WHY YOU SHOULD THINK TWICE BEFORE RETURNING TO GREECE
Sophia
to diabasouv oloi kietsi xavouv ta aristourgnmata pou mas stelveis.
Epipleov,akoma dev eftases Ellada ki apelpnstikes ndn; Kaln kardia
xreiazetai. Kai sxoliazw:
> This is a message to all Greek brothers and sisters around the
> globe!!
E, oxi re file, egw de goustarw va eimai sista kai brotha kavevos kai
pairvw me strabo mati olous tous "ellnves" pou tnv exouv dei povemevn
meiovotnta. Pws va to kavoume, DEN EISASTE ADERFIA MOY RE GAMWTO! Opote
meta apo autn tnv eisagwgn paw sto kurio keimevo:
>
> Pls visit www.geocities.com/capitolhill/1100 for details
Pnga va dw ti givetai kai 'n to exouv xakeriasei tourkokuprioi 'n eivai
la0os n dieu0uvsn, opote dev mporw va pw.
Ta mplampla peri ellnvikou dnmosiou ta 3eroume ki exoume pei stn lista
oti kapoia beltiwsn uparxei. Twra av orismevoi pisteuouv oti exouv kaln
e3upnretnsn sto e3wteriko as er0ouv, tous parakalw polu, va kavouv olo
to pare dwse me to Veterans Department tou Kavada mesw tnlefwvou kai
di'allnlografias, opws kavw egw tosa xrovia gia logariasmo suggevwv mou,
ki ama ta bgalouv pera kalutera apo meva va tous dwsw sugxarntnria.
Milame gia upnresia pou vomizeis oti exeis suvevon0ei kai meta apo duo
bdomades allazei o upallnlos ki o kaivourgios ftou ki ap'tnv arxn.
Fusika dev milame gia tov uperoxo dnmo tou Xakveu opou akoma ekrememi n
periptwsn mou me ta dnmotika teln tou 98 kai exw metakomisei apo to dnmo
auto edw kai polu kairo kai olo "exoume backlog" akouw. MExri pou mia
mera 0a me kleisouv mesa gia xren pou dev exw, etsi opws pave.
> Bostwnh kai aganaktisa! Mou efere sto myalo th nootropia twn Ellhnwn
> dhmosiwn ypallhlwn, tis ateleiwtes oures kai thn ageneia stis
Dnmosioi upallnloi dev eivia ki oi upallnloi tou pro3eveiou;
> pou leipoun apo thn Ellada dystyxws, gi'auto kai o tourismos mas
> exei auth th kathodikh poreia. Egw san Ellhnida ntrepomai na
> synisthsw stous Amerikanous filous kai synadelfous mou na kanoun
> diakopes sthn Ellada, foboumenh ton tropo me ton opoio tha
> antimetwpistoun.
Eva misawro mprosta sto Channel 4 Paraskeun bradu pou deixvei tis
peripeteies Agglwv alntotouristwv stnv Kerkura ftavei gia va deite ti
remalia episkeptes exoume. Lupamai tous kakomoirous tous touristikous
upallnlous pou ka0e mera avtimetwpizouv tetoia. Epipleov to vomisma mas
dev epitrepei pleov polla polla: eime0a Eurwpn, ti va kavoume; Ellada me
3evodoxeio apo 20 lires tn bradia 'n Taulavdn me £5 to polu kai va les
meta oti pnges kai pio makria se wraia mern klp klp; H parapavw
vootropia pavtws eivai polu arxovtoxwriatikn, tou stul: vtrepomai twra
pou egiva veoploutos va sas dei3w tous ftwxous suggeveis mou. Egw opote
me rwtave Aggloi tous lew pou va pave gia diakopes. Ama tous bgouv
asxnmes dev ftaive movo oi Ellnves, ftaive ki autoi pou poios 3erei ti
perimevouv.
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Michael Tsigonis
Sophia wrote:
>
> Eva misawro mprosta sto Channel 4 Paraskeun bradu pou deixvei tis
> peripeteies Agglwv alntotouristwv stnv Kerkura ftavei gia va deite ti
> remalia episkeptes exoume. Lupamai tous kakomoirous tous touristikous
> upallnlous pou ka0e mera avtimetwpizouv tetoia. Epipleov to vomisma mas
> dev epitrepei pleov polla polla: eime0a Eurwpn, ti va kavoume; Ellada me
> 3evodoxeio apo 20 lires tn bradia 'n Taulavdn me £5 to polu kai va les
> meta oti pnges kai pio makria se wraia mern klp klp; H parapavw
> vootropia pavtws eivai polu arxovtoxwriatikn, tou stul: vtrepomai twra
> pou egiva veoploutos va sas dei3w tous ftwxous suggeveis mou. Egw opote
> me rwtave Aggloi tous lew pou va pave gia diakopes. Ama tous bgouv
> asxnmes dev ftaive movo oi Ellnves, ftaive ki autoi pou poios 3erei ti
> perimevouv.
Sofia an 8es mporeis na psakseis na deis ti ginetai sta toyristika grafeia me
tis prosfores. Edw ayta ta paidakia (den milame gia toyristes) gia paidakia
milame, me sagionara kai th byra sto xeri erxontai sthn Kerkyra kai alloy me 50
lires th BDOMADA. Gia ayto toys pairnei na er8oyn edw.
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Michael Tsigonis
eagl...@hol.gr
http://users.hol.gr/~eagleone
ICQ 1146882
lida anestidou
Kerkura...erxontai me kati times 3eftylismenes,
aeroporika e3oda, 3enodoxeio kai 3 geumata included,
fernoune mazi tous 10 pswroxiliarika, kai th bgazoune
pinontas mpura, ginomenoi stoupi, 3ernane opou broun,
swriazontai stous dromous kai meta pane pisw kai
stelnoune kai tous upoloipous mpathrhdes kai meta mou
leei filh mou pou menei kerkura xronia twra: "pou na
pame Mpenitses, re Lhda? agglikh apoikia einai...."
Katalabes?....mas diw3ane kai ap'ta spitia mas, poioi?
oi mpekrompathrhdes Aggloi .......kai osoi exoune
kammia dekara sthn tseph pane Majorces kai Minorces
kai Efesso kai noikiazoune ta kotera apo th Mikra
Asia, giati oi dikes mas marines den einai kala
e3oplismenes...
am pws...
L.
--- Michael Tsigonis <eagl...@MAIL.HOL.GR> wrote:>
> Sofia an 8es mporeis na psakseis na deis ti ginetai
> sta toyristika grafeia me
> tis prosfores. Edw ayta ta paidakia (den milame gia
> toyristes) gia paidakia
> milame, me sagionara kai th byra sto xeri erxontai
> sthn Kerkyra kai alloy me 50
> lires th BDOMADA. Gia ayto toys pairnei na er8oyn
> edw.
>
>
>
> --
> ******************************
> Michael Tsigonis
> eagl...@hol.gr
> http://users.hol.gr/~eagleone
> ICQ 1146882
>
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Peter Hantzakos
> Pnga va dw ti givetai kai 'n to exouv xakeriasei tourkokuprioi 'n eivai
> la0os n dieu0uvsn, opote dev mporw va pw.
> Ta mplampla peri ellnvikou dnmosiou ta 3eroume ki exoume pei stn lista
> oti kapoia beltiwsn uparxei. Twra av orismevoi pisteuouv oti exouv kaln
> e3upnretnsn sto e3wteriko as er0ouv, tous parakalw polu, va kavouv olo
> to pare dwse me to Veterans Department tou Kavada
Not trying to defend them, but...
Sto Veteran's Affair's department, mnpws to kavouv epitides. Htav ena
huge skandalo a few years ago me Ellives edo pou epairvav sida3i.
Apparently ntav nomos pou an nsouv sto polemo n an ntav suggeveis sou
(pateras, adelfos, etc) sto polemo, (Second World War), mporouses na
kaveis claim kai va pareis snda3i. Well, merikoi Ellives (100-150, den
thumamai) epairvav sidaxi hwris logo. Eixan korodepsi to systima kapws.
(The person they were claiming to be was already dead, or was over 120
years old or something else.) Otan akoune Ellivas kai sida3i twra, they
think twice.
Pete
Sophia
>
> Sto Veteran's Affair's department, mnpws to kavouv epitides. Htav ena
> huge skandalo a few years ago me Ellives edo pou epairvav sida3i.
avtistasiakn suvta3n av0rwpoi gevvnmevoi to 1940.
> Apparently ntav nomos pou an nsouv sto polemo n an ntav suggeveis sou
> (pateras, adelfos, etc) sto polemo, (Second World War), mporouses na
> kaveis claim kai va pareis snda3i.
Akribws, gia tetoia suvta3n milame.
> years old or something else.) Otan akoune Ellivas kai sida3i twra, they
> think twice.
Mwre as kavouv o,ti 0elouv. otav egw omws milaw em tov upallnlo X kai
exw brei mia akrn kai exw steilei ki ola ta eggrafa pou zntave giati
eptagetai o upallnlos y kai mou leei a, 0eloume ki etouto kiekeivo kl[p
klp kai pairvw tov upallnlo X pali kai mou e3ngei oti oooooxi dev 0elouv
tipot'allo o Y ekave la0os. KAi nsuxazw. KAi meta apo liges meres avte
pali to idio. Kai pote epitelous 0a katalabouv oti oi forologikes
dnlwseis stnv Ellada eivai apo Iavouario se Dekembrio ki oxi apo Aprilio
se Aprilio;
Peter Hantzakos
>
> kai na'tane kainourgio problhma, eidika sthn
> Kerkura...erxontai me kati times 3eftylismenes,
> aeroporika e3oda, 3enodoxeio kai 3 geumata included,
> fernoune mazi tous 10 pswroxiliarika, kai th bgazoune
> pinontas mpura, ginomenoi stoupi, 3ernane opou broun,
> swriazontai stous dromous kai meta pane pisw kai
> stelnoune kai tous upoloipous mpathrhdes kai meta mou
> leei filh mou pou menei kerkura xronia twra: "pou na
> pame Mpenitses, re Lhda? agglikh apoikia einai...."
> Katalabes?....mas diw3ane kai ap'ta spitia mas, poioi?
> oi mpekrompathrhdes Aggloi
>
>
Hold on there good citizen.
Tourism is a major contributor to the economy in Greece, correct?
Who cares what they do, as long as it' not illegal, or dangerous?
They provide billions of dollars tothe economy, they provide jobs, etc.
Den tha katalabo pwtes giati merikoi (not you, just generally speaking)
thev to thelouv to tourismo.
Hmouv sti Krntn mia fora, kai forousa backpack me ti snmaia to Kanada
epanw. Akouw apo piso mou na leei enas:
"Koita re saboura touristes....autos o malakas ap to Kanada....erhontai
sti hwra mas, ti halane....pou re, ti skoupidia einai autoi..."
Really? Skoupidi eimai? Pou halaw tou kosmou ta lefta otan pigaivo sti
Ellada?
Kalutera na paw kapou allou...
Palli sti Krntn, kai polla ap ta estiatoria ehoun signs (pinakides?) me
fotografies, kai times. Perimevo se grammi gia dio bires. Evas
Amerikavos touristas mprosta mou zntaei gia duo prassives.
"1000 drachmas please" leei o mparmpas.
"1000??" rotaei o amerikavos, 3afiasmevos. "The sign says 400 drachmas
for one, so 2 beers have to be 800 drachmas, correct?"
Thev to perimeve auto o mparmpas, skeftike ligaki, kai leei: "You pay
for the bottle deposit."
"Oh, ok..." leei o amerikavos.
"Two Heineken" tou lew, sta Agglika.
"1000 drachmas please", mou leei o mparmpas.
"xilies draxmes???" tou fovazw me veura sta Ellivika.
"enta3i re file...800 draxmes gia seva..."
Kala, giati se polla meri uparhouv dio times? Mia gia tous Ellives, kai
alln timn gia tous touristes?
Elizabeth Kosmetatou
>kai na'tane kainourgio problhma, eidika sthn
>Kerkura...erxontai me kati times 3eftylismenes,
>aeroporika e3oda, 3enodoxeio kai 3 geumata included,
>fernoune mazi tous 10 pswroxiliarika, kai th bgazoune
>pinontas mpura, ginomenoi stoupi, 3ernane opou broun,
>swriazontai stous dromous kai meta pane pisw kai
>stelnoune kai tous upoloipous mpathrhdes kai meta mou
>leei filh mou pou menei kerkura xronia twra: "pou na
>pame Mpenitses, re Lhda? agglikh apoikia einai...."
>Katalabes?....mas diw3ane kai ap'ta spitia mas, poioi?
Pw re Lnda ti mou 0ymises! Syvavtnsa loipov pro merikwv etwv stnv Amerikn
Ellnvara, arti afix0evta e3 A0nvwv, Kerkyraio omws tni katagwgni. Wraia, o
typos loipov ntav UFO xouvtobasiliko kai gkriviaze, leei, dioti apo tote
pou steilame tov Koko kata Kapervaoum va pa va dei av erxomaste, exei
gemisei, leei, n Kerkyra alntotouristes. Evw, leei, tote me tov Koko kai
tnv Kokiva kai tn Freiderikara kai to lapa tov mpampa tou erxotave to jet
set!!!!! :-)
kai osoi exoune
>kammia dekara sthn tseph pane Majorces kai Minorces
>kai Efesso kai noikiazoune ta kotera apo th Mikra
>Asia, giati oi dikes mas marines den einai kala
>e3oplismenes...
Kus,adasi, xrysn mou, Kus,adasi! Exei kai disco tromeres, leei.
>
>am pws...
>
>L.
Liza
lida anestidou
taytish ?
me to mpekrhdes, me to Aggloi,h me to mpathrhdes?
den einai oloi me backpacks to idio. milhsa gia
sugkekrimenous touristes, kai na sou pw kati, nai, an
erxesai na 3eftulizeis ton topo opou paw kai gw gia
diakopes, na pareis ta lefta sou kai na pas allou na
ta 3odepseis. De 8a ta poulhsoume ola gia ta billions
pou les. Billions de mazeuontai apo tous mpathrhdes,
mazeuontai apo th mesaia ta3h, ayth pou *de* 8elei na
paei ekei opou einai ta alkooliasmena ptwmata swros
stous dromous ka8e bradu. Kai gw paw diakopes me
backpack, kai mena mou etyxe paromoio peristatiko me
auta pou dihgeisai kai mia kai duo kai treis fores,
kai sumfwnw pws h arpatzidikh kai papatzidikh
nootropia den kanei kalo, kai den dikaiologw kanena,
oute ta3itzh oute estiatora oute barman, kanena pou
douleuei oxi mono tous 3enous touristes alla kai tous
ellhnes. Opws paleuw na alla3w auto etsi de 8elw
malakismenous 3enous lexrites pou perimenoun na er8oun
2 bdomades diakopes na bgaloun ta apw8hmena ths
mikroastikhs tous zwhs kai nomizoun pws epeidh
plhrwsan paketo 200 xiliarika tous anhkei h ellada
oloklhrh. OXI!
na'r8eis, kurie mou, na se balw korwna sto kefali mou,
na se peripoih8w, na se tratarw, na se filepsw, na se
kanakepsw, alla na mou antapodwseis to idio. na er8eis
na'sai ka8aros, na afhneis filodwrhmata, na pareis
ta3i, na noikiaseis autokinhto, na fas ta psaria sou,
na pieis san an8rwpos, na 3enuxthseis, na glenthseis
*mazi* me tous upoloipous, kai tou xronou na 3anar8eis
kai na steileis kai filous kai gnwstous gia thn
poiothta tou tourismou sthn ellada, oxi gia thn
pswromizeria.
Lhda
se-sugxismeno-mode!
Stavros Pissadakis
> me fotografies, kai times. Perimevo se grammi gia dio bires. Evas
> Amerikavos touristas mprosta mou zntaei gia duo prassives. "1000
> drachmas please" leei o mparmpas. "1000??" rotaei o amerikavos,
> 3afiasmevos. "The sign says 400 drachmas for one, so 2 beers have to
> be 800 drachmas, correct?" Thev to perimeve auto o mparmpas, skeftike
> ligaki, kai leei: "You pay for the bottle deposit." "Oh, ok..." leei o
> amerikavos. "Two Heineken" tou lew, sta Agglika. "1000 drachmas
> please", mou leei o mparmpas. "xilies draxmes???" tou fovazw me veura
> sta Ellivika. "enta3i re file...800 draxmes gia seva..."
>
> Kala, giati se polla meri uparhouv dio times? Mia gia tous Ellives,
> kai alln timn gia tous touristes?
gia ton aplo logo oti o ksenos den tha katsei na kanei fasaria gia dio
mpires (gia 2 katostarika dhladh) alla o ellhnas tha kanei....
min blepeis omws thn mia pleura... ormomenos ek xaniwn, poli
touristikh kai filoksenh, kserw kala oti kathe xrono mia megali merida
ksenwn erxete ellada gia na bgalei ta anwmala apothymena ths... oi
perissoteroi apo aytous angloi, kai meta filandoi, amerikanoi ktl....
otan dhladh mia parea apo 15 methysmenous anglares thn peftoun
se ena typopitadiko me mia kopelitsa 18 xronwn na serbirei sto
pango, kai ta kanoun gialia karfia, kala kanoun meta oi estiatotes kai
taksitzides kai tous gdynoun....
an pantws pas se megala ksenodoxeia kai estiatoria, pou travane
touristes kapoiou epipedou (as mou epitrapei h ekfrash), oute to ena
fainomeno tha synanthseis oute to allo.... h katastash einai ligaki
amfidromh....
kalo apogeuma
S
Pissadakis Stavros
Optoelectronics Research Centre
University of Southampton
SO17 1BJ
UK
Tel. +44 1703 593954
Fax. +44 1703 593149
email. s...@orc.soton.ac.uk
Sophia
>
> Tourism is a major contributor to the economy in Greece, correct?
Dnladn, o tourismos eivai to 10% av 0uammai kala tou AEP mas. M'alla
logia av aurio oloi oi 3evoi touristes apofasizav va mnv er0ouv 0a
nmastav kata 10% ftwxoteroi. Dev eimaste apokleistika e3artnmevoi apo
tov tourismo. Av skeftoume malista oti tourismos eivai kai ta ta3idia
twv Ellnvwv, tote to eva trito tou tourismou stnv Ellada 0a prepei va
eivai eswterikos. Kapoios pou mevei stnv a0nva aki ergazetai se idiwtikn
epixeirnsn p.x. DEN epnreazetaia pota skampavebasmata tou tourismou.
Autoi pou epnreazovtai eivai oloi oi katoikoi twv vnsiwv pou afnsav at
xwrafia tous gia va givouv 3evodoxoi.
> Who cares what they do, as long as it' not illegal, or dangerous?
elega 0a eblepes oti eixame periptwseis:
0orubou se wres koivns nsuxias, prosbolns dnmosias aidous, epikivduvns
odngnsns upo tnv epnreia oivopveumatos, kivduvous gia tn dnmosia ugeia,
proklnsn kabgadwv klp klp klp
> They provide billions of dollars tothe economy, they provide jobs, etc.
Pleaaaaaaaaaaaase! TO Lovdivo MONO exei se eva xrovo osous episkeptes
exei n Ellada to xrovo. Dev blepeis tous touristes va 3ervave stousa
dromous, va kukloforouv me0usmevoi kai va mas deixvouv ta opis0ia toua
ama de mas goustarouv. KAi 3ereis poso snmavtikos eivai o tourismos gia
tnv Agglikn oikovomia;
>
> Den tha katalabo pwtes giati merikoi (not you, just generally speaking)
> thev to thelouv to tourismo.
De leme oti de 0eloume tov tourismo, de 0eloume tous alntotouristes. AKi
dustuxws opwskai va to kavoume alntotouristes eivai oloi autoi pou mas
koubaliouvtai. Kapote mporei va peivagame kai va tous blepame sa 0eous,
twra dev peivame kai exoume apaitnseis va ferovtai opws 0a feromastav
emeis stis xwres tous.
>
> Really? Skoupidi eimai? Pou halaw tou kosmou ta lefta otan pigaivo sti
> Ellada?
Eisia backpacker, eisai skoupidi. De 0elw va se apogonteusw, alal oloi
oi alntotouristes stnv Ellada backpackers eivai. Kai epeidn oellnvas dev
katalabaivei apo "bazw ta pragmata stnv platn kai paw", fusika kai se
0ewrei skoupidi. Afou 0umamai pou nmouva mikrn tous backpackers va
koubalave kai tis katsaroles tous kai va koimouvtai stous upvosakous sto
sidnrodromiko sta0mo tns Patras kai va plevovtai sta suvtribavia tu
limaviou. Eivai sobara pragmata auta; Prosferouv stnv oikovomia ams
autoi; Posa prosferouv; Kaveva xiliariko nmernsiws; Movo pou ta
teleutaia xrovia exouv ligosteyei autoi kai exoume gemisei me tous
package tourists pou eivai xeirotera skoupidia.
>
> Kala, giati se polla meri uparhouv dio times? Mia gia tous Ellives, kai
> alln timn gia tous touristes?
Gia tov idio logo pou se polla mern dev 0elouv tous ellnves touristes.
Dev tous kavoume gia pelates giati parapoviomaste ama ma sserbirouv
andies kai mas pouve oti eivia topikes spesialite, giati de goustaroume
kouber me bouturakai yugeiou kai ywmi gia tost, giait de 0eloume baked
beans kai HP sauce me tnv omeleta mas klpklp klp. Eipame: oka0e asxetros
pou dev exei paei pote tou ta3idi gia va dei ti 0an0ele o idios sav
touristas pngaivei ki avoigei 3evodoxeio kai meta klaigetai va tov
bon0nsei to kratos me epidotnseis giati dev eixe 110% plnrotnta.
Peter Hantzakos
\
>
> den einai oloi me backpacks to idio. milhsa gia
> sugkekrimenous touristes, kai na sou pw kati, nai, an
> erxesai na 3eftulizeis ton topo opou paw kai gw gia
> diakopes, na pareis ta lefta sou kai na pas allou na
> ta 3odepseis. De 8a ta poulhsoume ola gia ta billions
> pou les.
den lew na poulisouv tin Ellada se kavevav.
aplws, voniza pws o tourismos was worth something to the economy,
regardless of ti kavoun oi aggloi, oi skotsezoi, oi amerikanoi.
dev lew oti auto pou kavouv eivai swsto.
and I'm not trying to defend anyone.
These things happen almost everywhere where a *younger* crowd goes to
vacation, or to 'party', whether it's the Greek islands, Ibiza, Daytona
beach for reading week, Cancun. These are vacation spots. People are on
vacation. They let loose. They drink. They get rowdy. They become
malakes. They cause shit. And then they go home.
Billions de mazeuontai apo tous mpathrhdes,
> mazeuontai apo th mesaia ta3h, ayth pou *de* 8elei na
> paei ekei opou einai ta alkooliasmena ptwmata swros
> stous dromous ka8e bradu. Kai gw paw diakopes me
> backpack, kai mena mou etyxe paromoio peristatiko me
> auta pou dihgeisai kai mia kai duo kai treis fores,
> kai sumfwnw pws h arpatzidikh kai papatzidikh
> nootropia den kanei kalo, kai den dikaiologw kanena,
> oute ta3itzh oute estiatora oute barman, kanena pou
> douleuei oxi mono tous 3enous touristes alla kai tous
> ellhnes. Opws paleuw na alla3w auto etsi de 8elw
> malakismenous 3enous lexrites pou perimenoun na er8oun
> 2 bdomades diakopes na bgaloun ta apw8hmena ths
> mikroastikhs tous zwhs kai nomizoun pws epeidh
> plhrwsan paketo 200 xiliarika tous anhkei h ellada
> oloklhrh. OXI!
>
you're absoloutely right.
but see above.
auto pou lew, proswpika gia meva, eivai oti den m'aresei va blepw va
koroideuouv to kosmo, kai na tous klebouv.
ka0e fwra pou girizw stin Ellada, prepei na ginomai "poneiros", gia na
min me klebouv oi taxitzides, barmen, etc.
Again, I'm not saying that EVERYBODY is like this, but after seeing it
continously, you begin to wonder...
Peter Hantzakos
>
> min blepeis omws thn mia pleura... ormomenos ek xaniwn, poli
> touristikh kai filoksenh, kserw kala oti kathe xrono mia megali merida
> ksenwn erxete ellada gia na bgalei ta anwmala apothymena ths... oi
> perissoteroi apo aytous angloi, kai meta filandoi, amerikanoi ktl....
> otan dhladh mia parea apo 15 methysmenous anglares thn peftoun
> se ena typopitadiko me mia kopelitsa 18 xronwn na serbirei sto
> pango, kai ta kanoun gialia karfia, kala kanoun meta oi estiatotes kai
> taksitzides kai tous gdynoun....
Swsta, opws egrapsa kai sth Lida, pivouv yvopveuma, poly yvopveuma,
methouv, kai givovtai malakes kai kanoun malakies. Den ehw snvithisei
tis 'duo times' pote, kai aplws, de m'aresei na to blepw auto, oso kai
malakas einai o 'pelatis'. Av ta kavouv 'gialia karfia' however, totes
prepei na ta plirosouv kapws.
>
> kalo apogeuma
episns!
Nikos Sarantakos
>kala bre Petro, me poio komati tou email ekanes
>taytish ?
>me to mpekrhdes, me to Aggloi,h me to mpathrhdes?
>
>sugkekrimenous touristes, kai na sou pw kati, nai, an
>erxesai na 3eftulizeis ton topo opou paw kai gw gia
>diakopes, na pareis ta lefta sou kai na pas allou na
>ta 3odepseis. De 8a ta poulhsoume ola gia ta billions
>mazeuontai apo th mesaia ta3h, ayth pou *de* 8elei na
>paei ekei opou einai ta alkooliasmena ptwmata swros
>stous dromous ka8e bradu. Kai gw paw diakopes me
>backpack, kai mena mou etyxe paromoio peristatiko me
>auta pou dihgeisai kai mia kai duo kai treis fores,
>kai sumfwnw pws h arpatzidikh kai papatzidikh
>nootropia den kanei kalo, kai den dikaiologw kanena,
>oute ta3itzh oute estiatora oute barman, kanena pou
>douleuei oxi mono tous 3enous touristes alla kai tous
>ellhnes. Opws paleuw na alla3w auto etsi de 8elw
>malakismenous 3enous lexrites pou perimenoun na er8oun
>2 bdomades diakopes na bgaloun ta apw8hmena ths
>mikroastikhs tous zwhs kai nomizoun pws epeidh
>plhrwsan paketo 200 xiliarika tous anhkei h ellada
>oloklhrh. OXI!
>
>na se peripoih8w, na se tratarw, na se filepsw, na se
>kanakepsw, alla na mou antapodwseis to idio. na er8eis
>na'sai ka8aros, na afhneis filodwrhmata, na pareis
>ta3i, na noikiaseis autokinhto, na fas ta psaria sou,
>na pieis san an8rwpos, na 3enuxthseis, na glenthseis
>*mazi* me tous upoloipous, kai tou xronou na 3anar8eis
>kai na steileis kai filous kai gnwstous gia thn
>poiothta tou tourismou sthn ellada, oxi gia thn
>pswromizeria.
>
>Lhda
>se-sugxismeno-mode!
Kata koinhn pantws omologia me osous estiatores, ksenodoxous,
ktl. filous kai suggeneis exw suzhthsei, ta lefta ta afhnei
o ellhnas.
Kapote eixa kanei to laqos na paw se ena akribo ksenodoxeio
sth Rodo, opou eixe diaforous eurwpaious pou eixan
erqei me paketa aeroporika kai plhrwnan polu ligotera -kai
den htan paidakia me backpacks alla' oikogeneies.
Ekei, to prwino kai to bradino geuma htan plhrwmena, oxi
omws to krasi tou geumatos.
Qumamai oti sto prwino epeftan sto mpoufe
san korakia, gemizan ki epairnan mazi
tous mpoukalia xumo portokali ki eftiaxnan dekades santou.its
me ta pswmakia gia na eksoikonomhsoun to
meshmeriano faghto. Kai sto (dwrean) geuma, den eida
enan kseno na paraggelnei gia poto kati akribo. H' qa
epairnan apo mia portokalada, h' ena mikro krasi
sta 6. Kai se wraies psarotabernes (alla' opws kai na to
kanoume, to psari einai akribo) eida polles fores
ksenous na zhtane omeletes. Opote "dikaiws" o
magazatoras tous eferne omeleta me karabides,
h opoia ekane peripou oso kai to psari.
Dustuxws, o eurwpaios touristas einai polu pio
sfixtoxerhs apo ton ellhna sthn ellada. Isws einai logiko.
Den kserw ti kanei o amerikanos h' o kanados.
Oute kserw ti kanei o ellhnas touristas sto ekswteriko.
ns
Peter Hantzakos
>
> Peter Hantzakos wrote:
> >
> > Tourism is a major contributor to the economy in Greece, correct?
> No.
> Dnladn, o tourismos eivai to 10% av 0uammai kala tou AEP mas. M'alla
> logia av aurio oloi oi 3evoi touristes apofasizav va mnv er0ouv 0a
> nmastav kata 10% ftwxoteroi. Dev eimaste apokleistika e3artnmevoi apo
> tov tourismo. Av skeftoume malista oti tourismos eivai kai ta ta3idia
> twv Ellnvwv, tote to eva trito tou tourismou stnv Ellada 0a prepei va
> eivai eswterikos. Kapoios pou mevei stnv a0nva aki ergazetai se idiwtikn
> epixeirnsn p.x. DEN epnreazetaia pota skampavebasmata tou tourismou.
> Autoi pou epnreazovtai eivai oloi oi katoikoi twv vnsiwv pou afnsav at
> xwrafia tous gia va givouv 3evodoxoi.
Ok, I stand corrected. If you believe that tourism isn't important to
the Greek economy, particularly the Greek islands in the summer months,
well then... I think more than 10% of the population would be
affected...
hey, but what do I know...I'm a 'hazo-amerikanaki', right?
It's called the ripple effect. If ten million people don't spend money
on airlines flying into greece, travelling with taxis and buses, eating
at restaurants, shopping at souvenir stores, sleeping at hotels,
transporation to the islands, eating at cafes, exchanging money at the
banks, visiting national monuments, etc, etc, etc, etc, that's alot of
money not in the economy.
That means less airline flights, less planes, less pilots, less
mechanics, less ticket agents, less bagage handlers. Less restaurants,
less restaurant employees, less cafes, less hotels, less taxis, less
everything. And thus, a lower standard of living, generally.
> > Who cares what they do, as long as it' not illegal, or dangerous?
> They are both illegal and dangerous. Ama eixes dei to programma pou
> elega 0a eblepes oti eixame periptwseis:
> 0orubou se wres koivns nsuxias, prosbolns dnmosias aidous, epikivduvns
> odngnsns upo tnv epnreia oivopveumatos, kivduvous gia tn dnmosia ugeia,
> proklnsn kabgadwv klp klp klp
>
> > They provide billions of dollars tothe economy, they provide jobs, etc.
> Pleaaaaaaaaaaaase! TO Lovdivo MONO exei se eva xrovo osous episkeptes
> exei n Ellada to xrovo.
A few possible reasons for this:
Population
Transportation system
Customer service
Organization
London and the surrounding area has the population of Greece itself.
England is how many people nowadays? 50 60 70 million?
London han an awesome transportation system. You can go anywhere you
want from anywhere you want. Easily.
Maybe I see the world thru Canadian eyes, kai ta systumata pou ehoume
edw, kai ehw sinithisei, and maybe it's fantasy to believe that one day
I will receive 'customer service' in some parts of the world.
Kai epeidn oellnvas dev
> katalabaivei apo "bazw ta pragmata stnv platn kai paw", fusika kai se
> 0ewrei skoupidi. Afou 0umamai pou nmouva mikrn tous backpackers va
> koubalave kai tis katsaroles tous kai va koimouvtai stous upvosakous sto
> sidnrodromiko sta0mo tns Patras kai va plevovtai sta suvtribavia tu
> limaviou. Eivai sobara pragmata auta;
Opws einai o filos mas o ellinas stiv omonoia, pou bazei to arapositia
na psinontai se grill, ta girizei, ta girizei, kai meta bgazei mia testa
me nero, kai plenei ta podia to. kai pianei to arrapositi, to girizei
sto grill, kai skoupizei ta podia to...kai pianei to arapositi...
Or, o filos mas stn agora tns Spartns, pou poulan ta vegetables and
fruits to sabbato.
"Auto to karpouzi ekei" tou lew.
"Malista kurie."
To sikovei, to bazei grigora grigora sti zngaria, kai dev perimevei va
stathei to pointer tns zigarias
sto swsto baros, to bgazei amesws, kai leei "10 kila kurie". (The
pointer goes beyond the correct weight because it's like he's letting
the watermelon bounce on the scale).
"Ti les re; Deka kila; Gia zigise to pali, kai tha sou po EGO poso baros
paei to karpouzi...."
Or, the cashier at DEH in Athens after a long distance call that didn't
go thru.
"100 draxmes, file" mou leei.
"100 draxmes? O metritis leei 47 draxmes," leo egw.
"100, 47, ti einai diafora..."
Eivai sobara pragmata auta?
Prosferouv stnv oikovomia ams
> autoi; Posa prosferouv; Kaveva xiliariko nmernsiws; Movo pou ta
> teleutaia xrovia exouv ligosteyei autoi kai exoume gemisei me tous
> package tourists pou eivai xeirotera skoupidia.
Alrighty then!
wow...
> >
> > Kala, giati se polla meri uparhouv dio times? Mia gia tous Ellives, kai
> > alln timn gia tous touristes?
> Gia tov idio logo pou se polla mern dev 0elouv tous ellnves touristes.
> Dev tous kavoume gia pelates giati parapoviomaste ama ma sserbirouv
> andies kai mas pouve oti eivia topikes spesialite,
Totes, va serbirouv topikes specialite, kai ohi ahdies. Toso duskolo
eivai?
Mporouv na koroideuouv tous touristes, alla otav tous pei kapoios
ellinas gia tis malakies pou serbirouv, tous kakofainetai. Giati? Is it
that difficult to be honest?
Sophia
>
> Ok, I stand corrected. If you believe that tourism isn't important to
> the Greek economy, particularly the Greek islands in the summer months,
> well then... I think more than 10% of the population would be
> affected...
prospa0w va e3ngnsw.
> hey, but what do I know...I'm a 'hazo-amerikanaki', right?
Lovdivo oti oi Aglgoi 3ertouv va diaskedazouv, e,v a mnv avarwtn0w ti 0a
elegav av erxovtav Ellada;
> It's called the ripple effect. If ten million people don't spend money
> on airlines flying into greece, travelling with taxis and buses, eating
> at restaurants, shopping at souvenir stores, sleeping at hotels,
> transporation to the islands, eating at cafes, exchanging money at the
> banks, visiting national monuments, etc, etc, etc, etc, that's alot of
> money not in the economy.
Gia mia stigmn, oi perissoteroi erxovtai me ix etairies, opote dev
mpaivouv ta lefta sto tameiotns Olumpiakns pou eivai kratikn p.x., oso
gia ta3i kai tetoia, de vomizw va exei deikavevas mpatirotouristas pws
eivai ta ellnvika ta3iapo mesa. Omoiws kai gia ta ywvia tous, topolu
vaparouvkaveva 3exulwmevo makw gia tn 0alassakaikaveva fouskwto strwma,
suvolo duo xiliarika. Gia ta 3evodoxeia ta eipa ndn, gia to fagnto ta
eipe o Saravtakos, gia ta national monuments, omoiws, dev exw dei
kavevav apoautous tous alntes tns Zakuv0ou 'n tns Rodou va pngaiveiu
pou0eva: stnv pisiva tou 3evodoxeiou kai to bradu gia va me0usouv. E,
tetoious touristes DEN tous 0eloume giait emeis eimaste komple3arismevoi
veoploutoi ellnves pou to paizoume uynln periwpn,ti va kavoume :-)
> That means less airline flights, less planes, less pilots, less
> mechanics, less ticket agents, less bagage handlers. Less restaurants,
> less restaurant employees, less cafes, less hotels, less taxis, less
> everything. And thus, a lower standard of living, generally.
Afou eipame oti ta pio polla ta 3odeuouv oi ellnves...
> London and the surrounding area has the population of Greece itself.
> England is how many people nowadays? 50 60 70 million?
55
>
> London han an awesome transportation system. You can go anywhere you
> want from anywhere you want. Easily.
Oxi akribws, giati to xrnsimopoiw ka0e mera kai tuxaivei va 3erwpws
leitourgei. Kai stnv A0nva pavtws mporeis va aps pavtou opwskai sto
Lovdivo. Twra stn Skia0o isws va mnv mporeis alla oute ki edw sto
Petersfield, e3w apo to Mpraitov, mporeis va pas pavtou eukola. Kioi
polloi tureistes dev pave stnv A0nva oute stn 0esalovikn.
> >
> Opws einai o filos mas o ellinas stiv omonoia, pou bazei to arapositia
> na psinontai se grill, ta girizei, ta girizei, kai meta bgazei mia testa
> me nero, kai plenei ta podia to. kai pianei to arrapositi, to girizei
> sto grill, kai skoupizei ta podia to...kai pianei to arapositi...
Auto dev to exw dei kai ama to dw dev 0a agorasw apo autov tipota. Otav
omws pngaivw sto aerodromiokai prepei va pndaw pavw apo tous upvosakous
kai otav ka0omai dipla se av0rwpous pou plu0nkav movo stn 0alassa pou
ekava mpavio oses meres ka0nsav stnv Ellada kai gkriviazouv ki apo pavw
oti dev brnkav pou0eva fish & chips kai ti arxaia mas lete; Emeis dev
eidame tipota, e, va mnv bgw apo ta rouxa mou; Afou oi perissoteri apo
autus eivai av0rwpoi pou dev 0a tous milaga oute stnv Agglia.
> "Ti les re; Deka kila; Gia zigise to pali, kai tha sou po EGO poso baros
> paei to karpouzi...."
Auto mou to exouv kavei ki emeva kai peftei se alln katngoria, oxi sta
touristika.
> >
> Totes, va serbirouv topikes specialite, kai ohi ahdies. Toso duskolo
> eivai?
Eivai giati o agglos p.x. 0elei tngavntes patatyes kai omeletes MONO
giati dev exei va 3odeyei, ki otav tomagazi exei ekato tetoious dev
0aka0nsei va asxoln0ei metn mia parea pou 0a paraggelei kavoviko fagnto.
Sophia
>
> Kata koinhn pantws omologia me osous estiatores, ksenodoxous,
> ktl. filous kai suggeneis exw suzhthsei, ta lefta ta afhnei
> o ellhnas.
oti oi Ellnves 0elouv kaloperasn stis diakopes tous kai perissotero tous
aresei va apve va kavouv ta mpavia tus, va douve kai kaveva a3io0eato
klp para va givouv tufla ka0e bradu kai va 3ervave stous dromous.
>
> Kapote eixa kanei to laqos na paw se ena akribo ksenodoxeio
> sth Rodo, opou eixe diaforous eurwpaious pou eixan
> erqei me paketa aeroporika kai plhrwnan polu ligotera -kai
> den htan paidakia me backpacks alla' oikogeneies.
pali kala pou uparxouv kati tetoia mern pou tous mazeuouv olous autous
kaimevouv ta aklutera gia mas tous upoloipous.
>
> Qumamai oti sto prwino epeftan sto mpoufe
> san korakia, gemizan ki epairnan mazi
> tous mpoukalia xumo portokali ki eftiaxnan dekades santou.its
> me ta pswmakia gia na eksoikonomhsoun to
> meshmeriano faghto. Kai sto (dwrean) geuma, den eida
> enan kseno na paraggelnei gia poto kati akribo. H' qa
problnma: opws elege mia tupissa tis proalles stnv tv pou tnv eixe
steilei to BBC stnv Iapwvia va meivei me ola plnrwmeva klp kai vamas pei
tis evtupwseis tns (tous dialegouv meklnrwsn s'auto toprogramma): dev
mialei kavevas agglika, dev exei a3io0eata, dev exei fish & chips
pou0eva, dev pervaw kala. De me stelvav emeva stnviapwvia va perasw
kala;
> epairnan apo mia portokalada, h' ena mikro krasi
> sta 6. Kai se wraies psarotabernes (alla' opws kai na to
> kanoume, to psari einai akribo) eida polles fores
Bre Niko mou, oso akribo kai va eivai, to akribotero pou edwsa pote se
estiatorio sto Ellavta (kai ams epiase koroido) ntav 9K ekastos se
yarotabervca stn Messnviakn Mavn twra stis giortes (oi messnvioi eivia
agiogdutes epomevws), mtoi se lires 20. 3ereis poso exei va fas se
yaroestiatorio xamnlns periwpns sto Lovdivo; Yparxei estiatorio sto
Lovdivo pou va mnv dwseis eva dekaliro toulaxistov; Kai liga lew... Ta
ligotera se estiatorio ta eixa dwsei sto Mavtsester kai ntav 9 to atomo
kai gkriviazav oi misoi suvadelfoi oti ntav akriba. Me tetoious
tsiggouvndes ti va peis; Av aki dev eivai tsiggouvia, eiovai oti dev
exouv bgei pio pe3w aki dev 3erouv ti givetai stnv iia tus tn xwra, poso
mallov allou.
> Den kserw ti kanei o amerikanos h' o kanados.
Leve oti 3odeuouv perissotera.
> Oute kserw ti kanei o ellhnas touristas sto ekswteriko.
Egw ws ellnvis touristia me to sakidio stnv platn ava tas Eurwpas exw va
pw ta e3ns apo empeiries palioteres: 0eloume to 3evodoxeio mas va eivai
tns prokopns, oxi poluteles alla tns prokopns (kai va exei vtous, oxi
aplws duo bruses, opws eoxuv polla sto UK), to prwi trwme tou skasmou
sta 3evodoxeia alla dev pairvoume mazi mas giati dev 0eloume va to
pai3oume guftoi. Me olo auto to fai bebaiws dev trwme pali mexri tis
pevte-e3i to apogeuma, e3airouvtai merika e3tra, kafedes, pota klp sta
evdiamesa. Pngaivoume se ola ta mouseia kai ta a3io0eata. Mia fora
toulaxistov 0a dokimasoume tis topikes spesialite. 0a koita3oume av
uparxei tipota a3iologo va agorasoume gia tn mama pisw sto Ellavta.
Avonsies av kavoume; Fusika, mia fora sto trevo apo Waterford pros Cork
kavame tosn fasaria se aptaistov ellnvikn pou efuge o movos mn ellnv apo
to bagovi. Sta 3evodoxeia omws pote. Omoiws eis tnv wraia Mpratislaba
dev eida oti upnrxe periorismos stov ari0mo twv pelatwv pou epitrepotav
se eva soupermarket kai perasa oln tnv oura kai mpnka mesa xwris vaexw
katalabei tiegive. MEta dev n3era pou va kruftw,alal toepai3aegw dev
eimai apo dw.
Avonsies kavouv oloi oi ta3ideuoumevoi, omws TETOIES avonsies sav autes
pou mas deixvei n tnleorasn edw pera dev 0a ekava giait dev tis kavw upo
KS.
lida anestidou
>
> aplws, voniza pws o tourismos was worth something to
> the economy,
> regardless of ti kavoun oi aggloi, oi skotsezoi, oi
> amerikanoi.
ma ama afaireseis tous agglous, skotsezous kai
amerikanous, ka8ws kai tous germanous (alla gourounia
apo kei) meiname treis 3enoi kai meis oi ellhnes, tote
ti na suzhthsoume?
ase pou den sumperiferontai oi amerikanoi kat'auton
ton tropo, giati oi sugkekrimenoi amerikanoi pou
bgainoun apo thn xwra kai 8eloun na doun kai 2
pragmata peran ths xwras tous exoun kaluterous
tropous, enw oi kat'antistoixian lexrhtes, me8ustakes
white trash menoun mesa sth xwra, eutyxws gia mas.
>>
> These things happen almost everywhere where a
> *younger* crowd goes to
> vacation, or to 'party', whether it's the Greek
> islands, Ibiza, Daytona
> beach for reading week, Cancun. These are vacation
> spots. People are on
> vacation. They let loose. They drink. They get
> rowdy. They become
> malakes. They cause shit. And then they go home.
well, I'm sorry alla sth daytona beach during
springbreak to xali de ftanei tis benitses tou
Iouliou.
epishs, oses fores exw ta3idepsei e3w kai panta (ektos
apo to Perou do3a ton Allax) epefta panw se ellhnes
pote ma pote den eida ayto to xali. 9a mou peis, emeis
otan pame e3w gia tourismo pame gia na doume kai na
8ama3oume ta mouseia kai na pswnisoume ton agleora,
ara einai allou eidous tourismos autos apo auton ths
paralias. Fine. Thn ahdia pou dhmiourgoun oi
agglogermanarades me thn emetikh myrwdia xumenhs
mpuras panw tous, katw tous, gurw tous, sta mallia
tous, st'autia tous, sta rouxa tous, to xali na tous
blepeis na reuontai, na peirazoun asustola gynaikes,
na sernontai kai na mh mporoun na paroun ta
brwmopodara tous *den* to ftanoun ellhnikes neolaies
me tipote. kai meis me8usame kai phrame tis tzoures
mas kai koimh8hkame se paralies, kai..kai..kai....kai
o ka8eis edw mesa 3erei allous 500 tetoious, elaxistoi
ftasane sthn katantia auth. Ta xeirotera ginontai se
ekdromes tou sxoleiou, oxi sta nhsia to kalokairi.
oso gia ta sandwich apo ton mpoufe tou prwinou, ama
eisai me periorismeno mpatzet, 8a ta kaneis kai 8a
peis kai euxaristw apo panw. oso kai na to
koro.i.deuete, o proetoimasmenos de 8a bre8ei pote
katw apo to fasma ths peinas, na ormaei se otidhpote
tzankaria pou thn plhrwnei oso oso, epeidh htane
"gyftia" na kanei 2 sandwich to prwi na parei mazi
tou.
=====
Lhda
Nikos Sarantakos
>
>oso gia ta sandwich apo ton mpoufe tou prwinou, ama
>eisai me periorismeno mpatzet, 8a ta kaneis kai 8a
>peis kai euxaristw apo panw. oso kai na to
>koro.i.deuete, o proetoimasmenos de 8a bre8ei pote
>katw apo to fasma ths peinas, na ormaei se otidhpote
>tzankaria pou thn plhrwnei oso oso, epeidh htane
>"gyftia" na kanei 2 sandwich to prwi na parei mazi
>tou.
Se ola ta alla sumfwnw. Alla' oxi gia ta santou.its.
Ki egw to ekana auto sta youth hostel sta
perixwra tou Parisiou tote pou hmouna 20,
kai pou oi times htan aprosites (mporousame
na paroume mazi mas 200 dolaria, pou na
sou ftasoun gia ena mhna)
oxi omws otan egina 50 (pou den egina akoma)
kai na'xw oikogeneia me paidia, opws oi eurwpaioi
pou eida sth Rodo. Den to kanoun apo anexeia,
to kanoun apo pneuma oikonomias (bl. karmiria).
ns
Nikos Sarantakos
>Bre Niko mou, oso akribo kai va eivai, to akribotero pou edwsa pote se
>estiatorio sto Ellavta (kai ams epiase koroido) ntav 9K ekastos se
>yarotabervca stn Messnviakn Mavn twra stis giortes (oi messnvioi eivia
>agiogdutes epomevws), mtoi se lires 20. 3ereis poso exei va fas se
Gia th Messhniakh Manh den kserw, alla' sthn Kastella pou phgainw
kamia fora me ton koumparo dinoume panta minimoum 15-20 to atomo.
Kai oxi se magazia poluteleias. Bebaia sunhqws plhrwnei h etaireia.
Ennia xiliades to atomo den einai, feu, akriba pleon gia Aqhna.
ns
Yiannis Nicolis
Epistrefovtas eixe braduvo se kapoio 3evodoxeio me buffet kata
boulnsn. Oi Galloi ormnsav sav limasmevoi kai gemizav kati piata les
kai dev eixav 3avafaei. Oi Ollavdoi serbitoroi eixav meivei me
avoixto to stoma (av kai ap'o,ti mou eleges Niko ki autoi dev exouv
polu kaln fnmn). 0umamai oti nmouv dipla sto buffet kai ekoba me
maxairi kai pnrouvi eva kommati kapvistn regga va balw sto piato mou
otav 3afvika eva xeri perase apo pavw mou kai arpa3e tn regga
oloklnrn apo tnv oura! Eva zeugari Galloi filoi pou ntav mazi mou
elegav oti se kati tetoies stigmes vtrepovtai gia tous sumpatriwtes
tous.
Episnsn sto Amsterdam, se youth hostel me buffet sto prwivo eixa dei
kai evav Agglo va etoimazei eva poluorofo sandwich gia tnv nmera me
evalla3 zampov, turi kai xasisi! Omologw to pio prwtotupo sandwich
pou exw dei pote :-)
Yiannis
lida anestidou
oikogeneia otan egrafa, eixa emena (as poume) pou
paliotera (htis: pro amerikhs) hmouna kata pws
perigrafei h Sofia (ma santouits apo to mpoufe twra?
gyftia...), kai pou twra eimai kata pws katakrinete
sta ta3idia me strickt mpatzet, dioti elate eseis na
sas dwkoune per diem sth D.C. 32 mpakeros kai mh
kanete meta santouits. Dioti, agaphtoi mou, mpoufe se
diakopes mono se sunedria, oi diakopes sta nhsia
ginontai panta a. upo tous hxous maxairiwn pou koboun
ta keik ths mamas kai b. me salates kai frouta kai
psaria (eipame, gyftoi sto amerika, sto ellanta pote).
akou mpoyfe! kale, egw den exw meinei se 3enodoxeio
sta nhsia pote mou, par'ektos an sunodeuw th mhthr.
akou 3enodoxeio...dwmatio kai dh to kleinw epitopou
afou katebw apo to ploio...
kai to goustarw oso de fantazeste:)
eutyxws pou 8a eimai Pasxa katw, arxisa na murizw
psari hdh:)))))))))))))
mia fora
--- Nikos Sarantakos <sar...@village.uunet.lu> wrote:
> At 14:09 20/02/00 -0800, lida anestidou wrote:
> >
> >oso gia ta sandwich apo ton mpoufe tou prwinou, ama
> >eisai me periorismeno mpatzet, 8a ta kaneis kai 8a
> >peis kai euxaristw apo panw. oso kai na to
> >koro.i.deuete, o proetoimasmenos de 8a bre8ei pote
> >katw apo to fasma ths peinas, na ormaei se
> otidhpote
> >tzankaria pou thn plhrwnei oso oso, epeidh htane
> >"gyftia" na kanei 2 sandwich to prwi na parei mazi
> >tou.
>
> Se ola ta alla sumfwnw. Alla' oxi gia ta santou.its.
> Ki egw to ekana auto sta youth hostel sta
> perixwra tou Parisiou tote pou hmouna 20,
> kai pou oi times htan aprosites (mporousame
> na paroume mazi mas 200 dolaria, pou na
> sou ftasoun gia ena mhna)
> oxi omws otan egina 50 (pou den egina akoma)
> kai na'xw oikogeneia me paidia, opws oi eurwpaioi
> pou eida sth Rodo. Den to kanoun apo anexeia,
> to kanoun apo pneuma oikonomias (bl. karmiria).
>
> ns
>
>
=====
George Baloglou
<ioannis...@FREE.FR> writes:
>0umamai ws foitntns DEA, ekdromn me lewforeio sto Amsterdam.
>Epistrefovtas eixe braduvo se kapoio 3evodoxeio me buffet kata
>boulnsn. Oi Galloi ormnsav sav limasmevoi kai gemizav kati piata les
>kai dev eixav 3avafaei. Oi Ollavdoi serbitoroi eixav meivei me
>avoixto to stoma (av kai ap'o,ti mou eleges Niko ki autoi dev exouv
>polu kaln fnmn). 0umamai oti nmouv dipla sto buffet kai ekoba me
>maxairi kai pnrouvi eva kommati kapvistn regga va balw sto piato mou
>otav 3afvika eva xeri perase apo pavw mou kai arpa3e tn regga
>oloklnrn apo tnv oura! Eva zeugari Galloi filoi pou ntav mazi mou
>elegav oti se kati tetoies stigmes vtrepovtai gia tous sumpatriwtes
>tous.
Nacai kala, kaipo eixa va gelacw toco! :-) [Aic8avomai nolu a8wos m' auta
nou akouw, napemnintovtws ... kai me ligotepes tuyeis gia ta "aktividia
tou Fairbanks": eftaca ekei kanoio namfwto deilivo tou 86, mallov xwpis va
exw faei olh mepa, kai eyaxva gia kanoio cxetika fthvo mepos va faw, onote
... va mnpocta mou evas mnoufes! Efaga nolu logika, alla otav eida thv
kacela me ta aktividia -- cthv Alacka;! -- allh8wphca kai eneneca :-) ]
Giwpgos
YG Oco gia tous Ollavdous, blene kai "Dutch treat" :-)
Michalis Petrakos
> >
> > Peter Hantzakos wrote:
> > >
> > > Tourism is a major contributor to the economy in Greece, correct?
> > No.
> > Dnladn, o tourismos eivai to 10% av 0uammai kala tou AEP mas. M'alla
> > logia av aurio oloi oi 3evoi touristes apofasizav va mnv er0ouv 0a
> > nmastav kata 10% ftwxoteroi. Dev eimaste apokleistika e3artnmevoi apo
> > tov tourismo. Av skeftoume malista oti tourismos eivai kai ta ta3idia
> > twv Ellnvwv, tote to eva trito tou tourismou stnv Ellada 0a prepei va
> > eivai eswterikos. Kapoios pou mevei stnv a0nva aki ergazetai se idiwtikn
> > epixeirnsn p.x. DEN epnreazetaia pota skampavebasmata tou tourismou.
> > Autoi pou epnreazovtai eivai oloi oi katoikoi twv vnsiwv pou afnsav at
> > xwrafia tous gia va givouv 3evodoxoi.
>
>
> the Greek economy, particularly the Greek islands in the summer months,
> well then... I think more than 10% of the population would be
> affected...
Xantzako korwni mou mh masas. Ase to karakatsoulio na leei. To
10% tou GDP einai terastio noumero. Gia na katalabeis, h Ellada
eisagei aga0a kai uphresies $30bn kai e3agei ligotera apo ta misa.
Isoskelizei omws thn katastash (oxi teleiws alla a3ioprepws me
2.5% peripou elleima trexouswn sunallagwn) apo treis phges
Nautilia-piatades, tourismos, EU. Pou dinoun peripou 5bn o
ka0enas. Gia na katalabeis dhl. th shmasia tou tourismou gia thn
antagwnistikothta ths ellhnikhs oikonomias o tourismos einai peripou
to 1/3 olwn twn proiontwn kai uphresiwn pou e3agei h Ellas.
Epishs perisu ntraphka gia merikous sumpatriwtes mou (opws oi
galloi tou Sarantakou gia tous dikous tous) dioti mia mera tou
Augoustou phra ena zeugari apo thn Agglia apo to spiti pou tis
filo3enousa kai tis phga sto Arx. mouseio kai tous eipa na paroun
ta3i na epistrepsoun otan me to kalo kourastoun na apolambanoun
to periexomeno tou mouseiou. Sto phgaimo plhrwsa 500drx, sto
gurismo o ta3intzhs tous zhthse prokatabolh 2000drx gia thn idia
koursa (me anti0eth fora), fusika perpathsane apolambanontas ton
Attiko ourano kai epestrepsan eutuxismenes kai me egkaumata 1ou
ba0mou.
Mixalhs Petrakos
Yg. Den ntraphka otan oi sumpatriwtes mou ekleban
maxairophrouna stis pthseis ths TWA gia NY. Gnwrizw oti h guftia
den exei sunora.
-
Michalis Petrakos
Environment and GEO-information Unit
Space Applications Institute,
J.R.C. Ispra, T.P. 442,
I-21020, Ispra(VA), Italy.
Tel: +39 332 789593, Fax: +39 332 789803
http://ams.egeo.sai.jrc.it
Efthimios Tartaras
>vacation, or to 'party', whether it's the Greek islands, Ibiza, Daytona
>beach for reading week, Cancun. These are vacation spots. People are on
>vacation. They let loose. They drink. They get rowdy. They become
>malakes. They cause shit. And then they go home.
Oxi vevaia. Auta den "sumvainoun pantou". Sunvainoun apo an8rwpous pou
exoun megalwsei me th nootropia "den kanei na piw mexri ta 21 mou, alla
sta gene8lia mou 8a ginw kuriolektika liwma kai 8a ksernaw gia duo meres"
h' se autous pou tous pairnei 1 wra to apogeuma ths Paraskeuhs gia na
ginoun tufla kai na "glenthsoun" to Savvatokuriako. Auth einai h nootropia
kai de nomizw oti eimaste upoxrewmenoi na thn anextoume. Ti shmainei
"ginontai malakes" kai "they cause shit"; "Letting loose" and "drinking"
are not SYNONYMS with "getting rowdy" If they can't differentiate that's
their problem.
8emhs
Stavros Pissadakis
> galloi tou Sarantakou gia tous dikous tous) dioti mia mera tou
> Augoustou phra ena zeugari apo thn Agglia apo to spiti pou tis
> filo3enousa kai tis phga sto Arx. mouseio kai tous eipa na paroun
> ta3i na epistrepsoun otan me to kalo kourastoun na apolambanoun
> to periexomeno tou mouseiou. Sto phgaimo plhrwsa 500drx, sto
> gurismo o ta3intzhs tous zhthse prokatabolh 2000drx gia thn idia
> koursa (me anti0eth fora), fusika perpathsane apolambanontas ton
> Attiko ourano kai epestrepsan eutuxismenes kai me egkaumata 1ou
> ba0mou.
>
> Mixalhs Petrakos
>
> Yg. Den ntraphka otan oi sumpatriwtes mou ekleban
> maxairophrouna stis pthseis ths TWA gia NY. Gnwrizw oti h guftia
> den exei sunora.
...mporei oi ellhnes na klepsane maxairophrouna, alla kapoioi alloi
"aksiorepeis kai timioi" katebasan ta marmara tou parthenwna se
xilia kommatia gia na stolisoun to phrgo tous....kai exoun kai moutra
na to thewroun kai mangia!!!!!
S
ps: sthn anglia pou me kleboun 5 xronia twra, ti prepei na pw....
> -
> Michalis Petrakos
> Environment and GEO-information Unit
> Space Applications Institute,
> J.R.C. Ispra, T.P. 442,
> I-21020, Ispra(VA), Italy.
>
> Tel: +39 332 789593, Fax: +39 332 789803
> http://ams.egeo.sai.jrc.it
>
Pissadakis Stavros
Peter Hantzakos
>
> > Sophia wrote:
> > >
> > > Peter Hantzakos wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tourism is a major contributor to the economy in Greece, correct?
> > > No.
>
> 10% tou GDP einai terastio noumero. Gia na katalabeis, h Ellada
> eisagei aga0a kai uphresies $30bn kai e3agei ligotera apo ta misa.
> Isoskelizei omws thn katastash (oxi teleiws alla a3ioprepws me
> 2.5% peripou elleima trexouswn sunallagwn) apo treis phges
> Nautilia-piatades, tourismos, EU. Pou dinoun peripou 5bn o
> ka0enas. Gia na katalabeis dhl. th shmasia tou tourismou gia thn
> antagwnistikothta ths ellhnikhs oikonomias o tourismos einai peripou
> to 1/3 olwn twn proiontwn kai uphresiwn pou e3agei h Ellas.
Honestly, I think that tourism is a very real contributor to the Greek
economy.
I'm not sure why Sophia doesn't see it that way. Oh well, it's only my
opinion...
For example, take the money multiplier theory, (for those economists out
there).
One little pento-hiliaro. Watch it multiply.
The vromo-aplito-autos pou kanei mpanio se pisina-caveman-backpacker
takes the bus from Patra and goes to Athens. He buys bar-b-qued
arapositi from the guy washing his feet in the street in Athens. The guy
with the clean feet who sells arapositi, takes the pento-hiliaro and the
bus from Athens, (spends some of that pento-hiliaro) and goes to Sparti
and buys more arapositi (spends the rest of that pento-hiliaro) from the
vegetable thief, the guy who rips off people in the market with his
trusty scale, (the guy who bounces the watermelon off the scale). The
vegetable thief takes the money that he's made (part of the
pento-hiliaro) and is thirsty, so he goes to Kriti with Anek Lines (more
of the pento-hiliaro is spent), and buys two prasines from mparmpa, who
tries to overcharge him by 200 drachmes. (more of the pento hiliaro is
spent), and so-on and so-on....
So from one dirty guy who takes baths in fountains in Patra, that
pento-hiliaro has reached all over Greece, in industries not necesarrily
related to tourism directly.
Pete
Peter Hantzakos
Efthimio, kanw genikes paratiriseis (generalizations), to prove the
point that a *younger* crowd, generally speaking, goes on vacation to
party, generally speaking, and not to relax, generally speaking, like
older folks usually do, generally speaking.
Pete
Sophia
pevtoxiliaro pou mas kavouv avw katw eixame touristes pou avti gia eva
kalampoki pngaivav se eva kurile estiatorio kai etrwgav eva kavoviko
geuma, emevav se eva akribo 3evodoxeio, ekavav agores kavovikes se
magazia, dev 0a ntav kalutera; Dustuxws, epeidn opws exw pei ka0e
asxetos peri ta touristika exei givei 3evodoxos, xwris va3erei apo
3evodoxeia, to eidos tou tourista pou elkoume kai 0a suvexisoume va
elkoume eivai o alntotouristas. TO problnma omws m'auto eivai oti otav
me to kalo pragmatopoin0ouv ta oveira twv eurw-mavwv tns listas kai to
kostos zwns givei idio me tou Lovdivou p.x. (pou to plnsiazei) o
alntotouristas dev 0a 0elei pleov va er0ei stnv Ellada giati dev 0a tov
sumferei (n Tourkia sumferei pio polu). O leftas touristas dev 0a
erxetai giati etsi ki alliws dev 0a exoume upodomn gia va tou
prosferoume tipota kai oi movoi pou 0a kavouv tourismo stnv Ellada 0a
eivai oi Ellnves kai osoi bre0nkav kata la0os. Auto exei ndn arxisei va
sumbaivei siga siga edw kai xrovia.
Av upo0esoume oti oi ellnves touristes 3odeuouv perissotero stis
diakopes tous (opws eipe o Saravtakos), logika tnv touristikn biomnxavia
stnrizouv perissotero oi Ellnves kai oi ligoi 3evoi ki oxi oi
ftnvopackage.
Kai va sou pw kati akoma: ekmetalleusn twv touristwv eimai sigourn oti
givetai pavtou, apla av o tourkos ta3itzns paei va me koroideyei gia eva
pevnvtariko (pou mou suvebei stnv Kwvstavtivoupoln) mporei kai va mnv pw
tipota giati eivai eva pevnvtariko MONO. Omoiws, n serbitora stn
Mpratislaba pou vomize oti dev 3eroume pros0esn kai pnge va mas
fouskwsei to logariasmo apo 300 drx se 320drx, morei ama me petuxei se
kaln mera va mnv ths kavw fasaria giati eivai mikro to poso. Evw sto
Ellavta toposo dev 0a eivai kai toso mikro.
Efthimios Tartaras
>point that a *younger* crowd, generally speaking, goes on vacation to
>party, generally speaking, and not to relax, generally speaking, like
>older folks usually do, generally speaking.
>
>Pete
I agree. We were younger too, and we were going on vacation to party too.
However, we did not throw up all over our clothes, our bed, our friends'
hair, etc. You understand the difference I suppose. We all get drunk
once in a while, but this mentality that I have to get drunk to the point
that I throw up all over the place every single night, I don't understand it.
We can excuse so many things because of "youth", but there has to be a limit
and an accountability somewhere.
8emhs