Roscoe, Snyder and Pacific
CarolV2424
Coming back from San Francisco on BART on Thursday we passed thru the Oakland
freight yard--the one on the south/east end and I saw a box car
Roscoe Snyder and Pacific. My ORER shows them as RSP reporting marks but
nothing more---
Who, what, where, when was the RSP???
Thanks for your expertise--
C.
Alan Follett
The Roscoe, Snyder & Pacific Railway is a 1.5-mile switching road
connecting with UP at Roscoe, Texas. Until 1984, it was a line-haul
shortline, operating about 30 miles between Roscoe and Snyder, and, at
one time, a further 20 miles between Snyder and Fluvanna. As of 1991,
the date of my reference source, they had one engine, an SW1500.
john c. smith
Carol and others who wish to know,
The Roscoe, Snyder and Pacific used to be a little bridge railroad that
ran from the towns of Snyder, TX just a little bit east of Abilene, TX on the
T&P to the town of Roscoe, TX on the ATSF. Currently they are in the business
of car repair and of course if all thier cars came home they would have
no place to put them since all the track has been pulled up except for a
mile or two through Snyder, TX to their shops on the northwest side of
Snyder, TX.
I apologize for not having the dates of when they were chartered, and when
the tracks were pulled up, but I think my book that contains the history
of Texas Railroads has been taken to work so it is not available.
Take Care,
John C. Smith
T55TS&BS Society
s.a. mccall
At 11:17 PM 12/20/97 EST, you wrote:
>Coming back from San Francisco on BART on Thursday we passed thru the Oakland
>freight yard--the one on the south/east end and I saw a box car
>Roscoe Snyder and Pacific. My ORER shows them as RSP reporting marks but
>nothing more---
>Who, what, where, when was the RSP???
>Thanks for your expertise--
>C.
>
The RS&P (Roscoe, Snyder & Pacific) is a 30 mile long line headquartered
in Roscoe, Texas. Runs from Roscoe to Snyder, connects to T&P(Texas &
Pacific) at Roscoe and the AT&SF(Atchison,Topeka & Sante Fe)at Snyder.
Roscoe is located about 8 miles west of Abilene, Texas. Am not sure of
it's current status..
Wishing all a Merry Christmas.......................
Sincerely,
S.A. McCall HOSAM
Franklin, Va.
JHOLLIS517
Waste of bandwidth sorry - I cannot type. Snyder is west of Abilene
JHOLLIS517
Better check your geography. Roscoe is about 40 miles west of Abilene!!!!!
Jim Hollis
Hurst, TX
David Benn
Alan and all on the RR list,
Prior to the 1984 reduction to 1.5 miles to service the car shops(?),
what
do you know about freight traffic the RS&P originated/terminated? What
industries, commodities, destinations/originations, frt car types?
I believe RS&P boxcars were operated during the "per diem" mania era,
but
did anyone see these cars routinely in certain services or used by specific
industries with any regularity?
Any information along these lines would be of interest! Much thanks!
Dave
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> From: Alan Follett <AFol...@webtv.net>
> To: RAIL...@CUNYVM.CUNY.EDU
> Subject: Re: Roscoe, Snyder and Pacific
> Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 2:21 AM
Jeff Ford
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>>>Subject: Re: Roscoe, Snyder and Pacific
Date:
From:
David Benn <benn...@surfline.ne.jp>
Alan and all on the RR list,
Prior to the 1984 reduction to 1.5 miles to service the car
shops(?), what
do you know about freight traffic the RS&P originated/terminated? What
industries, commodities, destinations/originations, frt car types?
I believe RS&P boxcars were operated during the "per diem" mania
era, but
did anyone see these cars routinely in certain services or used by
specific
industries with any regularity?
Any information along these lines would be of interest! Much
thanks!
Dave
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Dave, et al,
The RS&P made its fortune from bridge traffic between the T&P at Roscoe
and the ATSF at Snyder. It aggressively billed itself as a short cut
between the two Class 1's in spite of the fact that the T&P and ATSF met
and interchanged at Sweetwater, 8 miles east of Roscoe on the T&P.
IIRC, Apparently they were successful enough to avert disaster during the
depression, so much so that they stayed in the black the whole time (or
so I was told).
-HIGHBALL!
P.S. If anyone has a car number(s), maybe it(they) can be traced.
BEMIDJIAN
Seasons Greetings
Believe RSP had little on line industry and made its living with bridge
traffic and an agressive force of freight solicitors/ 1947 official guide
shows that had freight sales reps in Fort Worth, San Francisco, LA, NYC,
Birmingham and Pittsburgh.
Their freight car fleet predates the per diem era of the Late Seventies. A
1964 ORER shows 48 cars, 14 tanks and the rest 40 foot boxcars.
1922 ORER shows rolling stock of 3 locomotives and 3 passenger cars.
Hope this helpful
Dave
Clem Dickey
> It existed solely for "short-hauling" the SP and ATSF by some
> ridiculous amount- thirty-five miles or so
Take a look at RS&P listings from the Official Guide (the one
I can find off-hand is 1956). RS&P featured "Diesel Power -
No Hump Yards" and "Direct Deliveries from Line Haul Trains to
Interchange Tracks [...] eliminating Switching and Interchange
Delays". Note the implication that shipping via RS&P avoided hump
yards. And "direct delivery" to a line-haul train wasn't too hard if
the line is only 30 miles long. :-)
Many railroads exagerated their importance with creative
cartography, but RS&P c. 1970 took the cake. Their Guide
map implied that RS&P was the major - perhaps the only - route
between East and West Coasts.
If their agents were as good as their Guide listings (how
many other Texas short lines had 6 freight agents in
California?) I imagine they did quite well.
Clem Dickey