3.01a/b Charset problems and a little whine
Sean O Seaghdha
can anyone help?
I cannot send accented characters anymore - they are converted
according to the non-MIME SMTP conversion table, e.g. here's aeiou
with acute accents - ssThetao<=..
I have MIME and send 8-bit enabled and am using the -z 32678 command
line option (-z 33280 actually) with version 3.01b 32-bit on NT 4.0.
There is no WPM-CHAR.RSC file in the program folder or the mail
folder.
This problem seems to have arrived with version 3.01a, but I also
started using multiple identities around the same time.
Now for my whine. As much as I like Pegasus, the way it happily
copes with the thousands of messages I leave lying around in folders,
it's flexibility & speed, it's long suffering support volunteers,
I've gotta say that it's charset/language support is falling way
behind. I suppose one could take the pragmatic approach that English
*is* the most used language on the Internet as in many other spheres,
but if we were going to be pragmatic and accept the status quo,
wouldn't we all be using Microsoft products? And suppose we did - we
would find that we could easily send mail in whatever language we
could get a font and an input method for - right now!
Admittedly you can get around some of the charset limitations in
PMail, e.g. you could set up separate identities with different
default charsets if you know the correct ISO description string, but
it's really not easy for the average user. If you are lucky enough
to get PMail to recognise a message in a more obscure charset then
you are still left with problems of changing fonts back and forth
which is very unsatisfactory. As for multi-charset messages (or UTF-
7/UTF-8), as far as I know this is completely beyond PMail. For
anyone interested in corresponding in Chinese, Japanese or Korean I'd
(sadly) have to recommend they stay away from PMail at the moment.
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Jan Muszynski
> I know there is an answer to this as I have fixed it in the past -
> can anyone help?
>
> I cannot send accented characters anymore - they are converted
> according to the non-MIME SMTP conversion table, e.g. here's aeiou
> with acute accents - ssThetao<=..
>
> I have MIME and send 8-bit enabled and am using the -z 32678 command
> line option (-z 33280 actually) with version 3.01b 32-bit on NT 4.0.
> There is no WPM-CHAR.RSC file in the program folder or the mail
> folder.
>
> This problem seems to have arrived with version 3.01a, but I also
> started using multiple identities around the same time.
From Help|Command Line Options
32768 Use DOS-compatible character conversions on 8-bit data
(note that this switch has a reversed meaning from its
meaning in previous versions of Pegasus Mail)
Check out the rest of these as well. Especially note that 2 is
reversed and means NOT to save column widths and there is no more 8
(I don't remember what it was either). Anyway try using -Z 592
instead.
>
> Now for my whine. As much as I like Pegasus, the way it happily
> copes with the thousands of messages I leave lying around in folders,
> it's flexibility & speed, it's long suffering support volunteers,
> I've gotta say that it's charset/language support is falling way
> behind. I suppose one could take the pragmatic approach that English
>snip rest of whine to save bandwidth<
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Stephen
On 12 Jul 98, at 7:16, Jan Muszynski said about
"Re: 3.01a/b Charset problems and a little whine":
> Anyway try using -Z 592 instead.
I can't see that one in the 3.01b help file. What does it do
please?
BTW - has anyone got the -z 16384 switch to work with 3.01b 16 bit
in wfwg 3.11? Are there some setting needed in options to go with
that switch?
Regards - Stephen
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Julian Petrov
> Hello Jan,
>
> On 12 Jul 98, at 7:16, Jan Muszynski said about
> "Re: 3.01a/b Charset problems and a little whine":
>
> > Anyway try using -Z 592 instead.
>
> I can't see that one in the 3.01b help file. What does it do
> please?
592 = 512 + 64 + 16
>
> BTW - has anyone got the -z 16384 switch to work with 3.01b 16 bit
> in wfwg 3.11? Are there some setting needed in options to go with
> that switch?
>
> Regards - Stephen
>
>
>
>
> stephen...@bigfoot.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 14 Bermuda Road, Tilbury, Essex. RM18 7DA. UK
> phone +44(0)1375 841841 Fax +44(0)1375 857676
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
Julian Petrov
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Jan Muszynski
> Hello Jan,
>
> On 12 Jul 98, at 7:16, Jan Muszynski said about
> "Re: 3.01a/b Charset problems and a little whine":
>
> > Anyway try using -Z 592 instead.
592=512 + 64 + 16
>
> I can't see that one in the 3.01b help file. What does it do
> please?
>
> BTW - has anyone got the -z 16384 switch to work with 3.01b 16 bit
> in wfwg 3.11? Are there some setting needed in options to go with
> that switch?
>
> Regards - Stephen
>
>
>
>
> stephen...@bigfoot.com
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> 14 Bermuda Road, Tilbury, Essex. RM18 7DA. UK
> phone +44(0)1375 841841 Fax +44(0)1375 857676
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
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Jan M. - mailto:ja...@bigfoot.com
PGP key mailto:ja...@bigfoot.com?Subject=send%20pgp%20key
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Stephen
"Re: 3.01a/b Charset problems and a ":
> 592 = 512 + 64 + 16
My pea wot passes for a brain let me down again <g>
Regards - Stephen
"All wight rho sriched mg kegtops awound?!?"
Paul Anderson
> Admittedly you can get around some of the charset limitations in
> PMail, e.g. you could set up separate identities with different
> default charsets if you know the correct ISO description string, but
> it's really not easy for the average user. If you are lucky enough
> to get PMail to recognise a message in a more obscure charset then
> you are still left with problems of changing fonts back and forth
> which is very unsatisfactory. As for multi-charset messages (or UTF-
> 7/UTF-8), as far as I know this is completely beyond PMail. For
> anyone interested in corresponding in Chinese, Japanese or Korean I'd
> (sadly) have to recommend they stay away from PMail at the moment.
Pegasus works OK with double bytes character sets
(Japanese/Chinese/Korean etc.) so long as you tell the sender to
please use only english in the To, From and Subject fields. Of
course this is an inconvenience, but as I receive about 999 English
emails for every Chinese/Japanese mail it doesn't make sense for me
to forsake all the benefits of Pegasus just for 0.1% of my mail.
It would be nice if I could recommend Pegasus to those people I
correspond with in Chinese/Japanese, but like Sean I would also have
to think twice before recommending Pegasus to people who use
Chinese/Japanese most of the time.
Just my 0.2c worth.
Paul.
Oded Coster
BTW - the bidirectional features of Hebrew supported win 3.x went down the
drain with the new editor (TER). They worked fine with the old one (though not
with win 95...). From the point of view of a Hebrew user, TER just made Win
Pegasus lose functionality - it is no longer easy to type in Hebrew when using
Win 3.x :-(
Just my 0.2 NISH
Oded Coster
Ian Balchin
I have been experimenting with the command line options as suggested.
Mail messages created in dos Pegasus V3.2 (r2) brought into PMWIN3.01b
fail to show the £ sign correctly.
32768 fixes this fine, but then newer messages created in 3.01b have
incorrect £ signs. The problem seems intractible with the £ (ascii
156) gets shown as either æ (ascii 145), a ú (ascii 163), or a solid
block (ascii 222?).
I give up, as long as current messages are OK I can cope.
On 12 Jul 98, 7:16
Jan Muszynski <PM-...@UA1VM.UA.EDU> wrote, saying...
> On 12 Jul 98, at 18:02, Sean O Seaghdha wrote:
>
> > I know there is an answer to this as I have fixed it in the past -
> > can anyone help?
> >
> > I cannot send accented characters anymore - they are converted
> > according to the non-MIME SMTP conversion table, e.g. here's aeiou
> > with acute accents - ssThetao<=..
> >
> > I have MIME and send 8-bit enabled and am using the -z 32678 command
> > line option (-z 33280 actually) with version 3.01b 32-bit on NT 4.0.
> > There is no WPM-CHAR.RSC file in the program folder or the mail
> > folder.
> >
> > This problem seems to have arrived with version 3.01a, but I also
> > started using multiple identities around the same time.
>
> From Help|Command Line Options
>
> 32768 Use DOS-compatible character conversions on 8-bit data
> (note that this switch has a reversed meaning from its
> meaning in previous versions of Pegasus Mail)
>
> Check out the rest of these as well. Especially note that 2 is
> reversed and means NOT to save column widths and there is no more 8
> (I don't remember what it was either). Anyway try using -Z 592
> instead.
>
> >
> > Now for my whine. As much as I like Pegasus, the way it happily
> > copes with the thousands of messages I leave lying around in folders,
> > it's flexibility & speed, it's long suffering support volunteers,
> > I've gotta say that it's charset/language support is falling way
> > behind. I suppose one could take the pragmatic approach that English
> >snip rest of whine to save bandwidth<
>
> ==============================
> Jan M. - mailto:ja...@bigfoot.com
>
> PGP key mailto:ja...@bigfoot.com?Subject=send%20pgp%20key
> Fingerprint:397D 093C E802 964E 5316 B90A 93CE 6696
>
> Thought for the day:
> Bagpipes (n): an octopus wearing a kilt.
Ian Balchin tumbl...@imaginet.co.za
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Sean O Seaghdha
> On 12 Jul 98, at 18:02, Sean O Seaghdha wrote:
>
> > I have MIME and send 8-bit enabled and am using the -z 32678 command
> > line option (-z 33280 actually) with version 3.01b 32-bit on NT 4.0.
> > There is no WPM-CHAR.RSC file in the program folder or the mail
> > folder.
> >
> > This problem seems to have arrived with version 3.01a, but I also
> > started using multiple identities around the same time.
>
> >From Help|Command Line Options
>
> 32768 Use DOS-compatible character conversions on 8-bit data
> (note that this switch has a reversed meaning from its
> meaning in previous versions of Pegasus Mail)
I had checked help after installing 3.01a, but these options weren't even
mentioned. I checked again after installing 3.01b, but somehow the
installation went into a PMail folder *under* my PMail folder so I was
still actually using 3.01a...duh.
Maybe this change should be in the What's New section too?
> Check out the rest of these as well. Especially note that 2 is
> reversed and means NOT to save column widths and there is no more 8 (I
> don't remember what it was either). Anyway try using -Z 592 instead.
Thanks but, 33280 - 32768 = 512 (play new mail sound always).
Thank you, thank you, thank you Jan! It's such a relief to be out of the
ASCII box again.
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