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Grace didn't coin the term "bug"?

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Lindy Mayfield

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Mar 15, 2016, 2:52:31 PM3/15/16
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Was watching NCIS Los Angeles and the geek was showing off to the female geek by saying Grace Hopper didn't coin the term bug, but Thomas Edison did. (Which he probably stole from someone else, probably Tesla, but that just me being facetious.)

http://theinstitute.ieee.org/technology-focus/technology-history/did-you-know-edison-coined-the-term-bug

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William Donzelli

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Mar 15, 2016, 2:56:40 PM3/15/16
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No, she did not. The term "bug", relating to flaws and errors in a
circuit*, shows up a fair amount in 1930s ham radio literature, for
example.

* "bug" also applies to automatic Morse keys, of course.

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Richard Pinion

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Mar 15, 2016, 3:07:54 PM3/15/16
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I thought the term debugging came from the days when the first computers
were made from vacuum tubes. The tubes produced light, which in turn
attracted bugs. Periodically, the computer had to be "debugged".

My source was probably urban legend.



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Jesse 1 Robinson

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Mar 15, 2016, 4:34:30 PM3/15/16
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Sounds like folk etymology. Too clever, too cute. And not much light in a vacuum tube.

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Lindy Mayfield

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Mar 15, 2016, 4:38:18 PM3/15/16
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Yeah, I didn't know, thought it was her (she's still an hero of the computer revolution, bugs and all), but when looking I saw wiki is starting an etymological dictionary. Says what you say.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug#Etymology


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No, she did not. The term "bug", relating to flaws and errors in a circuit*, shows up a fair amount in 1930s ham radio literature, for example.

* "bug" also applies to automatic Morse keys, of course.

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CM Poncelet

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Mar 15, 2016, 10:09:02 PM3/15/16
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AFAIK The original Grace Hopper 'bug' was an actual bug - some kind of
moth. There could be a photo of it somewhere.

Mitch Mccluhan

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Mar 15, 2016, 10:43:26 PM3/15/16
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I've seen a photo of the actual bug Grace had used to coin the phrase.

Mitch Mccluhan
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Field, Alan

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Mar 15, 2016, 10:45:27 PM3/15/16
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This?

https://www.google.com/search?q=grace+hopper+bug+picture&biw=1600&bih=760&tbm=isch&imgil=hd3yOe9lqAoxiM%253A%253BzhUDz8dJ4fjqaM%253Bhttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.wired.com%25252F2013%25252F12%25252Fgoogles-doodle-honors-grace-hopper-and-entomology%25252F&source=iu&pf=m&fir=hd3yOe9lqAoxiM%253A%252CzhUDz8dJ4fjqaM%252C_&usg=__W_mU2alM863BQxm2C11rLU2w_uc%3D&ved=0ahUKEwijzbnrl8TLAhXqtYMKHTQTA6MQyjcILw&ei=gMjoVqONLerrjgS0poyYCg#imgrc=hd3yOe9lqAoxiM%3A

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Mitch Mccluhan

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Mar 15, 2016, 10:48:10 PM3/15/16
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I believe that's it. Notice what it says about the "bug" being found in a relay panel.

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William Donzelli

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> I've seen a photo of the actual bug Grace had used to coin the phrase.

Yes, the moth was real, but the issue is that she did not coin the
phrase. It was well known in the engineering world.

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Elardus Engelbrecht

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Mar 16, 2016, 2:17:02 AM3/16/16
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Field, Alan wrote:

>This? [ long address snipped ]

Yes. This is it. I first see that photo of a moth taped to a handwritten note in a university book for Computer Science in year 1987. The book's name is 'Computer' by various authors. There is a paragraph about that moth found and it was believed that moth caused short circuit or something like that.

I will come back with the author list, ISBN and the exact text. I believe the US Navy has copyright on that photo.

Apparently Grace coined the term, but I don't know. But what I know and was told ages ago, the engineers are referring to 'bugs' when they find dead things inside electrical equipment.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

Edward Finnell

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Mar 16, 2016, 2:42:13 AM3/16/16
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Wiki has fairly good syllabus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug#Etymology


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elardus.e...@SITA.CO.ZA writes:

Apparently Grace coined the term, but I don't know. But what I know and
was told ages ago, the engineers are referring to 'bugs' when they find dead
things inside electrical equipment.


Elardus Engelbrecht

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Mar 16, 2016, 2:54:19 AM3/16/16
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Edward Finnell wrote:

>Wiki has fairly good syllabus.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_bug#Etymology

Interesting. Very very interesting.

Thanks Edward for posting this resource. Good reading for all wannabee bug killers. :-)

My least favourite bugs are these bugs called 'Alien' and 'Face Hugger'. That's how the Marines and employees of
Weyland-Yutani Corp are referring to them... ;-)

My worst bug in real life was when I tried to debug a SMF exit. I found the GETMAIN execute and list forms were both defined improperly, causing the SMF exit to be dropped from z/OS after first execution due to the dynamic nature of those exits.

Groete / Greetings
Elardus Engelbrecht

Edward Finnell

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Mar 16, 2016, 3:30:05 AM3/16/16
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We found one deep in IOS after XA conversion. Simultaneous interrupts, temp
errors on tapes, forms check on printers output buffers were not being
serialized and often switched. Depending on timing. don't think there was
even a dump but corrupted databases and log files. 32 hr production outage.


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were both defined improperly, causing the SMF exit to be dropped from z/OS
after first execution due to the dynamic nature of those exits.


Ted MacNEIL

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Mar 16, 2016, 5:34:36 AM3/16/16
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Smithson.
It was a moth caught in relay 71


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John Mattson

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Mar 17, 2016, 12:12:42 PM3/17/16
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This story is from my youth, and may be incompletely remembered....

In Brainerd, MN around 1963 when I was a young teen, I met a fellow who may
have been the victim of that "first real BUG". As I remember his story he
was in the military, cannot remember which branch, and operating a
computer. The thing stopped working and in true military fashion they
called out MP's, CID, FBI, CIA and everyone else as they were sure it was
communist sabotage. They went over the machine with magnifying glasses,
and finger print powder, and grilled this poor fellow, and everyone else
within a mile for hours and then days. Finally, after weeks of this
someone noticed the moth, covered with layers of finger print powder, and
everyone was glad they had caught the commie suicide moth. Well this
fellow was very unhappy at his treatment and needless to say, he did not
re-enlist. Wonder whatever happened to him.

Jesse 1 Robinson

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Mar 17, 2016, 11:36:09 PM3/17/16
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I love it when TV touches on real life. Just watched 3/14 (Pi day!) episode of NCIS Los Angeles.

"Most people think that Grace Hopper invented the term 'bug'. But Tomas Edison used it in 1878."

Couldn't make this up. ;-)

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John Ehrman

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Mar 18, 2016, 12:17:36 AM3/18/16
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The association of bugs with computers may go back to the Mark I (I think
it was) relay computer at Harvard. An error was traced to a moth between
two relay contacts.

In the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA there's a copy of the
logbook page with the moth pasted in place. The display is near other
early computers like the Atanasoff=Berry machine, the Johnniac, a German
Enigma and examples of Konrad Zuse's work. If you're in Silicon Valley, I
urge you to visit; more info at computerhistory.org .

Regards... John

Ted MacNEIL

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Mar 18, 2016, 8:19:00 AM3/18/16
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Relay #70.

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Clark Morris

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On 18 Mar 2016 05:18:44 -0700, in bit.listserv.ibm-main Ted wrote:

>Relay #70.

Was the Grace Hopper quote actually something to the effect that in
the case in question it was a real bug (the moth)?

Clark Morris

Ted MacNEIL

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Mar 18, 2016, 12:32:04 PM3/18/16
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Yes, it was.

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Jesse 1 Robinson

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SHARE will be back in San Jose March 2017. In the hood.

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The association of bugs with computers may go back to the Mark I (I think it was) relay computer at Harvard. An error was traced to a moth between two relay contacts.

In the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA there's a copy of the logbook page with the moth pasted in place. The display is near other early computers like the Atanasoff=Berry machine, the Johnniac, a German Enigma and examples of Konrad Zuse's work. If you're in Silicon Valley, I urge you to visit; more info at computerhistory.org .

Regards...

Linda

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Sweet!! Easy travel distance for me.

You going?

Linda

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Scott Ford

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God I want to talk management into a Share membership, etc.
So I can attend sessions and of course meet everyone I have only emailed
with..

Scott

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Jesse 1 Robinson

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San Jose is a ways off, but it's on my calendar. As for 'SHARE membership', the organization is striving to pull in (or back) installations--and individuals--that may lack current membership credentials.

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God I want to talk management into a Share membership, etc.
So I can attend sessions and of course meet everyone I have only emailed with..

Scott

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> Sweet!! Easy travel distance for me.
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> You going?
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> Linda
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> Sent from my iPhone
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> > SHARE will be back in San Jose March 2017. In the hood.
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> > The association of bugs with computers may go back to the Mark I (I
> think it was) relay computer at Harvard. An error was traced to a
> moth between two relay contacts.
> >
> > In the Computer History Museum in Mountain View CA there's a copy of
> > the
> logbook page with the moth pasted in place. The display is near other
> early computers like the Atanasoff=Berry machine, the Johnniac, a
> German Enigma and examples of Konrad Zuse's work. If you're in
> Silicon Valley, I urge you to visit; more info at computerhistory.org .
> >
> > Regards...


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Linda

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Hi Scott,

Does your company have a tuition reimbursement plan? If so, you might be able to use that. I have.

It was rare that my employer would cover costs for SHARE for me either.

It can also be possible, depending on your circumstances, to use unreimbursed employee business expense deductions on your taxes. Just be sure that you check out all of the rules.

If your company can't be persuaded to join, there are other membership options. Check out SHARE's website for all of the options.

Documenting the business case for other means of obtaining the timely topical training that SHARE provides, can also be very helpful in getting the support you need. Even if the best an employer will do is to pay your time while you are at SHARE, that is a start.

Also, if your company has ever been burned by anyone who claimed that they were going to SHARE, but didn't actually go to SHARE, you will need proof that you actually attended. Be sure to keep your SHARE ID. Selfies at registration, on the vendor floor, at sessions, etc. can serve as a video diary of proof of attendance.

Best of luck to you!

Linda

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Ed Gould

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Linda:

All good suggestions. I have also found that after attending that the
employee should write and CC - everyone on the team - a review of the
days attended (and sessions). highlighting any thing that might be of
use that you learned.

Yes its a PITA but it shows that the sessions are well worth the $$
to attend. In the far distant past I myself paid the expenses to go
to SHARE. Of course I had 4 weeks of vacation at the time and didn't
miss the time off (I got paid for it). In the more recent past I paid
for attendance when it was in Chicago. No travel and the employer
paid for the days in attendance. Of course the bad experience I had
at SCIDS sort of put me off at SHARE, but I made up for it with some
friends that I met up with at SHARE. Also in the last say 35 years +-
I got a lot with hanging out with IBM and not asking questions (other
than what drink did you order). I was lucky as my former SE was at
the WSC and he used to let me in on the gossip there nothing dirty
just fun stuff, like the drunk naked boat water ski that occurred one
summer. Also the IBM rep to our group was retiring and he would let
us have insight (which he probably shouldn't have done as to as to
why requirements were rejected) We just reworded them and resubmitted
them. IBM did not like our group at all as we pounded them with
requirements.

Of the two groups I still prefer GUIDE.

BTW SHARE was the only group that perfected the brush off, GUIDE, all
were welcome. SHARE's web site it works a few times a year and I just
quit using it. SHARE should fire who is ever maintaining the site.

Ed

Edward Finnell

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Wiki quote:
In September 1999, _GUIDE International_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GUIDE_International) , the other major IBM mainframe users group, ceased
operation. Although SHARE did not formally take over GUIDE in the United
States, many of the activities and projects that were undertaken under the aegis
of GUIDE moved to SHARE, and GUIDE suggested to its members that they join
SHARE. In August 2000, SHARE took over the guide.org domain name.
In 2005 SHARE's membership of 20,000 represented some 2,300 enterprise IBM
customers._[5]_
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SHARE_(computing)#cite_note-5)


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I would love to go to GUIDE, but that one is too much for my budget, all
budget items considered.

Linda

Ed Gould

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On Mar 21, 2016, at 2:26 AM, Linda wrote:

> Hi Ed,
>
> Good suggestion about the email - except the last time I did that
> the boss got really pushed out of shape about it! Basically had a
> line at his door of others wanting to go to SHARE too.
>
> So, instead I just send the boss a trip report. I am careful to
> detail how info from the sessions will be put to use in upcoming work.
>
> I would love to go to GUIDE, but that one is too much for my
> budget, all budget items considered.
>
> Linda

Linda:

Thats the line I got from others I CC'd on the email, they wanted to
go as well.
We had budgeted only 1 person a year, We were lucky to get that. I
also remember that other(s) didn't write a trip report.
We had one guy in charge of all the CA products (who made at that
time 20 years ago 100K a year). He would tell us from time to time
what happened at the CA conferences and it sounded to a dollar that
the the non SMPE install-ability of CA products was really a hot button.
I think when it came out that he was making so much it was head lines
and his ability to go to CA conferences was small potato's

Ed

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