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
> Irrigation Research Inst. Dept. of Plant Biolo
You are absolutely right.
A nieco noveho: dnes som pocul Vladina v rozhlase a mietol nieco o zmluve s
Rusmi o dodavke jadroveho paliva pre nase jadrovky. Bol som v labaku, nie
velmi som sa sustredil, ale zda sa mi, ze sa nas /posluchacov/ snazil
presvedcit zas o nezmysle, ze totiz je to najvyhodnejsie, co sme mohli
dostat. Vraj bola vypisana nejaka sutaz /tender/ do ktorej sa prihlasil aj
Westinghouse /ci kdo/, ale neboli ostatni schopni zarucit to co ruska strana
-bezpecnost a pod.- tak sa na nich ani necakalo, a pred sutazou sa to
pridelilo tym zasranym okupantom. Kto uz iny moze nam / a nasim potrebam/
rozumiet lepsie nez ten, kto nas splodil a potom 25 rokov pozoroval zblizka
v klietke.
No, majte sa vsetci pekne, radsej by som bol aj ja na nejakej University of
Hocico niekde v USA, nez v tejto r..i slovenskej.
Pavel N. Matustik
Je skoda, ze vacsina nasich rozpravani sa zvrhava v osobne napadania. Na
druhej strane sa pripajam k otazke KTO JE PAN GAZDIK? Co je totiz (aspon
zatial) na jeho prispevkoch najzaujimavejsie, je jeho suverena
nadradentost nad zbytkom debatujucich. Neschovavam si predchadzajuce
prispevky, ale pokial si dobre vzpominam, pan Gazdik tu nazval niektorych
uzcastnikov paholkami, nulami, prazdnymi sudmi etc. Uctivo sa pripajam k
suplike: pan GAZDIK, prosim, boli by ste taky laskavy a dali nam vediet
kto ste a kde beriete onu istotu o kvalitach ostatnych ucastnikov tejto
NG?
--
pnm
http://www.smartlink.net/~matush/
Pavel Dvorak
> In article <9602022043.AA09485@superior>, George Frajkor
> <gfra...@CCS.CARLETON.CA> wrote:
>
>> Ivo Solan writes:
>>
>> > doc. Znasikovi a jeho klubu), mam pocit, ze sa tu nadalej zaoberame iba
>> > riesenim osobnych urazok a nepodstatnych blbosti
>
>> That is probably true. People like Znasik, whose ignorance is
>> exceeded only by his arrogance, will no doubt continue to try to
>> denigrate and insult anyone whose facts they cannot refute.
>> themselves from them and to apologize at a public meeting in Ottawa
>> before the ambassadors of both republics. So don't be surprised at
>> his attempt to ridicule Slovaks. It is typical of the behavior of a
>> few hatchet-men in the Czechoslovak Assocation (a Czech organization
>
> Ale pozrime sa, pan profesor-demokrat! Vy sa tu VEREJNE VYHRAZATE p.
> Znasikovi, ze nanho poviete nieco co VY povazujete za
> "boorish attacks". Co si o sebe myslite, ze vy ste ten, ktory urcuje co je
> zle a co je dobre? A co to je za blbost s Czechoslovak Association? To
> mate odkial tieto nepodlozene lzi? Netliapajte tu falosne obvinenia!!!!
> Ukazte dokazy a prestante sa vyhrazat!!!!!!
Though I usually disagree with Geoge Frajkor, I think he has a point here,
for two reasons:
(A) The 1993 meeting with the Czech and Slovak ambassadors was not a
suitable forum to attack Anton Hykish personally for whatever he did or
did not do between 1968 and 1989.
(B) It is difficult to judge fairly those who were there while we enjoyed
the safety, though not always the comfort, of the western world. Do we
have any right to do it? Admittedly, I do not know how and where Doc.
Znasik spent those years. Perhaps he has the right, but even then that
meeting was not the right place to exercise it.
PD
###
> >>
>> > A este jedna vec vam, ktori zijete v Ceskoslovensku...prepacte, stare
>> > struktury ... viete co chcem povedat. My, emigranti, sme realtivne dobre
>> > informovani o skutocnostiach, ktore sa tam pachaju.
>>
>> Anyone who still speaks of people still living in Czechoslovakia,
>> or in Presspurk, would I think automatically show himself to be very
>> badly informed.
>
> :-))))))))))))))
Pavel Dvorak
George Frajkor (gfra...@CCS.CARLETON.CA) writes:
>
> The truth shall make you free.
> It doesn't have to be YOUR truth.
>
>
> School of Journalism, Carleton Univ. --!--
> 1125 Colonel By Drive |
> Ottawa, Ontario /^\
> Canada K1S 5B6 /^\ /^\
> gfra...@ccs.carleton.ca / aa...@freenet.carleton.ca
> o: 613 788-7404 fax: 613 788-6690 h: 613 563-4534
Whose truth? Any authoritative definition?
PD
###
Jan Gajdos
>
> No, majte sa vsetci pekne, radsej by som bol aj ja na nejakej University of
> Hocico niekde v USA, nez v tejto r..i slovenskej.
>
Ivo Solan
<chem...@SAVBA.SAVBA.SK> wrote:
Pan Gajdos: moja otazka, "kde ste nabrali, ze som vas chcel ucit ako
diskutovat², bola skor akademicka. Nie je mozne, aby sme sa na tomto bode
dohovorili. Nemal som v umysle niekoho poucovat, ale ak na vas moj pomerne
dlhy prispevok tak posobil, O.K. Je to otazka vykladu.
Dolezitejsie je to, ze sa vam nepacilo, ako som v tej konkretnej situacii
vyletel na pana Frajkora. Opakujem, reagoval som tak preto, lebo jeho
riadky adresovane p. Znasikovi, boli, podla mojho nazoru, podrazom.
George Frajkor
> You mean Anton Hykisch, the communistic "poet"? I start to admire Mr. Znasik.
I mean Anton Hykisch, the nominee of the Christian Democratic
party of Czechoslovak (later Slovak) ambassador to Canada. His
appointment was approved by then-president Vaclav Havel on the urging
of then vicepremier of Czechoslovakia Jan Carnogursky.
> Professore, I see you're fully back. Czechoslovak Association is maybe
> the only decent Czech and Slovak organisation on American continent. And
> Anton Hykish is a shitkicker.
I guess we could use some facts to back this up. Can you
provide a few??
> > Arnost Wagner, who has thankfully departed Canada and set up shop in
> > Brno. Evidence of his Slovakness. Just to let you all know who we
> > are dealing with here.
> Biased bullshit. Why shouldn't he go where he wants to?
No reason. Why do you ask? He could go to Peking if he
wished. I would then draw certain conclusions about his political
leanings, however, as I do from the fact that he moved to Brno and
not, say, Banska Bystrica.
George Frajkor
> Mate uplnu pravdu. Je to dzungla :-)
> S pozdravom
That's democracy for you, Ivo. Get used to idea that there are
different people with different opinions, and different facts than
those you present. The days of the one true faith are gone.
Karl Pollak
>> po tomto ozname, cele cecko zacalo kricat: "sudca je motyl, motyl je
>> kokot, sudca je motyl, motyl je kokot..."
>....v HZDS je to sam motyl....
I ten nejkrasnejsi motyl byl jednou hnusiva housenka ....
Karl Pollak FidoNet 1:153/965
Richmond, B.C. Canadian Infomaticon BBS
Tomas Drgon
<gfra...@CCS.CARLETON.CA> wrote:
> Tomas Drgon writes:
>
> > You mean Anton Hykisch, the communistic "poet"? I start to admire Mr.
Znasik.
>
> I mean Anton Hykisch, the nominee of the Christian Democratic
> party of Czechoslovak (later Slovak) ambassador to Canada. His
> appointment was approved by then-president Vaclav Havel on the urging
> of then vicepremier of Czechoslovakia Jan Carnogursky.
>
And what? Havel appointed also Calfa and Dlouhy. I am a fan of president
Havel, but I do not have to like all his decissions.
> > Professore, I see you're fully back. Czechoslovak Association is maybe
> > the only decent Czech and Slovak organisation on American continent. And
> > Anton Hykish is a shitkicker.
>
> I guess we could use some facts to back this up. Can you
> provide a few??
The fact is for example his very nice self-criticism he published to
separate himself from Prague Spring.
>
> > > Arnost Wagner, who has thankfully departed Canada and set up shop in
> > > Brno. Evidence of his Slovakness. Just to let you all know who we
> > > are dealing with here.
>
> > Biased bullshit. Why shouldn't he go where he wants to?
>
> No reason. Why do you ask? He could go to Peking if he
> wished. I would then draw certain conclusions about his political
> leanings, however, as I do from the fact that he moved to Brno and
> not, say, Banska Bystrica.
>
>
> Jan George Frajkor _!_
Ok. What certain conclusion about your political leanings did you draw
from yourself living in Ottava instead of, say, Prievidza?
Czech and Slovak Service Center
> On Mon, 5 Feb 1996, George Frajkor wrote:
> Jan Gajdos writes:
> > Tomas Drgon wrote:
> > > Professore, I see you're fully back.
> > I can see U2 ... Why do you call George Frajkor
> > "Professore" ? I'll really appreciate your explanation.
> > jano
> It's because, like most Czechophiles, they are only semi-literate.
>
> Jan George Frajkor _!_
<rest of signature deleted>
Words have one advantage, they are flexible in meaning.
So one can argue anything, endlesly.
Of course a swipe at Czechophiles is ment partially as a joke, because no
independent study proves beyond reasonable doubt that there is
established relation between semi-literacy and illness of mind diagnosed
as Czechphilism.
I can only say one thing, that seems to be part of proud assertion of
patriotic pride consistently presented by esteemed gentlemen from School
of Journalism and (precious few) others:
Czechs felt that part of their mental hygiene was to badmouth Germans for
1000 years, since Czech princes realized that local population is not
going to provide any time soon their royal court with tax revenue to compare
with West Eurpoean cousins. Therefore they called EU, ehm, German princes
to send craftsmen and other developers to do the job.
But still too many Czechs (gradually more and more mixed with Germans)
did not like those collonists and patriotically they rised on the
occassions. Even now, while working as a bricklayer in Bavaria,
advertizing rent control apartment Zimmer Frei, representing German
company in the CR or working for one bought by them, this urge for
badmouthing Germans is at unhealthy levels.
And it's despite the fact that bad memory of brother Asian (Russian) is
still present and that their kids and houswifes try to spricht Deutsch.
There are still those who resent Germans. Their standard of living.
So it was a geniue surprise for poor opressed Czechs, that for some time,
definitely after 1918, they have heared from Slovaks that they are
oppressors as well. Remember Masaryk's genocide (who said that?), etc.
They could not believe that! They showed statistics proving how much has
been invested, developed, build, polluted, shut down (arm industry),
disproportionally to GNP in Slovakia.
Germans have probably same claim, what they have made from Czechlands,
from poor region of Sudeten, from Prague. What would be Czech history,
including Kafka and Freud, without Germans.
But, when patriotic fevor comes, and opportunity emerges (victorious
party desire to break-up Austrian Empire after WWI; or vacuuum after
departure of Communism), sure bet is to ride a patriotic horse.
Now we see that the same patriots have no patience for outrageous claims
of Hungarians.
While I call: Hungarians stay firmly for your rights, ethnic pride,
gulash restaurant in every village and for diversity, dullness of
patriotic pride and assertiveness that is still so dear to a fiber of
many really makes my day.
Cheap shots are here to stay, as long as people will buy them.
Did departure of Czecho-Slovakia 75 years ago do good for Czech and Slovaks?
(standard of living, security, etc.?) Will Quebec citizen be better of
after shaking off a yoke of Anglo opression? Is independence and ethnic
asertivity optimal way that boosts productivity, standard of living or at
least makes life more fun?
I do not know.
I doubt that.
Meanwhile intolerant selfrighteous patriotic asseriveness reminds me of
Jessie Jackson and his comments on blue-eyed sawages that can never repay
debt that they inflicted on unfortunate population brought here and kept
here in disgaceful conditions.
I hope that Slovakia, Croatia, etc. inluding Quebec will be new
Switzerland. Because, after patriotic fevor exausts itself, people start
looking around. And they do not - usually - look for allies or partners
in less developed end of the world.
I hope that Czechlands, that claimed (what 60% of industrial production
of A-H Empire, will soon beat Austrians head on. Not in patriotism, but
in the thing that honestly matters to everyone: how high standard of
living we/they have, what we/they can buy, how much fun we/they have.
And if patriotic detour via Panslavism and now part-slavism (see Yugo, etc.)
is the way to promised land, I will eat my hat. Publicly.
rz
Ivo Solan
z ktoreho zahucalo slovenske Å‚talk showË›. Posluchaci telefonovali svoje
otazky istemu clenovi vlady, nepamatam si uz kto to bol, podstatne je, ze
to bol prislusnik HZDS.
Posluchaci mu kladli otazky, ktore sa tykali konkretnych rozhodnuti vlady.
Vzniesli svoje namietky, kritizovali, chceli pocut odpoved. Vo vsetkej
slusnosti a skromnosti.
Ohromujuce bolo, ze spomenuty clen vlady dokazal bravurne neodpovedat ani
na jednu jedinu konkretnu otazku. Stale len opakoval cosi na sposob: mne
nevadi, ze ma kritizujete, pokojne vyjadrite svoj nazor, ved my mame
demokraciu, je to uplne v poriadku, ked nesuhlasite, ja sa nehnevam, ba
prave naopak, s potesenim vas vyzyvam - smelo kritizujte, lebo prave to je
dokazom, ze u nas je demokracia...a podobne. Ked sa nejaky posluchac
snazil tento tok reci clena vlady prerusit a pripomenut, ze uplne chape,
ze ma narok nesuhlasit, ale ze by rad pocul odpoved na svoju konkretnu
otazku tykajucu sa rozhodnutia vlady, moderator ho napomenul, aby
neprerusoval, pretoze clen vlady ma tak isto plne pravo slobodne sa
vyjadrit. A takto to islo dokola. Nikto sa za patnast minut (tolko som to
vydrzal) nedockal konkretnej odpovede! Jedine, co im clen vlady nechutne
pumpoval do hlav bolo, ze je uplne v poriadku nesuhlasit, pretoze u nas je
totalna sloboda a demokracia.
Bolo to sialene.
Ked citam posolstva pana profesora Frajkora, ako:
That's democracy for you, Ivo. Get used to idea that there are
different people with different opinions, and different facts than
those you present. The days of the one true faith are gone,
alebo
The truth shall make you free.
It doesn't have to be YOUR truth,
tak sa mi tento zazitok vybavi v pamati. Povedal som si, ze vam ho napisem
a mozno sa aj dockam noveho, snad este prevratnejsieho posolstva, ktore
nie len mne, ale aj ostatnym cicavcom zijucim na tejto milej planete,
rozsiri obzory poznania natolko, aby sme sa mohli vsetci svorne objat,
odhodlane vzhliadnut k hviezdam a jednohlasne zajasat: konecne nam je to
vsetko jasne!
Ivo Solan
<gfra...@CCS.CARLETON.CA> wrote:
> > > Arnost Wagner, who has thankfully departed Canada and set up shop in
> > > Brno. Evidence of his Slovakness. Just to let you all know who we
> > > are dealing with here.
>
> > Biased bullshit. Why shouldn't he go where he wants to?
>
> No reason. Why do you ask? He could go to Peking if he
> wished. I would then draw certain conclusions about his political
> leanings, however, as I do from the fact that he moved to Brno and
> not, say, Banska Bystrica.
What kind of a conclusion do you draw then from the fact that you live in
Ottawa and not, say, Velke Kapusany?
Pavel N. Matustik
>
> > > Arnost Wagner, who has thankfully departed Canada and set up shop in
> > > Brno. Evidence of his Slovakness. Just to let you all know who we
> > > are dealing with here.
>
> > Biased bullshit. Why shouldn't he go where he wants to?
>
> No reason. Why do you ask? He could go to Peking if he
> wished. I would then draw certain conclusions about his political
> leanings, however, as I do from the fact that he moved to Brno and
> not, say, Banska Bystrica.
> Nothing to do with your discussion, but (personaly) I would always give
preference to Brno in comparison with Banska Bystrica :-)
1. People are frendlier.
2. Vine is better.
3. Artistic scene is more interesting.
4. And both, Bratislava and Viena are closer :-)
Ivan Znasik
Ivan Znasik
>Ivo Solan (is...@inforamp.net) writes:
>> In article <9602022043.AA09485@superior>, George Frajkor
>> <gfra...@CCS.CARLETON.CA> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> s
>
>Though I usually disagree with Geoge Frajkor, I think he has a point here,
>for two reasons:
>
>(A) The 1993 meeting with the Czech and Slovak ambassadors was not a
>suitable forum to attack Anton Hykish personally for whatever he did or
>did not do between 1968 and 1989.
>
>(B) It is difficult to judge fairly those who were there while we enjoyed
>the safety, though not always the comfort, of the western world. Do we
>have any right to do it? Admittedly, I do not know how and where Doc.
>Znasik spent those years. Perhaps he has the right, but even then that
>meeting was not the right place to exercise it.
>
>PD
>###
>
spomenutych rokoch. Na zhodnotenie svojho ucinkovania v tamtom
obdobi by mal mat zariadenie, ktore zvykneme volat svedomim.
Polozil som iba otazku, ci je toto ten pravy zastupca noveho
statu.
[B] Ivan Znasik strvil one roky pomerne romanticky: zavoznik v
Kovosrote, a dobrodruzne: robotnik v Plynostave.
[C] V televizii prave davaju Gulliverove cesty a Gulliver prave
vstupuje do miestnosti s odpovedami. Idem s nim.
I.Z.
Jan Gajdos
> sefom.
Prave preto to aj takto Rudovi pisem :-) . Je "zufaly" zo svojej
pozicie, ale potom ho vobec nechapem, preco okamzite nespakuje kufre
a nejde na tu Univerzitu of Hocico do USA ... Alebo si v kutiku
duse mysli, ze nema schopnosti na to, aby sa tam presadil ?
Teraz je situacia uplne ina, ako ked som chcel v 1986 vycestovat
ja. Postdocke stipko som mal od "mojho profesora" odklepnute uz v 1984,
v ruke som drzal prepaid roundtrip air ticket, takisto od pozyvatela;
od mojej organizacie som potreboval iba neplatene volno !!!
Trvalo mi 2 (dva !) roky, kym som ho dostal ! (Stipendium mi
medzitym skoro prepadlo - kazde 2-3 mesiace som "mojmu" profesorovi
vypisoval, ze uz o 2-3 mesiace pridem; v jednom z poslednych listov,
ktore napisal on mne mi pisal, ze sice chape, ze mozem mat s vycesto-
vanim problemy, ale ze sa mu to uz nejako nezda, ze ci nie je za
tym nieco ine ... Jasne, ze bolo - NEBOL som clenom KSC). Vsetky
schvalovacky, pocinajuc veducim odd. na ustave, riaditelom ustavu,
zahranicnym odborom, 2. oddelenim na predsednictve SAV, predsedom
SAV, ZO KSS na ustave, Obvodnym vyborom KSS, Mestskym vyborom KSS,
Ustrednym vyborom KSS, ... potom este policia, vojsko, StB ...
som nakoniec po tych dvoch rokoch prekonal, a kedze som nechal doma
ZALOHU - manzelku s malym synom - tak som dostal vycestovaciu
dolozku ...
Takze, Rudo, zober sa a cestuj do niektorej z tych zaslubenych
zemi, ked sa tu uz neda vydrzat. Mna prestala politika vzrusovat,
robim si svoju robotu a nemam sa zle. Akurat, ked stretnem nejakeho
priazdnivca HZDS tolko don busim, az kym ho prinajmensom trochu
nezneistim; to je vsetko, co mienim urobit do nasledujucich volieb
(ak nejake budu ;-) :-) ).
jano
George Frajkor
>
> In article <9602052349.AA21819@superior>, George Frajkor
> <gfra...@CCS.CARLETON.CA> wrote:
> > wished. I would then draw certain conclusions about his political
> > leanings, however, as I do from the fact that he moved to Brno and
> > not, say, Banska Bystrica.
> What kind of a conclusion do you draw then from the fact that you live in
> Ottawa and not, say, Velke Kapusany?
I don't have to draw conclusions about myself. But others
might well draw the conclusion that I like Ottawa, probably that I am
a Canadian citizen, and that I like a democratic country like Canada
better than say, Rwanda, Bosnia, Kazakstan, Czechia, or any other
place I probably could have been born in but wasn't.
Jan George Frajkor _!_
School of Journalism, Carleton Univ. --!--
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Igor GAZDIK
>
">Je skoda, ze vacsina nasich rozpravani sa zvrhava v osobne napadania.
"Na
">druhej strane sa pripajam k otazke KTO JE PAN GAZDIK? Co je totiz
"(aspon
">zatial) na jeho prispevkoch najzaujimavejsie, je jeho suverena
">nadradentost nad zbytkom debatujucich.
dobry postreh. ucinok "smart-food"-u?
"Neschovavam si predchadzajuce
">prispevky, ale pokial si dobre vzpominam, pan Gazdik tu nazval
"niektorych
">uzcastnikov paholkami, nulami, prazdnymi sudmi etc.
nic ste nestratili tym, ze si tie prispevky nesetrite.
jedina vec o ktoru ste prisli, su nehorazne vulgarity
(odhliadnuc od osobnych utokov), prednasane ludmi, ktori
zrejme trpia na velmi specificky druh neurozy.
"Uctivo sa pripajam "k
">suplike: pan GAZDIK, prosim, boli by ste taky laskavy a dali nam vediet
">kto ste a kde beriete onu istotu o kvalitach ostatnych ucastnikov tejto
">NG?
vid riadky vyssie. na vasu poziadavku sa mozno vyskytne ina,
sukromna, prilezitost (ja sa obcas zjavim v kalifornii). na
tomto fore je nevhodne vystupovat, ak sa clovek nechce zaradit
do gangu so solanom, znasikom a niektorymi inymi.
Igor GAZDIK
">
">Majster Gazdik brilantne rozhodol kde mozem byt docentom.
">Zmienke o decibeloch, osobnych utokoch a nasobilke nerozumiem.
">Zapajam sa do klubu zvedavcov a kladiem naliehavu otazku: Kto
">ste Igor Gazdik?
">Odhodte falosnu skromnost!
">Dost bolo hanblivosti!
">Hrdost a sebavedomie nie su nerestou!
">
">KTO STE IGOR GAZDIK?
">I.Z.
">
pan znasik, niektori z ludi, ktorych pravdepodobne stretavate
v cechoslovackej krcme v toronte, ma tuna titulovali menej
lichotivymi titulmi ako vy. no napriek tomu, nepokladam za
potrebne ist tak daleko, ako predstavovat sa vam. pokladam to za
o to menej potrebne, ze mne je uplne jasne, kto ste vy. a toto
mam iba z vasich duchaplnych prispevkov, ktorymi ste sa tuna
zacali prezentovat. precital som si niektore z tych, ktore casovo
nasleduju (kedze sa sem pozeram iba 2-3 razy za tyzden).
ubezpecujem vas, ze otazka mojho intelektu (a inych atributov)
je dobre dokumentovana, takze sa o ne nemusite obavat. chcel
by som vas tiez uistit, ze ja som zvyknuty pohybovat sa v
protivetre. z toho dovodu sa mi zdalo velmi zabavne, ked vas
zbrojnos solan tuna siril chyry o tom, ako sa mu podarilo likvidovat
(co on nazyval) kauzu gazdik. asi mu nenapadlo, ze keby sa niekto
blizsie pozrel na kauzu solan, tak by sa mu asi poriadne parilo
z kecky. jedina vec, ktora mi vrta hlavou je, v ktorej discipline
vy mozete byt docentom (ako tvrdi p. solan), kedze vasa kovosrotova
minulost je stale dobre viditelna. vale.
Igor GAZDIK
says...
>
#> Takze, Rudo, zober sa a cestuj do niektorej z tych zaslubenych
#>zemi, ked sa tu uz neda vydrzat. Mna prestala politika vzrusovat,
#>robim si svoju robotu a nemam sa zle. Akurat, ked stretnem nejakeho
#>priazdnivca HZDS tolko don busim, az kym ho prinajmensom trochu
#>nezneistim; to je vsetko, co mienim urobit do nasledujucich volieb
#>(ak nejake budu ;-) :-) ).
#>
#>jano
vase rady sa mi zdaju zbytocne. ten kto ma nieco za (presnejsie
medzi) usami, nepotrebuje nadavat a o veciach snivat. on ich robi.
u niektorych inych je to opacne.
Ivan Lescak
> vase rady sa mi zdaju zbytocne. ten kto ma nieco za (presnejsie
> medzi) usami, nepotrebuje nadavat a o veciach snivat. on ich robi.
> u niektorych inych je to opacne.
Fajn. Nuz, povedzte nam, co robite Vy.
Ivo Solan
GAZDIK) wrote:
> vid riadky vyssie. na vasu poziadavku sa mozno vyskytne ina,
> sukromna, prilezitost (ja sa obcas zjavim v kalifornii). na
> tomto fore je nevhodne vystupovat, ak sa clovek nechce zaradit
> do gangu so solanom, znasikom a niektorymi inymi.
Pan Gazdik: navrhujem, aby sme nechali osobne utoky a pripadne sa bavili o
veciach tykajucich sa Slovenska.
Tomas Drgon
> In article <3116CC...@smartlink.net>, mat...@smartlink.net says...
> "Uctivo sa pripajam "k
> ">suplike: pan GAZDIK, prosim, boli by ste taky laskavy a dali nam vediet
> ">kto ste a kde beriete onu istotu o kvalitach ostatnych ucastnikov tejto
> ">NG?
>
> vid riadky vyssie. na vasu poziadavku sa mozno vyskytne ina,
> sukromna, prilezitost (ja sa obcas zjavim v kalifornii). na
> tomto fore je nevhodne vystupovat, ak sa clovek nechce zaradit
> do gangu so solanom, znasikom a niektorymi inymi.
Dajte vediet. Pridem sa pozriet na to zjavenie.
:)))
TD
Tomas Drgon
Sem-tam sa zjavuje v kalifornii.
;)
TD
Ross Hedvicek
>From: tom...@bdg10.niddk.nih.gov (Tomas Drgon)
>Subject: Re: Nezda sa vam?
>Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 22:07:34 GMT
>In article <9602052349.AA21819@superior>, George Frajkor
><gfra...@CCS.CARLETON.CA> wrote:
>> Tomas Drgon writes:
>>
>> > You mean Anton Hykisch, the communistic "poet"? I start to admire Mr.
>Znasik.
>>
>> I mean Anton Hykisch, the nominee of the Christian Democratic
>> party of Czechoslovak (later Slovak) ambassador to Canada. His
>> appointment was approved by then-president Vaclav Havel on the urging
>> of then vicepremier of Czechoslovakia Jan Carnogursky.
>>
>And what? Havel appointed also Calfa and Dlouhy. I am a fan of president
>Havel, but I do not have to like all his decissions.
>
>> > Professore, I see you're fully back. Czechoslovak Association is maybe
>> > the only decent Czech and Slovak organisation on American continent. And
>> > Anton Hykish is a shitkicker.
>>
>> I guess we could use some facts to back this up. Can you
>> provide a few??
>The fact is for example his very nice self-criticism he published to
>separate himself from Prague Spring.
>>
>> > > Arnost Wagner, who has thankfully departed Canada and set up shop in
>> > > Brno. Evidence of his Slovakness. Just to let you all know who we
>> > > are dealing with here.
>>
>> > Biased bullshit. Why shouldn't he go where he wants to?
>>
>> No reason. Why do you ask? He could go to Peking if he
>> wished. I would then draw certain conclusions about his political
>> leanings, however, as I do from the fact that he moved to Brno and
>> not, say, Banska Bystrica.
>>
>>
>> Jan George Frajkor _!_
>Ok. What certain conclusion about your political leanings did you draw
>from yourself living in Ottava instead of, say, Prievidza?
>TD
>--
>Signature under construction...
Neco na dane tema :-)))
------
Na tema komunisty utiskovanych kapacit jsem se vyjadril uz
mnohokrat, takze sem navic jen bouchnu jeden muj zapomenuty
clanek z 3. unora 1993 - Vysel v POLYGONU (a nekolika dalsich
publikacich) a jmenoval se "SEDI PAN V RECEPCI, TESI SE NA
RECEPCI..." (a je bestie porad aktualni):
Casy se meni a my s nimi, pravi lidova moudrost. Nekteri se
meni min, nekteri vic. Rad bych se zminil o druhem extremu.
Casopis POLYGON, cislo 8/92 (prosinec 1992) se na strane 16
zminuje o novem (tehdy ceskoslovenskem, dnes jen slovenskem)
velvyslanci v Kanade Antonu Hykischovi. Autorem clanku je Arnost
Wagner, clovek duveryhodny, ktery uz se prokazal v minulosti,
neni treba pochybovat o tom, co rika.
Cituji (original prilozen): "(Anton Hykisch) je spisovatel.
Je take tvurcem VYZVY ZA SAMOSTATNE SLOVENSKO a jako budouci
slovensky velvyslanec samozrejme vyhovuje Meciarovi. Co je
zajimave na tomto "diplomatovi" s nekolikadennim skolenim, je
jeho celkem neznama osobnost a take to, ze se jako spisovatel
dostal do vseobecneho naucneho slovniku (ILUSTROVANY
ENCYKLOPEDICKY SLOVNIK z roku 1980), ve kterem diky zemepisu,
fyzice, marxismu-leninismu a biologii je pro spisovatele jenom
velice malo vzacneho mista. Spisovatelu je tam tak malo, ze se ve
slovniku neuvadeji skutecni spisovatele jako Dominik Tatarka a
jini. Anton Hykisch - nas ceskoslovensky velvyslanec v Kanade -
musel byt tedy u vladcu v sedmdesatych letech mimoradne dobre
zapsan, kdyz se dostal mezi laureaty a nositele Nobelovych cen
svoji do te doby jedinou znamou prozou 'Pravda neznama'."
Precetl jsem si to a pomyslel: Co jineho taky muzeme od tech
v Ceskoslovensku cekat? Prece nam sem neposlou slusne lidi, no
ne? A dal jsem na to nemyslel.
Pred par dny jsem ale obdrzel pozvanku na recepci v Toronte,
poradany Kanadsko-slovenskou obchodni komorou (ktera je k memu
prekvapeni soucasti panem Batou financovane
Kanadsko-ceskoslovenske obchodni komory) na pocest tehoz pana
Hykische, tentokrat Jeho Excelence Velvyslance Slovenske
Republiky Antona Hykische. A byl tam i kratky a dojemny
zivotopis. V prekladu zni takto:
"Velvyslanec Anton Hykisch se narodil v roce 1932 a byl
uveznen komunistickymi vladci kdyz mu bylo 17. Pozdeji vystudoval
bratislavskou Vysokou skolu ekonomickou a pracoval jako ekonom v
ruznych podnicich. Pote venoval svou pozornost literature. Jeho
prvni kniha byla na prikaz cenzury znicena. Od te doby publikoval
vice nez 15 knih. Jako novinar navstivil EXPO '67 v Montrealu a
vydal knihu "CANADA IS NO JOKE" (Kanada neni zadny vtip) a byl
kritizovan komunistickymi novinami za to, ze chvalil zapadni
kapitalismus. V roce 1968 aktivne podporoval Dubcekovy reformy
pro coz byl, po ruske okupaci, odvolan ze vsech funkci a nemel
dovoleno vydavat zadne knihy a clanky. V listopadu 1989, po
Sametove revoluci, se stal reditelem vydavatelstvi, byl zvolen do
Slovenskeho narodniho shromazdeni v roce 1990, byl predsedou
Vyboru pro vzdelani, vedu a kulturu, Sdruzeni slovenskych
spisovatelu, Slovenskeho hlavni kancelare PEN Clubu." Tot vse -
do slova a do pismene.
Takze - napred chudaka pana Hykische komunisti zavreli, ale
pak mu dovolili vystudovat Vysokou ekonomickou skolu! Takovych
tedy nebylo moc! To je ale fikane! To mu to udelali obzvlast
tezke! Jak to ti komousi ty lidi trapili, ze?
Hned potom mu zcenzurovali a znicili jeho prvni knihu, ale
pak mu dovolili publikovat jeste 15 dalsich! To je jeste
fikanejsi! Takove utrpeni! Hotovy mucednik!
Pak ho donutili navstivit EXPO'67 (asi jako pomstu za tu
prvni zcenzurovanou knihu) a uverejnit pochvalnou knihu na
zapadni kapitalismus. No to je strasne, co to tomu panu
velvyslanci udelali! A ja blbec jsem si myslel, ze jedini
novinari, co meli pred rokem 1968 dovoleno navstivit cizinu a pak
o tom jeste napsat knihu, mohli byt jen zatvrzeli komuniste (jako
treba pan Dienstbier v roce 1965 a jeho kniha o Indonesii).
A vrcholem vseho jsou ta utrpeni po ruske okupaci! To by
jste lidi neverili: Oni vam mu zakazou publikovat knihy i clanky,
a on ten geroj Hykisch nejen ze se nacpe do encyklopedickeho
slovniku, ale navic jeste navzdory vsemu napise knihu "Pravda
neznama" (protoze je asi jediny, kdo vi, jaka ta pravda, nam
neznama, byla. Jak strasne byl pan Hykisch utiskovan v
sedmdesatych a osmdesatych letech se asi (pro jistotu) nedozvime.
My si tu muzeme akorat rozpitvavat tezko stravitelny a neuplny
[20 let chybi] zivotopis).
Kdyz jsem byl mlady hoch v Ceskoslovensku (zhruba v dobe kdy
komousi utiskovali pana Hykische tim, ze ho posilali na EXPO'67
do Montrealu), potkali jsme jednou na prochazce s pribuznym
predsedu mistniho JZD (Jednotne zemedelske druzstvo - pro ty co
nevi co to je!) a zeptal jsem se pribuzneho, jaky ten "predseda"
je. Pribuzny byl starsi clovek, leccos uz videl a poucil mne: "A
toz to on je zas dobry komunista! Za valky byl u Hitlerjugend a u
zlutych a ted je u komunistu. A kdyby to tu nahodou zase zabrali
Turci a Tatari, tak z neho bude mohamedan".
Vyseuvedena epizoda se mi vybavila (ani nevim proc), kdyz
jsem byl pozvan na recepci s panem velvyslancem.
Jake z toho plyne pouceni:
a) Pan Hykisch velvyslancuje pro Slovenskou republiku (jejiz
obcanem jsem nikdy nebyl), je tedy statnim prislusnikem jine zeme
a me je po tom houby, jak ho utiskovali. Copak jsem Amnesty
International?
b) I kdyz je tedy pan Hykisch pro mne cizincem, presto bych si z
neho mohl vzit priklad a tvrdit, ze jsem vyseuvedene radky nikdy
nenapsal (kdyz se mi to nebude hodit do kramu), nebo naopak ze
napsal (to kdyz se mi to bude hodit).
c) Kdyz se jeste casem naucim modlit se po mohamedansky a
vykrikovat "Allah bismillah! Muhammad rassulu Allah! Allah
akbar!" mohl bych to treba jeste nekdy dotahnout az na
velvyslance. Treba Iracke demokraticke republiky. A porad by se
naslo dost zblbnutych a barvoslepych krajanu po celem
severoamerickem kontinentu, co by se citili pocteni, kdybych je
pozval na recepci.
----------
To byl konec clanku o utiskovanem panu velvyslanci. Jako dalsi
dodatek(co uz v puvodnim clanku nebylo): Pan velvyslanec Hykisch
byl tak komunisty utiskovan, ze psal i kadrove posudky na knihy
Jaroslava Foglara, jako ze jestli jsou vhodne pro socialistickou
mladez nebo ne. Jake posudky vydal Hykisch o Foglarovi se moc
nevi, ale Foglar se nevydaval - to se zase vi. Svuj usudek
(nikoliv posudek) si udelejte sami. Pise o tom (a hojne cituje)
kniha Stanislava Sohra o Jaroslavu Foglarovi "uz zase zni pisen
uplnku" vydana uz v roce 1968.
Kdysi se rikalo: "Rekni mi co ctes, ja ti reknu kdo jsi" - tohle
pravidlo je dnes uz bohuzel k nicemu. Dnes musite rict: "Rekni mi
kde a kdy jsi studoval - a ja ti reknu kdo jsi!"
Rosta Hedvicek
Stefan Klein
> > vid riadky vyssie. na vasu poziadavku sa mozno vyskytne ina,
> > sukromna, prilezitost (ja sa obcas zjavim v kalifornii). na
> > tomto fore je nevhodne vystupovat, ak sa clovek nechce zaradit
> > do gangu so solanom, znasikom a niektorymi inymi.
>
> Dajte vediet. Pridem sa pozriet na to zjavenie.
>
Posli potom fotku. Uz som si davno nic neramoval.
caf
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KLEIN Stefan Ing. Institute of Computer Technology
kl...@ccsun.tuke.sk B.Nemcovej 3, 040 00 Kosice, Slovakia
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Neber zivot prilis vazne, aj tak sa z neho zivy nedostanes.
Medzinarodne centrum pre studium rodiny
hoci sa mi v minulosti nepacili vase posty o komunistoch na savbe a vase
rozne "skodolibe" posmesky, musim povedat, ze Vas post o kanadskom
velvyslancovi SR sa mi velmi pacil. Ja som podvedome tusil, ze je vo Vas
viac. A neberte to prosim Vas ako naivne podlizanie. Vsak sa este urcite v
buducnosti dostaneme do nazoroveho sporu. Ale chcel som Vam to povedat.
S pozdravom R. Dyda
Rudolf Straka
> Rudolf Straka pise:
> >
> > No, majte sa vsetci pekne, radsej by som bol aj ja na nejakej University of
> > Hocico niekde v USA, nez v tejto r..i slovenskej.
> >
> Rudo, nezufaj a buduj ! :-)
He he, ja na to moc nie som, aj ten kapitalizmus by som chcel hlavne preto,
ze /niektorych asi napajedim/ v tom systeme by som musel zo seba vydavat
rozhodne menej na dosiahnutie rovnakeho standardu. Hm, skromny a lenivy.
Ale o inom, dnes ma pan Breiner krasny list z Toronta v SME, a opat majster
slova /a hudby :-)/trafil hus tak, ze by sa podla vsetkych noriem uz nemala
zmoct ani na zagaganie. My tu mame ale fest odolne gees.
Takze ak mate moznost, kuknite na URL co ma SME, a uvidite ze mam pravdu.
Mimochodom, k podstate tam rozoberaneho problemu - metropolita nielen ze
pekne "according to party line" pokaral mileho kazatela- tusim Balasza,
ale /a opat presne v sulade so stylom nasich oficialnych chrunov/ jednym
dychom priznal, ze on tu kazen vlastne nepocul. Ale ked to chce Vlado a
strana, preco by ich nepocuvol, ved oni mu isto nechcu zle. Ani cirkvi. Ani
krestanom., Ani vlastne nikomu. Myslim si, ze som priemerny krestan, bozieho
trestu sa bojim /kazdy ma cosi na rovasi/, ale nech sa ten arcibiskup strci
volakde, mozno v tej diere este najde stanovy Pacem in Terris.
Pre tych co toto citaju a nemaju sajn o com to je - furt o jednom. A ak
tomu nerozumiete - nevadi, vacsina z vas je kdesi mimo, ale ja som tu, tu
platim dane a vselijake odvody, a tiez vobec nerozumiem...
P.S. Najnemoralnejsiu vladu na svete ma Slovensko - to nie je moj zurivy
vypad, ale implikacia zakona prijateho bandou parlamentom nazyvanou tot
nedavno. Otazne je, co so zakonom o nemoralnosti komunistickeho rezimu
spravi zakon na ochranu republiky. Lebo hoci podla jedneho su to nemoralni
chrapuni, podla druheho bude trestne im to pripominat.
======================
Dr. Rudolf STRAKA
str...@sco.medicalh.sk
Women's Clinic
Jesseniuss Medical Faculty, University of Komensky
Faculty Hospital
Martin
Slovak Republic
======================
Matus Uhlar
-> Ivan Znasik wrote:
-> > KTO STE IGOR GAZDIK?
->
-> Je skoda, ze vacsina nasich rozpravani sa zvrhava v osobne napadania. Na
-> druhej strane sa pripajam k otazke KTO JE PAN GAZDIK?
JA sa tiez pridavam, a rozsirujem otazku na:
Kto je vlastne kto ?
Co keby sme sem vsetci poslali co-to o sebe aby sme sa lepsie poznali ?
Aby som zacal...
Mam 20 rokov, byvam v Kosiciach, som systemak na regionalnom uzle SANETu na
UVT TU v Kosiciach, pracujem tu dva roky, spravujem news server, a okrem
toho robim vselico ine. Vzdelanie mam stredoskolske uplne (Gymnazium
Srobarova 1 Kosice) a idem na vysku (FEI TUKE, informatika a vypoctova
technika - uz som tam bol ale je to NUDA...)
Tak je to von...niekto musi zacat a ked som to uz navrhol...
Kto ma pozna moze daco dodat, ak uzna za vhodne. z vobec vsetci o vsetkych
(nie ohladom veci tu na klube, prosim, uz je tu toho dost)
--
Matus Uhlar at Regional node of SANET in Kosice, Slovakia
E-mail: Matus...@tuke.sk WWW: http://www.tuke.sk/users/uhlar
IRC: fantomas PGP: finger uh...@ccnews.ke.sanet.sk | pgp
...I'd like to add something cool here, but I don't know what ;-)
George Frajkor
>
> 2-6-96 Richard Zeman wrote:
> Of course a swipe at Czechophiles is ment partially as a joke, because no
> independent study proves beyond reasonable doubt that there is
> established relation between semi-literacy and illness of mind diagnosed
> as Czechophilism.
True, there are no good studies done yet. Actually, if you
don't let anyone in on my secret, I am using the Slovak-l list as a
research tool in this respect and collecting the postings. So far 100
per cent of the postings by Czechophiles show they are semi-literate.
Correlation score is 1. ^^^
Must be because so many of them are musicians.
Matej Lexa
>Kto je vlastne kto ?
>Co keby sme sem vsetci poslali co-to o sebe aby sme sa lepsie poznali ?
Volaju ma Mato, mam 29 a dve deti.
Skoncil som Agronomicku fakultu v Nitre a od leta 1992
studujem biologiu rastlin na Univ of Illinois. Inak by sa dalo povedat, ze som
z Bratislavy, aj ked byvam v Samorine. Bavi ma lyzovanie, turistika, orientacny
beh, matematicke modely a programovanie. Za znamku a obalku odpisem kazdemu
(just kidding).
Pripajam sa tymto k Matusovej vyzve. Ozdravi to prostredie. A informovani toho
na nas aj tak vedia viac.
--
Matej Lexa At present: le...@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Irrigation Research Inst. Dept. of Plant Biology
Bratislava, SLOVAKIA University of Illinois, Urbana-Champaign
********************** "There's only one kind of music." ***********************
Miki Hermann
|> Teraz je situacia uplne ina, ako ked som chcel v 1986 vycestovat
|> ja. Postdocke stipko som mal od "mojho profesora" odklepnute uz v 1984,
|> v ruke som drzal prepaid roundtrip air ticket, takisto od pozyvatela;
|> od mojej organizacie som potreboval iba neplatene volno !!!
|> Trvalo mi 2 (dva !) roky, kym som ho dostal ! (Stipendium mi
|> medzitym skoro prepadlo - kazde 2-3 mesiace som "mojmu" profesorovi
|> vypisoval, ze uz o 2-3 mesiace pridem; v jednom z poslednych listov,
|> ktore napisal on mne mi pisal, ze sice chape, ze mozem mat s vycesto-
|> vanim problemy, ale ze sa mu to uz nejako nezda, ze ci nie je za
|> tym nieco ine ... Jasne, ze bolo - NEBOL som clenom KSC). Vsetky
|> schvalovacky, pocinajuc veducim odd. na ustave, riaditelom ustavu,
|> zahranicnym odborom, 2. oddelenim na predsednictve SAV, predsedom
|> SAV, ZO KSS na ustave, Obvodnym vyborom KSS, Mestskym vyborom KSS,
|> Ustrednym vyborom KSS, ... potom este policia, vojsko, StB ...
|> som nakoniec po tych dvoch rokoch prekonal, a kedze som nechal doma
|> ZALOHU - manzelku s malym synom - tak som dostal vycestovaciu
|> dolozku ...
Ooo, to mi nieco silne pripomina! Lenze ja som nemal iba post-doc ale
uplne normal klasicke vyskumne miesto, sice iba na rok, ale bolo mi
povedane, ze ked sa osvedcim, tak... Skratka, som tu uz deviaty rok a
mam "tenure" (pre neznalych: definitivu). Tiez som skusil prekonat tuto
nezmyselnu postupnost, ale dostal som negativnu odpoved uz na druhom
stupni: riaditel vyskumneho ustavu resp. kadrovnik (ktory zhodou
okolnosti bol riaditelovym bratrancom). Bolo mi povedane, ze sice
vyskumne laboratorium vo Francuzsku moze ponuknut hostovacie vyskumne
miesto niekomu z vyskumneho ustavu v Bratislave, ale kto pojde na to
miesto, o tom rozhodne vedenie ustavu v Bratislave. Po tomto nadhernom
vysvetleni sme si kupili zajazd do Juhoslavie, kupil som ojazdenu Skodu
120L, zobral som manzelku a 3-rocnu dceru, pobudli sme 12 dni pri
Jadrane v Opatii (krasna dovolenka), v Zahrebe na rakuskom konzulate sme
si zobrali rakuske viza a na francuzskom konzulate vo Viedni nas uz
cakali vsetky papiere, ani do Traiskirchenu sme nemuseli ist.
Pekne pozdravujem vsetkych tych, ktori to urobili podobnym sposobom.
--
Miki HERMANN | Tel: (work) (33) 83 59 30 88
CRIN (CNRS) & INRIA-Lorraine | Fax: (33) 83 27 83 19
BP 239 |
F-54506 VANDOEUVRE-les-NANCY Cedex FRANCE | E-mail: Miki.H...@loria.fr
George Frajkor
> Na tema komunisty utiskovanych kapacit jsem se vyjadril uz
> mnohokrat, takze sem navic jen bouchnu jeden muj zapomenuty
> clanek z 3. unora 1993 - Vysel v POLYGONU (a nekolika dalsich
> publikacich) a jmenoval se "SEDI PAN V RECEPCI, TESI SE NA
> RECEPCI..." (a je bestie porad aktualni):
>
> Casy se meni a my s nimi, pravi lidova moudrost. Nekteri se
> meni min, nekteri vic. Rad bych se zminil o druhem extremu.
>
> Casopis POLYGON, cislo 8/92 (prosinec 1992) se na strane 16
> zminuje o novem (tehdy ceskoslovenskem, dnes jen slovenskem)
> velvyslanci v Kanade Antonu Hykischovi. Autorem clanku je Arnost
> Wagner, clovek duveryhodny, ktery uz se prokazal v minulosti,
> neni treba pochybovat o tom, co rika.
As for whether Arnost Wagner is trustworthy, I think we
have some serious differences of opinion here. For those who do not
know him, he was the executive director of the Communist Youth League
cultural home in Bratislava before coming to Canada as an enlightened
and liberal democrat. While here, he had no fixed job and lived
partly on welfare and partly on unknown sources of funds.
He maintained contacts with the Soviet military through
his first wife, who had a very good friend in the Soviet Navy whom she
and they would occasionally visit -- in russia, Canada and
Czechoslovakia. He was such a good friend that the
wife eventually abandoned Arnost and ran away with the Russian guy.
Arnost used to run a Czech-language TV broadcast on cable here
which attacked Slovaks and members of the Slovak community so much
that (a) he got sued (b) the cable company took the program off the
air as it is Canadian policy to encourage cooperation between ethnic
groups, not to encourage enmity.
This was a serious embarassment to the Czech community which
has never had a program get back to air in Ottawa since. The Slovak
program is going into its 15th year now. (Which, of course, proves
that Slovaks are all a bunch of xenophobic, racist, nationalist,
trouble-makers while the Czechs are liberal and democratic).
Wagner was the leader in a campaign
against Rudolf Schuster (because he was communist) the first
ambassador here after the revolution; Anton Hykisch (Christian
Democrat, but not hard enough anti-normalization (the second ambassador);
Vladimir Meciar (hard enough anti normalization, but not strong enough
pro-Czech) and Jan Carnogursky (Christian Democrat and strong enough
pro-Czech, but not strong enough against anti-semites). In short, a
constant campaign against Slovaks of any kind, if the were not
outright pro-Czech/.
Some of us got the
impression from this that he was sent here to
stir up constant enmity between the communities, since that is exactly
what he did.
He wrote a lot for the Czech newspaper in Toronto Novy Domov and
his stuff was reprinted in Lidove Noviny, which has since been the
source for the Czechophile community in Slovakia for all sorts of
really silly things like: Slovak nationalists in Canada promised
millions of dollars investment if Slovakia became independent; Slovak
nationalists poured millions of dollars into the election campaign on
behalf of the SNS and HZDS; Slovak nationalists bought off witnesses
who would have testified to war crimes accusations... etc.
I hear these ideas in Slovakia all the time, taken as gospel by
those who don't know what the source was. I am constantly amazed at
what Czechophiles will believe.
> Cituji (original prilozen): "(Anton Hykisch) je spisovatel.
> Je take tvurcem VYZVY ZA SAMOSTATNE SLOVENSKO a jako budouci
> slovensky velvyslanec samozrejme vyhovuje Meciarovi. Co je
> zajimave na tomto "diplomatovi" s nekolikadennim skolenim, je
> jeho celkem neznama osobnost a take to, ze se jako spisovatel
> dostal do vseobecneho naucneho slovniku (ILUSTROVANY
> ENCYKLOPEDICKY SLOVNIK z roku 1980), ve kterem diky zemepisu,
> fyzice, marxismu-leninismu a biologii je pro spisovatele jenom
> velice malo vzacneho mista. Spisovatelu je tam tak malo, ze se ve
> slovniku neuvadeji skutecni spisovatele jako Dominik Tatarka a
> jini. Anton Hykisch - nas ceskoslovensky velvyslanec v Kanade -
> musel byt tedy u vladcu v sedmdesatych letech mimoradne dobre
> zapsan, kdyz se dostal mezi laureaty a nositele Nobelovych cen
> svoji do te doby jedinou znamou prozou 'Pravda neznama'."
> Precetl jsem si to a pomyslel: Co jineho taky muzeme od tech
> v Ceskoslovensku cekat? Prece nam sem neposlou slusne lidi, no
> ne? A dal jsem na to nemyslel.
This is quite typical of what I have described as 'boorish
attacks ' by Wagner (and Znasik) and I am glad Rosta posted it. I
think it makes my point.
( continuing quotes from Wagner re Hykisch :)
> Takze - napred chudaka pana Hykische komunisti zavreli, ale
> pak mu dovolili vystudovat Vysokou ekonomickou skolu! Takovych
> tedy nebylo moc! To je ale fikane! To mu to udelali obzvlast
> tezke! Jak to ti komousi ty lidi trapili, ze?
> Hned potom mu zcenzurovali a znicili jeho prvni knihu, ale
> pak mu dovolili publikovat jeste 15 dalsich! To je jeste
> fikanejsi! Takove utrpeni! Hotovy mucednik!
I gather you all see the irony of this. Hykisch is, naturally, a
sellout because the Communist censors permit his books to be
published.
On the other hand, Wagner's hero Milan Markovic is a
fighting liberal democrat because the Communist censors permit his
programs (all the way to 1989) to go to air.
(continuing Wagner's stuff on Hykisch):
> c) Kdyz se jeste casem naucim modlit se po mohamedansky a
> vykrikovat "Allah bismillah! Muhammad rassulu Allah! Allah
> akbar!" mohl bych to treba jeste nekdy dotahnout az na
> velvyslance. Treba Iracke demokraticke republiky. A porad by se
> naslo dost zblbnutych a barvoslepych krajanu po celem
> severoamerickem kontinentu, co by se citili pocteni, kdybych je
> pozval na recepci.
I don't think I even need to comment on not only the
boorishness of such writing, but the racism and the arrogance. Once
again, I thank Rosta for posting it.
> Kdysi se rikalo: "Rekni mi co ctes, ja ti reknu kdo jsi" - tohle
> pravidlo je dnes uz bohuzel k nicemu. Dnes musite rict: "Rekni mi
> kde a kdy jsi studoval - a ja ti reknu kdo jsi!"
Wagner's formation and jobs were with the Union of Socialist
Youth. Same as Meciar.
I described Wagner and Znasik as hatchetmen for the anti-slovak
elements in the Czechoslovak Association. I stand by that description.
Anton Pevala
[...]
>
> I don't have to draw conclusions about myself. But others
> might well draw the conclusion that I like Ottawa, probably that I am
> a Canadian citizen, and that I like a democratic country like Canada
> better than say, Rwanda, Bosnia, Kazakstan, Czechia, or any other
~~~~~~~~
> place I probably could have been born in but wasn't.
>
[...]
Takze vam teraz ako "czechophile" nahram na smec. Preco ste do tohoto zoznamu
nezaradili Slovensko? V Cechach je vacsia demokracia - o tom mozete sice
pochybovat, a pravdepodobne mi tu uvediete spustu "dokazov", ale staci
myslim porovnat vysielanie ceskych televiznych stanic s nasimi a je to
pomerne jasne. Spravidla to tak byva, ze z menej demokratickej krajiny
odchadzaju vyznamne osobnosti do tej viac demokratickej a nikdy nie naopak.
Ten zoznam necham na niekoho druheho. Hadzat Cesku republiku do jednoho
vreca s Rwandou a Bosnou obzvlast vtedy ak ceske parametre Slovensko nedosahuje
nesvedci prilis o vasom prehlade - snad ako novinar by ste ho mali mat lepsi.
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On Thu, 8 Feb 1996, George Frajkor wrote:
> > 2-6-96 Richard Zeman wrote:
>
> > Of course a swipe at Czechophiles is ment partially as a joke, because no
> > independent study proves beyond reasonable doubt that there is
> > established relation between semi-literacy and illness of mind diagnosed
> > as Czechophilism.
>
> True, there are no good studies done yet. Actually, if you
> don't let anyone in on my secret, I am using the Slovak-l list as a
> research tool in this respect and collecting the postings. So far 100
> per cent of the postings by Czechophiles show they are semi-literate.
> Correlation score is 1. ^^^
> Must be because so many of them are musicians.
>
>
> Jan George Frajkor
To close discussion on using semi-literacy as one of signs to identify
Czechophiles and enjoying joke about that, did all of you noticed that
there are no (NO) jokes on deprived, unfortunate etc.?
Looking at popular culture (married with Children, etc.), cracks that
pepper politicians' speeches, speakers at your company's meeting,
anywhere where a bunch of people gathers. No one (PUBLICLY) makes joke
about women, about minorities, about beggars or those with who are on a
"wrong end" as far as fortune is concern.
What it tells me, that when one feels that it is an OK to make jokes on
excpense of Czechophiles, it's sign that they (in this case Czechophiles)
are mighty or powerfull and it's acceptable to make them target of insults.
Since teasing and child-age cruelties at elementary school yard, no
adult makes public joke about disadvantage person or a group.
That's how I read this "just-fun" and "harmless" joke.
rz
George Frajkor
>
> Pavel N. Matustik (mat...@smartlink.net) wrote:
> -> Ivan Znasik wrote:
> -> > KTO STE IGOR GAZDIK?
> ->
> -> Je skoda, ze vacsina nasich rozpravani sa zvrhava v osobne napadania. Na
> -> druhej strane sa pripajam k otazke KTO JE PAN GAZDIK?
> JA sa tiez pridavam, a rozsirujem otazku na:
>
> Kto je vlastne kto ?
The most famous cartoon of our modern telecommunications era is
the one in the New Yorker where a dog at a computer keyboard is
telling another dog: "On the internet, on one knows you're a dog."
(We all know, for example, that all of Drgon's postings are
written by his pet frog, but it took a long time to find that out)
Peter Breiner
>
>> Of course a swipe at Czechophiles is ment partially as a joke, because no
>> independent study proves beyond reasonable doubt that there is
>> established relation between semi-literacy and illness of mind diagnosed
>> as Czechophilism.
>
> True, there are no good studies done yet. Actually, if you
>don't let anyone in on my secret, I am using the Slovak-l list as a
>research tool in this respect and collecting the postings. So far 100
>per cent of the postings by Czechophiles show they are semi-literate.
>Correlation score is 1.
>
> Jan George Frajkor _!_
Ziadam vsetkych ostatnych hudobnikov na liste, aby sa prihlasili. A ak sa
ziadni neprihlasia, nezostane mi, nez zobrat tuto poznamocku osobne, aj
ked partially ako joke. Uz sa tesim! ;-)
--
Peter Breiner
(pbre...@interlog.com)
http://www.interlog.com/~pbreiner/pbh.htm
Pavel N. Matustik
<first part nuked>
>
> I don't have to draw conclusions about myself. But others
> might well draw the conclusion that I like Ottawa, probably that I am
> a Canadian citizen, and that I like a democratic country like Canada
> place I probably could have been born in but wasn't.
>
> School of Journalism, Carleton Univ. --!--
Mr. Jan George Frajkor :
Congratulation, you finally did it! I've been reading your postings for
some time now. Once in a while I even agreed with you, and trying to be
objective: you sometime make sense. However, your absolute disregard for
Czech Republic (that's the official name of that state, and you have not
earned the right to call HER Czechia) is stupendous. I deeply regret
your remark, and PROMISE TO EVERYONE in this NG that I will NEVER try to
defend you against any criticisms. Your remark is lower than ... guess.
Mr. Frajkor, bag it and eat it!
Pavel N. Matustik
Peter Hakel
> >research tool in this respect and collecting the postings. So far 100
> >per cent of the postings by Czechophiles show they are semi-literate.
> >Correlation score is 1.
>
> > Must be because so many of them are musicians.
> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > Jan George Frajkor _!_
>
> Ziadam vsetkych ostatnych hudobnikov na liste, aby sa prihlasili. A ak sa
> ziadni neprihlasia, nezostane mi, nez zobrat tuto poznamocku osobne, aj
> ked partially ako joke. Uz sa tesim! ;-)
Pocita sa aj 7 rokov hrania na klaviri v LSU napriek nevyraznym
vysledkom? :-)
Peter Hakel
Jozef Simek
> Ross Hedvicek writes:
[deleted]
> On the other hand, Wagner's hero Milan Markovic is a
> fighting liberal democrat because the Communist censors permit his
> programs (all the way to 1989) to go to air.
Sorry George I don't agree.
Ak niekto trochu uznava nejakych reformnych komunistov (Dubcek),
tak by nemal az tolko nadavat aj na takeho Markovica.
Ved keby bol taka 'obluda', tak preco by v jeho rozhlasovom
a TV programe po r. 1989 vystupovali Havel, Meciar, Carnogursky,
Weiss, historik Pavel Dvorak a dalsi?
A 60% ludi zo Slovenska by sledovalo relaciu nejakeho 'odkundesa'?
Asi nie.
Asi ani ten Breiner by kazdemu tam nehral na klaviri.
RND (Radosinske naivne divadlo), kde bol okolo 15 (?) rokov,
si sice vystupovalo ako kocovne divadlo po republike, ale
vidiet nejake ich vystupenia v TV akosi nebolo mozne; strana
a vlada zrejme nemala zaujem, aj ked to boli oblubene veci.
Takze by som Markovica tak velmi neodsudzoval, ved stacilo by,
keby hral tak ako by pani z HzDS, ci SNS piskali a hned
by mal aj 10 TV programov mesacne a nie ako ten 1, co mu
'zatrhli'.
Ako niekto poznamenal k nemu - jeho TV programy boli zname tym,
ze ak tam vystupil nejaky minister, tak bol v kratkom case
odvolany z funkcie. A v tom poslednom programe
sa toto otocilo proti jemu samemu :-).
Jozef Simek
si...@savba.sk
Ivan Lescak
> (We all know, for example, that all of Drgon's postings are
>written by his pet frog, but it took a long time to find that out)
Naozaj, vyrok hodny novinara a cloveka, ktory sa vsade ohana
tym, ze pravda oslobodzuje. Zaujimave, ze Vam, pan profesor
sa na slobodu vobec nechce.
Peter Breiner
>George Frajkor wrote :
>
>> Ross Hedvicek writes:
>[deleted]
>> On the other hand, Wagner's hero Milan Markovic is a
>> fighting liberal democrat because the Communist censors permit his
>> programs (all the way to 1989) to go to air.
>
>Sorry George I don't agree.
>Ak niekto trochu uznava nejakych reformnych komunistov (Dubcek),
>tak by nemal az tolko nadavat aj na takeho Markovica.
..the rest deleted...
Nie v tom je hlavny problem. Mohli by sme velmi dlho diskutovat, ci je
moralnejsie nasrat si (a kolegom) na hlavu tak ako to po 68. urobil
Hykisch, alebo byt clenom strany tak ako bol Markovic. U obidvoch je to
problem...mozno by som pripisal Markovicovi nejake kladne bodiky za
spravanie sa pred revoluciou - napriek tomu, ze bol clen strany, myslim,
ze znacne prispel k zmene klimy na Slovensku. Ovela viac nez Hykisch
(kedy sa objavil na scene - ??) alebo pan profesor Frajkor.
Ale to este stale nie je point.
Markovic nesiel reprezentovat Slovensko ako jeho oficialny zastupca do
Kanady. Tak. A tadialto uz nejde vlak. Pan profesor si musi uvedomit, ze
ci ho sem vymenoval Havel, Carnogursky alebo Jozko Mrkvicka, nic nemeni
na tom, ze je moralne zavadny a nevhodny na reprezentaciu. Basta.
Presne tak ako absolvent fasistickeho kurzu nemoze byt ministrom.
Markovic nie je ani velvyslanec, ani minister.A preto by ho pan profesor
ako spravny akademik nemal porovnavat s ludmi ktori ministrami a
velvyslancami su.
Nehovorim uz o Hykischovom slavnom citate v jeho slavnej reportazi z
posobenia v Kanade, ktory (keby bol trosku prevetrany v kanadskej
tlaci)by mu asi sposobil vyrazne problemy.
(pre obcerstvenie pamati: "...Slovaci...chodili na posmech do jazykovych
kurzov s cernochmi, Cinanmi, Arabmi...")
[btw, pan profesor...toto je ten skaredy chrobacik, ktory som mal na
mysli - zeby bol pan Hykisch klavirista??]
George Frajkor
>
> George Frajkor wrote :
>
> > Ross Hedvicek writes:
> [deleted]
> > On the other hand, Wagner's hero Milan Markovic is a
> > fighting liberal democrat because the Communist censors permit his
> > programs (all the way to 1989) to go to air.
> Ak niekto trochu uznava nejakych reformnych komunistov (Dubcek),
> tak by nemal az tolko nadavat aj na takeho Markovica.
...
I think you are not following my argument, Jozef.
. We were discussing Wagner's attacks on Hykisch.
I was trying to point out that Wagner
attacks Hykisch for allegedly accommodating to the Communist censorial
regime, but does not attack Markovic for doing exactly the same
thing. Why not? This is my constant theme here. Why are Slovaks
constantly being attacked for doing exactly what the Czechophiles and
Czechs do, for which they get praised? Tiso/ Benes. Hykisch/
Markovic. Kovacs/ Havel. Slobodnik/ Feldek. That is the issue -- the
double standard of judgement.
Markovic's popularity or lack of it, and his personal opinions or
his guest list, are immaterial to the argument. I am not quarreling
with him or his programming.
Jan George Frajkor _!_
School of Journalism, Carleton Univ. --!--
Matej Lexa
>thing. Why not? This is my constant theme here. Why are Slovaks
>constantly being attacked for doing exactly what the Czechophiles and
>Czechs do, for which they get praised? Tiso/ Benes. Hykisch/
>Markovic. Kovacs/ Havel. Slobodnik/ Feldek. That is the issue -- the
>double standard of judgement.
Poznate ceske rceni: Kdyz dva delaji totez, neni to vzdy totez(alebo tak nejak)?
Ono asi to lomitko predsa len nebude rovnitko.. :-)
George Frajkor
>
> George Frajkor wrote:
> <first part nuked>
> > better than say, Rwanda, Bosnia, Kazakstan, Czechia, or any
> other^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > place I probably could have been born in but wasn't.
>
> Congratulation, you finally did it! I've been reading your postings for
> some time now. Once in a while I even agreed with you, and trying to be
> objective: you sometime make sense. However, your absolute disregard for
> Czech Republic (that's the official name of that state, and you have not
> earned the right to call HER Czechia) is stupendous.
Hmm. Never even occurred to me that there is something wrong with
calling it Czechia. The official name of Slovakia is Slovak republic
and the official name of America is the United States of America
but no one takes offence at using the contraction. Do the Czechs not
like Czechia? What IS the contraction?
(everyone called it Czechoslovakia even when the official name
was the Czech and Slovak Federative Republic, for example).
> defend you against any criticisms. Your remark is lower than ... guess.
> Mr. Frajkor, bag it and eat it!
It's too low for me to reach down. My arthritis is gettting to me
these cold days.
Tomas Drgon
<pbre...@interlog.com> wrote:
> George Frajkor <gfra...@CCS.CARLETON.CA> wrote:
> >Czech and Slovak Service Center writes:
> >>
> >> 2-6-96 Richard Zeman wrote:
> >
> >> Of course a swipe at Czechophiles is ment partially as a joke, because no
> >> independent study proves beyond reasonable doubt that there is
> >> established relation between semi-literacy and illness of mind diagnosed
> >> as Czechophilism.
> >
> > True, there are no good studies done yet. Actually, if you
> >don't let anyone in on my secret, I am using the Slovak-l list as a
> >research tool in this respect and collecting the postings. So far 100
> >per cent of the postings by Czechophiles show they are semi-literate.
> >Correlation score is 1.
>
> > Must be because so many of them are musicians.
> >^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > Jan George Frajkor _!_
>
> Ziadam vsetkych ostatnych hudobnikov na liste, aby sa prihlasili. A ak sa
> ziadni neprihlasia, nezostane mi, nez zobrat tuto poznamocku osobne, aj
> ked partially ako joke. Uz sa tesim! ;-)
>
>
> --
> Peter Breiner
Ja som uplne konsternovany z toho, ako ten Jan George poznal ze som
muzikant, ked mam v adrese NIH???
:))))
TD
Ivan Lescak
> I think you are not following my argument, Jozef.
If there's anything to follow.
> . We were discussing Wagner's attacks on Hykisch.
> I was trying to point out that Wagner
>attacks Hykisch for allegedly accommodating to the Communist censorial
>regime, but does not attack Markovic for doing exactly the same
>thing. Why not?
Why? He has right to think that Mr. X is an asshole, while Mr. Y isn't.
>This is my constant theme here.
We know.
>Why are Slovaks
>constantly being attacked for doing exactly what the Czechophiles and
>Czechs do, for which they get praised?
Because it's you who decides who's Slovak and who's Czechophile.
>Tiso/ Benes. Hykisch/
>Markovic. Kovacs/ Havel. Slobodnik/ Feldek. That is the issue -- the
>double standard of judgement.
No. It is a standard of free opinion. Everybody has the right to have
his/her/its opinion on each of these persons. You are the person who
put up these parallels. So, at first you create a systemization of your
choice, and then you ask, why is it so? The answer is simple: because
you did put it this way.
> Markovic's popularity or lack of it, and his personal opinions or
>his guest list, are immaterial to the argument. I am not quarreling
>with him or his programming.
You are making it immaterial, to turn him into a flat image,
a "case". It's something what obsesses you for months, if not
for years.
But remember, some time ago you wrote that (Markovic and Feldek)
"were kicking people out of the Communist Party". Months passed,
and you aren't able to present anything to support this accusation...
Ross Hedvicek
>From: Peter Breiner <pbre...@interlog.com>
>Subject: Re: Nezda sa vam?
>Markovic nesiel reprezentovat Slovensko ako jeho oficialny zastupca do
>Kanady. Tak. A tadialto uz nejde vlak. Pan profesor si musi uvedomit, ze
>ci ho sem vymenoval Havel, Carnogursky alebo Jozko Mrkvicka, nic nemeni
>na tom, ze je moralne zavadny a nevhodny na reprezentaciu. Basta.
>Presne tak ako absolvent fasistickeho kurzu nemoze byt ministrom.
>Markovic nie je ani velvyslanec, ani minister.A preto by ho pan profesor
>ako spravny akademik nemal porovnavat s ludmi ktori ministrami a
>velvyslancami su.
>Nehovorim uz o Hykischovom slavnom citate v jeho slavnej reportazi z
>posobenia v Kanade, ktory (keby bol trosku prevetrany v kanadskej
>tlaci)by mu asi sposobil vyrazne problemy.
>(pre obcerstvenie pamati: "...Slovaci...chodili na posmech do jazykovych
>kurzov s cernochmi, Cinanmi, Arabmi...")
>[btw, pan profesor...toto je ten skaredy chrobacik, ktory som mal na
>mysli - zeby bol pan Hykisch klavirista??]
>--
>Peter Breiner
>(pbre...@interlog.com)
>http://www.interlog.com/~pbreiner/pbh.htm
No na tohle EL PROFESSORE bude urcite dustojne mlcet.... :-))))
Rosta
Janotka, Pavol
om doteraz. Prikladam jedno "prislovie": Koho chcel Pan Boh potrestat, spravil
ho ucitelom.Koho chcel potrestat viacej, spravil ho ucitelom hudby. A dokladam:
koho chcel potrestat najviac, spravil ho profesionalnym, neinteligentnym, hudob
nikom. To preto, ze mu tak poradili. Radca po jeho jeho pravici, ktory sa tam s
amozvane postavil a este sa k tomu na tomto fore aj priznal. Paul
Karl Pollak
>Volaju ma Mato, mam 29 a dve deti.
Gratulujem
>Pripajam sa tymto k Matusovej vyzve. Ozdravi to prostredie. A informovani toho
>na nas aj tak vedia viac.
Sorry boys, me spis pripada jako kadrovani.
Karl Pollak FidoNet 1:153/965
Richmond, B.C. Canadian Infomaticon BBS
George Frajkor
>
> George Frajkor <gfra...@CCS.CARLETON.CA> writes:
> > We were discussing Wagner's attacks on Hykisch.
> > I was trying to point out that Wagner
> >attacks Hykisch for allegedly accommodating to the Communist censorial
> >regime, but does not attack Markovic for doing exactly the same
> >thing. Why not?
> Why? He has right to think that Mr. X is an asshole, while Mr. Y isn't.
No one questions anyone's rights to an opinion.
But it is right to question the logic or the motives
of someone who openly says that
Mr. X, who sucks up to the Communists, is an asshole; while Mr. Y.,
who sucks up the Communists, is NOT an asshole.
> > Why are Slovaks
> >constantly being attacked for doing exactly what the Czechophiles and
> >Czechs do, for which they get praised?
> Because it's you who decides who's Slovak and who's Czechophile.
It would be nice if I had that power, but unfortunately most of
the people we are discussing have labelled themselves voluntarily or
in their writings or by their actions without waiting
for me to decide. In some cases simple citizenship applies.
> > Tiso/ Benes. Hykisch/
> >Markovic. Kovacs/ Havel. Slobodnik/ Feldek. That is the issue -- the
> >double standard of judgement.
> No. It is a standard of free opinion. Everybody has the right to have
> his/her/its opinion on each of these persons.
There is opinion and there is deduction from fact.
Don't mix the two.
Joe Schlunk and Joe Blow both go around killing cats. Your
opinion may be that getting rid of pesty cats is a good idea. Mine may
be that it is cruel and should be punished. We have both the right to
an opinion.
But if you can simultaneously propose that Joe Schlunk should be
honored for killing cats and Joe Blow should be hanged for killing
cats, there is something wrong with either your motives or your
thinking. You might justifiably be accused of hypocrisy, prejudice,
ignorance, nepotism, or self-interest.
> You are the person who
> put up these parallels. So, at first you create a systemization of your
> choice, and then you ask, why is it so? The answer is simple: because
> you did put it this way.
I would love to take credit for having invented the syllogism,
and deductive reasoning, but this was invented a long time
ago by the Greeks and is part of the standard curriculum of education.
The Markovic case is indeed a good example of the kind of
thinking I am trying to combat. Every argument Wagner has made
against Hykisch (and more) applies to Markovic.
> But remember, some time ago you wrote that (Markovic and Feldek)
> "were kicking people out of the Communist Party". Months passed,
> and you aren't able to present anything to support this accusation...
Ivan, go back to the original thread and you will see that you
have misinterpreted this. I am not going into it on this list as it is
a waste of everyone's time. we can talk about it privately after you
have found the originals.
George Frajkor
> Ja som uplne konsternovany z toho, ako ten Jan George poznal ze som
> muzikant, ked mam v adrese NIH???
> :))))
> TD
It's your pet frog. He has been betraying your secrets.
George Frajkor
>
> In article <4ffpch$g...@steel.interlog.com> Peter Breiner
> <pbre...@interlog.com> writes:
> >From: Peter Breiner <pbre...@interlog.com>
> >Subject: Re: Nezda sa vam?
> >Date: 9 Feb 1996 15:31:29 GMT
>
> >Markovic nesiel reprezentovat Slovensko ako jeho oficialny zastupca do
> >Kanady. Tak. A tadialto uz nejde vlak. Pan profesor si musi uvedomit, ze
> >ci ho sem vymenoval Havel, Carnogursky alebo Jozko Mrkvicka, nic nemeni
> >na tom, ze je moralne zavadny a nevhodny na reprezentaciu. Basta.
(text deleted)
> No na tohle EL PROFESSORE bude urcite dustojne mlcet.... :-))))
> Rosta
Why should I?
I simply disagree with Breiner that we judge morality
differently for those who picked the right political party and the
winning side and those who bet wrong.
Every argument used against Hykisch can be used almost in
toto against someone like Markovic or Feldek. If you want to argue
that they are all gutless, self-serving, sycophantic hypocrites, the
evidence is similar for all three.
The fact that two of them made the wrong guesses, backed the
wrong political parties and got no diplomatic appointments is
immaterial to a judgment of their moral character. Would you
seriously argue that Feldek is a hero today because he DIDN'T get the
job of culture minister (which he wanted) but would be morally
undeserving of it had he got it?
Hykisch, at least, doesn't go around pretending to be
morally superior to other Slovaks and setting himself up as judge. As
an ambassador, he has done a lot more to help the cause of Slovakia
than either of the other two.
There is a factual error in Breiner's posting. 'Absolvent' to
my recollection means someone who passed a course of study.
Presuming Breiner is referring to Slobodnik -- he was
expelled from the school after three weeks for refusing to wear a
German uniform. If Breiner is referring to someone else, let me
know.
Igor GAZDIK
"is...@inforamp.net says...
">
">In article <4faruj$p...@mn5.swip.net>, igor....@mailbox.swipnet.se
"(Igor
">GAZDIK) wrote:
">
">Pan Gazdik: navrhujem, aby sme nechali osobne utoky a pripadne sa
"bavili o
">veciach tykajucich sa Slovenska.
">
">I.S.
">--------------------
">(c) Ivo Solan, 1996
">--------------------
neviem ci by ste to zvladli, kedze vase prispevky na 94,7%
obsahuju osobne utoky bud na jednu osobu, alebo na druhu.
ked som sa pred skoro 10 mesiacmi zapojil do sledovania
tejto skupiny, tiez som si predstavoval, ze sa tam bude jednat
o slovensku. v skutocnosti sa jedna o akysi mur narekov...
Igor GAZDIK
"says...
">
"> Jan George Frajkor _!_
"> School of Journalism, Carleton Univ. --!--
"> 1125 Colonel By Drive |
"> Ottawa, Ontario /^\
"> Canada K1S 5B6 /^\ /^\
"> gfra...@ccs.carleton.ca / aa...@freenet.carleton.ca
"> o: 613 520-7404 fax: 613 520-6690 h: 613 563-4534
this is a great and highly informative contribution. it should,
however, have been published much earlier. many of us do not
know the background of the people living in canada and only
instinctively feel a revulsion when reading their stuff...
Roman Kanala
> m-l...@ux7.cso.uiuc.edu (Matej Lexa) wrote:
>
>>Volaju ma Mato, mam 29 a dve deti.
>
> Gratulujem
>
>>Pripajam sa tymto k Matusovej vyzve. Ozdravi to prostredie. A informovani toho
>>na nas aj tak vedia viac.
>
> Sorry boys, me spis pripada jako kadrovani.
Treba tiez vidiet, ze niektori z nas dostali pridelene dost nevhodne
priezvisko a nemozu za to...
Roman Kanala
Ivan Lescak
>Ivan Lescak writes:
>>
>> George Frajkor <gfra...@CCS.CARLETON.CA> writes:
>> > We were discussing Wagner's attacks on Hykisch.
>> > I was trying to point out that Wagner
>> >attacks Hykisch for allegedly accommodating to the Communist censorial
>> >regime, but does not attack Markovic for doing exactly the same
>> >thing. Why not?
>> Why? He has right to think that Mr. X is an asshole, while Mr. Y isn't.
> No one questions anyone's rights to an opinion.
> But it is right to question the logic or the motives
>of someone who openly says that
>Mr. X, who sucks up to the Communists, is an asshole; while Mr. Y.,
>who sucks up the Communists, is NOT an asshole.
Maybe he has different opinion on who was sucking what.
>> Because it's you who decides who's Slovak and who's Czechophile.
> It would be nice if I had that power,
You have that power - by now it influences only one man, Jan G. Frajkor,
but that could be enough for you.
> Joe Schlunk and Joe Blow both go around killing cats. Your
>opinion may be that getting rid of pesty cats is a good idea. Mine may
>be that it is cruel and should be punished. We have both the right to
>an opinion.
> But if you can simultaneously propose that Joe Schlunk should be
>honored for killing cats and Joe Blow should be hanged for killing
>cats, there is something wrong with either your motives or your
>thinking. You might justifiably be accused of hypocrisy, prejudice,
>ignorance, nepotism, or self-interest.
We're still waiting for you to prove that Joe Schlunk is killing cats,
i.e. that "Markovic was kicking people out of the Communist party",
> The Markovic case is indeed a good example of the kind of
>thinking I am trying to combat. Every argument Wagner has made
>against Hykisch (and more) applies to Markovic.
It would be so, if you proved that Markovic and Hykisch were comparable.
I can't remember any "progressive" motion of Hykisch before 1989.
On the other side, Markovic's shows belong to one of factors which
helped to wake people up from letargy. But you know little of that,
so I wonder how you can judge.
>> But remember, some time ago you wrote that (Markovic and Feldek)
>> "were kicking people out of the Communist Party". Months passed,
>> and you aren't able to present anything to support this accusation...
> Ivan, go back to the original thread and you will see that you
>have misinterpreted this.
No. You were talking about people "who were kicking other out of
Communist Party" and when I asked, who were they, you named Feldek
and Markovic. So, prove what you said. You know, this is serious
accusation and you need to prove it, or at least to excuse yourself.
Now, YOU have the possibility to EXCUSE YOURSELF, so don't waste it.
Ivan Lescak
>> <pbre...@interlog.com> writes:
>> >From: Peter Breiner <pbre...@interlog.com>
>> >Subject: Re: Nezda sa vam?
>> >Date: 9 Feb 1996 15:31:29 GMT
>>
>> >Markovic nesiel reprezentovat Slovensko ako jeho oficialny zastupca do
>> >Kanady. Tak. A tadialto uz nejde vlak. Pan profesor si musi uvedomit, ze
>> >ci ho sem vymenoval Havel, Carnogursky alebo Jozko Mrkvicka, nic nemeni
>> >na tom, ze je moralne zavadny a nevhodny na reprezentaciu. Basta.
>....
>(text deleted)
>> No na tohle EL PROFESSORE bude urcite dustojne mlcet.... :-))))
>> Rosta
> Why should I?
> I simply disagree with Breiner that we judge morality
>differently for those who picked the right political party and the
>winning side and those who bet wrong.
Did Breiner say that "we judge morality differently for those
who picked the right political party and the winning side and those
who bet wrong" ?
NO! So, do not put this argument to his mouth. He said: there
is difference between a normal citizen and a representative
of a country. While you don't need to care whether citizen X
was an active member of KSC, you have to care if he's an ambassador.
> Every argument used against Hykisch can be used almost in
>toto against someone like Markovic or Feldek.
Big error. Markovic is not an ambassador, or any member of state
administration. We do not pay Markovic from our taxes, while we
do pay Hykisch.
Pan profesor, stale diskusiu odvraciate od podstatneho:
1. Hykisch je velvyslanec SR.
2. Obcania SR maju pravo byt zastupovani co najlepsimi ludmi
a to aj po moralnej stranke. Maju pravo sa pytat, maju pravo
dostat odpovede.
3. Ak pan Hykisch povedal, ze lutuje, co vtedy urobil a dnes sa na to
pozera inac, malo by to stacit na to, aby sa vec uzavrela a dalej
sa prihliadalo len na vysledky prace pana Hykischa.
4. Hykischov problem nema nic spolocne s obcanmi Markovicom a Feldekom,
aspon nie dovtedy, kym sa tito nestanu predstavitelmi statu.
Preto prosim nezatahujte do veci neustale Feldeka a Markovica,
ktorych ste verejne obvinili z niecoho, co neviete dokazat.
Koniec koncov, Hykisch bude aj tak coskoro vystriedany, kedze uz
znacne "presluhuje".
Ivo Solan
> Koniec koncov, Hykisch bude aj tak coskoro vystriedany, kedze uz
> znacne "presluhuje".
Mozeme iba dufat :-), ze podobne stretnutie, ake sa uskutocnilo s panom
Hykischom, sa usporiada aj s novym panom velvyslancom. Svorne tam vsetci
zavitame, pan profesor Frajkor sa za vacsinu z nas v mene Slovakov
ospravedlni, a pojdeme domov. A potom sa tu o tom, ako to "naozaj" bolo,
mozeme bavit dalsi rok ci dva :-)
Matej Lexa
>Treba tiez vidiet, ze niektori z nas dostali pridelene dost nevhodne
>priezvisko a nemozu za to...
K tomu len tolko, ze s MOJIM priezviskom je vsetko v poriadku :-)
Tomas Drgon
<gfra...@CCS.CARLETON.CA> wrote:
>
> (We all know, for example, that all of Drgon's postings are
> written by his pet frog, but it took a long time to find that out)
>
>
> Jan George Frajkor _!_
Quack...
Preklad: Kvak...
TD
Ivan Znasik
> I simply disagree with Breiner that we judge morality
>differently for those who picked the right political party and the
>winning side and those who bet wrong.
> Every argument used against Hykisch can be used almost in
>toto against someone like Markovic or Feldek. If you want to argue
>that they are all gutless, self-serving, sycophantic hypocrites, the
>evidence is similar for all three.
> The fact that two of them made the wrong guesses, backed the
>wrong political parties and got no diplomatic appointments is
>immaterial to a judgment of their moral character. Would you
>seriously argue that Feldek is a hero today because he DIDN'T get the
>job of culture minister (which he wanted) but would be morally
>undeserving of it had he got it?
>
> Hykisch, at least, doesn't go around pretending to be
>morally superior to other Slovaks and setting himself up as judge. As
>an ambassador, he has done a lot more to help the cause of Slovakia
>than either of the other two.
>
> There is a factual error in Breiner's posting. 'Absolvent' to
>my recollection means someone who passed a course of study.
> Presuming Breiner is referring to Slobodnik -- he was
>expelled from the school after three weeks for refusing to wear a
>German uniform. If Breiner is referring to someone else, let me
>know.
>
>
> Jan George Frajkor _!_
> School of Journalism, Carleton Univ. --!--
> 1125 Colonel By Drive |
> Ottawa, Ontario /^\
> Canada K1S 5B6 /^\ /^\
> gfra...@ccs.carleton.ca / aa...@freenet.carleton.ca
> o: 613 520-7404 fax: 613 520-6690 h: 613 563-4534
Absolvent je kazdy, kto nieco absolvoval. Cokolvek. Napriklad
tri tyzdne teroristickeho kurzu. Svojrazna pripustna medza
tolerancie pre ministra. Nie obrany, ci vnutra, ale hned
kultury.
K ing. Hykischovi; Ak ma ktokolvek napadnutelnu skvrnu na
svojej minulosti, nema co hladat ani na ministerskom, ani na
ambasadorskom kresle. Mal by sa v clivom ustrani pozhovarat so
svojim svedomim. Ak nejake ma. Ak nie, moze predsa razne,
chlapsky a priamo privatizovat na Slovensku. Nie je pravdou, ze
Anton Hykisch nepredstiera moralnu bezuhonnost. Na spominanom
stretnuti s krajanmi v Ottawe, musel nezainteresovany posluchac
od uzasu onemiet, ked pocuval zivotopis velvyslanca Hykischa.
I.Z.
fra...@bnr.ca
<< boorish attacks on Slovak ambassador Mr. Hykisch by Mr. Znasik
I was also at that meeting with 2 ambassadors. Boorish behaviour of Mr. Znasik
was perpetrated by quoting to Mr. Hykisch what Mr. Hykisch wrote in Slovak
newspaper. I asked one of the Czech organizers, Mr. Suchma, if he
remembers apologizing to anybody on behalf of then Czechoslovak Association.
He says no apologies were needed and none were rendered.
By the way, Mr. Frajkor missed name change. There is no Czechoslovak Association anymore. Its name was changed in November 1995 to Czech and Slovak Association.
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>Mr Frajkor writes:
><< boorish attacks on Slovak ambassador Mr. Hykisch by Mr. Znasik
>
>I was also at that meeting with 2 ambassadors. Boorish behaviour of Mr. Znasik
>was perpetrated by quoting to Mr. Hykisch what Mr. Hykisch wrote in Slovak
>newspaper. I asked one of the Czech organizers, Mr. Suchma, if he
>remembers apologizing to anybody on behalf of then Czechoslovak Association.
>He says no apologies were needed and none were rendered.
>
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Smolec/Johnson. Teraz by ste este mali pouzit oblubeny argument
Slovenskej Republiky: "V mojom clanku sice bolo 75% nepravdy, ale bolo
tam aj 25% pravdy a to nie je taky zly pomer!"
Ivo Solan
sa ospravedlnili na ottawskom stretnuti za pana Znasika? Hned po jeho
reci, verejne alebo sukromne?
George Frajkor
> Absolvent je kazdy, kto nieco absolvoval. Cokolvek. Napriklad
> tri tyzdne teroristickeho kurzu. Svojrazna pripustna medza
> tolerancie pre ministra. Nie obrany, ci vnutra, ale hned
> kultury.
My slovak-english dictionary (a short one, admittedly) says:
absolvovat 1. (odbavit) go through 2.(skolu) finish one's studies
--american -- graduate
since we are talking about a course of education here, and
since the person involved was expelled for refusing to wear a Nazi
uniform, I take the second definition to be applicable in this case
and description of him as 'absolvent' to be wrong.
> K ing. Hykischovi; Ak ma ktokolvek napadnutelnu skvrnu na
> svojej minulosti, nema co hladat ani na ministerskom, ani na
> ambasadorskom kresle. Mal by sa v clivom ustrani pozhovarat so
> svojim svedomim.
Exactly my feelings about the likes of Calfa, Feldek, Markovic,
etc. Having compromised themselves, they have forfeited the right to
sit in moral judgment on others and to seek places of influence. Can
you imagine Brezhnev's poet-laureate as minister of culture in the
country that Brezhnev sent troops in to crush? Yet Feldek sought the
office and might have got it if he hadn't bet on the wrong party. And
he still sees himself as fit to condemn others.
Thank you for confirming my arguments.
> Ak nejake ma. Ak nie, moze predsa razne,
> chlapsky a priamo privatizovat na Slovensku. Nie je pravdou, ze
> Anton Hykisch nepredstiera moralnu bezuhonnost. Na spominanom
> stretnuti s krajanmi v Ottawe, musel nezainteresovany posluchac
> od uzasu onemiet, ked pocuval zivotopis velvyslanca Hykischa.
I do not believe Slovaks in Canada agree with you at all.
Matus Uhlar
-> Sorry boys, me spis pripada jako kadrovani.
Nuz, nikoho nenutim aby sa predstavil. Lenze ak ocakavam od dakoho aby sa mi
predstavil, slusi aby som sa predstavil ja. dalej - poslal som informacie o
sebe, pretoze si myslim ze nezaskodi aby o mne to-co vedeli. A nebojim sa o
sebe nic povedat.
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George Frajkor
> Pan Frajkor: mozno mi tu uslo, ale mohli by ste, prosim, objasnit KEDY ste
> sa ospravedlnili na ottawskom stretnuti za pana Znasika? Hned po jeho
> reci, verejne alebo sukromne?
Right after Znasik's speech and Hykisch's reply, and if I am not
mistaken, AFTER the Czech spokesman's apology. Publicly, of course.
Ross Hedvicek
>From: Ivan Znasik <iv...@inforamp.net>
>Subject: Re: Nezda sa vam?
>George Frajkor <gfra...@CCS.CARLETON.CA> wrote:
>> I simply disagree with Breiner that we judge morality
>>differently for those who picked the right political party and the
>>winning side and those who bet wrong.
>> Every argument used against Hykisch can be used almost in
>>toto against someone like Markovic or Feldek. If you want to argue
>>that they are all gutless, self-serving, sycophantic hypocrites, the
>>evidence is similar for all three.
>> The fact that two of them made the wrong guesses, backed the
>>wrong political parties and got no diplomatic appointments is
>>immaterial to a judgment of their moral character. Would you
>>seriously argue that Feldek is a hero today because he DIDN'T get the
>>job of culture minister (which he wanted) but would be morally
>>undeserving of it had he got it?
>>
>> Hykisch, at least, doesn't go around pretending to be
>>morally superior to other Slovaks and setting himself up as judge. As
>>an ambassador, he has done a lot more to help the cause of Slovakia
>>than either of the other two.
>>
>> There is a factual error in Breiner's posting. 'Absolvent' to
>>my recollection means someone who passed a course of study.
>> Presuming Breiner is referring to Slobodnik -- he was
>>expelled from the school after three weeks for refusing to wear a
>>German uniform. If Breiner is referring to someone else, let me
>>know.
>>
>>
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>Absolvent je kazdy, kto nieco absolvoval. Cokolvek. Napriklad
>tri tyzdne teroristickeho kurzu. Svojrazna pripustna medza
>tolerancie pre ministra. Nie obrany, ci vnutra, ale hned
>kultury.
>K ing. Hykischovi; Ak ma ktokolvek napadnutelnu skvrnu na
>svojej minulosti, nema co hladat ani na ministerskom, ani na
>ambasadorskom kresle. Mal by sa v clivom ustrani pozhovarat so
>svojim svedomim. Ak nejake ma. Ak nie, moze predsa razne,
>chlapsky a priamo privatizovat na Slovensku. Nie je pravdou, ze
>Anton Hykisch nepredstiera moralnu bezuhonnost. Na spominanom
>stretnuti s krajanmi v Ottawe, musel nezainteresovany posluchac
>od uzasu onemiet, ked pocuval zivotopis velvyslanca Hykischa.
>I.Z.
Rad bych se dostal k NEJNOVEJSI VERZI ( version 7.01) zivotopisu velvyslance
Hykische - ma ji nekdo?
Rosta <naaf...@hookup.net>