z/OS lifecycle

Radoslaw Skorupka

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Apr 3, 2021, 8:27:38 AM4/3/21

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I'm looking for z/OS lifecycle information.
Previously there was simple table somewhere on IBM website, now I cannot
find it. Uncle Google does not help.
The only thing I found is "IBM Support - Software lifecycle", which is
horribly inconvenient and does not contain all z/OS releases.

Any clue?

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DAL POS Raphael

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Apr 3, 2021, 8:47:39 AM4/3/21

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Hi Radoslaw,

I use this :

https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/

Ciao,

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Radoslaw Skorupka

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Apr 3, 2021, 9:04:51 AM4/3/21

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Raphael,
Thank you for your quick answer.

Unfortunately this is the service I called horribly inconvenient. ;-)
And the page does NOT provide information about older z/OS versions. Not
to mention OS/390.

BTW: there is some information on en.wiki, unfortunately there are
serious mistakes there. Maybe because some source provide planned EOS
date, but it was changed later.

Regards

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Radoslaw Skorupka
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W dniu 03.04.2021 o 14:47, DAL POS Raphael pisze:

> Hi Radoslaw,
>
> I use this :
>
> https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/
>
> Ciao,
>
> --------------------------------------------------
> Raphael Dal Pos / z/OS Support
> Generali Shared Services S.c.a.r.l.
> GSS\CIN-MF (Central Infrastructure Mainframe)
> 11-17, Avenue François Mitterrand
> 93200 Saint Denis / France
> Wilo W 03 B1 029C
> Raphael...@generali.com +(33)1-58-38-59-67
> or mobile +(33)6.24.33.20.87
> --------------------------------------------------
> "MVS: Guilty, until proven innocent !!" RDP 2009
>
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-...@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> De la part de Radoslaw Skorupka
> Envoyé : samedi 3 avril 2021 14:27
> À : IBM-...@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Objet : z/OS lifecycle
>
> I'm looking for z/OS lifecycle information.
> Previously there was simple table somewhere on IBM website, now I cannot find it. Uncle Google does not help.
> The only thing I found is "IBM Support - Software lifecycle", which is horribly inconvenient and does not contain all z/OS releases.
>
> Any clue?
>

DAL POS Raphael

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Apr 3, 2021, 9:13:16 AM4/3/21

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Are you referring to this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/360_and_successors

It seems quite accurate with Announcement letter references.

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Raphael Dal Pos / z/OS Support
Generali Shared Services S.c.a.r.l.
GSS\CIN-MF (Central Infrastructure Mainframe)
11-17, Avenue François Mitterrand
93200 Saint Denis / France
Wilo W 03 B1 029C
Raphael...@generali.com +(33)1-58-38-59-67
or mobile +(33)6.24.33.20.87
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kekronbekron

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Apr 3, 2021, 9:20:25 AM4/3/21

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There might be one at the IBM TechDocs site, but it's too annoying to use these days (because it's not a simple list like it used to be!).
You can just check out a recent z/OS v2r4 or v2r5 session at SHARE from IBM and I'm sure they'll have a coloured table/slide with support status.

- KB

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On Saturday, April 3, 2021 6:43 PM, DAL POS Raphael <Raphael...@GENERALI.COM> wrote:

> Are you referring to this:
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OS/360_and_successors
>
> It seems quite accurate with Announcement letter references.
>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>
> Raphael Dal Pos / z/OS Support
> Generali Shared Services S.c.a.r.l.
> GSS\CIN-MF (Central Infrastructure Mainframe)
> 11-17, Avenue François Mitterrand
> 93200 Saint Denis / France
> Wilo W 03 B1 029C
> Raphael...@generali.com +(33)1-58-38-59-67
> or mobile +(33)6.24.33.20.87
>

> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>
> "MVS: Guilty, until proven innocent !!" RDP 2009
>
> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-...@LISTSERV.UA.EDU De la part de Radoslaw Skorupka
>
> Envoyé : samedi 3 avril 2021 15:04
> À : IBM-...@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> Objet : Re: z/OS lifecycle
>
> Raphael,
> Thank you for your quick answer.
>
> Unfortunately this is the service I called horribly inconvenient. ;-) And the page does NOT provide information about older z/OS versions. Not to mention OS/390.
>
> BTW: there is some information on en.wiki, unfortunately there are serious mistakes there. Maybe because some source provide planned EOS date, but it was changed later.
>
> Regards
>

> --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>
> Radoslaw Skorupka
> (looking for new job)
> Lodz, Poland
>
> W dniu 03.04.2021 o 14:47, DAL POS Raphael pisze:
>
> > Hi Radoslaw,
> > I use this :
> > https://www.ibm.com/support/lifecycle/
> > Ciao,
> >

> > Raphael Dal Pos / z/OS Support
> > Generali Shared Services S.c.a.r.l.
> > GSS\CIN-MF (Central Infrastructure Mainframe)
> > 11-17, Avenue François Mitterrand
> > 93200 Saint Denis / France
> > Wilo W 03 B1 029C
> > Raphael...@generali.com +(33)1-58-38-59-67
> > or mobile +(33)6.24.33.20.87
> >

> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

> >
> > "MVS: Guilty, until proven innocent !!" RDP 2009
> > -----Message d'origine-----
> > De : IBM Mainframe Discussion List IBM-...@LISTSERV.UA.EDU De la part de Radoslaw Skorupka
> > Envoyé : samedi 3 avril 2021 14:27
> > À : IBM-...@LISTSERV.UA.EDU
> > Objet : z/OS lifecycle
> > I'm looking for z/OS lifecycle information.
> > Previously there was simple table somewhere on IBM website, now I cannot find it. Uncle Google does not help.
> > The only thing I found is "IBM Support - Software lifecycle", which is horribly inconvenient and does not contain all z/OS releases.
> > Any clue?
>
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Radoslaw Skorupka

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Apr 3, 2021, 10:43:02 AM4/3/21

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Yes, I am.
However I checked EOS dates for some z/OS releases and the difference is
big, even 1 year.
The other source was already mentioned IBM Support - Software lifecycle,
which is incomplete and inconvenient, but IMHO trusted source.

Examples:
z/OS 2.1 EOS
Wiki: 2019-09
IBM: 2018-09-30

z/OS 2.2 EOS
Wiki: 2021-09
IBM: 2020-09-30

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W dniu 03.04.2021 o 15:13, DAL POS Raphael pisze:

Burgess, Otto A. , CTR

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Apr 4, 2021, 6:18:23 AM4/4/21

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Seems like there should be a wiki mainframe with better overview and more detail

I came into it after college, around MVS/XA

Seymour J Metz

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Apr 4, 2021, 8:06:39 AM4/4/21

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I'm one of the editors of [[OS/360 and successors]], and it's been very difficult to find references for [[OS/360 and successors#Timeline]]. If anybody knows of online announcement letters for the empty, "?" or unsourced cells, please edit the article or let me know so I can do it. Likewise for associated incremental change releases, selectable units, program products, e.g., DCF, DF/DS, DF/EF, DF/Sort, DFP, DFSMS, SCRIPT, SMP, , TSO/E, TSO Command Package. Thanks.

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Are you referring to this:

https://secure-web.cisco.com/127XOSiCFx11xQCMROJtsQFnOYxkBoaKPHdrAkc5T6kTHaQoB8C3fzVfSw30FVFPQ9l6I3_F9XkXzgPne4CYAMjVvOseidRY4ud0mt9xLyyZyILMlzAw_I1UT4jH2EIDIReyT5HAaBlxjk7rzEoaitKI0uOcAzK09SMf7CXuL7muQxmr4ynpAnXwLra5fc2pWvdvKlxL3ipx1aBo3U4TTuNMyVU3wokN9Wj1obqL05gYSQ5wPMN4g_yZk5_ZIjYl-kGy1Ph-t2ea4GH1SzNpjxVdG-_G6F7AUFh9F4hCTd_sVufU6QnuAlkQ-318q_-NP7xo95s4Y1Fv0HcMuKjApmn6_ZL5lqNWnN5iTz-AvruvUWdsbkV5ZuA-UD1EMP89n2BYTO_AsJWguKusZevAFzTpnUkQNtQF6JcuJsNgiBbyovTZCxyyv-5Y77GXeqmqs/https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FOS%2F360_and_successors

Seymour J Metz

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Apr 4, 2021, 8:15:10 AM4/4/21

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There are definitely dates that changed from the initial release announcement through EOS. If you have online sources for additions or corrections, post them and [[OS/360 and successors#Timeline]] will get updated.

I wish that the IBM archivist were willing and able to put all of the announcement letters online and index them.

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Sri h Kolusu

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Apr 4, 2021, 12:23:53 PM4/4/21

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> I'm looking for z/OS life cycle information.

Hi Radoslaw,

Please check page 28 which lists the GA and EOS dates for mainframe
operating systems starting from OS/390 V2R8

http://www.newera.com/INFO/Upgrade_to_V2R4_Part1.pdf

Kolusu

Kurt Quackenbush

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Apr 5, 2021, 8:59:11 AM4/5/21

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Is this the page you're looking for? (mind the wrap)
https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=dd&subtype=sm&appname=ShopzSeries&htmlfid=897/ENUS5650-ZOS

Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development
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Kurt Quackenbush

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Apr 6, 2021, 9:45:56 AM4/6/21

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This page provides the life cycle dates for all z/OS V2 releases.
https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=dd&subtype=sm&appname=ShopzSeries&htmlfid=897/ENUS5650-ZOS

Likewise this page for the z/OS V1 releases:
https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=dd&subtype=sm&appname=ShopzSeries&htmlfid=897/ENUS5694-A01

And this page for OS/390 V2:
https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=dd&subtype=sm&appname=ShopzSeries&htmlfid=897/ENUS5647-A01

Curious, why do you want this info for old releases, and why is the
other info you found "horribly inconvenient"?

Kurt Quackenbush -- IBM, SMP/E Development
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Seymour J Metz

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Apr 6, 2021, 1:32:09 PM4/6/21

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I don't know about the OP, but I'd love to have something going back to IBSYS/IBJOB that I could cite in wikipedia articles.

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Radoslaw Skorupka

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W dniu 06.04.2021 o 15:45, Kurt Quackenbush pisze:

> This page provides the life cycle dates for all z/OS V2 releases.
> https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=dd&subtype=sm&appname=ShopzSeries&htmlfid=897/ENUS5650-ZOS
>
>
> Likewise this page for the z/OS V1 releases:
> https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=dd&subtype=sm&appname=ShopzSeries&htmlfid=897/ENUS5694-A01
>
>
> And this page for OS/390 V2:
> https://www-01.ibm.com/common/ssi/cgi-bin/ssialias?infotype=dd&subtype=sm&appname=ShopzSeries&htmlfid=897/ENUS5647-A01
>
>
> Curious, why do you want this info for old releases, and why is the
> other info you found "horribly inconvenient"?

First, thank you for your help, I appreciate it.

Answering your question:
1. Why I want the info.
Just curiosity and noticed discrepancies between some sources (i.e.
wiki). Call it morbid pedantry.
To be honest I have no business interest in it.

2. Convenience
I remember simple table. Clear, easy to use. Similar tables can be found
for z/VM and z/VSE systems - with really ooooold system releases.
Actually the information I found was OK, search process is inconvenient.
I type "z/OS" or "z/OS 2.1" and I get a lot of products and only one or
few z/OS entries. I can imagine more convenient interfaces. Further
explanations on request.

Regards
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Radoslaw Skorupka
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Lodz, Poland