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Peter Petropoulos

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Nov 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/16/00
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Dev gvwrizw pou briskete tis plnrofories pou leve oti oi
Amerikavoi rwtnsav tous Eurwpaious kai tov Papadopoulo va
tous afnsouv va perasei n aerogefyra apo ta aerodromia tous
tov Oktobrn tou '73.

To gegovos eivai oti rwtn0nke movo n Portogalia stis 12 Oct
me 0etikn apavtnsn upo orous gia stratiwtiko uliko gia tous
polemous tns stnv Mozambikn kai stnv Agkola. H Amerikavikn
apavtnsn arvn0nke tous orous kai apeilnse tnv Portogalia me
adiaforia pros ta mellovtika problnmata tns viz tous Sobietikous
stis apoikies tns. Stis 13 Oct oi Portogaloi avoiksav to
aerodromio Lajes stis Azores gia avefodiasmo se kausima aeroplavwv
tns EL-AL kai twv C-141, ka0ws kai allwv politikwv aeroskafwv upo
Amerikavikou kai Isranlivou charter. Ta C-5As petagave xwris stasn
(dev eixav avagkn stasns).

Opote, oi eikasies gia magkia/avtistasn tou Arxi-Xouvtaiou eivai
foumara gia katavalwsn apo tous kseftylismevous omoideates tou
xazou.

Petros

Petropoulos, Lambros

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Nov 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/16/00
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Apo to Air Force magazine, December 1998:

"The threat of an oil embargo frightened US allies. With a single exception,
they all denied landing and overflight rights to the emergency MAC (Military
Airlift Command gi'autous pou dev 3erouv) flights. The exception was
Portugal, which, after hard bargaining, essentially agreed to look the other
way as traffic mushroomed at Lajes Field."


Episns, to Lajes eivai 3,297 milia makria apo US kai meta to Lod/Ben Gurion
alla 3,163 milia. To prwto C-5 3ekivnse apo to Lajes kai 3avagurise ekei
logo problnmatos me tnv mnxavn tou. (Ypopsn koubalave 100 tovvous cargo dev
eivai 777 LA -> Parisi). Episns sta0meuav sto Lajes giati sto Lod afnvav sto
edafos movo eva C-5 ka0e fora (eivai polu eualwta sto edafos).

Tseligkas

Peter Petropoulos

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Petropoulos, Lambros wrote:

> Apo to Air Force magazine, December 1998:
>
> "The threat of an oil embargo frightened US allies. With a single exception,
> they all denied landing and overflight rights to the emergency MAC (Military
> Airlift Command gi'autous pou dev 3erouv) flights. The exception was
> Portugal, which, after hard bargaining, essentially agreed to look the other
> way as traffic mushroomed at Lajes Field."

Siga twra mn pairvoume tis blakeies tou magkazivou ws Istoria...Oi
Eurwpaioi rwtn0nkav to pws 0a blepave mia apeu0eias Amerikavikn epembasn
epi tou edafous se periptwsn pou oi Isranlivoi dev 0a katafervav va
apw0nsouv tous Arabes. Kai auto ntav duvato mias kai tis nmeres ekeives
to kratos to etrexe o Kissivgker (molis eixe paraitn0ei o Agnew, molis
o katngoros eixe bgalei subpoenas kata Nixon gia taivies, k.l.p., stnv
upo0esn Watergate) kai ws Sec of State ntav stnv etnsia UN Gen Assembly
kai eixe olous tous ``allies'' stnv NYC.

H Xouvta pavta ntav Amerikaviko piovi, kai peremeive tetoio mexrn tnv
teleutaia stigmn tns. Meta metallax0nke se Nea Dnmokratia.

Petros

pelopas

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"H Ellada pavta ntav Amerikaviko piovi kai paramevei tetoio mexri kai
shmera. "

Skepseis parakolouthwntas ta ektakta twn Ellhnikwn kanaliwn gia ton Giwrgo
Thamno kai ton Alverto Goridi.

Petropoulos, Lambros

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Nta3, as poume pws to magkazivo leei mpourdes, tote giati diale3ave oi
Amerikavoi va pave apo A0nva-Lamia mesw Pekivou? Kai malista pavw apo tnv
Mesogeio pou karadokousav ta "hostile African States"?

Tseligkas

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From: Peter Petropoulos [mailto:pet...@CAMS1.NJIT.EDU]

Sophia Economides

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Nov 16, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/16/00
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Pelopa, oi skeyeis sou pavta la0-os. Gia pare eva biblio istorias kai 0a
deis oti n Agglia apo ta prwta bnmata tou ELlnvikou kratous mexri tn
dekaetia tou pevnvta mas eixe ka0isei sto sberko ki o,ti elege kavame.
Ara logika to "pavta" paei stn Bretavikn autokratoria ki oxi stis HPA.

pelopas wrote:
>
> "H Ellada pavta ntav Amerikaviko piovi kai paramevei tetoio mexri kai
> shmera. "
>
> Skepseis parakolouthwntas ta ektakta twn Ellhnikwn kanaliwn gia ton Giwrgo
> Thamno kai ton Alverto Goridi.

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Peter Petropoulos

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On Thu, 16 Nov 2000, Petropoulos, Lambros wrote:

> Nta3, as poume pws to magkazivo leei mpourdes, tote giati diale3ave oi
> Amerikavoi va pave apo A0nva-Lamia mesw Pekivou? Kai malista pavw apo tnv
> Mesogeio pou karadokousav ta "hostile African States"?

Gia pollous logous, evas ek twv opoiwv o idios me ekeivov pou epetrepse
stous Sobietikous va arxisouv tnv dikn tous aerogefyra apo Ouggaria pros
Damasko/Kairo 2 meres priv autn twv Amerikavwv.

Eksw apo tnv Krntn o 6os stolos kai o Sobietikos stolos ekobav boltes
o evas gyrw apo tov allo.

Petros

George Baloglou

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Nov 17, 2000, 1:30:02 AM11/17/00
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In article <8v15ir$gq6$1...@cruncher.dfci.harvard.edu>,
Petropoulos, Lambros <lpetro...@ELS.WYLELABS.COM> wrote:

>Apo to Air Force magazine, December 1998:
>

>"The threat of an oil embargo frightened US allies. With a singl exception,


>they all denied landing and overflight rights to the emergency MAC (Military
>Airlift Command gi'autous pou dev 3erouv) flights. The exception was
>Portugal, which, after hard bargaining, essentially agreed to look the other
>way as traffic mushroomed at Lajes Field."

^^^^^
Wpaio auto to "look the other way" :-) Oco gia to "Lajes", to mualo mou
nhge cto Lajes do Pico (cto omwvumo vhci twv Azopwv), onou eixa meivei gia
ligo to 1995. Ebgala xaptes kln kai dienictwca oti to ictopiko aepodpomio
bpicketai ce allo vhci, thv Terceira: npenei va eivai to idio aepodpomio
me to nolitiko, an' onou eixa nepacei xwpis va unonteu8w to megalo tou
muctiko^ to bpickw twpa kai cto http://www.emfa.pt/faping/Ba4.htm -- and
here is its "mission":

a) Guarantee the readiness and deployment of the assigned air units, or to
be assigned as reinforcement;

b) Guarantee the full operation of the air field;

c) Guarantee military security and the immediate defense of the area and
other locations under its jurisdiction;

d) Guarantee the co-ordination of the Search and Rescue activities in its
assigned area.

Auta!

Giwpgos

pelopas

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17 Noembriou shmera.....

ZHTW H 21 H APRILIOY 1967 !!!!!!!
ZHTW O GEWRGIOS PAPADOPOYLOS !!!ZHTW O KAPITALISMOS!!!!!
ZHTW TO XRHMATISTHRIO!!!!!
ZHTW O KLINTON !!!!!
ZHTW O BUSH !!!!
ZHTW O SHMITHS !!!!


"Pou'sai re Giwrgo Papadopoule na tous ksanakaneis pali ta tria -dyo"
!!!!!


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Costa Flocas

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On Thursday, November 16, 2000 8:29 PM, Peter Petropoulos
[SMTP:pet...@CAMS1.NJIT.EDU] wrote:

> H Xouvta pavta ntav Amerikaviko piovi, kai peremeive tetoio mexrn tnv
> teleutaia stigmn tns. Meta metallax0nke se Nea Dnmokratia.

Tsou re Dhmokratikh kai Proodeutikh kinhsh tou enos!
cf

Andreas Dakanalis

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> -----Original Message-----
> From: The Hellenic Discussion List
> [mailto:HEL...@lists.psu.edu]On Behalf Of pelopas
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 9:53 AM
> To: HEL...@LISTS.PSU.EDU
> Subject: Re: Xouvtes, Isranl, aerogefures, ola ta sfazw...
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>
> 17 Noembriou shmera.....
>
> ZHTW H 21 H APRILIOY 1967 !!!!!!!
> ZHTW O GEWRGIOS PAPADOPOYLOS !!!ZHTW O KAPITALISMOS!!!!!
> ZHTW TO XRHMATISTHRIO!!!!!
> ZHTW O KLINTON !!!!!
> ZHTW O BUSH !!!!
> ZHTW O SHMITHS !!!!
>
>
> "Pou'sai re Giwrgo Papadopoule na tous ksanakaneis pali ta tria -dyo"
> !!!!!
>

Nai re Pelopa!!! Se parakalw!! Bres kapoiov ap'autous va mas kavei ta tria
duo!!!
Please!!!

:-)))))))))

Avdreas.

pelopas

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Klinton? Bush? Shmith? Xrimatistirio?
Poion protimas? ( ase to xrimatistirio exei idi kanei ta tria - miden)

George Sapountzis

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Andrea ton tarajes ton Pelopa kai apo thn sugxish epanelabe to mail sou.
Isos na psaxnei na tous brei...

Andreas Dakanalis

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Protimw tov Patako :-))
Pathetic!
:-)

Avdreas.

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> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 2:24 PM
> To: ad...@freemail.gr
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Andreas Dakanalis

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O Pelopas eivai sav to Karatzafern :-)
Exei to akatalogisto stnv lista sta peri politikwv!
Toulaxistov apo meva. Gi'auto movo me xioumor mporei v'avtimetwpis9ei.
Allous blepw oti deila-deila kai pali arxizouv tnv amfisbntnsn tou
Polutexveiou kai tou rolou pou epai3e stnv Ellnvikn istoria.
Ola odngouv stnv logikn tou kapote (euelpistouv dnladn) va leve oi Ellnves:
Polutexveio; Poio Polutexveio;
Xouvta; Poia Xouvta;
Dnmokratia; Poia dnmokratia;

Egw apavtw "Afes autois, ou gar oidasi ti poiousi... "

Avdreas.


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pelopas

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Apo simerini Eleutheri Wra:
Patakos shmera dhlwse" OUTE ENA SKAMPILAKI DEN EIXE FAEI TO MARAKI"
(gia tin Damanaki pou eixe doulepsei kosmo k kosmaki ekeini tin epoxi -
twra omws?)

pelopas

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Auta eginan mia epoxi prin apo pola xronia... katw apo synthikes
diaforetikes me atoma diaforetika..... simera atenizoume mme aisiodoksia to
mellon kai auta peri polytexneiou k xountas klp paregrapse ta...
Mazy enwmenoi, pote nikimenoi loipon....
TO XRIMATISTHRIO ZEI, AYTO MAS ODHGEI

An eidate - eixa paei sinema kai ta akousa sto radio prin ligo- ta tou
polytexneiou klp efetos eisan sketi apotyxia..molis 5.000 atoma -
anarxikoi oi perissoteroi - kataferan na mazeutoun kai na diabasoun ta
onomata twn pethamenwn tou polytexneiou.
Efetos leei bgikan 88 !!!! Merikoi malista douleuoun parastikan
autoproswpws xexexe


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Andreas Dakanalis

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Eipame Pelopa movo plaka :))
Euxaristw loipov gia to gelio pou mou parexeis me ta tria-duo twv
PapadopouloPatakoMakarezoXouvtoIwavvidikwv :-))
Eidika stnv Eleu9ern Wra! Krima pou argises va mou to peis kai dev tnv
agorasa gia ev9umio :-)))

Avdreas.


> -----Original Message-----
> From: pelopas [mailto:pel...@otenet.gr]
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 10:51 PM
> To: ad...@FREEMAIL.GR
> Cc: ZHTW H HELLAS!!!!!!!
> Subject: Re: Re: Xouvtes, Isranl, aerogefures, ola ta sfazw...
>
>
> Apo simerini Eleutheri Wra:
> Patakos shmera dhlwse" OUTE ENA SKAMPILAKI DEN EIXE FAEI TO MARAKI"
> (gia tin Damanaki pou eixe doulepsei kosmo k kosmaki ekeini tin epoxi -
> twra omws?)
>
>

> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: <HEL...@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
> Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 8:09 PM
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>

> Protimw tov Patako :-))
> Pathetic!
> :-)
>
> Avdreas.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: pelopas [mailto:pel...@otenet.gr]
> > Sent: Friday, November 17, 2000 2:24 PM
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> >

Spyros Daskaleas

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Eeee, an to leei h Eley8erh Wra, alh8eia 8a einai re pelopa :-)

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George Sapountzis

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Apo thn TV ex9es kai en iligois
Eixe ena Giatro pou perie9alpse tote kapoious xtuphmenous. Prota gia
nekrous eipe oti h gunaika tou eide nekrous, deutero gia xtuphmeno apo
sfaira Ntoum Ntoum (lete na ezhse? an kai to euxomai den to pisteuo), alla
anefere kai alles periptoseis. Apla kai grhgora ta anafero kai mono ta
psigmata auta, den perimeno na me pistepsei o Pelopas bebaia. Lete na
xaideuoun oi sfaires Ntoum Ntoum? Epishs h adelfh kapoiou skotomenou apo
ton Ntertilh, pou eipe ston odhgo tou (to kathghlei o idios o odhgos tou).
Koita re, para ta 40 tosa xronia mou, shmadi. Kai purobolise to agori sto
kefali!!!!!! Mallon kai auto xadi htan.
Ta xronia pernane, oi entuposeis apalunontai alla ta gegonota den
jexniontai. Opoios jexnaei thn istoria tou xanetai.
Auto den uposthrizei kai o Pelopas?
Mou 9umizei to stul uperaspishs ton xountikon pou, para tis opoies
prospa9eies sto dikasthrio, sto telos to truk htan, erothsh stous martures
(ta 9umata dhladh pou eixan basanistei, ejoristei, BIASTEI, sakateutei
genika) 9elete na timorh9oun oi kathgoroumenoi? Kai bebaia sthrizan polla
sto oti oi gunaikes den 9a tolmousan na pou oti tis biasan. Alla den
upologisan kala, oute auto tous bghke.

pelopas

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Giwrgo, oxi mono den ypirksan nekroi per say ( enas epese apo
apostrakismeni), alla
i Epanastasis tis 21hs Apriliou 1967 ypostirixthike apo tous Ellhnes gia
toulaxiston 3 xronia ektos apo orismenous Aristerous pou tous perimazepsan
kai tous eksorisan. Gia ebga simera stin eparxia kai pese to onoma tou
Papadopoulou - i laspologia gia ton Papadopoulo ginetai kai ginotan mono
stin Athina. Alla twra kai ekei exei ksipnisei o kosmos kai den ypostirzei
pleon tous Aristerous Anarxikous pou me kati kokkines anthelinikes
simaioules bgainoun k nomizoun oti exoume diktaktoria tou proletariatou sto
Ellanta...

pw pw kai yposxethika ston ASTERA AMALIADOS na min katigorw tous
Aristerous.... einai kala kai basileuei o ASTERAS - to "basileuei" ti to
ithela pali :-)

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George Sapountzis

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La9os Pelopa, diafonoume ka9etos orizontios egarsios, katakorufos kai
diagonios.Den uposthrizotane h xounta, apla o kosmos fobotane. Akoma kai
meta th xounta gia kapoio diasthma uphrxe fobos. Kai nekroi uphrjane, alla
gia logous mallon skophmothtas den psajane pote na ma9oune epishma posoi
htan. Kai tous aristerous den tous perimazepsan. Tous arpajan apo ta spitia
tis oikogeneies tous kai tis douleies tous . Na mhn ta leme opos 9eloume
kai mas boleuei e?
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