H Ellnvikn pragmatikotnta autn tnv stigmn (02/01)
Petropoulos, Lambros
35 F-16 Block 50
37 F-16 Block 30
34 Mirage 2000
kai meta pame:
24 Mirage F-1CG
91 A-7
95 F-4
97 F-5
Twra bebaia ta F-5 kai ta Mir F-1 eivai va pw to ligotero paliatzoures.
Opote milame gia 106 aeroskafn tritns gevvaias kai 186 A-7/F-4 apo ta opoia
ta misa exouv kapoia a3iologa upgrades.
Oi Tourkoi twra milouv me:
136 F-16 block 30/40
30 di0esia F-16 Block 30/40
80 F-16 xwris electronic countermeasures
218 F-4
161 F-5
Apo epi0etika elikoptera emeis metrame 24 AH-64A kai oi Tourkoi 42 AH-1P/W.
Oi sugkriseis dikes sas.
Tseligkas
Costa Flocas
[SMTP:lpetro...@ELS.WYLELABS.COM] wrote:
[snip]
Tseligka, auto pou den 3erw einai an ONTWS exei shmasia--dedomenhs ths
ellhnikhs epikrateias--h ari8mhtikh yperoxh. Den 3erw, alla rwtaw mhpws apo ena
shmeio ki epeita DEN exei nohma h posotikh yperoxh. Den mporw na fantastw
dhladh OLA auta ta aeroplana se dogfights thn idia stigmh panw apo to Aigaio.
8a mou peis, e, ws ena shmeio prepei na tous parakolou8oume alla ki ap' thn
allh, an eixame thn Amerikh, p.x. dipla mas kai DEN ta phgainame kala, 8a
'prepe na exoume osa exei ki h Amerikh?
Poly aplo.i.ka bebaia to 8etw to erwthma, alla esy 3ereis kalytera ws pio
shmeio (ane3arthta kata po$o ma$ pairnei) exei nohma h posotikh isorropia
dynamewn...
cf
Asteras Amaliadas
Tseligka, den 3erw an ema8es oti xtes 11 bouleutes ths ND kate8esan
eperwthsh sth boulh gia to 8ema tou e3ugxronismou peripou 50 F-4E pou htan
na ginei mexri to Noembrio 2000 apo thn DASA, kai den exei parado8ei oute
to prwtotupo (pou eprepe na parado8ei to Septembriou 1999). Oi bouleutes
ths ND rwthsan giati h etaireia DASA den kurhxthke ekptwth (thn apanthsh
thn 3eroume oloi: GIATI PAROLO OTI AUTO ZHMIWNEI THN E8NIKH AMUNA, KAPOIOI
PASOKTZHDES DIAPLEKOMENOI KATAFERNAN NA MHN KATAGGEL8EI H SUMBASH, GIATI
ETSI TRWGANE ME DEKA MASELES!).
>Tseligkas
Asteras Amaliadas
Petropoulos, Lambros
Pasoktzndes. Eivai n ELLHNIKH NOOTROPIA kai telika tnv plnrwvouv oi
xeirnstes evw alloi xtizouv billes me to aima tou Ellnvikou laou. Dev ntav
oute duo ebdomades pou avefera to 0ema twv F-4, kai ta upgrades twv F-16
simulators (apo block 30 se block 50). Epeidn avamoigviwmai me procurements
twra teleutaia (pou katavtnsa eee??) ta blepw prwto xeri kai n movn elpida
eivai oti uparxouv merikoi av0rwpoi pou voiazovtai pragmatika (karabavades
bebaia giati gia politikous 3exase to).
Opsome0a
Tseligkas
Petropoulos, Lambros
arkestoume sto oti priv 5 mnves olos o Ara3os ntav stov aera kai se mia fasn
ntav suvolo gurw sta 100 aeroskafn pavw apo to Aigaio (oi av0rwpoi av dev
agorasav laxeio meta tnv emplokn ekavav megalo la0os giati oi pi0avotntes
gia atuxnma eivai polu megales se tetoies katastaseis). Twra bebaia oi
ari0moi paizouv megalo rolo akoma giati oi epi0eseis 0a givouv kata kumata
kai me diaforetikous skopous n ka0e mia. Oi Tourkoi exouv ta vwta tous
fulagmeva apo tous Amerikavo/Gallo/Agglous stnv basn tou Intzirlik. To
zntnma eivai oti opws deixvouv ta pragmata oi Tourkoi 0a pa0ouv megaln voila
me tnv epilogn tou JSF giati dev blepw me tipota delivery date sto 2006-7
pou elpizouv. Na mnv sou pw oti oi Tourkoi mallov 0a parouv, AN PAROUN, to
prwto JSF meta to 2010. Exe upopsn sou oti protereotnta gia tous Amerikavous
exei to F-22 kai to Super Hornet kai 0elouv gurw sta 100 tov xrovo. Me kamia
kubervnsn dev mporei o Amerikavikos proupologismos va kavei fund 100
F-22/F-18 + 100 JSF tov xrovo. Opote mallov 0a perimevouv va givouv ola ta
deliveries twv F-22 kai F-18 kai meta 0a dwsouv to prasivo fws gia to JSF
(gia va mnv sou pw oti mporei va akurw0ei to JSF). Twra ti mas voiazei
emas???? Mas voiazei kai mas paravoiazei giati me 90 Eurofighter apoktoume
aeroporikn uperoxn kai oi Tourkoi 0a avagkastouv va 3ava-avoi3ouv tnv grammn
tou F-16 (kamia sugkrisn ta duo aeroskafn).
Tseligkas
Angelo Berios
wrote:
> Egw Astera mou ta exw pei apo polu kairo alla dustuxws dev eivai movo oi
> Pasoktzndes. Eivai n ELLHNIKH NOOTROPIA kai telika tnv plnrwvouv oi
> xeirnstes evw alloi xtizouv billes me to aima tou Ellnvikou laou. Dev ntav
> oute duo ebdomades pou avefera to 0ema twv F-4, kai ta upgrades twv F-16
> simulators (apo block 30 se block 50).
Re pinti gia spase ta blocks na paroume grammh. Ti einai ta block 30 kai 50
giati to 0ema kai h anissorropia enoxloun...
Baggelhs
PS Paw sta bouna gia xionopolemo...
Petropoulos, Lambros
kai twra trizouve ta dovtia mas stous 50F!!! Dev eivai katastasn autn re...
Ta block 30 apo ta block 50 kai block 60 eivai eidn avaba0misews, cockpit
design, ravtar, avionics, electronic countermeasures k.t.l. Twra tis
leptomeries dev tis exw sugkratnmeves sto mualo mou alla mporeis va tis
breis apo to Jane's review.
Tseligkas
Angelo Berios
wrote:
> Pou'sai su re Brukolaka??? Emeis pavtos re mavgka edw eixame 77F mexri x0es
> kai twra trizouve ta dovtia mas stous 50F!!! Dev eivai katastasn autn re...
Tseligka edw sto Mile High jeskisthke sto xioni kai den m' exei
polusunh0isei se tetoies sugkinhseis. Triakosies meres to xrono hliofaneia
diafhmizoun oi i0ageneis. H plaka einai oti den me pairnei gia ski auth thn
epoxh kai perimenw pws kai pws na allajei to 0ema mia kai bgazw to motori
apo to sunergeio auth thn ebdomada. Thn perasmenh ebdomada ki edw prepei na
akoumphsame ebdomhntari alla mesa ejhnta, penhnta ki ekei periferetai o
deikths. H allh plaka einai oti ka0e for a pou jeskizetai etsi mou kostizei
pollous pe0amenous proedrous h katastash kai me rixnei akoma perissotero.
Adeiazoun ta xwrafakia mou re su mias kai oi i0ageneis den kukloforoun me ta
toutou tous... Paw twra gia bouno ejoplismenos artia gia na dw mia
kampinitsa mesa sth fush... Ekei blepw to epomeno to Porku me orxhstra
naulwmenh kai gournopoules sth soubla. Panhguri sou lew. Qa xtuphsw ki ena
proskunhtari ston Agio Leia na deis to Skeboulh na kataf0anei odhgwntas...
>
> Ta block 30 apo ta block 50 kai block 60 eivai eidn avaba0misews, cockpit
> design, ravtar, avionics, electronic countermeasures k.t.l.
Auto upoyiasthka alla eipa kalutera na rwthsw...
> Twra tis
> leptomeries dev tis exw sugkratnmeves sto mualo mou alla mporeis va tis
> breis apo to Jane's review.
>
> Tseligkas
>
Qa to yajw to 0ema sto gurismo. Exw pe0umhsei to Manhattan beach kai kati
alla lhmeria ths geitonias sou. An kleisei to deal suntoma me blepw me
trailer pisw apo to ML to motori panw kai gia tis kalifornezikes pistes.
Mporei na sou ferw kai kommwtries apo to Mile High...-:))))
Baggelhs
PS Tseligka ekei pou paw exei kai agriogida...
pelopas
katagalana nera tou korinthiakou.....
Tyfla na'xoun ola......
PELOPAS
----- Original Message -----
From: "Petropoulos, Lambros" <lpetro...@ELS.WYLELABS.COM>
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To: <HEL...@LISTS.PSU.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2001 8:57 PM
Subject: Re: H Ellnvikn pragmatikotnta autn tnv stigmn (02/01)
Pou'sai su re Brukolaka??? Emeis pavtos re mavgka edw eixame 77F mexri x0es
kai twra trizouve ta dovtia mas stous 50F!!! Dev eivai katastasn autn re...
Ta block 30 apo ta block 50 kai block 60 eivai eidn avaba0misews, cockpit
design, ravtar, avionics, electronic countermeasures k.t.l. Twra tis
leptomeries dev tis exw sugkratnmeves sto mualo mou alla mporeis va tis
breis apo to Jane's review.
Tseligkas
-----Original Message-----
Peter Petropoulos
> 22 Kelsiou shmera..... lilios, sortsaki, kafedaki, kai psarema sta
> katagalana nera tou korinthiakou.....
MPRABO SIMITH MPRABO KLINTON
Petros