Feta cheese is Greek and always Greek...
A.T. Fear
Andy
>
> Extract from CosmosNews:
>
>
> Commission discussion on Danish claim to `feta` postponed
> ---------------------------------------------------------
> BRUSSELS 22/02/1996 (ANA - P.Pantelis)
>
> A discussion on protecting the name of Greek feta cheese,set for
> yesterday's weekly European Commission session, was postponed at
> Denmark's request.
> Denmark had raised the issue, questioning the exclusiveness of the
> name of Greek feta. Denmark does not produce "feta" cheese with sheep's
> milk, as is the case with the Greek product, but with cows' milk and
> bleaching additives.
> Greek arguments are backed by Commissioner Christos Papoutsis and
> Agriculture Commissioner Franz Fischler. The European Commission's
> legal department does not support Denmark's arguments and the majority
> of commissioners are expected to show support for
> Greek feta.
> With this prospect in sight, Danish Commissioner Ritt Bjerregaard
> requested a postponement of the discussion for a future Commission
> session.
> Denmark, according to knowledgeable sources, is not expected to
> insist on questioning the name of Greek feta in Community markets, but
> will propose being allowed to use the name "Danish feta" or something
> similar for its exports to third countries.
> The Commission's legal department will examine Denmark's request,
> but the relevant decision will be taken by the Council of Ministers.
> ANA
>
> What nest? Olives?
M Petkovski
> Andy
> > Denmark, according to knowledgeable sources, is not expected to
> > insist on questioning the name of Greek feta in Community markets, but
> > will propose being allowed to use the name "Danish feta" or something
> > similar for its exports to third countries.
I have heard, from sources close to the Greek Cheese Ministry, that
Greece will not agree with a combined name containing the word "feta".
A masive campaign based on "Feta is Greece" matchboxes is expected to
be launched soon. The leader of the patriotic It's Springtime Again
party, Mr. Samaritianides accused government that while fighting
the silly battle over the name of the Skopians, they have lost the
much more important war over their cheese.
Mihail
Hope Aldrich
Greek olives for some time now at every deli, market, etc. The large green
ones are also known as Greek olives.
Hope
Hope Aldrich
was compiled by the local churchwomen of the local Serbian church. It was
published sometime in the 1960s or 1970s. The cover is gone from being used
and it is a spiral book that does not withstand wear and tear as well as a
hardcover or even a paperback. The burek is called Balkan bourek and the
peetoolee are called peetoolee. That there are recipes in this book of
Macedonian cuisine is most likely due to the membership of this church having
Macedonian members. The preface does give the acknowledgement of recipes such
as baklava, Turkish coffee, and jams being due to the influence of the Turkish
occupation.
Hope
Ervin N/A Fortuzi
> > Greece will not agree with a combined name containing the word "feta".
> > A masive campaign based on "Feta is Greece" matchboxes is expected to
> > be launched soon. The leader of the patriotic It's Springtime Again
> > party, Mr. Samaritianides accused government that while fighting
> > the silly battle over the name of the Skopians, they have lost the
> > much more important war over their cheese.
> >
> > Mihail
>
> it The Greek Burek! :-)
>
> pozdrav do site,
> mentor
Mentor.
If the feta is realy Greek, (although I do not know anything precise
about its origin) what is wrong with Greeks in claiming that name?
It makes sense in business terms, at least. And this is not the first
case that a state fights to preserve a traditional, domestic
brandname (sort of) for its domestic producers.
It is not right to press your neighbour to change its name
simply because you feel attached to it, but it makes sense
juridically and economically to try to protect a traditional
brandname.
Regards.
Ervin Fortuzi
AUBG
Bulgaria
Luben I. Todorovski
>
> Mentor.
> If the feta is realy Greek, (although I do not know anything precise
> about its origin) what is wrong with Greeks in claiming that name?
> It makes sense in business terms, at least. And this is not the first
> case that a state fights to preserve a traditional, domestic
> brandname (sort of) for its domestic producers.
> It is not right to press your neighbour to change its name
> simply because you feel attached to it, but it makes sense
> juridically and economically to try to protect a traditional
> brandname.
> Regards.
>
> Ervin Fortuzi
> AUBG
> Bulgaria
>i
Especially if something is as high-tech product as feta cheese is.
Apparently the Greece has not offered anything to the world since
ancient Athens, so they have to fight for 'traditional' brand-names as:
Greek coffee (everywhere else known as Turkish), Greek feta cheese etc.
BTW production of the feta cheese (belo sirenje) is the oldest and
the simpliest method of making cheese and I don't think that Denmark
will loose lot by using the name "Greek" for it's feta cheese.
Pozdrav:
Bube
Elif
:
:> > I have heard, from sources close to the Greek Cheese Ministry, that
:> > Greece will not agree with a combined name containing the word "feta".
:> > A masive campaign based on "Feta is Greece" matchboxes is expected to
:> > be launched soon. The leader of the patriotic It's Springtime Again
:> > party, Mr. Samaritianides accused government that while fighting
:> > the silly battle over the name of the Skopians, they have lost the
:> > much more important war over their cheese.
:> >
:> > Mihail
:>
:> I just wonder if they (greeks( have claimed the burek and start calling
:> it The Greek Burek! :-)
:>
:> pozdrav do site,
:> mentor
:Mentor.
:If the feta is realy Greek, (although I do not know anything precise
:about its origin) what is wrong with Greeks in claiming that name?
:It makes sense in business terms, at least. And this is not the first
:case that a state fights to preserve a traditional, domestic
:brandname (sort of) for its domestic producers.
:It is not right to press your neighbour to change its name
:simply because you feel attached to it, but it makes sense
:juridically and economically to try to protect a traditional
:brandname.
:Regards.
:
:Ervin Fortuzi
:AUBG
:Bulgaria
Excuse me, you all cut the crap, there is no feta, there is white cheese
and it is turkish. And the borek that you have been talking about is
also turkish .
thank you, just wanted to clear things up.
Elif Akcetin
http://www.smith.edu/~eakcetin/home.html
Sysse Engberg
> > Mentor.
> > If the feta is realy Greek, (although I do not know anything precise
> > about its origin) what is wrong with Greeks in claiming that name?
> > It makes sense in business terms, at least. And this is not the first
> > case that a state fights to preserve a traditional, domestic
> > brandname (sort of) for its domestic producers.
> > It is not right to press your neighbour to change its name
> > simply because you feel attached to it, but it makes sense
> > juridically and economically to try to protect a traditional
> > brandname.
> > Regards.
> >
> > Ervin Fortuzi
> > AUBG
> > Bulgaria
>
>
> Especially if something is as high-tech product as feta cheese is.
> Apparently the Greece has not offered anything to the world since
> ancient Athens
hell no, just a couple of nobel prize poets, cavafy (world famous poet,
in case you haven't heard of him), composers like theodorakis, hadjidakis
(oscar for film music) and xenakis, byzantine art which the stupid western
world is finally beginning to appreciate, the painter el greco...
not to speak of byzantine church music which was inherited by the
russian and the other slavic churches
- do I detect a slight minority complex here?
> so they have to fight for 'traditional' brand-names as:
> Greek coffee (everywhere else known as Turkish)
in greece, too, it was known as 'turkish coffee' until 1974 (cyprus)
- so this is a different story which you may be too young to have
heard about
> Greek feta cheese etc.
> BTW production of the feta cheese (belo sirenje) is the oldest and
> the simpliest method of making cheese and I don't think that Denmark
> will loose lot by using the name "Greek" for it's feta cheese.
denmark has a tradition for imitating foreign products (we're the japanese
of northern europe) and stealing the corresponding names: many years
ago, our cheeses had foreign names such as gouda, edam, emmenthaler,
roquefort etc
this was stopped, and rightly so, as I'm sure will be the case with
our 'feta' cheese, but if our product is good we should be able
to sell it under any name (that which you call a rose...)
in all societies where sheep and goats play an important role, this
white cheese is probably known - italy makes something similar called
'ricotta' (the soft version of feta, in greek: mizithra), so named
because it is made out of the second 'cooking' of the milk, as opposed to
the hard cheese from the first cooking, kefalotiri or kaskavalj
the white cheese made out of sheep's or goat's milk was called 'feta'
by the greeks and only by them (and the name was subsequently stolen
by us danes)
- this name is what they want to protect, and I sincerely hope
they'll win the case!
>
> Pozdrav:
>
> Bube
likewise, sysse
copenhagen
denmark (of the "feta" cheese)
John Mangov
This topic does not matter unless greek women actually give their own milk to
make feta cheese. No human ever made the goat or cow from which feta cheese
comes. The current debate over the Macedonian nation equalls the stupidity of
the entire nationalization of the feta cheese issue. I am tired of this, lets
figure out how to have some friendly fun, write to each other, share some
experiences. Getting pissed off only plays into the hands of the people who
try to keep Macedonaians down.(I learned the hard way)
John Mangov
Boris Docevski
>>[L. Todorovski]: Especially if something is as high-tech product as
>>feta cheese is.
>> Apparently the Greece has not offered anything to the world since
>> ancient Athens
>hell no, just a couple of nobel prize poets, cavafy (world famous poet,
>in case you haven't heard of him), composers like theodorakis, hadjidakis
>(oscar for film music) and xenakis, byzantine art which the stupid western
>world is finally beginning to appreciate, the painter el greco...
GENOCIDE against the indigenous Aegean Macedonians, unprecedented
political and economical campaign to SUFFOCATE the Republic of Macedonia,
the only remaining free piece of Macedonian land, stealing of Macedonian
history, national symbols, names, etc. Really nothing much to get worked up
about, right Sysse?
>not to speak of byzantine church music which was inherited by the
>russian and the other slavic churches
> - do I detect a slight minority complex here?
Do I detect a slight HYPOCRICY here? :-)
>the white cheese made out of sheep's or goat's milk was called 'feta'
>by the greeks and only by them (and the name was subsequently stolen
>by us danes)
>- this name is what they want to protect, and I sincerely hope
>they'll win the case!
I hope they lose. More so, I hope they lose in their ridiculous quest
to steal our 3,000-year-old name from us Macedonians.
>> Pozdrav:
>>
>> Bube
>likewise, sysse
>copenhagen
>denmark
No greetings to Greek-loving hypocrites,
Boris Docevski (bd...@cornell.edu)
Section of Genetics and Development
Cornell University, Ithaca, NY, USA
http://www.isc.rit.edu/~bvs4997/Macedonia
"The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do
nothing."-Edmund Burke
Luben I. Todorovski
> >
> > Especially if something is as high-tech product as feta cheese is.
> > Apparently the Greece has not offered anything to the world since
> > ancient Athens
>
> hell no, just a couple of nobel prize poets, cavafy (world famous poet,
> in case you haven't heard of him), composers like theodorakis, hadjidakis
> (oscar for film music) and xenakis, byzantine art which the stupid western
> world is finally beginning to appreciate, the painter el greco...
We were talking about technology. Byzantine = Greek, interesting....
Is that a claim that everything Byzantine is Greek, so the whole
Byzantine empire is Greece. There is also a lot of Byzantine culture
in Greece today, as well as in Macedonia, Serbia, Bulgaria, Romania,
Russia etc..., but the Byzantia was formed after the division of the
Roman Empire to west and east part. I don't see what this has to do
with the Greek name ???
> not to speak of byzantine church music which was inherited by the
> russian and the other slavic churches
The byzantian church was formed in the same way as the Roman
Catholic church, that was official one for the west part of the
Roman Empire. Claiming this somebody can conclude that the
church music in Spain and France is inherited from the
Italian church music... For me both of the statements make
no sense, I am not a historian but I only try to apply some
logic.
> - do I detect a slight minority complex here?
>
Minority??? I don't understand this? What the orthodox Slavs are
minority compared with Greeks, or this exclude Russia from the
the new Greek-Byzantian Empire, still they are minority if you
include the Serbs, Bulgarians, Macedonians...
> > so they have to fight for 'traditional' brand-names as:
> > Greek coffee (everywhere else known as Turkish)
>
> in greece, too, it was known as 'turkish coffee' until 1974 (cyprus)
> - so this is a different story which you may be too young to have
> heard about
Unfortunately not too young, I remember that. The problem is
something else.
>
> > Greek feta cheese etc.
> > BTW production of the feta cheese (belo sirenje) is the oldest and
> > the simpliest method of making cheese and I don't think that Denmark
> > will loose lot by using the name "Greek" for it's feta cheese.
>
> denmark has a tradition for imitating foreign products (we're the japanese
> of northern europe) and stealing the corresponding names: many years
> ago, our cheeses had foreign names such as gouda, edam, emmenthaler,
> roquefort etc
New facts for me, is this something about the complex issue
you have mentioned before?
>
> this was stopped, and rightly so, as I'm sure will be the case with
> our 'feta' cheese, but if our product is good we should be able
> to sell it under any name (that which you call a rose...)
>
> in all societies where sheep and goats play an important role, this
> white cheese is probably known - italy makes something similar called
> 'ricotta' (the soft version of feta, in greek: mizithra), so named
> because it is made out of the second 'cooking' of the milk, as opposed to
> the hard cheese from the first cooking, kefalotiri or kaskavalj
>
> the white cheese made out of sheep's or goat's milk was called 'feta'
> by the greeks and only by them (and the name was subsequently stolen
> by us danes)
> - this name is what they want to protect, and I sincerely hope
> they'll win the case!
>
I don't speak Greek, neither I intend to, but I have traveled
in Greece before and like everybody from Balkans I eat lot of feta.
I can't recall that Greeks use that name. The Dans maybe have stolen
the feta cheese from somewhere,
maybe from Greece, but that cheese was all over the Balkans, long time before
something like Denmark existed.
>
> likewise, sysse
> copenhagen
> denmark (of the "feta" cheese)
>
Copenhagen is awesome city, in lots of ways unique and authentic.
Why are you trying to find your roots as far as middle East and Balkans.
Simply the roots of the West European culture are not in Greece or somewhere
around. Your roots are not that old. The proof is simple, you don't
understand that region and it's culture.
Pozdrav: Bube
(who has Californian feta in his fridge)