Fw: Dashboar
Scott T. Harder
From: "Scott T. Harder" <scott....@embarqmail.com>
To: "ISPF discussion list" <ISP...@LISTSERV.ND.EDU>
Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 11:37 PM
Subject: Re: Dashboar
> My goal is to simply provide a user interface that prforms the required
> functions while making the user experience as pleasurable as possible I
> thought that DTL was an easy way to do that. But, I may be wrong.
>
> From: "Dave Salt" <ds...@HMOTMAIL.COM>
> To: <ISP...@LISTSERV.ND.EDU>
> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 3:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Dashboard?
>
>
>> From: scottyt...@GMAIL.COM
>> Regarding DTL - and this may sound
>> contradictory - but I like it because it is easier to create IBM-like
>> (and
>> thus, CUA compliant) panels. It warns you if you stray and you also have
>> the option to pre-process the panels for performance sake.
>
> For me, regular WYSIWYG panels are much easier to code than DTL. I don't
> want my panels to follow CUA standards (as they're currently defined), so
> I
> really don't want to be warned when they don't. And regular panels can be
> pre-processed for performance sake. From a user perspective, there is
> *nothing* a DTL panel can do that a regular panel cannot do. So the choice
> between regular versus DTL is purely a matter of what the developer finds
> easier, as it makes no difference from a user perspective. I can't imagine
> DTL being easier to code than WYSIWYG, but I guess it's just a matter of
> what you're used to.
>
> Dave Salt
>
> SimpList(tm) - try it; you'll get it!
>
> http://www.mackinney.com/products/program-development/simplist.html
>
>
>
>> From: "Dave Salt" <ds...@HOTMAIL.COM>
>> To: <ISP...@LISTSERV.ND.EDU>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 06, 2010 2:33 PM
>> Subject: Re: Dashboard?
>>
>>
>> If the panel is already going to have an action bar, then that's
>> obviously
>> the right place to put the DASH command. But personally I'm not a big fan
>> of
>> ISPF action bars, or even CUA come to that. I like the *concept* of CUA,
>> but
>> not the way it was implemented. For example, I can't stand having the
>> command line at the bottom or PF12=CANCEL.
>>
>> On my own panels I quite often have point-and-shoot fields similar to the
>> DASH command, which is why I suggested it. However, I don't write my
>> panels
>> in DTL (which I like even less than CUA). Before anyone suggests it, no
>> I'm
>> not stuck in the 80's or resistant to change. I love pop-up panels and
>> messages, I love dynamic areas and shadow variables, and in general I
>> like
>> almost all of the enhancements that have been made to ISPF. This even
>> includes keylists, which I know many people don't like. But in my opinion
>> CUA leaves much to be desired, and DTL is the exact opposite of an
>> enhancement.
>>
>> Having said that, I do endorse the idea behind CUA. I've also had the
>> horror
>> of seeing multi-color reverse-video blinking-blinding panels that some
>> designer thought looked really cool and which to me looked like a
>> multi-color yawn (for those who know what that is).
>>
>> :-)
>>
>> Dave Salt
>>
>> SimpList(tm) - try it; you'll get it!
>>
>> http://www.mackinney.com/products/program-development/simplist.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:54:14 -0800
>> > From: pe...@US.IBM.COM
>> > Subject: Re: Dashboard?
>> > To: ISP...@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
>> >
>> > While I like the idea of a point-and-shoot field and also the command
>> > line
>> > capability, when I consider Scott's earlier thread about being CUA
>> > compliant, I have to more strongly recommend the use of an action bar.
>> >
>> > The action bar is basically the same thing as the proposed point and
>> > shoot
>> > field. And I think you can define it to set ZCMD to a value like
>> > 'DASH',
>> > so the other programming would be the same as you already propose.
>> >
>> >
>> > Pedro Vera
>> > IMS Tools
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