I mean, DOGCATs - Have they been attempting some weird and wonderful
cloning exercise?
CATABLE...is this a new kittylitter?
I've also found DILBERTS......this is a class cartoon strip although the
animated cartoon just doesn't quite hit the mark!
And JQHEADS , does this have some comparison to PETROLHEADS?
Excerpt from the migration notebook:
| The $DOGCAT macro provides an interface to find the address of a CAT. It
| is also recommended that the CAT obtained using $DOGCAT be used for
| finding queue heads rather than $JQHEADS.
| Migration Action: Use $DOGCAT wherever your code has used $CATABLE to
| compute the address of a CAT. Use the CAT found via $DOGCAT to access the
| job queue head for the class.
Stella Wesley-Flynn
HSDS - Leeds Software Services, S390 Team
>>=Stella Wesley-Flynn at 8WE...@UK.IBM.COM said on 7/14/99 7:09=<<
-=Psychedelic Harry=-
http://ldl.net/~zberger/
The manual said "Windows 95 or better", so I used a Macintosh.
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
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The folklore says that the person responsible for that name was canned
by IBM.
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU]On
> Behalf Of Metz, Seymour
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 12:18 PM
> To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
>
>
> How is that any worse than IGDZILLA?
>
-----Original Message-----
From: Stella Wesley-Flynn [SMTP:8WE...@UK.IBM.COM]
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 4:10 AM
To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Nothing particular, just some comments.
I've been going through the jes conversion notebook for upgrading from jes2
5.2 to os390/2.4 jes2
and basically I want to know what the guys in the labs have been smoking
and can I have some?
I mean, DOGCATs - Have they been attempting some weird and wonderful
cloning exercise?
CATABLE...is this a new kittylitter?
I've also found DILBERTS......this is a class cartoon strip although the
animated cartoon just doesn't quite hit the mark!
And JQHEADS , does this have some comparison to PETROLHEADS?
Excerpt from the migration notebook:
But it is no longer the largest load module in MVS. In LPA there are 3
larger:
NAME DATA/MSG ALIASOF TTR MAIN MATCH LENGTH
EUVPDLL 030423 8466312
ECNDLL 009516 4829944
EUVSDLL 02D60B 1814024
I suspect these have something to do with Unix Sys Services (USS).
In linklib there are:
ARCCTL (hsm) 07D10B 3073104
BPXINPVT 085D04 2825904
EUVSSECD 064D1B 2706488
EUVDCECP 055508 2554960
I guess USS is the new champion memory hog.
there are several $DILxxx and $DOGxxx members.
----- Original Message ----- :
:
: P.S. The $DOGBERT and $DILBERT macros came from
: a new control block called a BERT (not sure what the acronym
: stands for) but I guess the developers were having some fun.
Howard M Dean wrote:
> Nope, I believe JES2 is written back east in New York.
>
> Howard Dean
>
> Damc...@aol.com on 07/14/99 07:16:00 AM
> To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU@Internet
> cc: (bcc: Howard M Dean/CA/KAIPERM)
They took one look at ASP and immediately begin to whittle. The desigh
objective was 50% and the working name was Half ASP. They succeeded and
many others decided if it was good enough for NASA it was good enough
for them. The shipped version was Houston Automatic Spooling Priority.
EDWARD J. FINNELL,III(EFIN...@OLDVM.UA.EDU)
ENTERPRISE SYSTEMS/PROJ. MGR.
http://www.ua.edu
Rich Pierson
Lockheed Martin Services
Operations and Support
-----Original Message-----
From: Howard M Dean [SMTP:Howard...@KP.ORG]
Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 1999 8:25 PM
To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
And as JES2 at the IRS says: Many happy $RETURNS.
Howard Dean
P.S. The $DOGBERT and $DILBERT macros came from
a new control block called a BERT (not sure what the acronym
stands for) but I guess the developers were having some fun.
8WE...@UK.IBM.COM on 07/14/99 04:10:00 AM
To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU@Internet
cc: (bcc: Howard M Dean/CA/KAIPERM)
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rick Fochtman [SMTP:Rick.F...@BOTCC.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 7:53 AM
> To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
>
> Well, semi. ASP as originally delivered was probably from one of
> New York houses. When Nasa was in full bloom, they were doing much
> to push the edge of data processing for their vast telemtry, command
> and control, and simulation needs.
I think functional and usable HASP predated ASP by a couple of years.
I remember being deeply involved in an ASP feasibility study in 1971
or so. Nightmare. The bank (for such it was) decided to employ unique
device addresses on each of three 360/65s, but use a common system
generation. So on each system, 2/3rds of the devices generated didn't
exist. IBM had claimed that a 360/50 would act as support to three
360/65 mains. Within a week we knew it was the other way round.
Within the UK, I have to name the systems programming teams at Rolls
Royce and Rank Xerox for making _MAJOR_ contributions to ASP code. As
first shipped, only the concept was any good. I especially hated the
way the consoles rolled - didn't ASP development talk to DIDOCS
development _at_ _all_?
I don't think there was _any_ common code. HASP was essentially a
single monster CSECT.
--
Phil Payne
http://www.isham-research.demon.co.uk
Phone +44 385 302803 Fax +44 870 0883933
First time I saw ASP was at CUNY (City University of New York) in 1973 on a
370/168.
Obviously this doesn't mean they weren't around before that, but it somewhat
validates the time frames.
For the REALLY obscure, does anybody remember CRBE-20? Or CALL-OS? I still
have books on them around someplace...
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phil Payne [SMTP:S390...@ISHAM-RESEARCH.DEMON.CO.UK]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 12:13 PM
> To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
>
inquiring minds want to know!
Scott Harder
Advanced Software Products Group, Inc.
3185 Horseshoe Drive South
Naples, FL 34104
(800) 662-6090
Fax: (941) 649-6391
sco...@aspg.com
> -----Original Message-----
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> Behalf Of Metz, Seymour
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 11:51 AM
> To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
>
>
> That's obscure? What about RUSH? Or RAX? Or the original name
> of Roscoe?
>
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Hall, Ken (ECSS) [SMTP:KeH...@EXCHANGE.ML.COM]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 11:44 AM
> > To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
> >
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Scott Harder [SMTP:Sco...@ASPG.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 12:41 PM
> To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
>
> For anybody who started on TSO (like me - 1983), Roscoe was a pure pain to
> use. I never could get used to it - mostly because we ran both. TSO was
> always there for me to fall back on (or forward on, as the case may be).
> It
> got so the only time I logged onto Roscoe was to see if I could - usually
> the 1st step in troubleshooting some kind of user problem (rule in/out the
> network).
>
> Scott Harder
> Advanced Software Products Group, Inc.
> 3185 Horseshoe Drive South
> Naples, FL 34104
> (800) 662-6090
> Fax: (941) 649-6391
> sco...@aspg.com
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU]On
> > Behalf Of Metz, Seymour
It seems like nobody likes poor ROSCOE...
I started on ROSCOE.. but curiously enough.. it's a lot easier to install an
operating system with TSO than with ROSCOE.
Rob Schramm
Fifth Third Bank
MVS Systems
(513)744-6831
<all comments are my own...>
> For anybody who started on TSO (like me - 1983), Roscoe was a
> pure pain to
> use. I never could get used to it - mostly because we ran
> both. TSO was
> always there for me to fall back on (or forward on, as the
> case may be). It
> got so the only time I logged onto Roscoe was to see if I
> could - usually
> the 1st step in troubleshooting some kind of user problem
> (rule in/out the
> network).
>
> > Behalf Of Metz, Seymour
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 11:51 AM
> > To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
> >
> >
> > That's obscure? What about RUSH? Or RAX? Or the original name
> > of Roscoe?
> >
> > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Hall, Ken (ECSS) [SMTP:KeH...@EXCHANGE.ML.COM]
> > >
To each his own, I guess...
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bruce Black [SMTP:bbl...@FDRINNOVATION.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 12:34 PM
> To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
>
> "Metz, Seymour" wrote:
> >
> > That's obscure? What about RUSH? Or RAX? Or the original name of Roscoe?
>
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob C. Schramm [SMTP:Rob.S...@53.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 12:47 PM
> To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
>
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hall, Ken (ECSS) [SMTP:KeH...@EXCHANGE.ML.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 12:54 PM
> To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
>
-----Original Message-----
From: C. Todd Burrell [SMTP:tbur...@HARLAND.NET]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 10:04 AM
To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
How do you like that one? ;-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Bruce Black [SMTP:bbl...@FDRINNOVATION.COM]
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 12:34 PM
To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
> ROSCOE = Really Obscure System for Computer Online Entry
>
> How do you like that one? ;-)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Metz, Seymour [mailto:sm...@NSF.GOV]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 14:19
> To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
>
>
> I like it, but it's wrong. The original name was WRAP. Who
> knows what that
> stands for?
>
> Tom, please don't spill the beans!
>
> Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jeff Williams [SMTP:jef...@ATTACHMATE.COM]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 2:14 PM
> > To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
> >
> > ROSCOE = Really Obscure System for Computer Online Entry
> >
> > How do you like that one? ;-)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Bruce Black [SMTP:bbl...@FDRINNOVATION.COM]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 12:34 PM
> > To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
> >
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>>> "Edward(Ed) J. Finnell,III" <EFIN...@OLDVM.UA.EDU> 07/15 7:40 AM >>>
Well, semi. ASP as originally delivered was probably from one of
New York houses. When Nasa was in full bloom, they were doing much
to push the edge of data processing for their vast telemtry, command
and control, and simulation needs.
They took one look at ASP and immediately begin to whittle. The desigh
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob C. Schramm [SMTP:Rob.S...@53.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 2:15 PM
> To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
>
> I think that there are some more obscure ones... I've never heard of
> MUSIC.
>
> > ROSCOE = Really Obscure System for Computer Online Entry
> >
> > How do you like that one? ;-)
> >
Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob C. Schramm [SMTP:Rob.S...@53.COM]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 2:19 PM
> To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
>
> Writer Remote Access Protcol..
> *Can you tell I'm guessing!?!?*
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Metz, Seymour [mailto:sm...@NSF.GOV]
> > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 14:19
> > To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> > Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
> >
> >
> > I like it, but it's wrong. The original name was WRAP. Who
> > knows what that
> > stands for?
> >
> > Tom, please don't spill the beans!
> >
> > Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jeff Williams [SMTP:jef...@ATTACHMATE.COM]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 2:14 PM
> > > To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
> > >
> > > ROSCOE = Really Obscure System for Computer Online Entry
> > >
> > > How do you like that one? ;-)
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Bruce Black [SMTP:bbl...@FDRINNOVATION.COM]
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 12:34 PM
> > > To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> > > Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
> > >
> Yes, and you're not even close. The W derives from Geograhy, not
> functionality.
Waterloo?
Just a guess.
"C. Todd Burrell" <tbur...@HARLAND.NET> on 07/15/99 01:04:06 PM
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Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
It seems to me it stood for something like McGill University System for
Interactive Computing
Don't quote me on that, it's been a few years.
We, too, are a ROSCOE shop. I don't care for it, I find it to be very
archaic. The users who have been here for years don't remember ROSCOE ever
being any other name. They do remember the DOS version and even something
called DOS-VOLLEY that was a better editor. If I had to stick a name on
ROSCOE's acronym, it would be something like:
Really Odd System in a Confusing Online Environment
just my $.02
----
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can go wrong, and circumvent these, then a fifth way, unprepared for,
will promptly develop.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU]On
> Behalf Of Rob C. Schramm
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 12:15 PM
> To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
>
>
> I think that there are some more obscure ones... I've never
> heard of MUSIC.
>
> > ROSCOE = Really Obscure System for Computer Online Entry
> >
> > How do you like that one? ;-)
> >
> MUSIC was from McGill University in Canada and worked in a VM environment.
> Can't remember what all the rest of the letters stood for...
Check out http://MUSICM.McGill.CA/~MSI/HTTP/mus53.html
Still going strong it would seem....
Patrick Mullen
Montreal, Canada
Ditto!
I supported and used Roscoe at my first job. I loved it, and didn't
use TSO/ISPF much. Its editor is very powerful. I also liked being
able to do more than 2 things at once (long before logical ISPF
sessions). When I went to a shop that did not have it, I started
writing edit macros to simulate Roscoe functions (see my web site).
Just adding a "stack" command to the ISPF command table to bring up
another primary panel made things much easier.
I'm curious what Roscoe is like now since I haven't used it in about
12 years, but I doubt I would ever prefer it again.
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> I supported and used Roscoe at my first job. I loved it, and didn't
> use TSO/ISPF much. Its editor is very powerful. I also liked being
> able to do more than 2 things at once (long before logical ISPF
> sessions).
I started off in a TSO/ISPF environment then moved to a shop running Software
AG's COM-PLETE. Now there was
a culture shock for you, but once I was used to the environment I found it
superior in many ways. It replaced CICS
as well as TSO/ISPF.
I'll never forget the IBM SE who told me that it was impossible to install an
MVS CBIPO using only COM-PLETE.
Naturally I proved him wrong!
Patrick Mullen
Montreal, Canada
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Zelden [mailto:mze...@FLASH.NET]
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 1999 16:34
> To: IBM-...@BAMA.UA.EDU
> Subject: Re: Nothing particular, just some comments.
>
>
> "C. Todd Burrell" wrote:
> >
> > I used Roscoe for about 6 years before I was hired by a
> shop that did not
> > have Roscoe. So now I am an ISPF/TSO person. However, IBM
> could learn a
> > few lessons from the Roscoe folks about good built in
> commands. And the
> > Roscoe editor beats ISPF's editor every time. I've had to
> write many REXX
> > execs and edit macros to enable me to do what came built in
> with Roscoe.
> >
>
> Ditto!
>
> I supported and used Roscoe at my first job. I loved it, and didn't
> use TSO/ISPF much. Its editor is very powerful. I also liked being
> able to do more than 2 things at once (long before logical ISPF
>I started off in a TSO/ISPF environment then moved to a shop running Software
>AG's COM-PLETE. Now there was
>a culture shock for you, but once I was used to the environment I found it
>superior in many ways.
>
Until you had to take a SLIP trap. COM-PLETE replaced the FLIH address, but
din't have the bits set right to allow a mumble-mumble(PER?). I remember
having to alter memory and reset PSWs to allow mumble-mumble to happen.
Hey, it was a long time ago. Somethings are better off forgotten (or
repressed)
Bruce Baumgart This space intentionally left blank.
baum...@inel.gov
Lockheed-Martin Idaho Tech