Correction on Mark McCandlish statements; Sep 18, 2002

[Mark McCandlish]

Mr. Giglio,

     If you are of a mind to represent things that I allegedly have said,

please be so kind as to get your quotations correct.  Re:  your allegation that I

saw a UFO in a hangar during an air show.  (Incorrect)  The three vehicles were

seen by a personal friend, Brad Sorensen in the large hangar at Norton AFB, (now

closed) on  Saturday, November 12, 1988.   He was in the company of a former

Under Secretary of Defense, (I believe it may have been Frank Carlucci), who passed him off to security personnel as his "aide", before gaining entry into the hangar. 

     The presentation within this hangar was sponsored by The Air Force Office of Public Affairs, Western Region, run at that time by a Col. Thomas Hornung ,(now retired).   He denied any knowledge of the event when I spoke to him about it face to face over lunch, but he became quite pale when I described what Brad had seen, and quickly lost his appetite for his meal after that.

     It was also sponsored in part by the office of Congressman George E. Brown Jr.  (now deceased).  At the time Cong. Brown was the Chairman of the Congressional Subcommittee on Space,Science and Advanced Technology.  His office was located just a few miles away from the hangar at Norton AFB, in the city of Colton, CA.   A phone call to the congressman's office within a week after this  private showing, confirmed the presence of "the three discs".

     Norton AFB was an ideal location because the east end of its main runway (at that time) was mostly uninhabited agricultural land or part of a large gravel and cement producing facility.  In my appearance on the Art Bell Show in 1994, one caller to the show was a man who worked grave yard shift at that plant.  He reported seeing one of the other classified aircraft Brad described at the presentation, as it was escorted out of the base by two F-15 Eagles the following week.  This was the first generation Lockheed Aurora, which was somewhat diamond shaped, having special tires that resembled a torroid of stainless steel mess covered aeroquip hose.  (A fact I had not disclosed on the air or at any time prior to the show).

    Brad also alleged that Sen. Alan Cranston was in attendance at this presentation, but all atempts to confirm his presence there were met with vehement denials,

practically up to his death several years ago.

     After extensive conversations with Brad regarding what he saw, I was able to

create an accurate cutaway illustration of the propulsion system.  This was the drawing Dr. Greer held up next to me at the National Press Club Briefing.  In concert with

several other investigators, a copy of the drawing was submitted to the director

of the "UFO Photo Archives", Wendelle Stevens, (Col. USAF RET) who sent us the 1967 photo from the C-47 pilot, flying near Provo, Utah.

   I have never professed any knowledge one way or the other regarding the authenticity of that photo.  I don't really think it matters.  If the photo was proven fake, then why would a person with no prior interest or  knowledge of UFO material offer such a concise description of the vehicle?

     In 1992 or 1993, when the Air Force made its first public showing of the Stealth

Bomber the B-2 "Spirit",at Edwards AFB,  I met an associate of one of my Rockwell clients, a man by the name of Kent Sellen.  He and I had a mutual friend, an editor for Aviation Week & Space Technology, a former test pilot by the name of Bill Scott.  He had been a crew chief working with Mr. Scott in 1973 when he was a test pilot at Edwards AFB.

      During a casual discussion of the Persian Gulf War which had recently ended, I described a number of highly unusual aircraft seen by Marine Corps observors while on deck guarding ships in the Gulf late at night.  He confirmed knowledge of these craft.

     I then proceeded to mention that I had a friend who met a young woman over

a game of billiards who claimed her husband had recently (at that time) held a

security police position at a segregated installation at Edwards AFB, generally

called "North Base".  The woman alleged that over the Christmas holidays around

1990 or 1991 , her husband, working alone, had escorted her without clearance into North Base showing her a number of classified aircraft, including the so-called ARV or Alien Reproduction Vehicle, nick-named the "Flux Liner"..

     I asked Mr. Sellen whether he had any knowledge of such a "disc at North Base"

and he smiled and confirmed the existence of this craft.  Based on Brad's description of about four years earlier, I made a quick sketch, approximating the features of the

1967 photo you claim is a proven fake.  Mr. Sellen's words were, "Oh, You've seen one".   I clarified how I had come to know about this craft, and then Mr. Sellen gave me details regarding how he had inadvertently seen this vehicle in a hangar at North Base in 1973, just six years after the 1967 photo was taken.

     In 1993, just before I moved to Northern California, I met a Northrup employee who worked at the Lancaster/Palmdale B-2 Bomber Production Facility, at Air Force Plant 42.  A site that I had toured several years earlier under the sponsorship of Col. Hornung.  This individual described seeing a disc shaped craft arriving and leaving the Lockheed Skunkworks Building in the dead on night while on an outdoor cigarette break.  He described the vehicle as lense shaped and black, about 200 feet in diameter.  During its departure, he said it silently accellerated past his location at the opposite end of the runway disappearing to the east in under one and a half seconds.

     Which brings me to the final "technical" side of the information I have tried to share with the public.  (I don't have a book for sale, and the Disclosure Project has never been a money making scheme for me).  Zero-Point Energy.  The term that Dr Stephen Greer tosses around in his presentations,  a term he has acknowledged that he doesn't have a clear understanding of.  Nothing remarkable there.  But I do.  How?  One of my good friends in the physics community happens to be Hal Puthoff.  I'm sure you can find plenty of information about him over the net.  Why is this relatively seldom talked about energy so important?  Because if you could tap into this energy as a power source, it would be a limitless source of polution-free energy for mankind.  

     What is it?  It gets its name from the fact that this odd, electrical charge or "flux"

can still be detected, even down to a temperature near absolute zero. ( Thus, the name: Zero-Point energy).  Even in spite of the absence of any "Brownian Motion" due to heat.  Nikola Tesla claimed the he had detected this energy form way back in the early part of the 1900's.  He referred to it as "longitudinal waves".  

     Without getting extremely technical, (Hal's papers can do that if you're interested),

zero-point energy seems to boil up from the fabric of the space-time metric itself, and when it does so is absorbed by the sub-atomic particles in this dimension.  Hal's

documents,  published in a variety of journals of the American Physical Society, show that this zero-point/atomic structure interaction is responsible for the "effect" we call mass.  If you can draw some of this energy out of the local environment before it has a chance to interact with matter, two things happen:  1, the local temperature drops substantially.  (Read weather modification).  2.,  The effect of mass within the disturbed region of space is reduced, thus yielding what appears to be a reduction in vehicle weight.  A side-effect is lower energy requirements for accelleration. G-forces diminish, and high-speed right-angle turns are possible.   But the third effect which I realized after scrutiny of this scenareo is that if your propulsion system relies on powerful electrostatic and/or electromagnetic fields,  a reduction in mass also renders those electrical circuits as the ideal high-temperature superconductors.  Even the electrons within the circuit are mass-reduced, thereby elevating circuit efficiency.

      So, if you get grasp what I just told you, you can see why this technology is so highly classified.  Aside from super fast computers, extremely fast weapons or aircraft and highly efficient electrical systems all of which threaten the petroleum and automotive industries, the dangers of weather modification should be obvious to you.  If you have a weapon system that can be over China five minutes after your satelites tell you that they're preparing to launch an ICBM in your direction you have the ultimate deterant for nuclear war.  If you have super-luminal telecommunications capabilty, you can react

hundreds of times faster than your competitors or enemies.  (Whether in industry or warfare).  If you doubt that this is a "real" technolgy, I have unclassified documents

I can send you that will substantiate its reality.  It has been referred to in a DIA briefing document "As a fundamental enabling technology".  I will need a physical address because I don't have a scanner.

     In closing, just let me say that in all my dealings with Dr. Stephen Greer, I have found him to be completely honest and a man of integrity.  If he has any flaw, it is his passion to pull the cover off of this story and many like it, so that we may all someday live in a world where the thought of going to war over oil truly is a ridiculous notion. In the two years since I spoke at the National Press Club, I have sorted out the last of the details of how this propulsion system works.  Any Questions?

 

Mark McCandlish    

[Garrison Hilliard]

>From Jim Giglio's 18 September, 2002 message entitled "Disclosure Project "-

"But there was one "witness" who caught my attention and held it.
This was a fellow named Mark McCandlish. He started by claiming
that he had once seen vehicles, equipped with reverse-engineered
UFO antigravity capability, levitating off the floor of an
airplane hangar while an air show was going on outside (Somehow
this story was supposed to make sense). He then proceeded to
display a photograph of a UFO supposedly taken more than 30 years
ago by an Air Force pilot from the cockpit of a C-47 in the
vicinity of Provo, Utah. I was dumbfounded when I saw this image;
it is a proven fake, and has been known to be a fake for 34
years. The image was investigated by the Colorado project as
"Case 7" in the final report. For some reason, the image itself
was not included in that report. But in 1995 the lead
investigator on the case, Roy Craig, published a black-and-white
print of the image in his memoir of his time on the project. I
contacted Dr. Craig by e-mail about three years ago, and was able
to obtain a copy of the original color slide. I scanned the
image, and enclose a printed copy.

The testimony of McCandlish, fully supported by Greer, is simply
ludicrous. I repeat; the image he displayed is a fake and has
been known to be a fake for 34 years. Yet Greer claims, based on
this kind of silliness, to be embarked on a mission to influence
US space and energy policy, as well as international diplomacy,
at the highest levels. Now perhaps Greer has evidence that the
image in question is not a fake; if so, the time to have
presented that evidence was on May 9th 2001 at the "Disclosure"
event. The fact that he did not do so indicates that he is either
abysmally uninformed, seriously delusional, or simply a con
artist out to make money off the suckers who swallow his line of
patter whole. "

[James C Giglio]

I'll answer in detail when there's a bit more time. For now, can
you tell me which of the statements I've written, concerning your
appearance at the "Disclosure" event, are you responding to?

[James C Giglio]

I'll respond with several posts, each focused on a different
issue raised by Mr. McCandlish:

> If you are of a mind to represent things that I allegedly have
> said, please be so kind as to get your quotations correct. Re:
> your allegation that I saw a UFO in a hangar during an air
> show. (Incorrect) The three vehicles were seen by a personal

> friend, Brad Sorensen ...

Correction noted. But the fact that the claim is second-hand
makes it less credible, not more.

The big whopping "HUH?!" in the story is that this demo of alien
propulsion technology, supposedly the result of
reverse-engineering carried out by sinister ultra-secret black
projects accountable to nobody (not even the president), was
being carried out inside a hangar WHILE AN AIRSHOW WAS GOING ON
OUTSIDE. One of the reporters at the disclosure event (from UPI)
questioned this point; she strung it together with several other
queries indicating that she wasn't buying the Greer line. Greer
ignored that part of her question.

You then present these statements as evidence of the veracity of
your tale:

> The presentation within this hangar was sponsored by The Air
> Force Office of Public Affairs, Western Region, run at that
> time by a Col. Thomas Hornung ,(now retired). He denied any
> knowledge of the event when I spoke to him about it face to
> face over lunch,

So I guess a denial constitutes evidence FOR the reality of the
alleged event.

> It was also sponsored in part by the office of Congressman
> George E. Brown Jr. (now deceased). At the time Cong. Brown
> was the Chairman of the Congressional Subcommittee on
> Space,Science and Advanced Technology. His office was located

> just a few m iles away from the hangar at Norton AFB, in the

> city of Colton, CA. A phone call to the congressman's office
> within a week after this private showing, confirmed the
> presence of "the three discs".

More evidence; this time from a source safely in the ground. And
yet another oddity; the alleged vehicles are supposedly the
product of black projects beyond accountability, inaccessible even
to the president. Yet here's this congressman SPONSORING the
show.

> Norton AFB was an ideal location because the east end of its
> main runway (at that time) was mostly uninhabited agricultural
> land or part of a large gravel and cement producing facility.
> In my appearance on the Art Bell Show in 1994, one caller to
> the show was a man who worked grave yard shift at that plant.
> He reported seeing one of the other classified aircraft Brad
> described at the presentation, as it was escorted out of the
> base by two F-15 Eagles the following week. This was the first

> generation Lockheed Aurora, ...

So an anonymous guy on the phone provides yet more
incontrovertible evidence. Yep, totally incontrovertible. And
totally unverifiable as well.

And how did the "Aurora" get mixed in here? This legendary craft,
whose existence has been speculated on at great length in the
press but never confirmed to exist, is supposedly a perfectly
normal aircraft, but hypersonic and powered by liquid hydrogen
ramjet technology. No antigravity, no superluminal speed, no
zero-point stuff, just air, fuel and wings.

> Brad also alleged that Sen. Alan Cranston was in attendance at
> this presentation, but all atempts to confirm his presence
> there were met with vehement denials,

Yet another denial, to be interpreted as confirmation because
Brad says so.

This evidence, to put it mildly, offers little in the way of
support for your story. But Greer believed it, so I guess the
rest of us should follow along.

Next post: The fake photo.

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