Quiz!!
Christos Kiriazis
Quiz:
An h Episkoph Auhnvn apofashze thn anegersh Xrhstianikhs
Ekklhsias sth Mecca thn gia ekplhrvsh tvn urhskeytikvn ypoxrevsevn
tvn Xristianvn pou zoun ekei, poia ua htan h antidrash tvn Mousoulmanvn;
//Christos
Peter PETROPOULOS
n' xazoi eiste, n' tous xazous paristavete...eidate pou0eva tnv
leksn ``aveksi0rnskeia'' sto syvtagma (exei?) tns Saoudikns Arabias ?
Avti va ksodeuetai salio afnvovtas to va trexei apo ta sagovia sas
trexte va kavetai kivnma va bgei n leksn ``aveksi0rnskeia'' apo to
Syvtagma tns Elladas...
Petros
Christos Tsallos
Grafei o Christos:
> From: Christos Kiriazis <C.Kir...@AGORA.STM.IT>
> To: HEL...@AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: Quiz!!
> Date: 28 September 1997 16:48
>
> Quiz:
>
> An h Episkoph Auhnvn apofashze thn anegersh Xrhstianikhs
> Ekklhsias sth Mecca thn gia ekplhrvsh tvn urhskeytikvn ypoxrevsevn
> tvn Xristianvn pou zoun ekei, poia ua htan h antidrash tvn Mousoulmanvn;
>
> //Christos
Bombistikes evergeies stnv Athiva me stoxo aytous pou tolmnsav kai to
ejefrasav sav idea estw, kai sfagn twv tyxov yarxovtwv Xristiavwv stn
Mecca!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Christos
Myron Kaisides
Graphei o Nikos
> >
> Laqos h analogia. Den nomizw oti h Aqhna einai ieros topos twn apantaxou
> Xristianwn opws einai h Mekka gia tous Mousoulmanous.
> Den proteine kaneis na ftiaxtei tzami se enan iero topo ths Orqodojias
> opws qa htan px to Agion Oros! Ekei tairiazei h analogia tou Xrhstou.
>
> H Aqhna einai prwteuousa kratous pou exei kai ena 1% mousoulmanwn
politwn,
> polloi apo tous opoious zoun sta perixwra ths (Lipasmata ktl.) kai
dexetai
> kaqe xrono ekatontades xiliades perastikous mousoulmanous, enw epishs
> filojenei xiliades foithtes mousoulmanous.
Iparhoun 40.000 mousoulmanoi polites (!!!!!) stin Athina???? Chiliades
(!!!!!!!) foitites
kai ekatontades chiliades (!!!!!!!!) perastikoi mousoulmanoi
Kala min trellathoume teleios. Ta noumera den ehoun kammia shesi me tin
pragmatikota. Ektos an theoreite perastikous osous pernoun me to aeroplano
pano apo tin Athina,polites olous tous paranomous lathrometanastes kai
foitites mousoulmanous tous AEKtzides (os o ipofainomenos) eneka "Tourkoi".
> Se paromoia dieqneis poleis pou briskontai se islamika krath, uparxoun h'
qa
> eprepe
> na uparxoun xristianikoi naoi (Kairo, Algeri, ktl.)
Allo tha eprepe kai allo iparhoun. Stin Aigipto iparhoun ohi jiati einai oi
mousoulmanoi "metriopatheis" alla jiati ena 30-40% tou plithismou einai
Koptes ( orthodoxoi pleon ) christianoi kai einai gnosto to ti ginetai ekei
me tous fanatikous islamistes.
>
> Nikos
Myron
Constantine Thomas
On Sun, 28 Sep 1997 11:48:01 -0400 Christos Kiriazis
<C.Kir...@AGORA.STM.IT> writes:
>Quiz:
>
> An h Episkoph Auhnvn apofashze thn anegersh Xrhstianikhs
>Ekklhsias sth Mecca thn gia ekplhrvsh tvn urhskeytikvn ypoxrevsevn
>tvn Xristianvn pou zoun ekei, poia ua htan h antidrash tvn
>Mousoulmanvn;
Kwstas 0wmas
>
>//Christos
>
Nikos Sarantakos
At 11:48 AM 28/09/97 -0400, Christos Kiriazis wrote:
>Quiz:
>
> An h Episkoph Auhnvn apofashze thn anegersh Xrhstianikhs
>Ekklhsias sth Mecca thn gia ekplhrvsh tvn urhskeytikvn ypoxrevsevn
>tvn Xristianvn pou zoun ekei, poia ua htan h antidrash tvn Mousoulmanvn;
>
>
Laqos h analogia. Den nomizw oti h Aqhna einai ieros topos twn apantaxou
Xristianwn opws einai h Mekka gia tous Mousoulmanous.
Den proteine kaneis na ftiaxtei tzami se enan iero topo ths Orqodojias
opws qa htan px to Agion Oros! Ekei tairiazei h analogia tou Xrhstou.
H Aqhna einai prwteuousa kratous pou exei kai ena 1% mousoulmanwn politwn,
polloi apo tous opoious zoun sta perixwra ths (Lipasmata ktl.) kai dexetai
kaqe xrono ekatontades xiliades perastikous mousoulmanous, enw epishs
filojenei xiliades foithtes mousoulmanous.
Se paromoia dieqneis poleis pou briskontai se islamika krath, uparxoun h' qa
eprepe
na uparxoun xristianikoi naoi (Kairo, Algeri, ktl.)
Nikos
V. Farmaki
At 04:12 =EC=EC 29/9/1997 +0300, you wrote:
>At 22:57 28/09/1997 -0700, Myron Kaisides wrote:
>
>>Iparhoun 40.000 mousoulmanoi polites (!!!!!) stin Athina???? Chiliades
>>(!!!!!!!) foitites
>
ypar3h
>tzamioy apo monoi toys, na eisai bebaios. Ki arketoi moysoylmanoi poy
>pantreythkan edw yparxoyn, ki arketoi 0rakiwtes moysoylmanoi poy metoikhsan
>en A0hnais.
>
>>kai ekatontades chiliades (!!!!!!!!) perastikoi mousoulmanoi
>>Kala min trellathoume teleios.
>
>3enodoxeia Xilton, Dibanh, Karabel, Presintent klp ths A0hnas, na deis=
posoi
>moysoylmanoi [libanezoi, arabes, aigyptioi klp] episkeptontai thn A0hna.=
Sto
>Karabel malakes htan ,les, kai ftia3ane tzami entos toy 3enodoxeioy?
Den yparxei pia katarghthhke.
Veatrikh
[......]
>>Myron
>amoiron
Christos Kiriazis
>
>
>On 28-Set-97,20:51,sar...@innet.lu, wrote:
>
>To: Christos Kiriazis <C.Kir...@AGORA.STM.IT>, HEL...@lists.psu.edu
>From: Nikos Sarantakos <sar...@innet.lu>
>Subject: Re: Quiz!!
Nai Niko, h syngrish htan atyxhs, alla htan eynohto. Xrhshmopoihuhke
gia emfatikous logous. Kapoia gegonota omvs dikaiologoun thn ypar3h
tetoivn sylogismvn. Esy zeis sto Lou3embourgo, katebaineis 40 meres
sthn Ellada se kanena vraio paraueristiko meros opote den zeis merikes
katastaseis. Ela apo ta dv merh na zhseis olo to xrono, kai meta ua deis
giati milav. M' anyshxei pantvs to gegonos oti apomonvnontai, kauvs
epishs o entonos baumos allhleggyhs pou exoun meta3y tvn. Den 3erv
an to gegonos ayto, vfeiletai sthn dikh mas adynamia na tous eisagoume
omala kai nomima stis dikes mas koinvnies, .h. se otidhpote allo.
Den anaferomai stous seixhdes pou erxontai gia diakopes sta kalytera
"jet set" merh, alla ston aplo kosmo pou polles fores xrhsimopoihtai
asxhma apo tous prvtous. Ta 3eroun kalytera ayta, oi mystikes yphresies.
Gyrnvntas sto uema mas, ua kanv mia aplh skech. As ypouesoume
oti lynontai vrismena problhmata ths Turkias vs anafora ta anurvpina
dikaivmata klp klp, kai oti anoigoun oi pvrtes gia thn Eyrvph. Mesa sta
25.000.000 nevn hlhkias katv tvn 25 etvn xvris douleia ua yparxoun
polloi pou ua ueloun na engatastauoun s' ena alla astiko kentro pou
apexei 100 km apo to Agio Oros, dhl. th Thessalonikh. Nomizeis oti
den ua zhthsoun na ktisoun Tzamia sth geneteira tou eidvlou tous;
Exeis kamia protash; kamia idea;
//Christos
Vasilakis Fykos
On 28 Sep 97 at 22:57, Myron Kaisides wrote:
> Iparhoun 40.000 mousoulmanoi polites (!!!!!) stin Athina???? Chiliades
> (!!!!!!!) foitites
> kai ekatontades chiliades (!!!!!!!!) perastikoi mousoulmanoi
> Kala min trellathoume teleios. Ta noumera den ehoun kammia shesi me tin
Ase Kaisidh, prin trelaueis anoije kana Penthouse kai ase ta
noymera ta ejvpragmatika gia kanenan allon..
Vasilakis, etvn 19 kai tria terata
Myron Kaisides
> Aigyptioi, soydanoi, perses klp klp. Arketoi wste na dikaiologoyn thn
> tzamioy apo monoi toys, na eisai bebaios. Ki arketoi moysoylmanoi poy
> pantreythkan edw yparxoyn, ki arketoi 0rakiwtes moysoylmanoi poy
metoikhsan
> en A0hnais.
>
Athina oi Ellines.
Ti mathainei kaneis sto interneti!!!!!
> >kai ekatontades chiliades (!!!!!!!!) perastikoi mousoulmanoi
> >Kala min trellathoume teleios.
>
> Mhn trella0eis, Karntash, alla na to pisteceis, ki ante mia boltitsa apo
ta
> 3enodoxeia Xilton, Dibanh, Karabel, Presintent klp ths A0hnas,
****Xichas tou Chandris.
Tin ipoumin foura pi tha katevi stin Athina tha ts do. Kai go pou nomiza
oti sto Karavel ftiaxan tzami jia na sindiazoun oi mousoulmanoi to terpnon
( kati kopelares naaaaa ) kai to ofelimon (pistis eis ton ALLAH).
na deis posoi
> moysoylmanoi [libanezoi, arabes, aigyptioi klp] episkeptontai thn A0hna.
Sto
> Karabel malakes htan ,les, kai ftia3ane tzami entos toy 3enodoxeioy? [to
> mono ws twra tzami sthn A0hna]. Kai, logw twn patroparadotwn sxesewn
filias
> me toys Arabes, kai logw ths eidikhs sxesews mas me to islam meta ton
Iwannh
> ton Damaskhno kai ton Ag. Grhgorio ton Palama, ofeiloyme to tzami.
> Moysoylmanoi den einai mono oi toyrkoi, 3ereis...
****Den diafono se afta pou les shetika me tis kales sheseis me tous
araves, den ofeiloume omos tipote se kanenan. To tzami den einai provlima
an afora tous araves. Min xehnas oti tzami eihe kai i Constantinoupoli tou
9ou aiona,otan vriskotan se sigkrousi me to islam.To opoiodipote tzami
ktizetai EINAI sovarotato provlima otan afora Tourkous. Mousoulmanoi einai
KAI oi Tourkoi xereis.....
>
> >Allo tha eprepe kai allo iparhoun. Stin Aigipto iparhoun ohi jiati einai
oi
> >mousoulmanoi "metriopatheis" alla jiati ena 30-40% tou plithismou einai
> >Koptes ( orthodoxoi pleon ) christianoi kai einai gnosto to ti ginetai
ekei
> >me tous fanatikous islamistes.
>
> OR0ODO3OI PLEON????? Pote, poylaki moy, oloklhrw0hke o dialogos twn dyo
> ekklhsiwn kai hr0hsan oi aforismoi oristikws, ki egw h ptwxh den to phra
> xampari? Gia na prosexoyme ti grafoyme!
>
>
Poulitsa mou katarhas i koptiki ekklisia kaleitai "Koptiki Orthodoxos
Ekklisia tis Aigiptou"
Kata defteron o dialogos anamesa se Orthodoxous kai Koptes oloklirothike
thetika ton 9/90 stin Genevi me mono tipiko thema tin arsi ton
anathematon,pou stin parousa fasi den ehei kai tosi simasia,an skefteis oti
15 aiones "shismatos" gefirothikan. Se parapembo stin diefthinsi:
http://pharos.bu.edu/cn/articles/OrthodoxUnityDialog.txt
opou boreis na diavaseis to sinolo tis simfonias
> rL
> amoiron (efthinon?)
Myron
Costa Flocas
O entimotatos filos mou klats-praf:
"Avti va ksodeuetai salio afnvovtas to va trexei apo ta sagovia sas
trexte va kavetai kivnma va bgei n leksn ``aveksi0rnskeia'' apo to
Syvtagma tns Elladas..."
Wp!!! Ti blepoun ta matakia mou??? Esy megale mou to les auto??? Re mpas ki
eisai esy pou kaneis poly parea me to Papada??? ;-)))
cf
Lamprini Thoma
At 22:57 28/09/1997 -0700, Myron Kaisides wrote:
>Iparhoun 40.000 mousoulmanoi polites (!!!!!) stin Athina???? Chiliades
>(!!!!!!!) foitites
Aigyptioi, soydanoi, perses klp klp. Arketoi wste na dikaiologoyn thn ypar3h
tzamioy apo monoi toys, na eisai bebaios. Ki arketoi moysoylmanoi poy
pantreythkan edw yparxoyn, ki arketoi 0rakiwtes moysoylmanoi poy metoikhsan
en A0hnais.
>kai ekatontades chiliades (!!!!!!!!) perastikoi mousoulmanoi
>Kala min trellathoume teleios.
Mhn trella0eis, Karntash, alla na to pisteceis, ki ante mia boltitsa apo ta
3enodoxeia Xilton, Dibanh, Karabel, Presintent klp ths A0hnas, na deis posoi
moysoylmanoi [libanezoi, arabes, aigyptioi klp] episkeptontai thn A0hna. Sto
Karabel malakes htan ,les, kai ftia3ane tzami entos toy 3enodoxeioy? [to
mono ws twra tzami sthn A0hna]. Kai, logw twn patroparadotwn sxesewn filias
me toys Arabes, kai logw ths eidikhs sxesews mas me to islam meta ton Iwannh
ton Damaskhno kai ton Ag. Grhgorio ton Palama, ofeiloyme to tzami.
Moysoylmanoi den einai mono oi toyrkoi, 3ereis...
[snip]
>Allo tha eprepe kai allo iparhoun. Stin Aigipto iparhoun ohi jiati einai oi
>mousoulmanoi "metriopatheis" alla jiati ena 30-40% tou plithismou einai
>Koptes ( orthodoxoi pleon ) christianoi kai einai gnosto to ti ginetai ekei
>me tous fanatikous islamistes.
OR0ODO3OI PLEON????? Pote, poylaki moy, oloklhrw0hke o dialogos twn dyo
ekklhsiwn kai hr0hsan oi aforismoi oristikws, ki egw h ptwxh den to phra
xampari? Gia na prosexoyme ti grafoyme!
>
>Myron
rL
amoiron
Myron Kaisides
> > Iparhoun 40.000 mousoulmanoi polites (!!!!!) stin Athina???? Chiliades
> > (!!!!!!!) foitites
>
> Ase Kaisidh, prin trelaueis anoije kana Penthouse kai ase ta
> noymera ta ejvpragmatika gia kanenan allon..
>
> Vasilakis, etvn 19 kai tria terata
Vre Vasilaki den einai arga jia sena tetoia ora.Ante jia ipno, kai otan
eikosariseis ta xanaleme.
Oso jia to PH eisai mikro paidi jia tetoia kaka logakia. Piperi ha ha ha
Myron
Nikos Sarantakos
Enstash! Antiaqlhtiko paixnidi.
(Sto katw-katw, ki auto to .it sth dieuqunsh sou, den shmainei, qarrw,
"Itea"...)
> M' anyshxei pantvs to gegonos oti apomonvnontai, kauvs
>epishs o entonos baumos allhleggyhs pou exoun meta3y tvn. Den 3erv
>an to gegonos ayto, vfeiletai sthn dikh mas adynamia na tous eisagoume
>omala kai nomima stis dikes mas koinvnies, .h. se otidhpote allo.
Edw einai to koumpi. Ki an pio eukola erqoun oi mousoulmanoi na
doulecoun sto lekanopedio (ki ena tzami qa einai paragwn eljhs)
pio polu qa afomoiwqoun kai qa pacoun na einai (an einai) san
sfigmenh groqia.
H monh lush einai na afomoiwqoun -ektos ki an summerizesai
thn protash gia sfagh tous.
Parempiptontws de, kai sto asxeto, na pw kati pou mou ekane
ejairetika kalh entupwsh stis "40 meres" pou katebhka fetos.
Mou ekane qaumasia entupwsh oti sta dhmotika sxoleia
dexontai (profanws katopin entolwn) polu eukola kai xwris
diatupwseis (mono embolia zhtane ki ena pistopoihtiko
gennhsews pou den to polukoitane)
ola ta paidakia ta jena, eite einai rwsakia, eite albanakia,
eite filipinakia, eite polwnakia
eite exei adeia paramonhs h mana tous eite oxi, eite
einai uphretra eite kamparetzou eite o,ti nanai.
Kati adianohto gia thn politismenh eurwph...
Ki auta ta paidia qa ginoun kainourgia ellhnakia.
> Gyrnvntas sto uema mas, ua kanv mia aplh skech. As ypouesoume
>oti lynontai vrismena problhmata ths Turkias vs anafora ta anurvpina
>dikaivmata klp klp, kai oti anoigoun oi pvrtes gia thn Eyrvph. Mesa sta
>25.000.000 nevn hlhkias katv tvn 25 etvn xvris douleia ua yparxoun
>polloi pou ua ueloun na engatastauoun s' ena alla astiko kentro pou
>apexei 100 km apo to Agio Oros, dhl. th Thessalonikh. Nomizeis oti
>den ua zhthsoun na ktisoun Tzamia sth geneteira tou eidvlou tous;
>
> Exeis kamia protash; kamia idea;
Ti na sou pw, mia protash einai na kanoume kampania gia na mh
mpei pote' h tourkia sthn EOK kai mia allh protash einai, efoson
ekeinh mpei na bgoume emeis.
Pantws den nomizw oti h Tourkia qa mpei sthn EOK sto kontino
mellon. An htan ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata to mono problhma qa eixe
hdh mpei. Ta polla kai peinasmena stomaxia einai pou tromazoun
tous etairous mas.
Nikos
Abdullah the Butcher
>Posted on 30 Sep 1997 at 19:28:06 by Myron Kaisides
>
>> Ofeiloyme sthn ane3i0rhskia kai ston sebasmo toy synan0rwpoy mas thn
>> proaspish ths eley0erias olwn na latreyoyn opoion 0eo 0eloyn.
>
>Distihos jia keinous pou epidiokoun dimiourgies meionotiton-mochlon pieseos
>pros mia chora,kati pou ehei petihei se polles periptoseis,stin Ellada oi
>Ellines esto kai kat'onoma Orthodoxoi eimaste 98%.An den apatomai eimaste i
>chora me tin megaliteri omoiogeneia stin Evropi.
*0rnskeytika* isws av kai posoi apo ayto to 98% eivai X0 perav tou vnpio-
baptismou eivai mallov agvwsto.
>I anexithriskeia einai
>sevasti otan iparhoun pistoi allon thriskeion.
Kai gia poious 9a eivai to tzami gia ta spourgitia; Afou de 9a to plnrwseis
esy apo tous forous sou ti se voiazei av oi pistoi pou 9a to xrnsimopoiouv
eivai 100 'n 1000 'n kai 10000; 'H mnpws gia va sebasteis tis 9rnskeytikes
pepoi9nseis kapoiou 9eleis aytos o kapoios va exei apo pisw tou xiliades
(opote profavws kai 9a tov sebasteis av de 9es fasaries);
>Emeis sto Ellada pame na
>"efevroume" pistous,meionotites kai alla oste na erhetai o uncle Sam kai na
>mas kanei "paratiriseis" jia kakometaheiriseis aniparkton meionotiton.
Siga re Evtisov... Dnladn ti amfiballeis, pws yparxouv Ellnves polites stnv
A9nva pou eivai mousoulmavoi; Pngaive mia bolta apo tis geitovies tous va
3estrabw9eis. 'H mnpws exeis tnv apaitnsn va eivai osoi eivai kai stn 0rakn
protou tous avagvwriseis to dikaiwma va ftia3ouv eva tzami (dev eipame va
tous to ftia3eis esy); Kai ola ayta peri avyparktwv meiovotntwv pou kollave;
Oi Ellnves polites mousoulmavikns 9rnskeias eivai avyparktoi; Meiovotnta (se
avtidiastoln me tnv pleiovotnta twv XO) dev eivai; Kai oi metavastes apo tis
mousoulmavikes xwres pou dev eivai meiovotnta (ka9ws dev eivai polites) ti
ftaive va plnrwvouv ki aytoi tis paraloges fobies sas pws eva tzami stnv
A9nva 9a apotelouse "efeyresn meiovotntas"; Av mn ti allo ayto eivai kakome-
taxeirnsn av9rwpwv pou de se exouv blajei.
>Tin
>omoiogeneia aftin o ellinismos tin "katektise" me tromaktikes apoleies se
>zoes kai periousies me tin antallagi plithismon to 1922-23.
Kai ayto ti sxesn exei me eva tzami gia osous mousoulmavous zouv stnv A9nva
*twra*. Av se evoxlei n ypar3n tous bges stous dromous va to pai3eis Xrysay-
gitns ti va sou pw...
[snip]
>> Kai ti egine? Ayto kanei oloys toys moysoylmanoys toyrkoys .h. oloys toys
>> toyrkoys moysoylmanoys? [exei ki alebites, 3ereis...]. H misallodo3ia
>> ka0oloy or0odo3h de moy fainetai.
>>
>Fisika kai alevites (mousoulmanoi einai kai aftoi xereis apla pio
>metriopatheis) kai orthodoxous christianous. Mias kai eisai reporter rota
>tous peri misallodoxias stin M.Asia kai meta ela na kaneis "mathimata"
>ithikis.
Megale n9ike daskale - to of9almos avti of9almou ypoti9etai pws katargn9nke
stov Xristiavismo... Tnv epomevn fora pou pas sto Oros 9ymnsou kai ligaki
tnv ousia tou giati eisai ekei giati to poly podosfairo se exei peira3ei.
Abdul
Crystal Apostolou
In a message dated 97-09-30 19:42:54 EDT, myr...@ATH.FORTHNET.GR writes:
<< Allous orthodoxous christianous
den gnorizo.(kai den milao jia tin arhiepiskopi Athinon kai pasis... alla
jia tin Orthodoxia en sinolo) .
>>
Kala kai oi Rossoi ti eginan?
CA
Lamprini Thoma
At 16:38 29/09/1997 +0300, V. Farmaki wrote:
>>moysoylmanoi [libanezoi, arabes, aigyptioi klp] episkeptontai thn A0hna. Sto
>>Karabel malakes htan ,les, kai ftia3ane tzami entos toy 3enodoxeioy?
>
>Den yparxei pia katarghthhke.
Den to h3era, ki exei endiaferon.
Giati, omws? Mhpws 3ereis Beatrikh?
>
>Veatrikh
rL
Lamprini Thoma
At 22:20 29/09/1997 -0700, Myron Kaisides wrote:
[snip ta anohta sxolia,pame sto zoymi]
>****Den diafono se afta pou les shetika me tis kales sheseis me tous
>araves, den ofeiloume omos tipote se kanenan.
Ofeiloyme sthn ane3i0rhskia kai ston sebasmo toy synan0rwpoy mas thn
proaspish ths eley0erias olwn na latreyoyn opoion 0eo 0eloyn.
To tzami den einai provlima
>an afora tous araves.
Dhl., an baloyme enan typo e3w apo to tzami na kanei fe.i.s kontrol, kai na
rixnei porta stoys toyrkoys, afhnontas mono toys arabes, esy den exeis
antirrhsh etsi? Opoia logikh!!!!
> Min xehnas oti tzami eihe kai i Constantinoupoli tou
>9ou aiona,otan vriskotan se sigkrousi me to islam.To opoiodipote tzami
>ktizetai EINAI sovarotato provlima otan afora Tourkous. Mousoulmanoi einai
>KAI oi Tourkoi xereis.....
Kai ti egine? Ayto kanei oloys toys moysoylmanoys toyrkoys .h. oloys toys
toyrkoys moysoylmanoys? [exei ki alebites, 3ereis...]. H misallodo3ia
ka0oloy or0odo3h de moy fainetai.
[peri koptwn]
>Poulitsa mou katarhas i koptiki ekklisia kaleitai "Koptiki Orthodoxos
>Ekklisia tis Aigiptou"
Koptikh, dhl., apokomenh, dhladh, proxalkhdonia, dhladh anoi3e kana biblio,
neos. Ki oi Ebraioi ths Mea Searim legontai Or0odo3oi Ebraioi, alla
xristianoi den einai. H le3h or0odo3os exei ki allo nohma, dhladh...
>Kata defteron o dialogos anamesa se Orthodoxous kai Koptes oloklirothike
>thetika ton 9/90 stin Genevi me mono tipiko thema tin arsi ton
>anathematon,
O dialogos den oloklhrw0hke dioti den einai typiko 0ema h metatroph agiwn se
airetikoys [ayto perilambanei meta3y allwn h arsh twn ana0ematwn], eidika
otan aytoi oi agioi feroyn ton xarakthrismo Pateras kai Megas. Oyte h kyrh3h
"agiwn" se airetikoys - kati poy prepei na kanoyn oi koptes...
pou stin parousa fasi den ehei kai tosi simasia,an skefteis oti
>15 aiones "shismatos" gefirothikan. Se parapembo stin diefthinsi:
> http://pharos.bu.edu/cn/articles/OrthodoxUnityDialog.txt
> opou boreis na diavaseis to sinolo tis simfonias
Den xreiazetai, dioti to 1991 bre0hka stis koptikes mones, gia xathri ths
Ka0hmerinhs tote, kai milhsa gia to 0ema me ton kopth patriarxh kai ton diko
mas, Makaristo Par0enio, kai 3erw poly kala poy kollhse h symfwnia [dystyxws
kollhse] kai giati. Mallon esy den exeis katalabei ti shmainei ana0ema sthn
or0odo3ia, oyte to rolo twn zhlwtwn en0en kakei0en. Bebaiws kai eyxomai na
oloklhrw0ei h prosxwrhsh sto Or0o Dogma twn adelfwn Koptwn, alla as mhn
arnoymaste th spoydaioththa twn diaforwn poy apo to 90 exoyn odhghsei sto
pagwma twn synomiliwn. Dialogos de shmainei symfwnia, mh mperdeyesai. Ki oso
ki an o sygkekrimenos einai o epityxesteros dialogos sto symboylio twn
ekklhsiwn, kai sigoyra 0a eyodw0ei kapote ["syntoma" synh0iza na lew alla ta
xronia pernane], exei akomh dromo.
>Myron
rL
V. Farmaki
Geia sou Lambrinh
Den pistevw na yphrxe kapoia skopimoths.=20
Apo proswpikes mou gnwseis logw epaggelmatos sta touristika sou anaferw ta
e3hs me epifyla3h, xwris na eimai apolytws sigourh oti afta einai kai
tipot' allo.
To 3enodoxeio afto palaiotera eixe pragmatika ypovathmisthei se megalo
vathmo me apotelesma na katarefsei oikonomika kai meta ton thanato tou
prwhn idiokthth na poulhthei. Sto diasthma ths stadiakhs katarefshs tou
oikonomika kai kyriws poiotika, eixe pragmatika vgalei afto pou onomazoume
"kako" onoma. Dhladh den tha mporouses na valeis ekei kapoion sovaro pelath.=
=20
Kataklyzotan apo araves e3 ou kai h kataskeyh enos "typou" tzamiou pou
edine thn aisthhsh oti egine gia na e3yphretei tis thrhskeftikes anagkes
twn enoikwn - episkeptwn tou. Den 3erw alhtheia poso sovara kai gia poso
kairo leitourghse. Giati to katalavaineis ki esy oti nai men htan gnwsto
oti yphrxe ekei ena tzami, alla fantazomai tha htan dyskolo gia enan aplo,
endexomenws ftwxo mousoulmano, ergath 'h apo ftwxh perioxh thw Athhnas na
phgainei se ena polyteles 3enodoxeio, ston teleftaio tou orofo (roof
garden) gia na prosefxhthei. Etsi to vlepw egw.=20
En pasei periptwsei, to 3enodoxeio exei perielthei edw kai liga xronia se
allon idiokthth o opoios to anakainhse ek vathrwn prospathwntas kai to exei
petyxei se poly megalo vathmo na alla3ei to yfos, thn poiothta, thn
nootropia kai to exei ferei sto standart twn 3enodoxeiwn ypshlwn
prodiagrafwn. Mesa sthn olh afth allagh pistevw pws alla3e kai h proelefsh
oikonomikh kai gewgrafikh twn episkeptwn tou pou kata thn dikh mou panta
gnwmh den exei thn anagkh ths xrhshs aftou tou xwrou.
O xwros an den kanw lathos einai en axrhsteia. Epishma pantws den=
leitourgei.
Veatrikh =20
Myron Kaisides
> [snip ta anohta sxolia,pame sto zoymi]
me anoita sholia apanto sta anoita sholia sinithos.....
> Ofeiloyme sthn ane3i0rhskia kai ston sebasmo toy synan0rwpoy mas thn
> proaspish ths eley0erias olwn na latreyoyn opoion 0eo 0eloyn.
Distihos jia keinous pou epidiokoun dimiourgies meionotiton-mochlon pieseos
pros mia chora,kati pou ehei petihei se polles periptoseis,stin Ellada oi
Ellines esto kai kat'onoma Orthodoxoi eimaste 98%.An den apatomai eimaste i
chora me tin megaliteri omoiogeneia stin Evropi. I anexithriskeia einai
sevasti otan iparhoun pistoi allon thriskeion. Emeis sto Ellada pame na
"efevroume" pistous,meionotites kai alla oste na erhetai o uncle Sam kai na
mas kanei "paratiriseis" jia kakometaheiriseis aniparkton meionotiton. Tin
omoiogeneia aftin o ellinismos tin "katektise" me tromaktikes apoleies se
zoes kai periousies me tin antallagi plithismon to 1922-23.
> Dhl., an baloyme enan typo e3w apo to tzami na kanei fe.i.s kontrol, kai
na
> rixnei porta stoys toyrkoys, afhnontas mono toys arabes, esy den exeis
> antirrhsh etsi? Opoia logikh!!!!
>
Afto kai an einai anoito sholio!
>
> Kai ti egine? Ayto kanei oloys toys moysoylmanoys toyrkoys .h. oloys toys
> toyrkoys moysoylmanoys? [exei ki alebites, 3ereis...]. H misallodo3ia
> ka0oloy or0odo3h de moy fainetai.
>
Fisika kai alevites (mousoulmanoi einai kai aftoi xereis apla pio
metriopatheis) kai orthodoxous christianous. Mias kai eisai reporter rota
tous peri misallodoxias stin M.Asia kai meta ela na kaneis "mathimata"
ithikis.
>
> [peri koptwn]
>
>
> Koptikh, dhl., apokomenh, dhladh, proxalkhdonia, dhladh anoi3e kana
biblio,
> neos. Ki oi Ebraioi ths Mea Searim legontai Or0odo3oi Ebraioi, alla
> xristianoi den einai. H le3h or0odo3os exei ki allo nohma, dhladh...
>
Alla lene oi idioi oi Koptes jia tin onomasia tous. Koptiki proerhetai apo
tin lexi Aigiptos (kata tous koptes panta). I pliris onomasia einai
"Christianiki koptiki Orthodoxos ekklisia" Allous orthodoxous christianous
den gnorizo.(kai den milao jia tin arhiepiskopi Athinon kai pasis... alla
jia tin Orthodoxia en sinolo) .
> >Kata defteron o dialogos anamesa se Orthodoxous kai Koptes oloklirothike
Ipirxe simfonia to 1990 (se xanaparapembo sto site),mallon esy eisai ligo
berdemeni. Tora ean den ehei prohorisei tipote afti einai mia alli istoria.
Pistevo oti tha oloklirothei i proseggisi. Ta peri sigkliseos ton dio
adelfon ekklision eiha kai ego tin efkairia na sizitiso se episkepsi Kopton
stin moni Simonos Petras to 1995,opou etihe na parevriskomai kai ego.
Y.G Sigharitiria jia ton PAOK afou ipotheto (!) oti eisai Mpaoktzou.:-))))
filika
Myron
en AEK pistos
> >Myron
>
> rL
Vasilakis Fykos
Leei o Psaraklas:
> Distihos jia keinous pou epidiokoun dimiourgies meionotiton-mochlon pieseos
> pros mia chora,kati pou ehei petihei se polles periptoseis,stin Ellada oi
> Ellines esto kai kat'onoma Orthodoxoi eimaste 98%.
Ara perisseyei ena 2% etsi?
Alla meta janaleei o Psaraklas:
> Emeis sto Ellada pame na
> "efevroume" pistous,meionotites kai alla oste na erhetai o uncle Sam kai na
> mas kanei "paratiriseis" jia kakometaheiriseis aniparkton meionotiton. Tin
Ti anyparkth re Psarakla, tvra den eipes oti einai 2%?
Penthouse Mathematics..
Myron Kaisides
leei to arti enilikiothen:
TSA to mikro xerei kai xenes glosses! Mathematics (opos leme mathimatika)
Oso jia to ti leei asta kalitera.
Myron
Myron Kaisides
Crystal efi
> << Allous orthodoxous christianous
> den gnorizo.(kai den milao jia tin arhiepiskopi Athinon kai pasis...
alla
> jia tin Orthodoxia en sinolo) .
> >>
>
>
> CA
Ma afto akrivo ennoousa oloi oi orthodoxoi ohi monon oi Ellines----->
Rossoi, Voulgaroi,Roumanoi,Servoi klp
Myron
Homer Faidas
Nikos Sarantakos wrote:
> At 01:59 AM 01/10/97 -0700, Myron Kaisides wrote:
>
> >Distihos jia keinous pou epidiokoun dimiourgies meionotiton-mochlon pieseos
> >pros mia chora,kati pou ehei petihei se polles periptoseis,stin Ellada oi
> >Ellines esto kai kat'onoma Orthodoxoi eimaste 98%.An den apatomai eimaste i
> >chora me tin megaliteri omoiogeneia stin Evropi.
>
> Mallon apatasai. Portogalia.
>
> Ta upoloipa den ta sxoliazw, einai tria poulakia kaqontai.
> Wstoso, gia na poume kai tou Murwna to dikio, ki egw exw thn
> entupwsh oti to Kopths etumologeitai apo to Aiguptios.
>
> Nikos
Sumfwva me tnv CIA, apo 8rnskeutikn apopsn:
http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/nsolo/factbook/po.htm
n portogalia eivai 97% ka8olikoi 1% protestavtes 2% alloi.
H ellada twra eivai:
98% or8odo3oi, 1.3% mousoulmavoi, 0.7% alloi
http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/nsolo/factbook/gr.htm
Movo n Ispavia 99% kai to Batikavo 100% mas trwve
se 8rhskeutikn omoiogeveia.
Bebaia me baskous kai katalavous n ispavikn omoiogeveia ev gevei
upoleipetai.
omnros
Myron Kaisides
Abdul efi
> *0rnskeytika* isws av kai posoi apo ayto to 98% eivai X0 perav tou vnpio-
> baptismou eivai mallov agvwsto.
Fisika,einai agnosto kai jia afto den to anaferoume os epiheirima.
> Kai gia poious 9a eivai to tzami gia ta spourgitia; Afou de 9a to
plnrwseis
> esy apo tous forous sou ti se voiazei av oi pistoi pou 9a to
xrnsimopoiouv
> eivai 100 'n 1000 'n kai 10000; 'H mnpws gia va sebasteis tis
9rnskeytikes
> pepoi9nseis kapoiou 9eleis aytos o kapoios va exei apo pisw tou xiliades
> (opote profavws kai 9a tov sebasteis av de 9es fasaries);
Mallon jia ta spourgitia einai. Kai fisika me endiaferei an einai 100 i
1000. Me endiaferei akomi kai to gegonos oti allos plironei. Jiati plironei
ama oi pistoi einai monon 100??? kapoion lakko ehei i fava,ti les?
Vevaia o Allah edose petrelaio se anthropous pou den boroun na to
ekmetalleftoun sosta. Kai anti na anaptissoun sosta tin chora tous, oste na
parameinoun plousioi kai afou teleiosei to petrelaio kathontai kai chtizoun
tzamia se chores kai se poleis CHORIS mousoulmanous (ektos apo kati
lathrometanastes,aftoi vevaia DEN einai Ellines polites) .
>> Siga re Evtisov... Dnladn ti amfiballeis, pws yparxouv Ellnves polites
stnv
> A9nva pou eivai mousoulmavoi; Pngaive mia bolta apo tis geitovies tous va
> 3estrabw9eis. 'H mnpws exeis tnv apaitnsn va eivai osoi eivai kai stn
0rakn
> protou tous avagvwriseis to dikaiwma va ftia3ouv eva tzami (dev eipame va
> tous to ftia3eis esy); Kai ola ayta peri avyparktwv meiovotntwv pou
kollave;
> Oi Ellnves polites mousoulmavikns 9rnskeias eivai avyparktoi; Meiovotnta
(se
> avtidiastoln me tnv pleiovotnta twv XO) dev eivai; Kai oi metavastes apo
tis
> mousoulmavikes xwres pou dev eivai meiovotnta (ka9ws dev eivai polites)
ti
> ftaive va plnrwvouv ki aytoi tis paraloges fobies sas pws eva tzami stnv
> A9nva 9a apotelouse "efeyresn meiovotntas"; Av mn ti allo ayto eivai
kakome-
> taxeirnsn av9rwpwv pou de se exouv blajei.
>
Ego zo stin Athina kai xero.Esy zeis ego den xero pou OK? An theoreis tin
Ellada missalodoxi meine ekei pou eisai.Milas jia metanastes i
lathrometanastes? Poies paraloges fovies??? Ehei kammia chora tis EE tin
Tourkia ton missalodoxon mousoulmanon dipla tis,ton ethnikiston grizon
likon,ton apolitiston varvaron,ton amorfoton sfageon?? Ase palikari,oraia
ta paramithakia kai oi oraiopoiimenes apopseis jia filies ton laon,alla me
tous Tourkous den ginetai tipote.Otan ginoun kai aftoi diethnistes san kai
sena kai epitrepoun kai se allofilous tous na anapneoun tote na to
xanasizitisoume. To na parahoroume monima emeis kai na pairnoun monima
ekeinoi einai kati pou paihtike arketes fores kai mas ehei kourasei.
> >Tin
> >omoiogeneia aftin o ellinismos tin "katektise" me tromaktikes apoleies
se
> >zoes kai periousies me tin antallagi plithismon to 1922-23.
>
> Kai ayto ti sxesn exei me eva tzami gia osous mousoulmavous zouv stnv
A9nva
> *twra*. Av se evoxlei n ypar3n tous bges stous dromous va to pai3eis
Xrysay-
> gitns ti va sou pw...
>
aaaa.... Ithikos ekviasmos etsi??? i simfono me afta pou les i eimai
fasistas ha ha ha ta ehoume xanakousei.Na vgo alla afou den iparhoun, pou
tha tous vro??? stis engiklopaideies?
>>
> Megale n9ike daskale - to of9almos avti of9almou ypoti9etai pws
katargn9nke
> stov Xristiavismo... Tnv epomevn fora pou pas sto Oros 9ymnsou kai ligaki
> tnv ousia tou giati eisai ekei giati to poly podosfairo se exei peira3ei.
Den eimai ithikos daskalos se antithesi me olous esas tous "diethnistes".
Zo stin chora mou,den enochlo kanenan alla eho sihathei tis "ithikes"
pareneseis peri laon kai meionotiton.Eimaste 98% Ellines christianoi kai se
opoion aresei. Se opoion den aresei na paei stin chora tou na to paixei
"anetos"
Abdul
Myron
Abdullah the Butcher
>Posted on 1 Oct 1997 at 18:11:48 by Myron Kaisides
>
>Abdul efi
>> *0rnskeytika* isws av kai posoi apo ayto to 98% eivai X0 perav tou vnpio-
>> baptismou eivai mallov agvwsto.
>
>Fisika,einai agnosto kai jia afto den to anaferoume os epiheirima.
Dev prose3es tnv emfasn mou sto *9rnskeytika*. Ayto de leei tipota gia
allou eidous omoiogeveies kai avomoiogeveies tis opoies tis epiases ki
esy kai o Saravtakos stnv koubevta sas argotera. Gi' aytes, idiws apo
tote pou pajame stis apografes va ta rwtame dev exoume episnma stoixeia
kai sta avepisnma avaloga me tov paratnrntn kai ta kritnria tou givetai
megalo spekoulo. Alla ayto eivai alln syzntnsn gia alln fora.
[snip]
>Mallon jia ta spourgitia einai. Kai fisika me endiaferei an einai 100 i
>1000. Me endiaferei akomi kai to gegonos oti allos plironei. Jiati plironei
>ama oi pistoi einai monon 100??? kapoion lakko ehei i fava,ti les?
Giati eivai malakas - n ypar3n mias ekklnsias 'n evos tzamiou oute pistous
pros9etei (ektos ki av vomizeis pws 3afvika 9a alla3opistnsouv oi perioikoi)
oute allo arvntiko apotelesma exei ektos apo to va givetai kokkivo pavi sta
matia misallodo3wv pou leitourgouv me ta myala tayrou... ;->
>Vevaia o Allah edose petrelaio se anthropous pou den boroun na to
>ekmetalleftoun sosta. Kai anti na anaptissoun sosta tin chora tous, oste na
>parameinoun plousioi kai afou teleiosei to petrelaio kathontai kai chtizoun
>tzamia se chores kai se poleis CHORIS mousoulmanous (ektos apo kati
>lathrometanastes,aftoi vevaia DEN einai Ellines polites) .
Ta pnres ola ki efyges. Kat' arxnv efosov opws mas les eivai toso xazoi pou
va 9elouv va ta spatalnsouv giati va mnv tous ta paroume emeis afou 9elouv
va mas ta dwsouv. Kata deyterov dev eivai toso xazoi oso vomizeis, tnv partn
tous koitave giati 3erouv pws av avebei to biotiko epipedo tou laou tous 9a
arxisei va zntaei kati parapavw apo 9eokratia kai meta pave oi Emirndes. :-)
Etsi protimouv va ta 3odeyouv alliws ta perisseymata tous. Kata tritov n
A9nva exei mousoulmavous, oxi movo 100 oute bebaia kai ekatovtades xiliades.
Yparxouv kai evdiamesa voumera. Kata tetartov dev eivai oloi tous la9rometa-
vastes, alloi eivai foitntes, alloi vomimoi metavastes (apo gamo 'n meta
tis katallnles diadikasies) kai alloi telos mousoulmavoi apo tnv 0rakn 'n
akoma kai apo tous elaxistous twv Dwdekavvnswv pou nr9av stnv A9nva pros
avazntnsn mias kalyterns zwns. Kai kata pemptov akoma kai av *oloi* tous dev
ntav Ellnves polites (dnladn dev ypnrxe n teleytaia apo tis parapavw omades)
pou eivai to mempto sto va tous xtisei ('n va tous bon9nsei kapoios va xti-
souv) vao; Dnladn eav egw pngaiva va spoudasw se kapoia gwvia tns Utah ava-
mesa stous Mormovous kai o Latsns gia paradeigma apofasize va mas dwsei xrn-
mata va xtisoume emeis oi foitntes Ellnvor9odo3o vao ekei ayto 9a ntav apara-
dekto 'n ek tou povnrou epeidn de 9a eimaste Amerikavoi polites; ;-) Les kai
n parousia tou vaou 9a ntav apodeiktiko stoixeio "ellnvikns meiovotntas" stn
Utah... :-> 0emn, 9a trwgame 3ylo apo tous Mormovous Myrwves e; :->
[snip]
>Ego zo stin Athina kai xero.Esy zeis ego den xero pou OK? An theoreis tin
>Ellada missalodoxi meine ekei pou eisai.
3eradia 3ereis. :-) Ki egw stnv A9nva zousa mexri priv merika xrovia kai twra
akoma ekei paw dyo fores to xrovo alla tnv polln misallodo3ia kai kretivismo
xreiastnke va er9w edw sto RI va ta gvwrisw mesw tns HELLAS... ;-) Apo ekei
kai pera, stnv Ellada skopeyw va gyrisw kai efosov blepw ta straba kapou
fwvazw opws o ka9evas pou dev tou aresei kati. Dnladn pws tnv exeis dei tnv
Ellada, "take it or leave it?", straba dev yparxouv, dyvatotntes beltiwsns
dev ti9ovtai, kivdyvoi va xeiroterejouv kapoies katastaseis dev yfistavtai;
Sto katw-katw tns grafns n HELLAS prosferetai gia tetoia koubevta. :-)
>Milas jia metanastes i lathrometanastes? Poies paraloges fovies???
Milaw gia Ellnves polites prwtistws kai apo ekei kai pera gia metavastes.
Idiws stous prwtous to va arvn9eis ta vomima eivai parabiasn tns idias tns
evvoias tou kratous dikaiou. Oi la9rometavastes apaitnseis de mporouv va
exouv, av kaveis 9elei va tous kavei xarn exei kalws.
>Ehei kammia chora tis EE tin
>Tourkia ton missalodoxon mousoulmanon dipla tis,ton ethnikiston grizon
>likon,ton apolitiston varvaron,ton amorfoton sfageon?? Ase palikari,oraia
>ta paramithakia kai oi oraiopoiimenes apopseis jia filies ton laon,alla me
>tous Tourkous den ginetai tipote.Otan ginoun kai aftoi diethnistes san kai
>sena kai epitrepoun kai se allofilous tous na anapneoun tote na to
>xanasizitisoume. To na parahoroume monima emeis kai na pairnoun monima
>ekeinoi einai kati pou paihtike arketes fores kai mas ehei kourasei.
Kala ti kapvizeis ekei pou eisai; Pou kollave oi Tourkoi kai pou ta peri
filias twv lawv; Ase pou m' ebgales kai die9vistn kai 9a sixtirizei o
Koutalos kai o Skoufos gia tnv prosboln pou tous ekaves... :-) Gia to di-
kaiwma vomotagwv Ellnvwv politwv kai metavastwv va xtisouv (xwris va epi-
baryvouv to Ellnviko dnmosio kai tov forologoumevo) vao sto 0eo tous milame
toso kairo. Epeidn dnladn oi Tourkoi eivai ola ayta pou les prepei ki emeis
va pesoume sto epipedo tous kai tnv oln fasn va tnv plnrwsouv asxetoi av9rw-
poi;
[snip]
>> Kai ayto ti sxesn exei me eva tzami gia osous mousoulmavous zouv stnv
>>A9nva
>>*twra*. Av se evoxlei n ypar3n tous bges stous dromous va to pai3eis
>>Xrysaygitns ti va sou pw...
>>
>aaaa.... Ithikos ekviasmos etsi??? i simfono me afta pou les i eimai
>fasistas ha ha ha ta ehoume xanakousei.
Prose3e mnv pa9eis tipota apo ta polla ta gelia. Av prose3es dev egraja
"sav kalos Xrysaygitns" alla "va to pai3eis Xrysaygitns". Oxi tipot' allo
alla o Xrysaygitns tns listas (pou tou kobei kai perissotero mallov) to
epiase kai to sxoliase se proswpiko. Oxi tnv tampella tou Xrysaygitn de
stnv ebala - esy bebaia m' ebgales kai die9vistn kai osoi stn lista exouv
pragmati kapws die9vistikes apojeis 9a gelasav me tnv jyxn tous pou apo
stratokaylos (kata tov Faylo :-> - kala eivai 3adelfn mia kai rwtas) 3ava-
giva die9vistns. Apofasiste telos pavtwv ti eimai... :-) Alla apo ekei kai
pera aytoi pou dev tous 9elouv tous mousoulmavous stnv A9nva kai kavouv ka-
ti gi' ayto eivai oi Xrysaygites (toulaxistov etsi parousiazovtai, o Gew-
rgiou amfiballei :-). Ama dev tous 9es kave ki esy ta idia. ;->
>Na vgo alla afou den iparhoun, pou tha tous vro??? stis engiklopaideies?
Oxi sto Gkazi. Pngaive mia bolta mpas kai 3ypvnseis apo to VR sou... ;-)
Kai av de me pisteyeis emeva arketa wste va mpeis stov kopo va pas apo
ekei diabase kai to parakatw:
http://193.92.17.22/past/1997/02/20/on-line/keimena/greece/greece9.htm
gia tous mousoulmavous sto Gkazi. Kala egw "de 3erw" kai ta bgazw apo to
myalo mou, kai n "E" toso poly pleov douleyei tov kosmo ki as mnv eivai
Prwtaprilia; ;->
>> Megale n9ike daskale - to of9almos avti of9almou ypoti9etai pws
>> katargn9nke
>> stov Xristiavismo... Tnv epomevn fora pou pas sto Oros 9ymnsou kai ligaki
>> tnv ousia tou giati eisai ekei giati to poly podosfairo se exei peira3ei.
>
>Den eimai ithikos daskalos se antithesi me olous esas tous "diethnistes".
Ti egive twra kai me ypobibases se die9vistn me eisagwgika; :-) Mnv avn-
syxeis de se pare3ngnsa, to 3erw pws ta peri Xristiavismou ta blepeis po-
dosfairika...
>Zo stin chora mou,den enochlo kanenan alla eho sihathei tis "ithikes"
>pareneseis peri laon kai meionotiton.Eimaste 98% Ellines christianoi kai se
>opoion aresei. Se opoion den aresei na paei stin chora tou na to paixei
>"anetos"
Eimaste 98% Or9odo3oi kata tnv taytotnta, mesa stous opoious metriouvtai
kai merikes xiliades Or9odo3oi pou de viw9ouv aparaitnta Ellnves gia va
*akribologoume* mia kai to 9rnskeyma tns taytotntas dev apotelei apodeikti-
ko stoixeio e9vikotntas snmera. Alla ovtws milame gia snmavtikn omoiogeveia.
Kai loipov; Epeidn dnladn oi diaforetikoi dev eivai syvolika pavw apo 2%
tou pln9ysmou prepei va tous metaxeirizomaste kata parabasn tns Syvtagmati-
kns epitagns peri isotntas twv Ellnvwv politwv; Kai o mousoulmavos tsiggavos
gia paradeigma se poia "xwra tou" va paei - pes tou giati jaxvei o kakomoi-
ros kai de briskei alln apo tnv Ellada tns opoias ki aytos kai oi goveis
tou kai kamposses gevees pisw eivai katoikoi kai polites.
Abdul
PS> Feidia skyli pou gaygizei de dagkwvei - opote syvexise me ta koufa giati
bgazeis poly gelio...
PSS> Xriastiavaki ;-) ovoma kai pragma, va sou steilw ki egw keimeva apo UFO-
logous va deis pws 9a pistejeis sta UFO. Akous ekei gia va me bgaleis apo tnv
asxetila mou va mou steileis kai keimeva apo Or9odo3o site! Dnladn ti 9a e-
grafav oi av9rwpoi akoma ki av ta pragmata dev eixav etsi;
PSSS> Meta mou les Mpompole va pistejw: Esy les pws to 9ayma givetai parou-
sia olwv twv Or9odo3wv Patriarxwv, o "Ellnv" mou stelvei keimeva pou leve
pws movo evas mpaivei mesa kai malista mia fora dev tov afnsav tov diko mas
kai balav oi Armevioi tov diko tous. :-)
PSSSS> Kai Mpompole pou'sai, stnv apeiln apavtas me proetoimasia kai proeido-
poinseis. Stnv epikeimevn apeiln (polemos twv 7 nmerwv px.) av se pairvei
apavtas me prwto xtypnma. Alla sta grapta kapoiou eite legetai Sid(ir)ovski
eite Faikoglou dev apavtas me dikastnria - av mn ti allo eivai xazo... n
xleyn kai movo arkei.
PS^5> :-) Dev to kavw epitndes, eseis ftaite. :-)
Nikos Sarantakos
At 01:59 AM 01/10/97 -0700, Myron Kaisides wrote:
>
>me anoita sholia apanto sta anoita sholia sinithos.....
>
>
>> Ofeiloyme sthn ane3i0rhskia kai ston sebasmo toy synan0rwpoy mas thn
>> proaspish ths eley0erias olwn na latreyoyn opoion 0eo 0eloyn.
>
Nikos Sarantakos
At 03:51 PM 01/10/97 -0400, Homer Faidas wrote:
>
>http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/nsolo/factbook/po.htm
>
>n portogalia eivai 97% ka8olikoi 1% protestavtes 2% alloi.
>
>H ellada twra eivai:
>98% or8odo3oi, 1.3% mousoulmavoi, 0.7% alloi
>
>http://www.odci.gov/cia/publications/nsolo/factbook/gr.htm
>
>Movo n Ispavia 99% kai to Batikavo 100% mas trwve
>se 8rhskeutikn omoiogeveia.
>Bebaia me baskous kai katalavous n ispavikn omoiogeveia ev gevei
>upoleipetai.
>
>omnros
>
O Murwn milhse gia omoiogeneia genikws kai tolmw na eipw
oti
a. Kaqolikoi kai protestantes diaferoun ligotero metaju tous
ap'o,ti xristianoi me mousoulmanous.
b. Sth glwssikh omoiogeneia, an toulaxiston qumamai kala'
ena eokiko kitapi, h portogalia den exei alles glwsses, isws
de kai oute kan alles dialektous.
Bebaia, h SIA mporei kai pali na me bgalei ceuth :-)
Nikos
Myron Kaisides
Graphei i Lambrini
> Oi alebites den einai moysoylmanoi. Ka0oloy ma ka0oloy. Einai "ybridio"
> 0rhskeytiko or0odo3ias kai paganismoy, to opoio malista dhmioyrgh0hke apo
ta
> prwta toyrkika fyla sthn perioxh. Polloi alebites dhlwnoyn oti aytoi
einai
> oi gnhsioi toyrkoi. Edw kaneis poly megalo la0os,dhladh, kai ca3to exei
> endiaferon. Elpizw, karntash, tis plhrofories soy gia toys alebites na mh
> tis exeis ki aytes apo to web.
>
Oh ti sponta einai afti??? Apo oso xero oi Alevites apoteloun sounnitiki
airesi me stoiheia orthodoxias kai paganismou. Oi sounnites einai
mousoulmanoi etsi? Na sou po tin alitheia eho diavasei polla jia tous
alevites ta perissotera antikrouomena. Alloi lene oti i alevitiki airesi
apoteleitai apo ekeinous tous mikrasiates ellines kai aftohthones pou
protoi aspastikan ton islamismo jia afto kai ehei polla stoiheia
orthodoxias. Alloi oti oi Alevites einai kirios kourdikis
katagogis.Orismenoi akraion apopseon malista alevites theloun avtonomo
alevistan.
>
> H ekklhsia toy Malampar, gnwsth ki ws 0wma.i.kh ekklhsia, sthn India [3
> ekatommyria cyxes].
Endiaferon,eheis kapoia vivliografia jia tin ekklisia afti?Tha ektimousa an
aneferes kati perissotero jia tin istoria tis.
> To "yphr3e symfwnia to 1990" me to "enw0hkan oi or0odo3oi ki oi
> proxalkhdonioi", 3ereis ti apostash exoyn? Ayth poy exei ena prosymfwno
me
> mia apofash dikasthrioy. Twra, to poios einai mperdemenos asto
kalytera...
>
> >Tora ean den ehei prohorisei tipote afti einai mia alli istoria.
> >Pistevo oti tha oloklirothei i proseggisi.
>
> Ma, sto prohgoymeno mail soy eixan enw0ei oi ekklhsies, kai twra
pisteyeis
> oti 0a oloklhrw0ei h proseggish? Myrwn, xontroeidestato to atophma,
prosexe!
> Ki egw to eyxomai na oloklhrw0ei, alla den shmainei ayto oti oloklhrw0hke
> kiolas!
>
I ousia oson egrapsa einai oti ipirxe simfonia metaxi ton dio ekklision to
1990 jia enosi tous.Se aftin
tin simfonia lithike to christologiko provlima pou talanize tis sheseis
tous kai vrethike i formoula jia tin epilisi ton ipoloipon diaforon. Ta
anathemata simfona me aftin tha arthoun. Pou ehei kollisei den xero,oi
Koptes pou gnorisa to 1995 (opos sou eipa kai prin) den ekanan logo jia
kati tetoio,antitheta itan eftiheis pou iparhei proseggisi. An skefteis oti
milame jia "shisma" 15 aionon nomizo oti merika chronia den kanoun tin
diafora. An par'ola afta kapou atopisa sinhorese me :-)))))
> >Y.G Sigharitiria jia ton PAOK afou ipotheto (!) oti eisai
Mpaoktzou.:-))))
>
> Eyxaristw! Kai perastika stoys gayroys [xe, xe, xe, xe!!!!]
Simfono kai epafxano ha ha ha .
> rL
Lamprini Thoma
Sta perissotera me kalyce o 3adelfos Abdullah. Apantw sta ypoloipa:
At 01:59 01/10/1997 -0700, Myron Kaisides wrote:
>Fisika kai alevites (mousoulmanoi einai kai aftoi xereis apla pio
>metriopatheis) kai orthodoxous christianous.
Oi alebites den einai moysoylmanoi. Ka0oloy ma ka0oloy. Einai "ybridio"
0rhskeytiko or0odo3ias kai paganismoy, to opoio malista dhmioyrgh0hke apo ta
prwta toyrkika fyla sthn perioxh. Polloi alebites dhlwnoyn oti aytoi einai
oi gnhsioi toyrkoi. Edw kaneis poly megalo la0os,dhladh, kai ca3to exei
endiaferon. Elpizw, karntash, tis plhrofories soy gia toys alebites na mh
tis exeis ki aytes apo to web.
> I pliris onomasia einai
>"Christianiki koptiki Orthodoxos ekklisia" Allous orthodoxous christianous
>den gnorizo.(kai den milao jia tin arhiepiskopi Athinon kai pasis... alla
>jia tin Orthodoxia en sinolo) .
H ekklhsia toy Malampar, gnwsth ki ws 0wma.i.kh ekklhsia, sthn India [3
ekatommyria cyxes].
>Ipirxe simfonia to 1990 (se xanaparapembo sto site),mallon esy eisai ligo
>berdemeni.
To "yphr3e symfwnia to 1990" me to "enw0hkan oi or0odo3oi ki oi
proxalkhdonioi", 3ereis ti apostash exoyn? Ayth poy exei ena prosymfwno me
mia apofash dikasthrioy. Twra, to poios einai mperdemenos asto kalytera...
>Tora ean den ehei prohorisei tipote afti einai mia alli istoria.
>Pistevo oti tha oloklirothei i proseggisi.
Ma, sto prohgoymeno mail soy eixan enw0ei oi ekklhsies, kai twra pisteyeis
oti 0a oloklhrw0ei h proseggish? Myrwn, xontroeidestato to atophma, prosexe!
Ki egw to eyxomai na oloklhrw0ei, alla den shmainei ayto oti oloklhrw0hke
kiolas!
>Y.G Sigharitiria jia ton PAOK afou ipotheto (!) oti eisai Mpaoktzou.:-))))
Eyxaristw! Kai perastika stoys gayroys [xe, xe, xe, xe!!!!]
>filika
>Myron
>en AEK pistos
rL
Myron Kaisides
Nikos efi
> Mallon apatasai. Portogalia.
>
I Portogalia ehei apla to idio pososto, iparhpoun stin Portogalia giro
stous 100.000 Afrikanous kai alloi tosoi Vrazilianoi.Kai min mou peis oti
oi Vrazilianoi einai Portogaloi jiati tha sou po oti outos i allos i
katagogi ton Portogalon (me tin idia logiki) einai apo tous katothi:
A. Ivires
B. Romaioi
C. Visigotthoi
D. Mavritanoi.
> Ta upoloipa den ta sxoliazw, einai tria poulakia kaqontai.
> Wstoso, gia na poume kai tou Murwna to dikio, ki egw exw thn
> entupwsh oti to Kopths etumologeitai apo to Aiguptios.
>
>
Ante vre Niko vrethike kai kati pou simfomoume!!!!
Oso jia ton mi-sholiasmo (opos leme mi-polemos) kalitera jiati tote ta
poulakia tha ginontan tessera.
> Nikos
Myron
Vasilakis Fykos
On 1 Oct 97 at 23:45, Myron Kaisides wrote:
> TSA to mikro xerei kai xenes glosses! Mathematics (opos leme mathimatika)
> Oso jia to ti leei asta kalitera.
Gia thn tampakiera tipota o Psaraklas. Anatrixiases psarakla poy jerv
jenes glvsses. Se ligo ua moy peis na katsv ekei poy eimai kai egv.
Ase kai to allo poy ua soy pv na anatrixiaseis:
Eimai DIEUNISTHS psarakla!!
<diakoph gia na syneluei o Psaraklas apo to sok>
Ante kane tvra kana eyxelaio na sygxvreueis poy milas me DIEUNISTES.
Vasilakis, etvn 19 kai tria terata
Yg. O Abdul DIEUNISTHS Psarakla? O Abdul re, xoreyei me toys lykoys
se akrobatikes askhseis epi xartoy.
Myron Kaisides
Tade efi (?) Fy(i)kos:
> Gia thn tampakiera tipota o Psaraklas. Anatrixiases psarakla poy jerv
> jenes glvsses. Se ligo ua moy peis na katsv ekei poy eimai kai egv.
> Ase kai to allo poy ua soy pv na anatrixiaseis:
> Eimai DIEUNISTHS psarakla!!
> <diakoph gia na syneluei o Psaraklas apo to sok>
> Ante kane tvra kana eyxelaio na sygxvreueis poy milas me DIEUNISTES.
Ore vai vai ali kai trisali ti epatha o fourtouniasmenos oime!!!!!!
Omilo me diethnistiko Fy(i)ko. Kai ti borei enas diethnistikos Fy(i)kos na
zitei?
Ego gnorizo kallopistikous Fikous entos diamerismaton.Poia ta aitimata enos
oikiakou Fikou?
Perissoteri ora ston ilio? Perissotero potisma? Ma jiati na tou po na
katsei ekei pou einai? Xerete kanenan Fiko na metakineitai avtovoulws? Ma
jiati me leei psarakla? Mipos telika den einai Fikos alla Fykos? kai pali
ti thelei ena fykos tis anoihtis (diethnous) thalassis? San na leme to
Aigaio sta psaria tou kai stous Fykous tou?
> Vasilakis, etvn 19 kai tria terata
Ma zoun oi Fikoi i oi Fykoi 19 3/4 chronia???
> Yg. O Abdul DIEUNISTHS Psarakla? O Abdul re, xoreyei me toys lykoys
> se akrobatikes askhseis epi xartoy.
Signomi alla psaraklas on den borousa na xero! Exallou den parakolouthousa
ta e-mail tou Abdul kai den ixera poies einai oi apopseis tou. Aftos einai
pou protos apantise se mena. Apo ta lehthenta simpairana lathos. Chilia
signomi sas zito. Oso jia to an choreuei me lykous i me nichterides posos
me endiaferei.
Myron der Fisch.
Myron Kaisides
Abdul efi
> Giati eivai malakas - n ypar3n mias ekklnsias 'n evos tzamiou oute
pistous
> pros9etei (ektos ki av vomizeis pws 3afvika 9a alla3opistnsouv oi
perioikoi)
> oute allo arvntiko apotelesma exei ektos apo to va givetai kokkivo pavi
sta
> matia misallodo3wv pou leitourgouv me ta myala tayrou... ;->
Den nomizo oti i Ellada ehei se eparki arithmo misallodoxous oste na
prokaloun epikindines katastaseis.
Antithetos pistevo oti eimaste ipervolika metriopathis koinonia pou
otidipote legetai menei sta logia. Einai ta erga pou dimiourgoun
provlimata. San foititis sto Panepistimio tis Athinas mou dothike i
dinatota na gnoristo me arketous foitites apo tin Mesi Anatoli kai na kano
arketous filous. Polloi apo aftous itan christianoi Syroorthodoxoi,
Palestinioi klp Kaneis tous mousoulmanos i christianos pote den mou anefere
kati pou na tou dimiourgise provlima oson afora ratsistiki antimetopisi.
Shedon oloi oi Ellines trefoume mia idiaiteri simpatheia stous Araves kai
eidika stous Palestinious. Oi idioi omos den eihan kai idiaitero provlima
shetika me ta thriskeftika tous kathikonta. Mou ekane entiposi oti
chairontan pou vriskontan ektos mousoulmanikis epikrateias kai borousan na
anasainoun eleythera. San pio morfomenoi den itan fanatikoi mousoulmanoi
isos den pistevan kai katholou. Ara polloi apo aftous tous foitites den
eihan kai den ehoun anagki apo tzami.
Ara voithoume ton ftoho Arava me to na min epitrepsoume anegersi tzamiou
stin Athina. :-)
Den pistevo oti ena i duo tzamia dimiourgoun provlima, min xehnas oti ekei
pou iparhoun mousoulmanoi iparhoun tzamia, etsi? Ekei omos pou iparhoun
eparkeis arithmoi pou na dikaiologoun kati tetoio. Min xehnas episis oti
oses meionotites den dimiourgoun provlima den ehoun kanena provlima. Oi
Armenioi chairoun idiaiteras ektimiseos apo olous tous Ellines,oi
Palestinioi (kai oi mousoulmanoi) to idio,oi Evraioi to idio.Kai oi
Armenioi kai oi Evraioi ehoun dikous tous naous stin Athina, oute oi men
oute oi de einai filetika Ellines,alla den ehoun kanena provlima.
"Thriskeftikes" meionotites to idio. Oi Ounites ehoun ton nao tous stin
Acharnon (i stin Patision den thimamai kala).Oi Evaggelistes,oi Katholikoi
klp Gia tous Ounites vevaia tha borousame na milame ores jia to ti
epidiokoun. Otan prokeitai omos jia meionotites i omades eidikou ethnikou
endiaferontos ta pragmata allazoun. Ekei thelei megali prosohi jiati oi
bananofloudes polles. Otan prokeitai jia Tourkous ta pragmata allazoun. Den
ehoume provlima me tous Ellines mousoulmanous polloi apo tous opoious den
einai Tourkoi alla vlakodos tous exomoionoume an kai einai Pomakoi i
tsigganoi. Ehoume provlima me ekeinous pou sinehos diekdikoun,nisia,
ifalokripides,nisides,enaerious chorous,edafi klp. Min epektatho, xereis ti
leo. Ekei thelei megali prosohi,allos borei na dinei ta lefta allos na
kerdisei apo tin istoria.
> [snip]
> >Ego zo stin Athina kai xero.Esy zeis ego den xero pou OK? An theoreis
tin
> >Ellada missalodoxi meine ekei pou eisai.
>
> 3eradia 3ereis. :-) Ki egw stnv A9nva zousa mexri priv merika xrovia kai
twra
> akoma ekei paw dyo fores to xrovo alla tnv polln misallodo3ia kai
kretivismo
> xreiastnke va er9w edw sto RI va ta gvwrisw mesw tns HELLAS... ;-) Apo
ekei
> kai pera, stnv Ellada skopeyw va gyrisw kai efosov blepw ta straba kapou
> fwvazw opws o ka9evas pou dev tou aresei kati. Dnladn pws tnv exeis dei
tnv
> Ellada, "take it or leave it?", straba dev yparxouv, dyvatotntes
beltiwsns
> dev ti9ovtai, kivdyvoi va xeiroterejouv kapoies katastaseis dev
yfistavtai;
> Sto katw-katw tns grafns n HELLAS prosferetai gia tetoia koubevta. :-)
>
Kala kaneis kai sizitas ta strava kai makari ola na diorthothoun,siga-siga
ginontai vevaia oi allages
Ohi den tin eho dei "take it or leave it". Einai chazo kati tetoio.Etsi tha
mename stis spilies akomi. Otan omos diavazo jia katapieseis kai dikaiomata
klp stin Ellada kai anaferoun arketoi tin Ellada san na einai to Neo
Auswitz tote eknevrizomai afantasta jiati ousiastika sigkrinetai i Ellada
me to ideato kai ohi me to anthropinos dinato. Oute oloi oi antrhopoi
skeftontai to idio, oute oloi einai morfomenoi,oute ehoun ta idia viomata.
Px ego den prokeitai pote na simpathiso tous Tourkous dioti iparhei piso
mou chimeno aima.
Allos borei oi Roumanoi na tou eklepsan to spiti kai na tous misei,allounou
tou ekatse stravi stis diakopes tou sto Lichnenstein kai sihainetai tin
chora afti. Ola afta aploika grammena sta leo jia na katalixo oti den
boroun 10.000.000 anthropoi oute na skeftontai oute na prattoun to idio.Kai
fisika kala kaneis kai ta sizitas kai ego exallou jia afto bika stin
lista,jia antallagi apopseon.I kali kouventa einai panta evprosdekti. Omos
iparhei ena provlima sta e-mails. I aprosopi epikoinonia diogkonei
epikindina polles fores to minima. Efoson den boro na katagrapso tin glossa
tou somatos sou otan mou grafeis afta,to idio kai esy polles fores afto
ehei san apotelesma alli na einai i diathesi tou minimatos sou kai allios
na to eklamvanei o allos,jia afto kai oi polles kontres. An legame ta idia
pragmata se mia kafeteria tote tha kataligame na gelame sto telos,edo isa
pou borei kai na sfahtoume (virtualikos). To internet anaptissei mia nea
morfi epikoinonias,i opoia ehei idiaiterous kanones, tous opoious an den
sevasteis apetihes. Afto to eho pathei ego idi arketes fores.
> Kala ti kapvizeis ekei pou eisai; Pou kollave oi Tourkoi kai pou ta peri
> filias twv lawv; Ase pou m' ebgales kai die9vistn kai 9a sixtirizei o
> Koutalos kai o Skoufos gia tnv prosboln pou tous ekaves... :-) Gia to di-
> kaiwma vomotagwv Ellnvwv politwv kai metavastwv va xtisouv (xwris va epi-
> baryvouv to Ellnviko dnmosio kai tov forologoumevo) vao sto 0eo tous
milame
> toso kairo. Epeidn dnladn oi Tourkoi eivai ola ayta pou les prepei ki
emeis
> va pesoume sto epipedo tous kai tnv oln fasn va tnv plnrwsouv asxetoi
av9rw-
> poi;
>
(asheto) Den kapnizo to eho kopsei. Eimai omos fantika iper ton kapniston
jiati theoro aparadekti tin fasistiki nootropia pou ehei eisagei i
politically correct OUZA na antimetopizetai o kapnistis os politis b
katigorias.
Den gnorizo ta pistevo sou jiati den parakolouthousa prin ta e-mails sou.
Apo tin entiposi pou apokomisa ekana lathos.Sosta kai diafono me tin
nootropia: mou kaneis-sou kano,ma den nomizo outos i allos i Ellada na
prattei ta idia. Tora stis virtual kafeteries legontai polla.Apo tin alli
omos epivalletai i Ellada na einai idiaitera epifilaktiki kai epithetiki
otan prepei apenanti sto fasistiko kai stratokratiko katestimeno tis
Tourkias opos eprepe i Gallia kai i Agglia na einai apenanti ston Hitler
prin ton B pagkosmio polemo. I adinamia tous na ton embodisoun kai oi
fovies tous odigisan ston polemo.An itan pio epithetikes kai eihan
megaliteri empistosini stis dinameis tous to 1936-1939 tote den tha
efthanan stin anagki ton Septemvrio tou 39 na kirixoun ton polemo. Ta idia
ishioun (analogika vevaia) kai stis dimereis mas sheseis.
> Ti egive twra kai me ypobibases se die9vistn me eisagwgika; :-) Mnv avn-
> syxeis de se pare3ngnsa, to 3erw pws ta peri Xristiavismou ta blepeis po-
> dosfairika...
>
Nai ego ipostirizo tin Athlitiki Enosi Orthodoxon :-)))))
Oute kai ego se parexigisa ta eisagogika tha ta evaza se opoidipote
ideologia nomiza oti pisteveis:-))))
> Eimaste 98% Or9odo3oi kata tnv taytotnta, mesa stous opoious metriouvtai
> kai merikes xiliades Or9odo3oi pou de viw9ouv aparaitnta Ellnves gia va
> *akribologoume* mia kai to 9rnskeyma tns taytotntas dev apotelei
apodeikti-
> ko stoixeio e9vikotntas snmera. Alla ovtws milame gia snmavtikn
omoiogeveia.
> Kai loipov; Epeidn dnladn oi diaforetikoi dev eivai syvolika pavw apo 2%
> tou pln9ysmou prepei va tous metaxeirizomaste kata parabasn tns
Syvtagmati-
> kns epitagns peri isotntas twv Ellnvwv politwv; Kai o mousoulmavos
tsiggavos
> gia paradeigma se poia "xwra tou" va paei - pes tou giati jaxvei o
kakomoi-
> ros kai de briskei alln apo tnv Ellada tns opoias ki aytos kai oi goveis
> tou kai kamposses gevees pisw eivai katoikoi kai polites.
> Abdul
Simfono paloukari mou simfono,jia tous Tourkous ginetai oli i kouventa ohi
jia tous tsigganous.Den milame jia to 2% diladi alla jia to 0,5%. Ekei
prepei na eimaste poli ma poli prosektikoi.
Myron the orthodox football club fan
Petros Petropoulos
>Omilo me diethnistiko Fy(i)ko.
Oxi me Fiko re, me Podosfairiko Omilo Omilis...
Petros
Nikos Sarantakos
Leei o Murwnas
> San foititis sto Panepistimio tis Athinas mou dothike i
>dinatota na gnoristo me arketous foitites apo tin Mesi Anatoli kai na kano
>arketous filous. Polloi apo aftous itan christianoi Syroorthodoxoi,
>Palestinioi klp Kaneis tous mousoulmanos i christianos pote den mou anefere
>kati pou na tou dimiourgise provlima oson afora ratsistiki antimetopisi.
>Shedon oloi oi Ellines trefoume mia idiaiteri simpatheia stous Araves kai
>eidika stous Palestinious. Oi idioi omos den eihan kai idiaitero provlima
>shetika me ta thriskeftika tous kathikonta. Mou ekane entiposi oti
>chairontan pou vriskontan ektos mousoulmanikis epikrateias kai borousan na
>anasainoun eleythera. San pio morfomenoi den itan fanatikoi mousoulmanoi
>isos den pistevan kai katholou. Ara polloi apo aftous tous foitites den
>eihan kai den ehoun anagki apo tzami.
Edw sto Loujembourgo eimaste kamia xiliada ellhnes. Sxedon oloi oi
Loujembourgezoi trefoun idiaiterh sumpaqeia gia tous Ellhnes. Ki oi
idioi omws den exoume kai idiaitero problhma sxetika me ta
qrhskeutika mas kaqhkonta. Polloi den baftizoun ta paidia tous.
San pio morfwmenoi den eimaste fanatikoi xristianoi, merikoi isws
na mhn pisteuoume kai kaqolou. Ara, polloi apo emas tous ellhnes
den eixame kai den exoume anagkh apo ekklhsia. Ase pou
uparxei kai megaluterh rwsikh. Ara, kakws exoume ekklhsia.
Na thn gkremisoume thn ekklhsia, re Murwna, na glitwsoume kai
ta lefta tou papa?
Nikos
Myron Kaisides
Aman vre paidia,kante tzamia,kante pagodes,kante oti thelete,eleos
Mia erotisi mono,iparhei elliniki meionotita sto Louxemvourgo pou diekdikei
px to Echternach???
An ipirhe tote tha evlepes agapes! Epanalamvano, panta kata tin prosopiki
mou apopsi, opoiadipote apofasi ehei na kanei me otidipote ehei shesi me to
tourkiko kommati tis mousoulmanikis meionotitas prepei na einai idiaitera
meletimeni,na vrisketai sta plaisia enos evriterou planou shetika me to ti
epidiokei i elliniki kivernisi oson afora tin meionotita kai na min
ofeiletai oute se pieseis oute se genikoteres aoristes
filosophies peri "filias" kai agapis ton laon,dioti kati tetoio aploustata
den iparhei.
Ego vevaia den eipa gkremiste,eipa min ktisete an den prepei. Kapoios borei
na mou pei (kai isos ehei vasi kati tetoio) oti boroume etsi na
dimiourgisoume tis proipotheseis jia na aplothoun oi mousoulmanoi ana tin
Ellada kai etsi na spasei afti i epikindini syngkentrosi tous stin
Thraki.Ma den nomizo apo tin alli oti einai i elleipsi tzamion se alles
periohes, afti pou tous krata ekei. I methodos pantos tis plirous
egkatalipsis tis Thrakis oste na firoun apo tin Ellada, metanastes efere
lathos apotelesmata,edioxe tous christianous. An iparhei esto kai mia sto
ekatommirio periptosi na kindinefsi i Thraki,tote den iparhoun oute
antrhopina dikaiomata oute filies kai agapes.Den vlepo ton logo na eimaste
kaloi kai ipohoritikoi stous fasistes tis Tourkias. Oute sta ferefona tous
entos tis choras.
>
> Edw sto Loujembourgo eimaste kamia xiliada ellhnes. Sxedon oloi oi
> Loujembourgezoi trefoun idiaiterh sumpaqeia gia tous Ellhnes. Ki oi
> idioi omws den exoume kai idiaitero problhma sxetika me ta
> qrhskeutika mas kaqhkonta. Polloi den baftizoun ta paidia tous.
> San pio morfwmenoi den eimaste fanatikoi xristianoi, merikoi isws
> na mhn pisteuoume kai kaqolou. Ara, polloi apo emas tous ellhnes
> den eixame kai den exoume anagkh apo ekklhsia. Ase pou
> uparxei kai megaluterh rwsikh. Ara, kakws exoume ekklhsia.
>
> Na thn gkremisoume thn ekklhsia, re Murwna, na glitwsoume kai
> ta lefta tou papa?
>
> Nikos
>
Christos Kiriazis
>
>
>On 2-Ott-97,00:40,myr...@ATH.FORTHNET.GR, wrote:
>From: Myron Kaisides <myr...@ATH.FORTHNET.GR>
>Subject: Re: Quiz!!
>To: HEL...@AMERICAN.EDU
>
>Graphei i Lambrini
>
>> Oi alebites den einai moysoylmanoi. Ka0oloy ma ka0oloy. Einai "ybridio"
>> 0rhskeytiko or0odo3ias kai paganismoy, to opoio malista dhmioyrgh0hke
apo...
>
>Oh ti sponta einai afti??? Apo oso xero oi Alevites apoteloun sounnitiki
>airesi me stoiheia orthodoxias kai paganismou. Oi sounnites einai
>mousoulmanoi etsi? Na sou po tin alitheia eho diavasei polla jia tous
>alevites ta perissotera antikrouomena. Alloi lene oti i alevitiki airesi
>apoteleitai apo ekeinous tous mikrasiates ellines kai aftohthones pou
>protoi aspastikan ton islamismo jia afto kai ehei polla stoiheia
>orthodoxias. Alloi oti oi Alevites einai kirios kourdikis
>katagogis.Orismenoi akraion apopseon malista alevites theloun avtonomo
>alevistan.
>
>>
>> H ekklhsia toy Malampar, gnwsth ki ws 0wma.i.kh ekklhsia, sthn India [3
>> ekatommyria cyxes].
>
(...)
Re paidia mhpvs exei diabasei kaneis to biblio "The Greeks of Asia Minor" tou
Gerasimou Aygoustinou; to eixa paraggeilei stis 01/08/97 apo to Hellenic
Literature sto NJ elpizontas na brv mesa kati gia tous Alebites, alla akomh
den mou efuase. Prepei na tous thlefvnhsv na dv ti ginetai tvra pou to
uymhuhka. Epeidh einai prvth fora pou paraggelv biblio apo thn phgh
ayth, exei kaneis analogh empeiria; Argoun toso poly; .H. einai problhma tvn
edv taxydromivn;
//Christos
Christos Kiriazis
>On 29-Set-97,19:50,sar...@innet.lu, wrote:
>
>To: Christos Kiriazis <C.Kir...@AGORA.STM.IT>, HEL...@lists.psu.edu
>From: Nikos Sarantakos <sar...@innet.lu>
>Subject: Re: Quiz!!
>
(...)
>
>Enstash! Antiaqlhtiko paixnidi.
>(Sto katw-katw, ki auto to .it sth dieuqunsh sou, den shmainei, qarrw,
>"Itea"...)
Makari natan etsi. Alla den mporoume na syngrinoume Itea, Delfous,
k' Araxoba me thn It. Saudita. Den 3erv omvs, exv poly kairo na pav
apo ekeina ta merh kai epifylasomai na ekferv gnvmh. Eixa meinei uymamai
ekuambos apo thn mageia ths topouesias tvn Delfvn, kai apo thn
Araxoba.
>
>> M' anyshxei pantvs to gegonos oti apomonvnontai, kauvs
>>epishs o entonos baumos allhleggyhs pou exoun meta3y tvn. Den 3erv
>>an to gegonos ayto, vfeiletai sthn dikh mas adynamia na tous eisagoume
>>omala kai nomima stis dikes mas koinvnies, .h. se otidhpote allo.
>
>Edw einai to koumpi. Ki an pio eukola erqoun oi mousoulmanoi na
>doulecoun sto lekanopedio (ki ena tzami qa einai paragwn eljhs)
>pio polu qa afomoiwqoun kai qa pacoun na einai (an einai) san
>sfigmenh groqia.
>
>H monh lush einai na afomoiwqoun -ektos ki an summerizesai
>thn protash gia sfagh tous.
Mh 3exnas oti h bia fernei th bia. Den me 3ereis gi' ayto milas etsi.
>
>Parempiptontws de, kai sto asxeto, na pw kati pou mou ekane
>ejairetika kalh entupwsh stis "40 meres" pou katebhka fetos.
>
>Mou ekane qaumasia entupwsh oti sta dhmotika sxoleia
>dexontai (profanws katopin entolwn) polu eukola kai xwris
>diatupwseis (mono embolia zhtane ki ena pistopoihtiko
>gennhsews pou den to polukoitane)
>ola ta paidakia ta jena, eite einai rwsakia, eite albanakia,
>eite filipinakia, eite polwnakia
>eite exei adeia paramonhs h mana tous eite oxi, eite
>einai uphretra eite kamparetzou eite o,ti nanai.
>
>Kati adianohto gia thn politismenh eurwph...
>
>Ki auta ta paidia qa ginoun kainourgia ellhnakia.
>
Ayto einai uetiko, kai xarakthristiko megalou kratous se
oikonomikh eyrvstia kai politismo uelv na pv. Oso gia thn
Eyrvph, yparxoun ki alla krath pou afomoivnoun kalytera, opvs
h Germania fereipein. Mh pairneis tis akraies katastaseis. Eipame
o ratsismos einai to "snob" tvn ftvxvn. H xvra ayth loipon exei
afomeivsei ton megalytero ariumo 3envn me ton svsto tropo.
H Gallia e3isou, se toso megalo baumo pou arxisan na ginontai
aisuhta ta arnhtika apotelesmata ths adynamias prosarmoghs tvn,
opote etsi arxise h astynomia na divxnei biaia tous 3enous akomh
kai mesa apo tis ekklhsies. H katastash sthn Italia einai ektos
elegxou, kai tvra apegnvsmena prospauoun na baloun mia arxh.
Gegonos pou exei san synepeia na ginetai aisuhth polles fores
kai h kakometaxeirhsh tous. Oso gia thn Ellada yparxei kai
h allh sxolh skechs. Mia pou ypoferoumai apo dhmografiko,
kai o plhuysmos mas synexeia fueinei, logiko einai na dinoume
diabathria se eisagvmenous syggeneis mas. Na omvs pou den
to kaname ki ayto kala. Sth urakh kalesame t' adelfia mas tous
Rvssoprosfygges xtisame poleis tous dvsame spitia xvris kamia
desmeysh, opote aytoi meta kanena xrono ta poylhsan
kai katebhkan sthn Auhna. Kaname dhl. mia trypa sto nero.
>
> > Gyrnvntas sto uema mas, ua kanv mia aplh skech. As ypouesoume
>>oti lynontai vrismena problhmata ths Turkias vs anafora ta anurvpina
>>dikaivmata klp klp, kai oti anoigoun oi pvrtes gia thn Eyrvph. Mesa sta
>>25.000.000 nevn hlhkias katv tvn 25 etvn xvris douleia ua yparxoun
>>polloi pou ua ueloun na engatastauoun s' ena alla astiko kentro pou
>>apexei 100 km apo to Agio Oros, dhl. th Thessalonikh. Nomizeis oti
>>den ua zhthsoun na ktisoun Tzamia sth geneteira tou eidvlou tous;
>>
>> Exeis kamia protash; kamia idea;
>
>Ti na sou pw, mia protash einai na kanoume kampania gia na mh
>mpei pote' h tourkia sthn EOK kai mia allh protash einai, efoson
>ekeinh mpei na bgoume emeis.
Nikola, den me briskeis symfvno. Dystyxvs eimaste katadikasmenoi na
tous exoume dipla mas. Opvs kai na to kanoume synoreyoume gevgrafika.
Synepvs prokeimenou na exoume se monimh bash kai xronia sto
katofli mas 70 ek. agrious pou na mas epibouleyontai kai ua mas
blepoun san loukoumia, einai kalytera na ginoun prospaueies kai apo
ta dyo merh etsi vste na entopistoun ta pragmata pou mas envnoun
para ekeina pou mas xvrizoun. Einai pros vfelos kai tvn dyo. O anhcios
mou, pou einai 15 xronvn, otan shzhtousame mazi thn antallagh tvn
kosmhtikvn epiuetvn pou alla3an Pangalos kai Tzem meta thn apotyxia
sthn NY, 3ereis ti mou eipe. Zhthse thn paraithsh kai tvn dyo, kai mou
eipe malista oti an ginei uermo epeisodio n' afhsoume aytous tous dyo
na pane gia anametrhsh .h. ta paidia tous. Edv pou ta leme den eixe
adiko. Einai adianohto se tetoio epipedo n' antallasontai ekfraseis aytou
tou eidous.
Vs anafora thn e3odo apo thn EU, pragma pou malista polloi
isxyrizontai oti ua ginei mexri to 2000, to blepv adynato, prvto giati
h Eyrvph einai to paidi ths Elladas pou gennhuhke 3000 p.X, sthn
Knvsso, kai deytero giati yparxoun nomikes desmeyseis pou to
apokleioun. Prepei na symboun poly sobara pragmata gia na ginei
kati tetoio. Den nomizv na eimai to katalhlo prosvpo gia na ekferv
gnvmh panv s' ayta. Aplvs syzhtamai.
>
>Pantws den nomizw oti h Tourkia qa mpei sthn EOK sto kontino
>mellon. An htan ta anqrwpina dikaiwmata to mono problhma qa eixe
>hdh mpei. Ta polla kai peinasmena stomaxia einai pou tromazoun
>tous etairous mas.
Gia thn Ellada fysiko einai na mhn einai mono t' anurvpina dikaivmata.
Einai to kypriako, Urakh,i Ellhnotourkikes diafores Aigaio, patriarxeio klp,
gia ta ypoloipa krath omvs ths EU, einai t' anurvpina dikaivmata alloivs
eprepe na eixe ypostei "saction act" h geitonas ek merous tvn. Oso
gia ta peinasmena stomaxia den prepe na epanalaboume ta lauh pou
ekane h Eyrvph kai h Amerikh me thn Afrikh, kai ton trito kosmo. Ua
mporouse na ta gemisei sthn Turkia, dhmiourgvntas ypodomes ekei.
S' ayto allvste apoblepei h protoboulia tou epeixhrhmatikou kosmou
akomh kai tou Ellhnikou pou kanei ependyseis sth Turkia. Merikes
fores oi kykloi aytoi dixnoun megalyterh diorathtkothta kai apo tous
politikous.
Isvs briskeis para3eno pou milav etsi, giati alles fores exv allo yfos.
Einai oi peristaseis pou to apitoun, gia to huiko. Oloi oi anurvpoui
apo freata kalosynhs mporoun na metatrapoun se terata se periptvsh
polemou. To uema einai na tous prolabainoume....
>Nikos
>
>
>
//Christos
Abdullah the Butcher
>Posted on 4 Oct 1997 at 13:03:27 by Christos Kiriazis
[snip]
>Oso gia thn Ellada yparxei kai
>h allh sxolh skechs. Mia pou ypoferoumai apo dhmografiko,
>kai o plhuysmos mas synexeia fueinei, logiko einai na dinoume
>diabathria se eisagvmenous syggeneis mas. Na omvs pou den
>to kaname ki ayto kala. Sth urakh kalesame t' adelfia mas tous
>Rvssoprosfygges xtisame poleis tous dvsame spitia xvris kamia
>desmeysh, opote aytoi meta kanena xrono ta poylhsan
>kai katebhkan sthn Auhna. Kaname dhl. mia trypa sto nero.
To problnma dev ntav oi desmeyseis alla pws to olo sxedio epasxe
oxi movo stnv efarmogn alla kai sto sxediasmo. Ka9nsav kai tous
eftia3av lywmevous "aytoteleis" oikismous kai tous afnsav stnv
tyxn tous meta me yposxeseis gia giatrous, sxoleia kai bebaia
douleies... Ela omws pou gi' ayta dev ypnrxe sxediasmos kai gia
ekeiva pou ypnrxe dev egivav pote; Opote snkw9nkav polloi kai
efygav (ti va poulnsouv twra, to lyomevo...) kai dev eivai va
diamartyretai kaveis pou to ekavav giati kaloi oi "e9vikoi logoi"
(poso tous katalabaivouv av9rwpoi pou dev exouv znsei me tous
Tourkous dipla eivai ki ayto erwtnmatiko) alla o kosmakns stnv
Ellada nr9e gia mia kalytern zwn.
Abdul, apofoitos
Kavtambrigias Skopiwv... ;-)