Mnhmh (oxi istoria)

George Xomeritakis

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> On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, George Xomeritakis wrote:
>
> Giati ftaiei h fush tous...??? Den einai gonidiako to problhma, alla
> etsi mas boleuei...

Einai 0ema istorias, koultouras kai 0rhskeias tou laou autou. Sygkrine
diaforetikes ratses h e0nh kai 0a deis polles diafores ston politismo
tous kai sta xarakthristika tous.

>
> > ths ex0ras twn dyo koinothtwn einai h diafora sthn e3eli3h tous.
> > Anti0eta, ellhnikes meionothtes se tourkiko edafos panta prokobane
> > alla ekei epefte xatzara apo tous tourkous.
> >
> Isws kai na proodeuane apo anagkh gia na epizhsoune... Kai i Toukroi 0a
> proodeuane an morfwnontaousan kai den tous kratousan sto skotadi gia na
> moproun na tous elegxoun...

Re Shfaka, mhpws ftaime emeis pou den proodeusane kai de morfw0hkane?
Emeis ftaime pou den exoun dhmokratia sth xwra tous? Emeis ftaime pou
twra pairnoun to dromo tou Islam? Kai mh mou peis twra oti o logos einai
pou tous mplokarame th telwneiakh syndesh :-)

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* George Xomeritakis *
* Department of Chemical Engineering, University of Cincinnati *
* email : gxom...@alpha.che.uc.edu *
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George Xomeritakis

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>
> Paraponietai o Giwrgos Xomeritakhs:
>
>
> > Mh paizeis me tis le3eis. Oi an0rwpoi exoun allh koultoura kai 0rhskeia
>
> Oi lejeis einai poly shmantikes. Opws kai oi proueseis.
>
> > kai auto tous kanei kai menoun pisw koinwnika. An 0elane na eixane
> > enswmatw0ei sthn ellhnikh koinwnia 0a to' kanan. Blepe antistoixia me
>
> Alhueia; Pws; H "Ellhnikh koinwnia" ti exei na pei ep'aytoy; H
> stash ths mexri shmera ti deixnei;
>
> Lewnidas
>
Toulaxiston xilies fores kalyterh apo thn antistoixh tourkikh
metaxeirish ths ellhnikhs meionothtas sthn Tourkia.

--

Leo J. Irakliotis

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Grafei o Giwrgos Xomeritakhs:

> Toulaxiston xilies fores kalyterh apo thn antistoixh tourkikh
> metaxeirish ths ellhnikhs meionothtas sthn Tourkia.

Ma *TOSH* ypokrisia!

Dhladh fernoyme toys eaytoys mas sto idio epipedo me thn Toyrkia;

H Toyrkia apotelei to metro sygkrishs gia thn stash mas apenanti
stis meionothtes; H Toyrkia;

Xauhke oloklhrh Eyrwph;

Lewnidas

Leo J. Irakliotis

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Grafei afypnismenos o Pambos:

>Kala malakas eisai?
>Dhladh, asxeto twra to ti egine me ekkliseis ke malakies, dikeologas tous
>Tourkous dolofonous?
>Mpes re pedi mou mesa se kanena homepage na deis kamia fotwgrafia. Kala
>re den exeis tipota to Elliniko mesa sou?

Thn diafora metajy fysikoy kai huikoy aytoyrgoy thn gnwrizeis;

L

PAMBOS

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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Angelos Lazoudis wrote:

> (gia ton lewnida)
>
> Elpizw to munhma auto na mhn to esteiles me aformh ta gegonota sthn
> kupro...dioti tote einai entelws ASXETO !!!
> Twra an prospa8eis na mas peis pws sthn ellada uparxoun kthnh 9omoia
> m'auta sthn tourkia, nomizw pws pefteis arketa e3w....
> An skopos sou einai na mas peis (kai pali ASXETO me thn dolofonia twn 2
> paidiwn) pws h dikaiosunh leitourgei me 2 metra kai 2 sta8ma,den
> xrreiazotane na pas toso makria (apo colorado sthn Ellada kai apo to'96
> sto '91) ....L.A '95-'96 : upo8esh O.J (sthn xwra ths eleu8erias!)...
> twra an katalaba kala sugrineis ellada kai Tourkia...
> Egw 2 pragmata exw na sou pw:
> 1. Emeis eimaste toso malakes pou eimai sigouros pws an phgaine kapoios
> Tourkos na katebasei thn shmaia mas 8a ton sullambaname kai den 8a tou
> rixname sto yaxno !

MPRAVO, gia des Imia gia paradeigma.

> 2. Afou ola ta kthnh einai pantou ta idia as kanoume ena peirama:
> Egw 8a katebw sthn kentrikh plateia ths A8hnas (omonoia) me panw pou 8a
> grafei "gamietai o Shmiths kai o sosialismos" kai 8a fwnazw gia kanena
> triwro to sun8hma auto kai esu 8a pas sthn Kwnstantinoupolh me panw
> pou na grafei "gamietai o ermpakan kai o islamismos " kai 8a to fwnazeis
> (sou dinw kai abantzo) gia 2 wres...
> Ante pallikari mou kai oi epizwntes meta gia ouzaki sthn Thessalonikh...
> Pali monos mou 8a ta piw.....
>
> Angelos 'apxangelos'
>

Swsto.

Kala re Lewnida, akomh den katalaba, erxesai twra autes tis wres pou
pernaei o Ellinismos ths Kuprou tetoia krish, meta tis dolofonies twn duo
pediwn na mou uposthrizeis tous Tourkous?
An ginei re pedi mou, otidhpote ekei panw; Ksanthi, Komothnh, apo tous
Tourkous, autoi pou uposthrizeis na eisai sigouros oti tha einai to
progefuroma pros tous adelfous tous tous mememhdes.

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Grafei o Giwrgos Xomeritakhs:

> Lewnida mia epishmansh: tourkikh meionothta einai poly dyskolo na
> proodeusei anamesa se ellhnes, dioti oi Tourkoi einai ek ths

Exeis apolyto dikio. Oso toys blepoyme ws "toyrkikh meionothta"
kai oxi ws Ellhnes moysoylmanoys, etsi ua 'nai. Allwste kai h
Toyrkia toys uelei na einai "toyrkikh meionothta" gia na 'xei to
podi ths sth Urakh.

Lewnidas

George Xomeritakis

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Leo Irakliotis:
>
> H mama-patrida toys zarkadi moy ua eprepe na einai h Ellada. Den ua
> eprepe oi anurwpoi aytoi apo anagkh na strefontai sto Toyrkiko
> Projeneio ths Komothnhs kai sthn Toyrkia. Ua eprepe mexri shmera
> na eixan enswmatwuei plhrws sthn Ellhnikh koinwnia kai na mhn
> dinan dekara gia thn Toyrkia.
>
> To kataferame omws ki ayto: na kanoyme aytoys toys anurwpoys
> na blepoyn thn Toyrkia (me ta xalia ths) ws th sanida swthrias,
> anti na toys afhsoyme na prokocoyn kai na eyhmerhsoyn sthn
> Ellada.
>
>
> Lewnidas

>
Lewnida mia epishmansh: tourkikh meionothta einai poly dyskolo na
proodeusei anamesa se ellhnes, dioti oi Tourkoi einai ek ths

fyshs tous mh proodeutikoi kai stasimoi. Kai h basikh aitia auths

ths ex0ras twn dyo koinothtwn einai h diafora sthn e3eli3h tous.
Anti0eta, ellhnikes meionothtes se tourkiko edafos panta prokobane
alla ekei epefte xatzara apo tous tourkous.

--

Leo J. Irakliotis

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Rwtaei h Aggelikh:

>Dev mou les esu pou ta 3ereis ola afou Briskesai olo tov kairo ekei pera pws
>ta prolabes kai ta ema0es ola?

To oti briskomai ektos Ellados den shmainei pws den noiazomai
kai pws enhmerwnomai. Ligo xazh h erwthsh, de nomizeis;

>Eivai kai paraeivai e3upve. Otav oi BrwmoMousoulmavoi kleivouv kevtriko dromo
>tns 3av0ns giati etsi tous kaulwse 0a tous afnsoume etsi pisteueis? H prepei
>va kavouv oti 0elouv?

An einai kai paraeinai astropeleki moy, tote na eisai bebaih pws
yparxoyn polloi Toyrkokyprioi oi opoioi uewroyn dikaioys toys
jylodarmoys sthn prasinh grammh.

>Eixa mousoulmavosu summa0ntes kai kavevas apo autous dev diabaze kai dev n3ere
>oute va milnsei kala kala. giati dnladn se autous kavouv eukolies gia va

Ma kala, oloi toys jyla apelekhta einai; Oloi toys;

>spoudasouv stnv mama patrida pou kata tnv gvwmn mou eprepe va tous

H mama-patrida toys zarkadi moy ua eprepe na einai h Ellada. Den ua
eprepe oi anurwpoi aytoi apo anagkh na strefontai sto Toyrkiko
Projeneio ths Komothnhs kai sthn Toyrkia. Ua eprepe mexri shmera
na eixan enswmatwuei plhrws sthn Ellhnikh koinwnia kai na mhn
dinan dekara gia thn Toyrkia.

To kataferame omws ki ayto: na kanoyme aytoys toys anurwpoys
na blepoyn thn Toyrkia (me ta xalia ths) ws th sanida swthrias,
anti na toys afhsoyme na prokocoyn kai na eyhmerhsoyn sthn
Ellada.

>Isw va mnv 0elw va ta diabasw giati dev goustarw to mualoudaki mou kai ta
>matakia mou va avoi3ouv giati 0a givouv sav ta dika sou kai dev mou aresouv

Ayto einai bebaio.

>mevw oti ki av prepei va kavw. Otav n katastasn eivai tetamevn tote dev
>mporeis-av eivai aln0eia beBaia ta osa les va sumperiferesai me gavti stous
>Tourkous.

Alla na krineis me dyo metra kai dyo stauma asteri moy mporeis etsi;

>Autoi pou skotwsav tov Tasso Isaak ntav apo to Paralimvi kai

Aytoi poy skotwsan ton T.I. sa.i.ni moy htan oi uermokefaloi poy
para tis ekklhseis ths Ellhnikhs kai Kypriakhs kybernhshs
kabalhsan tis mhxanes toys kai phgan na kanoyn to kommati toys
sthn prasinh grammh. Les kai o Klhridh den eixe alla problhmata
sto kefali.

An huelan na poylhsoyn tsampoyka oi mhxanobioi, na pairnan tis
mhxanes toys kai na phgainan sth Sifno opoy parauerizei h
Ellhnikh Kybernhsh kai na zhtoysan apotelesmatikoterh, staueroterh,
pio ajiopisth, kai kalyterh ejwterikh politikh.

Me Kawasaki, Tenere, papakia kai motopodhlata ejwterikh politikh
den ginetai.

Lewnidas

Joseph Kostakis

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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Angelos Lazoudis wrote:

> (gia ton lewnida)
>
> Elpizw to munhma auto na mhn to esteiles me aformh ta gegonota sthn
> kupro...dioti tote einai entelws ASXETO !!!
> Twra an prospa8eis na mas peis pws sthn ellada uparxoun kthnh 9omoia
> m'auta sthn tourkia, nomizw pws pefteis arketa e3w....

Profanws den epiases to pneuma tou... Me liga logia leei oti kai sthn
Ellada ginontai kthnodies. Mporei na mhn einai opws sthn Tourkia alla
sigoura uparxoun. Kai den mporoume na fwnazoume gia ta xalia twn allwn
otan sthn idia mas th xwra ginontai paromoia pragmata.

Kai prwth apo oles tis xwres h Amerikh einai h pio katapiestikh xwra.
Perusi molis to Mississipi ekane abolish to 13th amendment gia th
sklabia. Eidame Rodney King, kai akoume ta antera mas stis eidhseis kai
blepoume se taineies pou exei ginei ka0hmerinothta kai de mas enoxlei.

> An skopos sou einai na mas peis (kai pali ASXETO me thn dolofonia twn 2
> paidiwn) pws h dikaiosunh leitourgei me 2 metra kai 2 sta8ma,den

Ontws leitourgei me duo etra kai sta0ma (toulaxiston 2)...

> xrreiazotane na pas toso makria (apo colorado sthn Ellada kai apo to'96
> sto '91) ....L.A '95-'96 : upo8esh O.J (sthn xwra ths eleu8erias!)...
> twra an katalaba kala sugrineis ellada kai Tourkia...
> Egw 2 pragmata exw na sou pw:
> 1. Emeis eimaste toso malakes pou eimai sigouros pws an phgaine kapoios
> Tourkos na katebasei thn shmaia mas 8a ton sullambaname kai den 8a tou
> rixname sto yaxno !

Oxi re den eimaste malakes ama to kaname auto. Auto einai anetwreothta
politismou kai koultouras kai auto einai pou prospa0oume na fwna3oume
ston kosmo... An eimaste ontws toso malakes, pros ti oi prosfuges se OHE
kai alles organwseis. Koroideuoume ton eauto mas.

> 2. Afou ola ta kthnh einai pantou ta idia as kanoume ena peirama:
> Egw 8a katebw sthn kentrikh plateia ths A8hnas (omonoia) me panw pou 8a
> grafei "gamietai o Shmiths kai o sosialismos" kai 8a fwnazw gia kanena
> triwro to sun8hma auto kai esu 8a pas sthn Kwnstantinoupolh me panw
> pou na grafei "gamietai o ermpakan kai o islamismos " kai 8a to fwnazeis
> (sou dinw kai abantzo) gia 2 wres...

Kai stis duo 0a se tsoubaliasoune. Sthn Ellada 0a se di3ei o Antenna kai
0a th glutwseis me mia sullhyoula, alla pali den mporeis na to kaneis.
0ewrhtika 0a mporouses... opws akribws kai sthn Tourkia alla den
mporeis. Sthn Ellada omws tolmas na to skefteis kai ama ta pieis kai
ligo isws to kaneis.

Kapou ekei egkutai h diafora meta3u Elladas kai Tourkias... Emeis
mporoume kai ta skeftomaste kai isws na ta kanoume. Oi Tourkoi oute na
to skeftontai den mporoun giati tremoun...

> Ante pallikari mou kai oi epizwntes meta gia ouzaki sthn Thessalonikh...
> Pali monos mou 8a ta piw.....
>

Pantws to oti ta gegonota einai memonomena kai spania einai ontws gnwsto
alla ma0ainoume piuo grhgora apo tou geitones mas na 3epername tis
e0nikistikes mas taseis kai na zoume pio aneta me tous allo0rhskous sthn
ellada.

Twra bebaia o Lewnidas me ola ta stoixeia pou pre0ese se mia periodo
pollwn etwn ta ekane na fanoun polu aparadekta ta pragmata. Ontws oles
autes oi stigmes einai alh0ines kai tragikes alla 0eloume na pisteoume
pws den epanalamanontai (toulaxiston me tetoio ru0mo, giati isws panta na
uparxoun)

> Angelos 'apxangelos'
>
Shfakas o meraklhs

ucesaba

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> 1991: Treis laurokynhgoi apo thn Januh gronuokopoyn alyphta
> dyo nearoys Ellhnes moysoylmanoys apo ton Exino, sto
> dasos panw apo thn Januh. Enas tritos moysoylmanos
> poy paei na bohuhsei ta gkarntasia soy gemizei skagia.
>
> Aimofyrtoi oi treis nearoi metaferontai sto Geniko
> Nosokomeio Januhs. O enas ypokyptei apo akatasxeth
> aimoragia. O allos xanei dyo daxtyla. O tritos, poy
> efage ta skagia mpainei xeiroyrgeio opoy toy afairoyntai
> ta skagia dixws anaisuhsia. Thn allh mera toy afairoyn
> kai to deji mati. (Oi hlikies: 16,17,17).
>
> Oi Astynomikes arxes den exoyn stoixeia na syllaboyn
> toys drastes (para to oti enas apo toys traymaties
> exei krathsei ton ariumo kykloforias toy aytokinhtoy
> twn drastwn).
>
> Symperasma; Kthnh yparxoyn pantoy. Ta dika mas kthnh
> omws einai kala!

Av ntav stnv Tourkia oute peri0alyn 0a eixav.....

Na pros0esw kai kati edw pera afou eimai apo tnv 3av0n kai ofeilw
prosBeBlnmevn. 1ov. Pote dev akousa to peristatiko exw akousei gia allous
3ulodarmous kai polu ma polu dikaious pou tous epikrotw kiolas.
2ov. Diakriseis dev exw dei va givovtai ekei pavw.
3ov. O Faikoglou xtizei au0aireta se mern pou dev tou avnkouv kai kaveis dev
leei oxi.
4ov. Av givei epeisodio me Tourko kai pas sto dikastnrio pio pi0avov eivai o
Tourkos va Bgei a0wos.
5ov.Kayave Ellnvikn snmaia ki avti va tous kayouv ki autous mazi dve kavave
kai tipota to spoudaio plnrwsav kai Bgnkav. Meta to parapavw se evoxlei?
6ov. Otav kaigave Ellnvika magazia stnv Komotnvn oi kai tou logou sou ti
kavave e? Fwvazave mpraBo stous Tourkous pou exouv to 0arros va ta pouve e3w
apo ta dovtia?
7ov. giati polloi dev milave kav kala Ellnvika evw stnv Tourkia sig amnv mpeis
se magazi kai perimeveis va milave Ellnvika tnv poutsnses!

Sumperasma: Makari va upnrxav kai alloi la0rokuvngoi giati oloi oi
Mousoulmavoi tnv 0rakns eivai me opla giati oi nli0ioi oi dikoi mas tous
avavewsav tis adeies oplwv! Av givei eva vtou se poiavou to spiti 0a mpouve
mou les? Oloi tous exouv opla kai avapasa stigmn Bon0ave ta aderfia tous tns
Tourkias am ti vomizes? H eseva 0a lupn0ouve?

> 1993: Dikastikes fylakes Komothnhs. Brisketai kremasmenos
> sto keli toy 22xronos Ellhnas moysoylmanos apo thn
> Januh, kathgoroymenos gia katoxh kai xrhsh xasis.
> O iatrodikasths gnwmateyei pws o kratoymenos htan
> nekros prin kan "aytoktonhsei". Sto kormi toy ferei
> molwpes, gdarsimata kai dyo maxairies. O iatrodikasths
> sthn ekuesh toy leei pws o kratoymenos "aytoktonhse"
> 2 wres meta ton fysiko toy uanato. Me dyo logia h
> aytoktonia htan sthmenh gia na kalyfuei to basanisthrio.
> O Eisaggeleas kleinei thn ypouesh kai thn bazei sto
> arxeio.
>
> Symperasma; An den se lene Marino, ontws aytoktonhses.
>
> H istoria panw ap'ola ejyphretei thn ypokrisia mas. H mnhmh oxi.
>
> Lewnidas
>

--
Gluko vero stnv kolasn 0a pioume edw mazi sou emeis pou megalwsame me tnv
avapvon sou......
Movo va se dw va servesai sav to skoulnki ki as pe0avw meta..

Joseph Kostakis

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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Leo J. Irakliotis wrote:

trabontas to skoini kai tentonontas to (ma ti liberal arta education
exeis re fousth)
> Rwtaei h Aggelikh:
(h opoia den exei paei se liberal arts school h den eixan ekei kati
seminars gia freshman pou sou anoigoun ta matia..)

>
> >Dev mou les esu pou ta 3ereis ola afou Briskesai olo tov kairo ekei pera pws
> >ta prolabes kai ta ema0es ola?
>
> To oti briskomai ektos Ellados den shmainei pws den noiazomai
> kai pws enhmerwnomai. Ligo xazh h erwthsh, de nomizeis;
>
> >Eivai kai paraeivai e3upve. Otav oi BrwmoMousoulmavoi kleivouv kevtriko dromo
> >tns 3av0ns giati etsi tous kaulwse 0a tous afnsoume etsi pisteueis? H prepei
> >va kavouv oti 0elouv?
>
> An einai kai paraeinai astropeleki moy, tote na eisai bebaih pws

------------
Ontws h logikh sou Aggelikh 0umizei th Renia apo tous aparadektous...

> yparxoyn polloi Toyrkokyprioi oi opoioi uewroyn dikaioys toys
> jylodarmoys sthn prasinh grammh.
>
> >Eixa mousoulmavosu summa0ntes kai kavevas apo autous dev diabaze kai dev
n3ere
> >oute va milnsei kala kala. giati dnladn se autous kavouv eukolies gia va
>
> Ma kala, oloi toys jyla apelekhta einai; Oloi toys;
>

Duskolo na to pisteyeis;;; Ki omws me ti kinhtro na ginoun ma0htares
re... Me tous goneis tous pou den pisteuoun sth ma0hsh kai efoson ama
0eloun ptuxeio mporoun na pane na to paroun sthn Tourkia xwris
Panelladikes kai alles duskolies...

Makes sense, doesn't it????

> >spoudasouv stnv mama patrida pou kata tnv gvwmn mou eprepe va tous
>
> H mama-patrida toys zarkadi moy ua eprepe na einai h Ellada. Den ua
> eprepe oi anurwpoi aytoi apo anagkh na strefontai sto Toyrkiko

Kai ontws polloi niw0oun thn ellada ws patrida tous giati exoun kataferei
na 3efugoun apo thn teratwdh plhsh egkefalou pou ginetai apo goneis kai
egka0etous.

> Projeneio ths Komothnhs kai sthn Toyrkia. Ua eprepe mexri shmera
> na eixan enswmatwuei plhrws sthn Ellhnikh koinwnia kai na mhn
> dinan dekara gia thn Toyrkia.
>

Les kai den prospa0ei na epiteux0ei auto. Alla giati 0a eprepe na eixe
hdh ginei;;;

> To kataferame omws ki ayto: na kanoyme aytoys toys anurwpoys
> na blepoyn thn Toyrkia (me ta xalia ths) ws th sanida swthrias,
> anti na toys afhsoyme na prokocoyn kai na eyhmerhsoyn sthn
> Ellada.
>

Siga re... Mar0a Bourtsh to ekanes... O Sadik dhladh den einai
prokommenos h den uparxoun an0rwpoi pou exoun 3efugei apo th miseria kai
thn a0liothta;;; Kai douleies uparxoun kai euhmeria ston topo. Apla oi
an0rwpoi einai amorfwtoi kai antimetwpizontai me kapoia kaxupoyia... kai
fobo. Giati uparxoun kati astropelekia pou skeftontai me ton kwlo...

> >Isw va mnv 0elw va ta diabasw giati dev goustarw to mualoudaki mou kai ta
> >matakia mou va avoi3ouv giati 0a givouv sav ta dika sou kai dev mou aresouv
>
> Ayto einai bebaio.
>
> >mevw oti ki av prepei va kavw. Otav n katastasn eivai tetamevn tote dev
> >mporeis-av eivai aln0eia beBaia ta osa les va sumperiferesai me gavti stous
> >Tourkous.
>
> Alla na krineis me dyo metra kai dyo stauma asteri moy mporeis etsi;
>
> >Autoi pou skotwsav tov Tasso Isaak ntav apo to Paralimvi kai
>
> Aytoi poy skotwsan ton T.I. sa.i.ni moy htan oi uermokefaloi poy
> para tis ekklhseis ths Ellhnikhs kai Kypriakhs kybernhshs
> kabalhsan tis mhxanes toys kai phgan na kanoyn to kommati toys
> sthn prasinh grammh. Les kai o Klhridh den eixe alla problhmata
> sto kefali.
>

Tsimpa ena twra kai masa to kala... Einai isws h monh stigmh ta
teleutaia xronia pou to Kupriako w0ei pros kapoia kateu0unsh kai malista
katopin laikhs prwtoboulias pou aparnh0hke h kubernhsh...
Ti exei kataferi mexri twra h kupriakh kubernhsh (isws kati to opoio den
to exw ma0ei h apla to 0ewrw ws kekthmeno...???)

> An huelan na poylhsoyn tsampoyka oi mhxanobioi, na pairnan tis
> mhxanes toys kai na phgainan sth Sifno opoy parauerizei h
> Ellhnikh Kybernhsh kai na zhtoysan apotelesmatikoterh, staueroterh,
> pio ajiopisth, kai kalyterh ejwterikh politikh.
>

Mallon sou xreiazontai diakopes sth Sifno...

> Me Kawasaki, Tenere, papakia kai motopodhlata ejwterikh politikh
> den ginetai.
>

Ela omws pou ta fianomena deixnoun alla pragmata...

> Lewnidas
>
Shfakas meraklhs

Angelos Lazoudis

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> Opws eipa: h istoria uwpeyei thn ypokrisia mas. Kai opws emaua
> prin apo ligo, h istoria peiuarxei th mnhmh mas.
>
> H oysia einai pws kai meis kanoyme ta idia. Ek twn ysterwn ta
> dikaiologoyme -- opws kaneis esy -- gia na narkwsoyme thn
> syneidhsh mas.

TA IDIA? Eklhsomai...

> Na pas sto GEEUA kai na rwthseis poy stelnoyn toys moysoylmanoys
> na yphrethsoyn strato.

Oute koubenta gia to pou uphretoun oi kourdoi...ap'oti 3erw se
mpountroumia kai upogeia...

> Na pas sth Uessalonikh, apenanti apo to Karaban Sarai, sthn Egnatia
> kai na rwthseis ton Xatzh poy exei to zaxaroplasteio me ta politika
> glyka na soy pei poses fores to mhna toy erxetai h agoranomia,
> to ygeionomiko kai o astyiatros. Kai meta na pas kai sta patsatsidika
> ston Bardarh na rwthseis to idio.

Na pas sthn Imbro kai thnTenedo kai na rwthseis ti ginetai ka8e fora pou
kapoios Ellhnas dinei sunenteu3h se ellhniko kanali anaferomenoos sta
problhmata tou...

kai afou anafer8hkes se mnhmh kai oxi istoria...pes mas gia thn
gennoktonia twn armeniwn...gia auth twn PONTIWN...gia ton afanismo twn
Ellhnwn ths Imbrou , tenedou kai ths Kwnstantinoupolhs...kai meta an
8eleis suzhtame kai ton "afanismo twn mousoulmanwn ths 8rakhs"
(pou sunexws au3anontai kai plu8hnontai)....

Parola auta den 8elw na pw pws emeis den sumperiferomaste ratsistika
(sto katw-katw dei3e mou kai mia xwra -plhn ths Tonga-pou den exei
kapoias morfhs ratsismo!)...alla mhn kanoume kai sugriseis...

Egw pantws pote den akousa ellhnas dhmosiografos na peftei apo karekla
thn wra pou tou kanan mia erwthsh kai na skotwnetai!!!
ti erwthsh htan auth bre paidi mou...kai pou htan h karekla?

Angelos 'apxangelos"

George Xomeritakis

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>
> Grafei o Giwrgos Xomeritakhs:

>
> > Lewnida mia epishmansh: tourkikh meionothta einai poly dyskolo na
> > proodeusei anamesa se ellhnes, dioti oi Tourkoi einai ek ths
>

Mh paizeis me tis le3eis. Oi an0rwpoi exoun allh koultoura kai 0rhskeia

kai auto tous kanei kai menoun pisw koinwnika. An 0elane na eixane
enswmatw0ei sthn ellhnikh koinwnia 0a to' kanan. Blepe antistoixia me

tous maurous ths US, pou edw bebaia egw tous dikaiologw giati tous
eixan gia sklabous, enw oi Tourkoi ka0wsantan sto sberko mas 400 xronia.

PAMBOS

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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Leo J. Irakliotis wrote:

>
> Aytoi poy skotwsan ton T.I. sa.i.ni moy htan oi uermokefaloi poy
> para tis ekklhseis ths Ellhnikhs kai Kypriakhs kybernhshs
> kabalhsan tis mhxanes toys kai phgan na kanoyn to kommati toys
> sthn prasinh grammh. Les kai o Klhridh den eixe alla problhmata
> sto kefali.
>

Kala malakas eisai?

Dhladh, asxeto twra to ti egine me ekkliseis ke malakies, dikeologas tous
Tourkous dolofonous?
Mpes re pedi mou mesa se kanena homepage na deis kamia fotwgrafia. Kala
re den exeis tipota to Elliniko mesa sou?

Ti na sou pw re?

Ksupna .......

> An huelan na poylhsoyn tsampoyka oi mhxanobioi, na pairnan tis
> mhxanes toys kai na phgainan sth Sifno opoy parauerizei h
> Ellhnikh Kybernhsh kai na zhtoysan apotelesmatikoterh, staueroterh,
> pio ajiopisth, kai kalyterh ejwterikh politikh.
>

> Me Kawasaki, Tenere, papakia kai motopodhlata ejwterikh politikh
> den ginetai.
>

Exei o kathenas agori mou to kathe dikewma na kanei antikatoxikh
diadhlwsh mesa ston IDIO TOU TON TOPO.
Akous re, ston idio tou ton topo reeeeeeeeeeeeeeee,
ston topo pou gennithike reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee,

Kalutera na papseis na diadhlwneis ta anthellinika sou aisthhmata, h
akomh kalutera ta anthellino-kupriaka sou.

Ke mathe kati: O Ellinismos tha xathei otan xathoun ta akritika Ellinika
merh, pou an den ksereis poia einai, einai auta ta opoias
kathgoras filaraki.

> Lewnidas

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Dev mou les esu pou ta 3ereis ola afou Briskesai olo tov kairo ekei pera pws
ta prolabes kai ta ema0es ola?

Se ola dev 3erw tnv apavtnsn opws esu alla se auta pou 3erw 0a sou apavtnsw.

> >Na pros0esw kai kati edw pera afou eimai apo tnv 3av0n kai ofeilw
> >prosBeBlnmevn. 1ov. Pote dev akousa to peristatiko exw akousei gia allous
> >3ulodarmous kai polu ma polu dikaious pou tous epikrotw kiolas.
>

> Kanenas jylodarmos den einai dikaios.

Eivai kai paraeivai e3upve. Otav oi BrwmoMousoulmavoi kleivouv kevtriko dromo
tns 3av0ns giati etsi tous kaulwse 0a tous afnsoume etsi pisteueis? H prepei
va kavouv oti 0elouv?

> Paw stoixhma pws den exeis akoysei oyte posa arura exei to
> Ellhniko Syntagma (mporeis na to breis kai on-line shmera)
> alla ayto den shmainei pws den yparxei.

Koita kapote vai twra oute pou 0umamai alla auto dev snmaivei tipota gia meva.
Ti xrnsn exei allwste to Suvtagma edw pou ftasame? Mnpws tnreitai tipota n
prepei va perimevw ta dikastnria va apoveimouv dikaiosuvn?

> - ANTI, 12 Noembrioy 1991.
> - Deltio toy Ellhnikoy Pararthmatos ths Dieunoys Amnhstias,
> Fyllo Dekembrioy 1991.
> - Efhmerida "Prwinh", Fyllo 6hs Noembrioy 1991, Kabala.

>
> H oysia einai pws kai meis kanoyme ta idia. Ek twn ysterwn ta
> dikaiologoyme -- opws kaneis esy -- gia na narkwsoyme thn
> syneidhsh mas.
>

> >2ov. Diakriseis dev exw dei va givovtai ekei pavw.
>

> Na pas mia bolta sthn Komothnh kai na episkeyteis thn Kalkantza.
>
> Na pas mia bolta ena prwi sthn poleodomia ths polhs soy kai na
> rwthseis poso kairo pairnei na bgaleis mia oikodomikh adeia
> gia diorofh monokatoikia. Kai meta na anoijeis ta koitapia kai
> na prospauhseis na katalabeis gia enas moysoylmanos perimenei
> to 4plasio diasthma gia thn idia adeia.

>
> Na pas sto GEEUA kai na rwthseis poy stelnoyn toys moysoylmanoys
> na yphrethsoyn strato.
>

> Na pas ston Exino kai na pareis thlefwno ton OTE kai na rwthseis
> poso kairo pairnei gia na soy baloyn thlefwno. Kai meta na pas
> stoys Tojotes kai na kaneis to idio pragma.

>
> Na pas sth Genikh Grammateia Aulhtismoy kai na toys rwthseis giati
> akomh kai shmera o syntopiths soy Noyrintin Mpoygioykloy den
> symperilambanetai stis Eunikes apostoles oreibasias.
>
> Na pas sto periastiko dasos ths Januhs kai na deis tis mpoylntozes
> ths Nomarxias na ekxwmatwnoyn ta moysoylmanika mnhmata (ta opoia
> to ELLHNIKO ypoyrgeio politismoy exei khryjei ws mnhmeio).
>

> Na pas ena bradi sthn Asfaleia sthn polh soy ('h sthn Komothnh) kai
> na deis apo prwto xeri thn prosagwgh twn "synhuwn ypoptwn".

>
> Na pas sth Uessalonikh, apenanti apo to Karaban Sarai, sthn Egnatia
> kai na rwthseis ton Xatzh poy exei to zaxaroplasteio me ta politika
> glyka na soy pei poses fores to mhna toy erxetai h agoranomia,
> to ygeionomiko kai o astyiatros. Kai meta na pas kai sta patsatsidika
> ston Bardarh na rwthseis to idio.
>

> Na pas sthn Prytaneia toy DPU kai na toys rwthseis posoi apo toys
> foithtes einai moysoylmanoi. Kai na pas kai sta ypoloipa
> panepisthmia mas na rwthseis to idio. Kai meta na rwthseis poy
> pane oloi oi moysoylmanoi na spoydasoyn. Kai giati;

Eixa mousoulmavosu summa0ntes kai kavevas apo autous dev diabaze kai dev n3ere
oute va milnsei kala kala. giati dnladn se autous kavouv eukolies gia va

perasouv ta ma0nmata? Autoi eivai kaluteroi apo emas? Na sou pw giati dev exei
mousoulmavous sto DPU. Giati dev eivai a3ioi va mpouv kai apeiroelaxistoi va
mnv pw kaveis tous dev 0a kataferve va petuxei tous Ba0mous pou prepei gia va
perasei sto pavepistnmio. Ara allou auta pou mas pasareis ke Doctor. Pave va

spoudasouv stnv mama patrida pou kata tnv gvwmn mou eprepe va tous

3aposteilouv se avtipoiva gia oti kavouv stous dikous mas ekei.

> Na diabaseis kamia epifyllida toy syntopith soy Kwsta Zoyrari
> mpas ki anoijoyn ta matakia soy kai to myaloydaki soy.

Isw va mnv 0elw va ta diabasw giati dev goustarw to mualoudaki mou kai ta
matakia mou va avoi3ouv giati 0a givouv sav ta dika sou kai dev mou aresouv

ka0olou. Kaveva Tourkiko skuli dev 0a diekdiknsei oute spi0amn tns gns pou

mevw oti ki av prepei va kavw. Otav n katastasn eivai tetamevn tote dev
mporeis-av eivai aln0eia beBaia ta osa les va sumperiferesai me gavti stous
Tourkous.

Autoi pou skotwsav tov Tasso Isaak ntav apo to Paralimvi kai

douleuav ekei me EllnvoKuprious. Partous kai sto spiti sou afou sou aresei
toso.
> Kai meta, kane kai kati allo: bgale kai tis parwpides.

Esu pou eBgales tis parwpides pngaive kai dwse kaveva filaki stov Tourkala gia
va tov sugxareis otav 0a sou mpngei tnv maxairia piswplata.Alla 0a tnv a3izeis
giati auto givetai otav paizeis me tnv fwtia. Ki esu pou dev exies parwpides
mnpws pisteueis kai auta pou elege n tsiler? Ta gegovota deixvouv mova tosu
kai egw eva pisteuw: SHOW NO MERCY!

Leo J. Irakliotis

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1991: Treis laurokynhgoi apo thn Januh gronuokopoyn alyphta
dyo nearoys Ellhnes moysoylmanoys apo ton Exino, sto
dasos panw apo thn Januh. Enas tritos moysoylmanos
poy paei na bohuhsei ta gkarntasia soy gemizei skagia.

Aimofyrtoi oi treis nearoi metaferontai sto Geniko
Nosokomeio Januhs. O enas ypokyptei apo akatasxeth
aimoragia. O allos xanei dyo daxtyla. O tritos, poy
efage ta skagia mpainei xeiroyrgeio opoy toy afairoyntai
ta skagia dixws anaisuhsia. Thn allh mera toy afairoyn
kai to deji mati. (Oi hlikies: 16,17,17).

Oi Astynomikes arxes den exoyn stoixeia na syllaboyn
toys drastes (para to oti enas apo toys traymaties
exei krathsei ton ariumo kykloforias toy aytokinhtoy
twn drastwn).

Symperasma; Kthnh yparxoyn pantoy. Ta dika mas kthnh
omws einai kala!

1993: Dikastikes fylakes Komothnhs. Brisketai kremasmenos

PAMBOS

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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Leo J. Irakliotis wrote:

> Grafei afypnismenos o Pambos:

>
> >Kala malakas eisai?
> >Dhladh, asxeto twra to ti egine me ekkliseis ke malakies, dikeologas tous
> >Tourkous dolofonous?
> >Mpes re pedi mou mesa se kanena homepage na deis kamia fotwgrafia. Kala
> >re den exeis tipota to Elliniko mesa sou?
>

> Thn diafora metajy fysikoy kai huikoy aytoyrgoy thn gnwrizeis;
>
> L

Esu pou eisai didaktor, phgenai na eksigiseis thn diafora sthn mana tou
Issak.
Pes ths oti oi Tourkikes katoxikes dunameis, ekanan to kathikon tous, ke
oi sugxorianoi sou ftene, pou sumperilambanei ke to gio sou ton makarith,
epeidh diadhlonate to ti niwthate gia thn adikia pou eoikratei ston topo
sas, gia thn katoxh ke ola auta.

Ke ksereis ke kati allo?
An pas ena taksidaki sthn Kupro, sthn Deruneia, sthn xwrismenh Leukwsia,
sta Lumpia, sthn prasinh grammh gennika, tote isws allakseis gnwmh
pallikari mou.

Den kserw an eisai akomh sto Colorado, alla an eisai perase kamia fora
apo CU-Denver, na sou dwsw apo to Hellenic Society edw katw leaflets na
diabaseis, ke fotografies dolofonhmenwn pediwn ke aoplon stratiwtwn sthn
prasinh grammh.

Pambos.

Leo J. Irakliotis

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Opws eipa: h istoria uwpeyei thn ypokrisia mas. Kai opws emaua
prin apo ligo, h istoria peiuarxei th mnhmh mas.

Leei loipon h Aggelikh:

>Na pros0esw kai kati edw pera afou eimai apo tnv 3av0n kai ofeilw
>prosBeBlnmevn. 1ov. Pote dev akousa to peristatiko exw akousei gia allous
>3ulodarmous kai polu ma polu dikaious pou tous epikrotw kiolas.

Kanenas jylodarmos den einai dikaios.

Paw stoixhma pws den exeis akoysei oyte posa arura exei to

Ellhniko Syntagma (mporeis na to breis kai on-line shmera)
alla ayto den shmainei pws den yparxei.

Gia to peristatiko loipon, se parapempw sta ejhs:

Na diabaseis kamia epifyllida toy syntopith soy Kwsta Zoyrari

mpas ki anoijoyn ta matakia soy kai to myaloydaki soy.

Kai meta, kane kai kati allo: bgale kai tis parwpides.

Lewnidas

Joseph Kostakis

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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, George Xomeritakis wrote:

> Leo Irakliotis:

> >
> > H mama-patrida toys zarkadi moy ua eprepe na einai h Ellada. Den ua
> > eprepe oi anurwpoi aytoi apo anagkh na strefontai sto Toyrkiko

> > Projeneio ths Komothnhs kai sthn Toyrkia. Ua eprepe mexri shmera
> > na eixan enswmatwuei plhrws sthn Ellhnikh koinwnia kai na mhn
> > dinan dekara gia thn Toyrkia.
> >

> > To kataferame omws ki ayto: na kanoyme aytoys toys anurwpoys
> > na blepoyn thn Toyrkia (me ta xalia ths) ws th sanida swthrias,
> > anti na toys afhsoyme na prokocoyn kai na eyhmerhsoyn sthn
> > Ellada.
> >
> >

> > Lewnidas

> >
> Lewnida mia epishmansh: tourkikh meionothta einai poly dyskolo na

giati Tourkikh meionothta kai oxi aplws Mousoulmanikh???

> proodeusei anamesa se ellhnes, dioti oi Tourkoi einai ek ths

> fyshs tous mh proodeutikoi kai stasimoi. Kai h basikh aitia auths

Giati ftaiei h fush tous...??? Den einai gonidiako to problhma, alla
etsi mas boleuei...

> ths ex0ras twn dyo koinothtwn einai h diafora sthn e3eli3h tous.

> Anti0eta, ellhnikes meionothtes se tourkiko edafos panta prokobane
> alla ekei epefte xatzara apo tous tourkous.
>

Isws kai na proodeuane apo anagkh gia na epizhsoune... Kai i Toukroi 0a
proodeuane an morfwnontaousan kai den tous kratousan sto skotadi gia na
moproun na tous elegxoun...

Shfakas o meraklhs

Ioannis Iliopoulos

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>

kala re lewnida oi armenioi,oi evraioi,oi enetoi den enswmatwthikan
stin elliniki koinwnia?i sygkrisi symperiforas toyrkwn se meionotites
me tin antistoixi symperifora twn ellinwn einai toylaxiston atyxis.
des pws symperiferontai oi germanoi stis meionotites poy sto katw
katw ofeiloyn ta panta se aytes!

yannis
erthe kai teson i seira
> Lewnidas
>

Bakis Yakinthos

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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, Leo J. Irakliotis wrote:

>
> Na pas sth Uessalonikh, apenanti apo to Karaban Sarai, sthn Egnatia
> kai na rwthseis ton Xatzh poy exei to zaxaroplasteio me ta politika
> glyka na soy pei poses fores to mhna toy erxetai h agoranomia,
> to ygeionomiko kai o astyiatros. Kai meta na pas kai sta patsatsidika
> ston Bardarh na rwthseis to idio.
>

> Lewnidas
>

Signomi alla edo nomizo oti kaneis lathos giati o kirios oxi mono Ellinas
einai alla kai xristianos orthodoxos ektos an auto pou se peirazei den
einai auto alla to oti poulaei glika apo tin Poli kai epeidi to onoma tou
fernei gia tourkiko ara einai tourkos.....s'auti tin periptosi tha prepei
kai esi na bgaleis tis paropides. Alitheia ton exeis dei pote? exeis
milisei mazi tou? kai den thelo na mou peis nai exo paei kai exo faei
ekei alla se rotao apo autous pou einai ekei kai douleuoun ksereis poios
einai o idioktitis?
Bakis

Leo J. Irakliotis

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Leei o Basilhs:

>Ki esy epimeneis na mhn katalabaineis oti h prospa8eia sou einai akairh.
>Giati briskomaste se stigmes pen8ous. Kai tetoies stigmes, h siwph einai
>xrysos.

Poioi briskontai se stigmes penuoys re Basilh;

H HELLAS poy anexthke to ybreologio toy Kwnstantinidh gia th
mana toy Akh;

H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh; Xtes akoyga to deltio eidhsewn kai htan
sa n' akoyga deltio dromologiwn apo to limani toy Peiraia:
Prwuypoyrgos-Sifnos, Yp.Amynas-Kefallonia, Yp.Ejwterikwn-Mykonos,
Proedros Dhmokratias-Paros, Yp.Eswterikwn-Patmos,...

O Ellhnikos laos; Poios penuei;

Afhnoyme thn oysia kai pianoyme to "timing"?

Den eimaste kala moy fainetai.

Lewnidas

Sophia Economides

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> -> H Toyrkia apotelei to metro sygkrishs gia thn stash mas apenanti
> -> stis meionothtes; H Toyrkia;
> ->
> -> Xauhke oloklhrh Eyrwph;
> -
> -Pws leme Germania
> -(ti tous kanoune ekei tous tourkous kale? -- kai mporei
> -na paroune kai kanan ellhna oi adespotes),
> -
> -'h kai Gallia
> -(pou exei ksekinhsei oloklhro pogkrom enantion twn ksenwn ergatwn --
> -mexri kai se ekklhsia mphke h gallikh astunomia proxtes na bgalei kati
> -afrikanous apergous peinas).
> -
> -Ase pou sth Gallia eidika kai gennhmenos kai megalwmenos
> -nasai ekei (apo arabes goneis), to kratos den s' anagnwrizei san Gallo
> -polith kai mporei na se klwtshsei opote goustarei... Ameeee...

Kai sumplnrwvw gia Agglia, tn xwra twv iswv eukairiwv:
Mia guvaika vekrn perusi kata tn "biaia prosagwgn" sto aerodromio
gia apelasn. Oi upeu0uvoi astuvomikoi fusika a0ww0nkav.
Duo-treis akoma vekroi apo perusi sta xeria tns astuvomias.
Htav mauroi kai dev metrave. Ta epeisodia sto Mpri3tov dev
ta 0umomaste giati givovtav tnv epoxn pou pavteuotav o Karolos
tn Ntaiava kai ntav deutern eidnsn (polunmeres sugkrouseis
katapiesmevwv meiovotntwv me tnv astuvomia). Avtistoixa episodeia
egivav priv duo xrovia sto Mpravtforvt, tn Bomban tou borra.
Kai kala autoi eivai tritokosmikoi, de metrave :-)
Priv ligous mnves to Eurwpaiko Dikastnrio epeballe stn Brettavikn
kubervnsn va plnrwsei apoznmiwsn stis oikogeveies twv 0umatwv twv
eidikwv duvamewv se epeisodio sto Gibraltar. H periptwsn: ta 0umata,
duo avtes kai mia guvaika, ntav apo tn B. Irlavdia (dnladoi polites
tou HB) kai parakolou0ouvtav apo tnv agglikn astuvomia kai tis
eidikes duvameis me adeia twv topikwv arxwv tou Gibraltar (upnrxav
upoyies oti kati etoimazav ekei). "Kata la0os" tous ka0arisav olous.
Dev bre0nkav pavw tous 'n sto ix tous evoxopointika stoixeia. Dev peirazei
mwre, ntav tromokrates. Ka0e mera givovtai epeisodia stn B. Irlavdia,
ka0e toso ki apo evas palabos ka0arizei merikous. Ama eivai ka0olikos
o palabos to ma0aivoume, ama eivai protestavtns pervaei sta yila giati
profavws e3upnretei kapoious. Ki oxi movo stnv Irlavdia, kai stn boreia
Bretavia oloklnrn exoume tis "ka0olikes podosfairikes omades" kai ta
"ka0olika mpar". Etsi, kai s'avwtera!

Stn Gallia o ma0ntries me feretze apoballovtai apo to sxoleio.
Stn Gallia eixe givei mikro-0ema n xrnmatodotisn apo to dnmo tou
Parisiou ebraikou sxoleiou.

Stnv Italia tous Albavous tous eixav mavtrwsei s'eva gnpedo kai tous
petousav trofima me elikoptera, alla 3exasa, autoi akolou0ouv tis
paradoseis twv progovwv tous pou tous aresav ta barbara 0eamata :-)

Stnv Ispavia priv merik xrovia arxise va leitourgei n prwtn
suvagwgn tns xwras apo tnv epoxn tou Ferdivavdou kai tns Isabellas.
Akouse ta e3 ama3ns o Xouav Karlos pou summeteixe sta egkaivia;
Yparxouv mnpws Ispavoi pou perifaveuovtai oti dev uparxouv
ebraioi stn xwra tous giati tous exouv diw3ei olous;

Mnpws ovtws prepei va exoume ws protupo tis Eurwpaikes xwres;

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Leo J. Irakliotis

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Leei h Lhda:

>Akou, Lewnida, oti fwnazei h maza sunh8ws einai rizwmeno ba8ia mesa ths...mh
>mou peis
>oti oi notioelladites de 8ewroun tous boreioelladites elafrws katwterous,
>giati 8a kra3w.............

Lhda den eipa pote pws oi Ellhnes den einai ratsistes (kai den
xreiasthke -- se antiuesh me sena --- na bgw sto ejwteriko gia
na to diapistwsw). Pagia uesh moy tosa xronia kai mesa sthn
HELLAS einai gia ton ratsismo poy mas xarakthrizei ws fylh.
Kaue eidoys ratsismo: koinwniko, fyletiko, ktl.

Oi Ebraioi aplws einai mia ejairesh. Edesan sthn Ellada.
Kai den exoyn ajiwseis eis baros toy Ellhnikoy Kratoys oyte
kai diekdikoyn tipota -- ayth einai toylaxiston h epishmh
uesh toys.

Sthn katoxh, jylwsane oi arxes ths Uessalonikhs ta ebre.i.ka
mnhmata kai ta kanan plakakia gia pezodromia. Alla ayto egine
ypo ton Germaniko zygo kai safws den antanakla thn stash
ths eleyuerhs Elladas.

Lewnidas

ucesaba

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> Aytoi poy skotwsan ton T.I. sa.i.ni moy htan oi uermokefaloi poy
> para tis ekklhseis ths Ellhnikhs kai Kypriakhs kybernhshs
> kabalhsan tis mhxanes toys kai phgan na kanoyn to kommati toys
> sthn prasinh grammh. Les kai o Klhridh den eixe alla problhmata
> sto kefali.
>

> An huelan na poylhsoyn tsampoyka oi mhxanobioi, na pairnan tis
> mhxanes toys kai na phgainan sth Sifno opoy parauerizei h
> Ellhnikh Kybernhsh kai na zhtoysan apotelesmatikoterh, staueroterh,
> pio ajiopisth, kai kalyterh ejwterikh politikh.
>
> Me Kawasaki, Tenere, papakia kai motopodhlata ejwterikh politikh
> den ginetai.

Edw apodeikvueis to megaleio tns malakias pou se dervei agoraki mou auto sou
lew movo. Gia tov 0avato tou Tassou ftaiei n Kupriakn kuBervnsn kai n
Ellnvikn. Eprepe va eixav paei 7000 mnxavoBioi ki oxi ekato memovwmeva. 0elw
va mpouv oi Tourkoi sto spiti sou va tosu peis ki euxaristw kai va eimai
paradipla va to dw. X0es stnv Tourkikn presBeia ape3w:
"Tasso Isaak eisai nrwas"
"Solomos Solomou we will fight for you"
"1, 2, 3 Fuck Turkey"
Esu pngaive va milnseis sta skulia afou pisteueis oti me tov dialogo Bgaivei
tipota afeln!
H kuBervnsn mas eivai kuBervnsn tns klavias kai tns poutsas ki auto
apodeix0nke sta Imia. Ta upoloipa eivai peritta.

Lida Anestidou

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Grafei o LEwnidas:

>Bre Lhda, kai h Doja Dramas otan epaize sthn Auhna (perasmena megaleia),
>boylgaroys mas anebokatebazan. Sta ghpeda krinetai twra h Ellada;

Akou, Lewnida, oti fwnazei h maza sunh8ws einai rizwmeno ba8ia mesa ths...mh
mou peis
oti oi notioelladites de 8ewroun tous boreioelladites elafrws katwterous,
giati 8a kra3w.............

>Memonwmena peristatika den stoixeiouetoyn antishmitismo sthn Ellada.

Memonwmena???

Kale, ti mas les?

Alla de se adikw..kai gw etsi skeftomoun mexri pou efuga apo thn Ellada makria
kai tote suneidhtopoihsa poso mataioponousa otan elega me kompasmo
stous 3enous ths Eurwphs kai stous Amerikanous tous prwtous mhnes tha paramonhs
mou edw pera pws h Ellada den exei ka9olou ratsismo...

E, merikous tous pairnei parapanw xrono na suneidhtopoih8oun....

Oh, well, life is not fair dearie..................

Lhda

to arxidiabolaki >:->

Lida Anestidou
UT Medical School at Houston
Dept of Integrative Biology
713-7925436

Vassilis Kostovassilis

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> Epimenei o Basilhs:
> >Oxi, apla se boh8aw sthn prospa8eia sou na mas diafwtiseis kai na
> >mas deikseis oti ki emeis den ysteroume.
> H prospaueia moy einai na uymhsw ayta poy eykola jexnoyme se
> stigmes eunikhs ysterias.

Ki esy epimeneis na mhn katalabaineis oti h prospa8eia sou einai akairh.
Giati briskomaste se stigmes pen8ous. Kai tetoies stigmes, h siwph einai
xrysos.

> Diafwneis; Nai 'h oxi;

Oxi, de diafwnw.

Vassilis

Lida Anestidou

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>Leei o Giannhs (Hliopoylos):

>
>
>>kala re lewnida oi armenioi,oi evraioi,oi enetoi den enswmatwthikan
>>stin elliniki koinwnia?

Kala, re Giannh, pou zouses esu prin pas Germania?
Sthn Madagaskarh?

Poioi Euraioi enswmatw8hkan?

3exnas ton e n t o n o t at o ellhniko antishmitismo?????

3exnas oles tis ekfraseis pou exoume ws e8nos, tupou: "tosh fasaria opws
purgos ths Babel",
"tsigkounhs ebraios" klp?????

Sobara ta les?

Oi Ellhnares eimaste gamw tous ratsistes laous kai diabazontas ola ta mails
edw mesa
pou grafthkan logw twn teleutaiwn gegonotwn fainetai, opws kai fainetai
oloka8ara
se opoion exei ligo mualo na skeftei poso apaisia feromaste stis
filippinezes, tous
albanous, tous rwsopontious, tous arabes, tous polwnous, tous xilious duo
3enous...

Grafei o Lewnidas:

>Na mhn sygkrinoyme pws metaxeirizomaste th moysoylmanikh meionothta
>me to pws metaxeirizontai oi Toyrkoi thn Ellhnikh. Alla me to pws
>metaxeirizontai thn Ellhnikh meionothta oi Germanoi ktl.

Na mh sugkrineis me tipote. Oi tourkoi ferontai opws ferontai logw 8rhskeias
pou tous
apoprosanatolizei ka8oti kai amorfwtoi kai agrammatoi oi kahmenoi kai de mporoun
na katalaboun th sofia tou Karolou pou elege pws h 8rhskeia einai to opio
tou laou.

Oi Germanoi, Galloi, Aggloi, Ellhnares kai loipoi eurwpaioi etairoi ferontai
opws ferontai
giati pisteyoun sthn anwterothta tous ...etsi...einai sta gonidia (oxi toso
akraia opws oi Nazi, alla
e3isou apoluta)h einai kekthmeno dikaiwma...

Afhste kata meros tis sugkriseis, kriseis, epikriseis, anakriseis kai malakies.

Ka8e fora pou ginetai mia "e8no..." tarakounhsh prepei na bgazoume
sumperasmata, ideologies,
a3iwmata, surtarakia, topo8ethseis klp?

Lida Anestidou

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Grafei o LEO:
>
>Lhda, kaneis lauos. Me ejairesh thn katoxikh kybernhsh ths
>Uessalonikhs, oi Ebraioi ths Elladas etyxan kalhs metaxeirishs
>kai ginan dektoi apo ton ntopio plhuysmo. H istoria ths
>Uessalonikhs einai potismenh apo to ebra.i.ko stoixeio.

La9os kaneis esu, agaphte mou...

H sbastika pou zwgrafisthke prin 3 xronia ston frakth tou spitiou enos filou mou
sto Bolo ti einai?

H mazw3h twn perissoterwn ebraiopoulwn se sugkekrimena sxoleia sthn A8hna
toulaxiston , apo ti
proerxetai?

Ekfraseis tupou: "ebraioi, re pousth mou, pws na mhn perasoun to ma8hma" pou
legontan
mprosta mou apo SASites giatrous sto Agia Sofia en wra e3etasewn Pa8ologias
ptuxeiou ti einai?

Otan olo to ghpedo mesa sto Pale fwnaze sth Makampi (kai hmoun mesa kai ta
akouga):
"Ebraioi gourounia, 9a ginete sapounia",otan epaize Arhs -Makampi, ti einai?

O ratsismos tou Ellhna einai toso megalos pou akoma kai otan apomakrynetai
apo ton topo tou
den to blepei....

Nomizeis oti h arxiratsistria xwra tou kosmou einai h OUZA?
Mpourdes.

Auth einai h pio poludiafhmismenh..

H Eurwph pairnei ta prwteia asuzhthti....kai to gegonos oti den to blepeis einai
apo mono tou ena stoixeio uper ths apopshs mou

Vassilis Kostovassilis

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Grafei o Leo:

> 1991: Treis laurokynhgoi apo thn Januh gronuokopoyn alyphta

> 1993: Dikastikes fylakes Komothnhs. Brisketai kremasmenos

> H istoria panw ap'ola ejyphretei thn ypokrisia mas. H mnhmh oxi.

klp

Ksexases na grapseis gia ton Kanarh pou to 1821 pyrpolhse thn
Tourkikh nayarxida...

Vassilis

Joseph Kostakis

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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Lida Anestidou wrote:

> >Leei o Giannhs (Hliopoylos):
> >
> >
> >>kala re lewnida oi armenioi,oi evraioi,oi enetoi den enswmatwthikan
> >>stin elliniki koinwnia?
>
> Kala, re Giannh, pou zouses esu prin pas Germania?
> Sthn Madagaskarh?
>
> Poioi Euraioi enswmatw8hkan?
>

0a sou exoun hdh apanthsei polloi se auto to 0ema. Kaneis megalo la0os,
dioti eimaste o monos laos pou boh0hse tous Ebraious, kai idiaitera h
0essalonikh sthn opoia ezhses kiolas tromara sou. Ki exei ki ekei
pollous Ellhnes me ebraikes rizes (oxi ebraious!!!)

> 3exnas ton e n t o n o t at o ellhniko antishmitismo?????
>

Poion...??? Kai tous maurous tous leme skularapes alla o araphs pou
kukloforei sthn Ellada zei kalutera kai niw0ei pio aneta apo ton araph
sthn Amerikh (pou einai PC).
To oti exoume ratsistikh glwssa de shmainei oti eimaste ratsistes..
Eimaste e0nikistes giati mas kanoun plhsh egkefalou sto dhmotiko kai sto
gumnasio.

> 3exnas oles tis ekfraseis pou exoume ws e8nos, tupou: "tosh fasaria opws
> purgos ths Babel",
> "tsigkounhs ebraios" klp?????
>

Nai kai polla alla ta opoia den ennooume. 0a htan kalutera na mhn ta
legame kai na pisteuame tetoies malakies...???

Mhn pefteis sthn pagida tou anaptugmenou kosmou pou bazei mia wraia
bitrina na kruyei thn askhmia ths. Einia upokrisia...

Mporei na mhn eimaste telioi alla eimaste kaluteroi. Exoume omws arketo
dromo mprosta mas...

> Sobara ta les?
>
> Oi Ellhnares eimaste gamw tous ratsistes laous kai diabazontas ola ta mails
> edw mesa
> pou grafthkan logw twn teleutaiwn gegonotwn fainetai, opws kai fainetai
> oloka8ara
> se opoion exei ligo mualo na skeftei poso apaisia feromaste stis
> filippinezes, tous
> albanous, tous rwsopontious, tous arabes, tous polwnous, tous xilious duo
> 3enous...
>

Siga re. Dhladh pernousan kalutera ekei pou htan... Giati hr0an sthn
katapiestikh Ellada kai oxi sth land of the free ( gia tous fillipinezous
einai pio konta nomizw).

Oi Ellhnes ma0ainoun na zoun me tous 3enous pio eukola...

Shfakas o meraklhs

Joseph Kostakis

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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Vassilis Kostovassilis wrote:

> > >To oti exoume ratsistikh glwssa de shmainei oti eimaste ratsistes..

> > mpa?
> > dhladh, exoume glwssa h opoia ekfrazei ratsistika ais8hmata ta opoia den
> > exoun antapokrish
> > sthn pragmatikh mas tautothta?
>
> Ayto ginetai. P.x. Pontioi. Anekdota gia Pontious ksereis?
>

Reading between the lines dike mou:-) (pare ena smiley... )

> > Gia tous albanous pou tous proslambanoun gia mia mpoukia pswmi na kanoun tis
> > douleies pou
> > oi Ellhnares apa3ioun (opws oi germanarades, agglomalakes, galloi,
> > amerikanares kai loioi mh tritokosmikoi) de 3ereis?
>
> Den yparxei ratsismos s'ayto to 8ema. Dhladh ama breis Ellhna pou 8a sou
> kanei mia douleia xwris IKA kai me liga lefta, de 8a ton protimhseis?
> Prosfora kai zhthsh einai.
>
Biologia spoudazei to koritsi....Gi auto kai h euais0hsia gia to IKA:-)

> > Gia tis filippinezes pou tous kratane ta diabathria kai oute IKA tous
> > plhrwnoun oute tipote den exeis akousei?
>
Auto einai xouligkanismos den einai ratsismos, dioti ginontai me th bia
kai to bourdoula, twra an einai 3enoi einai allo kapelo...

Shfakas o meraklhs

> Den exei sxesh oti einai Filippinezes. Aytoi pou ta kanoun ayta, kai
> se Ellhna ama mporousane na ta kanoune, 8a ta kanane.
>
> Vassilis
>

Leo J. Irakliotis

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Grafei o Kwstomplampla:

>Ksexases na grapseis gia ton Kanarh pou to 1821 pyrpolhse thn
>Tourkikh nayarxida...

Pali re megale phres thn boyrtsa gia poytsa; Pali;

Lewnidas

Lida Anestidou

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Grafei o Shfhs:

>0a sou exoun hdh apanthsei polloi se auto to 0ema. Kaneis megalo la0os,
>dioti eimaste o monos laos pou boh0hse tous Ebraious, kai idiaitera h
>0essalonikh sthn opoia ezhses kiolas tromara sou. Ki exei ki ekei
>pollous Ellhnes me ebraikes rizes (oxi ebraious!!!)

tromara mou, 3etromara mou, exw tosous pollous filous ellhnoebraious pou
mallon h plush
exei ginei anapoda...

koita na sou pw, an milhseis me ellhnoebraious de 8a sxhmatiseis ka8olou thn
entypwsh oti
h Elladara einai filoebrai.i.zousa...ka8olou malista..

>To oti exoume ratsistikh glwssa de shmainei oti eimaste ratsistes..

mpa?

dhladh, exoume glwssa h opoia ekfrazei ratsistika ais8hmata ta opoia den
exoun antapokrish
sthn pragmatikh mas tautothta?

Ti les paidi mou?

0a htan kalutera na mhn ta
>legame kai na pisteuame tetoies malakies...???

kai ta leme kai ta pisteyoume ...

>
>Mhn pefteis sthn pagida tou anaptugmenou kosmou pou bazei mia wraia
>bitrina na kruyei thn askhmia ths. Einia upokrisia...
>
>Mporei na mhn eimaste telioi alla eimaste kaluteroi. Exoume omws arketo
>dromo mprosta mas...

ela re Shfh, ma ti les twra?

Gia ola einai oi Ellhnares the best or the better...

Ypokrisia einai na mou les oti exoume ratsistikes ekfraseis alla den eimaste
ratsistes
Oti eimaste e8nikistes alla oxi ratsistes kai o e8nikismos mas ofeiletai se
plush
efkefalou pou ginetai sto dhmotiko..

Kai apo kei kai pera? oi eu8unes menoun panw sto daskalako, etsi?
Dhladh, mias kai to ema8es sto dhmotiko, apallasesai ths upoxrewshs an einai
la9os na to
dior8wseis, etsi?
Sto onoma tou "eimaste kaluteroi", etsi?

>
>Siga re. Dhladh pernousan kalutera ekei pou htan... Giati hr0an sthn
>katapiestikh Ellada kai oxi sth land of the free ( gia tous fillipinezous
>einai pio konta nomizw).

Gia tous albanous pou tous proslambanoun gia mia mpoukia pswmi na kanoun tis

douleies pou
oi Ellhnares apa3ioun (opws oi germanarades, agglomalakes, galloi,
amerikanares kai loioi
mh tritokosmikoi) de 3ereis?

Gia tis filippinezes pou tous kratane ta diabathria kai oute IKA tous

plhrwnoun oute tipote
den exeis akousei?

Ma apo allh xwra proerxomai egw re gamwti???

>
>Oi Ellhnes ma0ainoun na zoun me tous 3enous pio eukola...

na tous ekmetaleuontai pio eukola nai, bebaia...

Vassilis Kostovassilis

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> >To oti exoume ratsistikh glwssa de shmainei oti eimaste ratsistes..
> mpa?
> dhladh, exoume glwssa h opoia ekfrazei ratsistika ais8hmata ta opoia den
> exoun antapokrish
> sthn pragmatikh mas tautothta?

Ayto ginetai. P.x. Pontioi. Anekdota gia Pontious ksereis?

> Gia tous albanous pou tous proslambanoun gia mia mpoukia pswmi na kanoun tis

> douleies pou
> oi Ellhnares apa3ioun (opws oi germanarades, agglomalakes, galloi,
> amerikanares kai loioi mh tritokosmikoi) de 3ereis?

Den yparxei ratsismos s'ayto to 8ema. Dhladh ama breis Ellhna pou 8a sou

kanei mia douleia xwris IKA kai me liga lefta, de 8a ton protimhseis?
Prosfora kai zhthsh einai.

> Gia tis filippinezes pou tous kratane ta diabathria kai oute IKA tous

> plhrwnoun oute tipote den exeis akousei?

Den exei sxesh oti einai Filippinezes. Aytoi pou ta kanoun ayta, kai

Leo J. Irakliotis

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grafei o Giannhs (Hliopoylos):

>to thema den einai mono gia toys toyrkoys.i malakia einai oti kai oi
>pomakoi pigainoyn gia spoydes stin toyrkia.

Akribws! Kai meta gyrnane kai mas erxontai me myala foyskwmena apo
propaganda kai apo toyrkiko eunikismo.

Lewnidas

Ioannis Iliopoulos

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> Na pas sthn Prytaneia toy DPU kai na toys rwthseis posoi apo toys
> foithtes einai moysoylmanoi. Kai na pas kai sta ypoloipa
> panepisthmia mas na rwthseis to idio. Kai meta na rwthseis poy
> pane oloi oi moysoylmanoi na spoydasoyn. Kai giati;

to thema den einai mono gia toys toyrkoys.i malakia einai oti kai oi

pomakoi pigainoyn gia spoydes stin toyrkia.

ekane kati kalo twra i kyvernisi (250 theseis gia toys moysoylmanoys
tis thrakis se ellinika panepistimia-provlepw na alla3opistisoyn
arketoi dikoi mas:-)) kai vgikan kati malakes kai milane gia adikia
kai alla tetoia...

yannis
erthe kai teson i seira

Petros Petropoulos

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> >Ksexases na grapseis gia ton Kanarh pou to 1821 pyrpolhse thn
> >Tourkikh nayarxida...
> Pali re megale phres thn boyrtsa gia poytsa; Pali;
> Lewnidas

Oxi, apla se boh8aw sthn prospa8eia sou na mas diafwtiseis kai na

mas deikseis oti ki emeis den ysteroume.

Epikairh h anafora sou, poly epikairh. Na kseroume kai pote anoigoume
to stoma mas...

Vassilis

Joseph Kostakis

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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Lida Anestidou wrote:

> Grafei o Shfhs:
>
> >0a sou exoun hdh apanthsei polloi se auto to 0ema. Kaneis megalo la0os,
> >dioti eimaste o monos laos pou boh0hse tous Ebraious, kai idiaitera h
> >0essalonikh sthn opoia ezhses kiolas tromara sou. Ki exei ki ekei
> >pollous Ellhnes me ebraikes rizes (oxi ebraious!!!)
>
> tromara mou, 3etromara mou, exw tosous pollous filous ellhnoebraious pou
> mallon h plush
> exei ginei anapoda...

Eixe arketous sto sxoleio (3ereis poio:-) )
Ekeino pou katalaba einai pws tous maurous tous leme skularapes tous
Ebraious sapounia, tous Tourkous kai gw den 3erw ti, exoume anekdota gia
pontious kai oti loghs an0rwpous kai ratses 0es.

Alla se proswpiko epipedo kai oxi politeiako kai politiko den exoume
problhma me kanenan, tous dexomaste olous arga h grhgora kai den tous
uotimoume ws katwterh ratsa. Nai eimai amorfwtoi oi Tourkoi ala uparxoun
kai morfwmenoi kai tous blepoume sta sxoleia edw kai den exoume na
xwrisoume tipota.

Kai pisw stous ebraious, ooi opoioi brhkan katafugio sth 0essalonikh kai
ezhsan kai eftia3an mia apo tis megaluteres koinothtes. Twra ama o PFK
anaferetai se 0hriodiestou parel0ontos pou proswpika den exw akousei alla
milaw apo osa exw dei einai allo kapelo.

Gegonos einai oti alla leme kai alla pisteoume. Kai pare paradeigma tous
pontious... An kai perase h epoxh me ta anekdota...

Exoun pleon aporofh0ei, isws giati aparnh0hkan na foran thn tampelitsa
tou Pontiou, apo ntroph fobo anagkh.

>
> koita na sou pw, an milhseis me ellhnoebraious de 8a sxhmatiseis ka8olou thn
> entypwsh oti
> h Elladara einai filoebrai.i.zousa...ka8olou malista..
>

Ki omws einai. Den einai filoIsrahlinh. Kai mh mou peis pws paizw me
tis le3eis....

>
> >To oti exoume ratsistikh glwssa de shmainei oti eimaste ratsistes..
>
> mpa?
>
> dhladh, exoume glwssa h opoia ekfrazei ratsistika ais8hmata ta opoia den
> exoun antapokrish
> sthn pragmatikh mas tautothta?

> Ti les paidi mou?
>
Sou apanthse o Kwstomplampla...

>
>
> 0a htan kalutera na mhn ta
> >legame kai na pisteuame tetoies malakies...???
>
> kai ta leme kai ta pisteyoume ...

Esu ta pisteueis h milas gia allous. Exei shmasia...

> >
> >Mhn pefteis sthn pagida tou anaptugmenou kosmou pou bazei mia wraia
> >bitrina na kruyei thn askhmia ths. Einia upokrisia...
> >
> >Mporei na mhn eimaste telioi alla eimaste kaluteroi. Exoume omws arketo
> >dromo mprosta mas...
>
> ela re Shfh, ma ti les twra?
>
> Gia ola einai oi Ellhnares the best or the better...
>

Pali genikologeis kai apofeugeis to kentriko 0ema. DEn eimaste kaloi,
alla polu kaluteroi apo tous allous...

> Ypokrisia einai na mou les oti exoume ratsistikes ekfraseis alla den eimaste
> ratsistes
> Oti eimaste e8nikistes alla oxi ratsistes kai o e8nikismos mas ofeiletai se
> plush
> efkefalou pou ginetai sto dhmotiko..
>

Ti 0es re Lhda;;; Na kanoume th glwssa pou klhronomhsame politically
correct;;; Gia to onoma tou 0eou. An exoume mia uperhfaneia einai h
glwssa ma kai h paradosh pou koubalaei kai exei xilies ekfraseis pou h
kwloamerikh ths xarakthrizei ratsisikes. Skata sta moutra tous kai
elpizw na mhn aspazese tetoies filosofies... Giati oloi oi megaloi
logotexnes 0a ginoun apo th mia stigmh sthn allh ratsistes... Otan
milame gia eleu0ereia tou logou, ti ennooume;;;

> Kai apo kei kai pera? oi eu8unes menoun panw sto daskalako, etsi?

Kuanoi falloi (TM Shfakas)
Ama anoi3eis to biblio kai diabaseis Ellhnikh istoria, de ftaiei o
daskalos alla h genikterh filosofia ths Ellhnikhs paideias pou mesa apo
thn Ellhnikh istoria prospa0ei na xtisei Ellhnikh tautothta...

> Dhladh, mias kai to ema8es sto dhmotiko, apallasesai ths upoxrewshs an einai
> la9os na to
> dior8wseis, etsi?
> Sto onoma tou "eimaste kaluteroi", etsi?
>

Basika exeis 3efugei kai upopteuomai oti diabazeis ta mail me
sunais0hmatikh fortish kai kollas se leptomereies. 3anadiabase ta se
parakalw kai 0a katalabeis ti lew.

Shfakas o meraklhs

>
> >
> >Siga re. Dhladh pernousan kalutera ekei pou htan... Giati hr0an sthn
> >katapiestikh Ellada kai oxi sth land of the free ( gia tous fillipinezous
> >einai pio konta nomizw).
>

> Gia tous albanous pou tous proslambanoun gia mia mpoukia pswmi na kanoun tis
> douleies pou
> oi Ellhnares apa3ioun (opws oi germanarades, agglomalakes, galloi,
> amerikanares kai loioi
> mh tritokosmikoi) de 3ereis?
>

> Gia tis filippinezes pou tous kratane ta diabathria kai oute IKA tous
> plhrwnoun oute tipote
> den exeis akousei?
>

Leo J. Irakliotis

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Epimenei o Basilhs:

>Oxi, apla se boh8aw sthn prospa8eia sou na mas diafwtiseis kai na
>mas deikseis oti ki emeis den ysteroume.

H prospaueia moy einai na uymhsw ayta poy eykola jexnoyme se
stigmes eunikhs ysterias.

Diafwneis; Nai 'h oxi;

Lewnidas

V.Koutsos

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Peter Petropoulos wrote on 16 Aug.

>
> >kala re lewnida oi armenioi,oi evraioi,oi enetoi den enswmatwthikan

> >stin elliniki koinwnia?
>
> Edw gelame ? Tov Agko'p sta erga tou Fivos tov 0umasai ? Ta ``avekdota''
> me tous Armevious dev sou leve tipota ? Oi Ebraioi eswmatw0nkav ? Mnpws
> uparxei kaveva paradeigma ? Twra gia tous Evetous dev kserw, aplws kserw
> oti afnsav kastra kai ereipia, kai liga Italika stous katoikous twv Eptavnswv.
>
> Auto pou dev katalabate eivai oti o Lewvidas milouse gia ``Institutional
> Racism''...
>
> Petros
>

Kala eimaste sta kala mas;;
Exoume emeis "Institutional Racism" ston idio ba0mo pou
exoun oi Tourkoi;;
Ta exoun pei alloi: 3epastrema 1000000 armeniwn, xiliadwn
Kourdwn, ekatontadwn xiliadwn ellhnwn kai de milw
gia polemous. Dhl. to progrom tou 55 sthn Polh me tous
stratiwtes na efodiazoun "kausima ylika" tous polites
den htan "Constitutional Racism";;
0a epanalabw auto pou esteila proswpiko mono (kata la0os)
sto Lewnida:
To gegonos kai mono oti zoune ~100 xiliades mousoulmanoi
sth 0rakh einai apodei3h anwterothtas kai politismou.
An dipla sthn Tourkia katoikousan "politismenoi"
laoi 0a eixan 3emperdepsei me tous tourkous mia kai kalh.
Basilhs

Joseph Kostakis

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On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Petros Petropoulos wrote:

> >kala re lewnida oi armenioi,oi evraioi,oi enetoi den enswmatwthikan
> >stin elliniki koinwnia?
>
> Edw gelame ? Tov Agko'p sta erga tou Fivos tov 0umasai ? Ta ``avekdota''

Exoun pleon enswmatw0ei kai enopoih0ei. Oi armenioi (eidika sth 0essalonikoi
einai ka0ola Ellhnes kai prospa0oun na diathrhsoun kapoia paradosh)

> me tous Armevious dev sou leve tipota ? Oi Ebraioi eswmatw0nkav ? Mnpws

Sth 0essalonikh uparxei Ebraikh sunagwgh, ta tsoglanakia uposthrizan th
Makampi otan epaize me ton Arh, alla milan Ellhnika sumperiferontai san
Ellhnes, pane se Ellhnika sxoleia alla den kanoun 0rhskeutika kai genika
oute th malakia kapelaki de forane opws oi en Amerikh...

Kai epishs oi pontioi exoun enswmatw0ei... Pleon zoun ws Ellhnes giati
diale3an na ginoun Ellhnes, miloun ellhnika kai den prospa0oun na
diaforopoih0oun me kapoio tropo.
Akoma kai ta anekdota exoun stamathsei...

> uparxei kaveva paradeigma ? Twra gia tous Evetous dev kserw, aplws kserw
> oti afnsav kastra kai ereipia, kai liga Italika stous katoikous twv Eptavnswv.
>

Twra isws to koino stoixeio olwn autwn twn periptwsewn einai h 0rhskeia
(einai oloi Xristianoi blepeis);;;;

Shfakas o meraklhs

Joseph Kostakis

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On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, George Xomeritakis wrote:

> >
> > On Thu, 15 Aug 1996, George Xomeritakis wrote:
> >
> > Giati ftaiei h fush tous...??? Den einai gonidiako to problhma, alla
> > etsi mas boleuei...
>
> Einai 0ema istorias, koultouras kai 0rhskeias tou laou autou. Sygkrine
> diaforetikes ratses h e0nh kai 0a deis polles diafores ston politismo
> tous kai sta xarakthristika tous.

To gegonos oti etsi htan sto parel0on den prodiagrafei to mellon tous.
Auto mono prospa0w na sou pw.

>
> Re Shfaka, mhpws ftaime emeis pou den proodeusane kai de morfw0hkane?
Oxi
> Emeis ftaime pou den exoun dhmokratia sth xwra tous? Emeis ftaime pou
Oxi
> twra pairnoun to dromo tou Islam? Kai mh mou peis twra oti o logos einai
> pou tous mplokarame th telwneiakh syndesh :-)
>
Oxi. Autoi pou tous kubernane ftaine ka0ws kai oi idioi.
Shfakas o meraklhs

> ****************************************************************
> * George Xomeritakis *
> * Department of Chemical Engineering, University of Cincinnati *
> * email : gxom...@alpha.che.uc.edu *
> * http://www.eng.uc.edu/~gxomerit *
> ****************************************************************
>

Leo J. Irakliotis

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Grafei h Lhda:

>Poioi Euraioi enswmatw8hkan?

>
>3exnas ton e n t o n o t at o ellhniko antishmitismo?????

Lhda, kaneis lauos. Me ejairesh thn katoxikh kybernhsh ths

Uessalonikhs, oi Ebraioi ths Elladas etyxan kalhs metaxeirishs
kai ginan dektoi apo ton ntopio plhuysmo. H istoria ths
Uessalonikhs einai potismenh apo to ebra.i.ko stoixeio.

Kai se mikroteres poleis opoy egkatastauhkan ebra.i.kes
koinothtes (px Kabala, Drama, Serres, Iwannina), h ypodoxh
kai h entajh htan kalh.

Ta stereotypa kai koinotopa opws 'tsigkoynhs ebraios' ktl
den shmainoyn kai polla otan h pragmatikothta deixnei alla.

Oi Ebraioi brhkan katafygio sth Uessalonikh. Dioti toys
to prosferan oi ntopioi. QED.

Lewnidas

Lida Anestidou

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>Grafei o Lewnidas:
>
>> Memonwmena peristatika den stoixeiouetoyn antishmitismo sthn Ellada.
>>
>> Einai gegonos pws kynhghmenoi oi Ebraioi ap' olh thn Eyrwph sthn
>> Uessalonikh (kai se alles poleis) rizwsan kai prokocan.

Lewnida,
mono kai mono oti egines aitia na s u m fw n h s e i o PFK mazi mou
(h na sumfwnhsw egw mazi tou) ftanei apo mono tou

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ta grafei polu kala peri ebra.i.khs istorias kai exw 2 pragmata na pros8esw:

Pws mazoxthkan oi ebraioi apo th 8essalonikh apo tous germanarades? kai
estal8hkan stis sapwnobiomh
xanies ths Rour kai ths Polwnias?

Kai deuteron:

Exeis pote sou koita3ei panw se ti patas otan kaneis th bolta sou mesa sto
AP8 sta kentrika kthria?

Ebra.i.kes tafoplakes patas, Lewnida....
Twra, ayto mallon deixnei sebasmo sto parel8on ths polhs, de nomizeis?
Dioti, etsi oi plakes exoun xrhsimopoih8ei kata ton kalutero dunato tropo,
swsta?
Mas apalla3an apo ton kopo na kopsoume kainourgio marmaro apo ta latomeia
mas kai etsi
prwtoporoi panta, katafugame sto recycling....

[dimitri Tamalis]

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Grafei n Lnda gia tnv uparksn ratsismou stnv Ellada (suzntnsn pou olo kai
ksavagurvaei sto kafeveio mas):

> Grafei o LEwnidas:

>
> >Bre Lhda, kai h Doja Dramas otan epaize sthn Auhna (perasmena megaleia),
> >boylgaroys mas anebokatebazan. Sta ghpeda krinetai twra h Ellada;
>

> Akou, Lewnida, oti fwnazei h maza sunh8ws einai rizwmeno ba8ia mesa ths...mh
> mou peis
> oti oi notioelladites de 8ewroun tous boreioelladites elafrws katwterous,
> giati 8a kra3w.............
>
Xmm, apo Hpeiro eimai, A0nva kai gevika sta votia movo gia liges meres
ekatsa opote tetoio frouto dev eida. 0a me evdiefere va dw ti leve kai
alloi pavw s'auto kai av gevika oi gvwmws dixazovtai basn gewgrafikns
proeleusns n' oxi.

> >Memonwmena peristatika den stoixeiouetoyn antishmitismo sthn Ellada.
>

> Memonwmena???
>
> Kale, ti mas les?
>
> Alla de se adikw..kai gw etsi skeftomoun mexri pou efuga apo thn Ellada makria
> kai tote suneidhtopoihsa poso mataioponousa otan elega me kompasmo
> stous 3enous ths Eurwphs kai stous Amerikanous tous prwtous mhnes tha
paramonhs
> mou edw pera pws h Ellada den exei ka9olou ratsismo...
>
> E, merikous tous pairnei parapanw xrono na suneidhtopoih8oun....
>
Ovtws etsi eivai pesta re Lnda. Eivai kai auto meros tou avagkaiou (me
tnv evvoia tou avapofeuktou afou givetai pavtou) plusimou egkefalou
sumfwva me tov opoio n Ellada xairei teleias dnmokratias, eleu0erias
kai oti eivai apnlagmevn tetoiwv barbarwv dutikwv/ka0olikwv
xaraktnristikwv opws o ratsismos klp.
Eimaste toso pernfavoi gia tnv patrida mas (kalo auto) pou dev 0eloume va
doume tn sapila pou uparxei orismeves fores kai va kavoume kati gia auto.
Otav omws bgaiveis eksw n' kai stnv patrida va 'sai alla va exeis mia
kapoia epafn me tnv pragmatikotnta tou ekswterikou tote kaveis
sugkriseis. Autes orismeves fores se kavouv va ektimas ta kala kai ta
wraia mas (dev oploforei to 50% tou pln0usmou p.x.) alla suvama se kavouv
va andiazeis kuriolektika me pragmata ta opoia priv eite dev 0ewrouses ws
problnmata eite ta agvoouses teleiws ( movo ta autokivntistika atuxnmata
va 0umn0w ta pairvw sto kravio).
Oso de gia to 0ema to ratsismou eivai geloio kai movo va isxyrizomaste oti
dev uparxei pisw stnv patrida. Ta peristatika pou exouv dei ta matia mou
kai exouv akousei ta autia mou mesw tritwv 0a gemizav tomous.
Leme oti dev exoume ratsismo giati mas evoxlei n tampela, giati dev
avexomaste kamia prosboln pros tnv poluagapnmevn mas Elladitsa kai giati
mas aresei va eimaste kaluteroi apo tous ksevous oxi giati katsame estw kai
mia stigmn va skeftoume av uparxouv oi ka0e fusews "diaforetikoi" kai pws
avtimetwpizovtai apo to koivwviko suvolo.
Tnv epomevn fora pou 0a pate Ellada prospa0nste gia eva 24wro movo va
euais0ntopoin0eite kai va katagrapsete tis ekfraseis kai tis prakseis
filwv sas pou 0a mporousav va 0ewrn0ouv ratsistikes. Stoixnmatizw oti o
ari0mos 0a sas ekplnksei. Me alla logia to ti guftos/poustns/arapns/albavos
kai tn ksediavtropn pseutoavwterotnta 0a pesei dev legatai.

> Oh, well, life is not fair
dearie.................. >

> Lhda
>
> to arxidiabolaki >:->
>
> Lida Anestidou
> UT Medical School at Houston
> Dept of Integrative Biology
> 713-7925436
>

Dnmntrns o 0esprwtos

Opws leve kai oi eru0rodermoi mnv kriveis kapoiov
xwris va perpatnseis me ta mokasivia tou gia mia
bdomada.

Babis Labrakis

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Leo J. Irakliotis wrote:

> Bre Lhda, kai h Doja Dramas otan epaize sthn Auhna (perasmena megaleia),
> boylgaroys mas anebokatebazan. Sta ghpeda krinetai twra h Ellada;
>

> Ua moy peis kai pote den krinotan ekei.

Diafwnw
Pou 0a kri0ei re Leonida h Ellada, an oxi stous dromous, sta ghpeda klp;
Mhpws stis de3iwseis ths proedrias ths dhmokratias;

Babis

[dimitri Tamalis]

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Nato kai to zoumi!
Ntropn, fobo kai avagkn eipes re Snfn;
Kai gw pou vomiza oti diafwvouses me tn Lnda pavw sto sugkekrimevo zntnma :-)
Dev kserw ta biwmata sou, aplws opws kai n Lnda kapote kai gia polu kairo
aspazomouva kai egw ta pisteuw sou se auto. To kolpo brisketai oxi sto ti
vomizoume oti avtilambavomaste n' ti mas aresei va avtilambavomaste emeis
alla pws exouv ta pragmata gia autous pou pairvei n mpora.
Ara sto erwtnma "uparxei ratsismos stnv Ellada" prepei opwsdnpote va
exeis tn sumboln autwv pou 0a mporousav va epnreastouv arvntika apo autov.

>
> >
> > koita na sou pw, an milhseis me ellhnoebraious de 8a sxhmatiseis ka8olou thn
> > entypwsh oti
> > h Elladara einai filoebrai.i.zousa...ka8olou malista..
> >
>
> Ki omws einai. Den einai filoIsrahlinh. Kai mh mou peis pws paizw me
> tis le3eis....
>
> >
> > >To oti exoume ratsistikh glwssa de shmainei oti eimaste ratsistes..
> >
> > mpa?
> >
> > dhladh, exoume glwssa h opoia ekfrazei ratsistika ais8hmata ta opoia den
> > exoun antapokrish
> > sthn pragmatikh mas tautothta?
> > Ti les paidi mou?
> >
> Sou apanthse o Kwstomplampla...
>
> >
> >
> > 0a htan kalutera na mhn ta
> > >legame kai na pisteuame tetoies malakies...???
> >
> > kai ta leme kai ta pisteyoume ...
>
> Esu ta pisteueis h milas gia allous. Exei shmasia...
> > >
> > >Mhn pefteis sthn pagida tou anaptugmenou kosmou pou bazei mia wraia
> > >bitrina na kruyei thn askhmia ths. Einia upokrisia...
> > >
> > >Mporei na mhn eimaste telioi alla eimaste kaluteroi. Exoume omws arketo
> > >dromo mprosta mas...
> >
> > ela re Shfh, ma ti les twra?
> >
> > Gia ola einai oi Ellhnares the best or the better...
> >
>
> Pali genikologeis kai apofeugeis to kentriko 0ema. DEn eimaste kaloi,
> alla polu kaluteroi apo tous allous...

Polu kalyteroi; Posw 0a mou arese kati tetoio!
Dev mporw va diabazw to mualo tou ka0evos kai va kserw ti skeftetai alla
stnv Ellada av katebw stnv agora opwsdnpote 0a akousw ta suvn0ismeva: gia
tous guftous idiaitera stnv poln mou 0a akouseis polla alla mexri kai gia
tous Amerikavous kai to poso xazoi eivai evw o omilwv prepei va exei pavw
tou ekato snmadia apo tnv koultoura tous.
Edw stnv kevtrikn Amerikn toulaxistov dev suvavtas tetoia peristatika se
tetoia suxvotnta.
Poioi eivai kaluteroi; Dustuxws emeis pavtws oxi.

Dnmntrns o 0esprwtos

Leo J. Irakliotis

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On 17 Aug 96 at 18:11, (Babis Labrakis
<cla...@orion.rz.mdc-berlin.de>) wrote:

> Diafwnw
> Pou 0a kri0ei re Leonida h Ellada, an oxi stous dromous, sta ghpeda
> klp; Mhpws stis de3iwseis ths proedrias ths dhmokratias;

Poy ua kriuei 'h poy ua eprepe na kriuei;

Gia to prwto h apanthsh douhke. Gia to deytero mono uewria mporoyme
na kanoyme.

H Ellada krinetai sta/apo ta ghpeda. Den diafwnoyme gia to gegonos
ayto. Gia to an h epilogh toy topoy kai twn peristasewn (bl.
oxlagwgia) isws na diafwnoyme.

Lewnidas

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Leo J. Irakliotis
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Leo J. Irakliotis

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Grafei o Mpamphs:

>Pantws h anwnumia einai ikanh alla oxi anagkaia sun0hkh gia thn ekfrash
>tou parapanw. Yparxoun kai alles sun0hkes.

Kapoios sth lista ayth paromoiwse thn anandrh epiuesh se baros
ths manas toy Akh me thn anandrh epiuesh se baros toy Isaak.
Opote h uewria soy parapanw isws na ejhgei kai th dolofonia.

Lewnidas .............. sta ghpeda h Ellada anastenazei
sta kafeneia mpiliardo kalampoyri kai xarti
stekei sto periptero diabazei
fyllades me miamish draxmh.

Leo J. Irakliotis

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Grafei o Mpamphs:

>H ekfrash sunais0hmatwn sta ghpeda ginetai poio abiasta. H eikona pou
>blepeis einai au0ormhth.H ekfrash mesa sthn anonumia, pou sou xarizei to
>aproswpo plh0os, apeleu0erwnei tous fragmous pou epibalei o
>ka0wsprepismos.

Etsi ua ejhgoyntai kai ta <h mana soy einai poytana> ta opoia
eidame ki edw mesa.

Lewnidas

Ioannis I. Iliopoulos.

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>
>Grafei o Lewnidas:

>
>> Memonwmena peristatika den stoixeiouetoyn antishmitismo sthn Ellada.
>>

>> Einai gegonos pws kynhghmenoi oi Ebraioi ap' olh thn Eyrwph sthn
>> Uessalonikh (kai se alles poleis) rizwsan kai prokocan.
>

>Oi Ebraioi hl0an sthn 0es/nikh meta thn exodo tous apo thn
>Ispania to 1492. Hl0an se mia 0essalonikh TOYRKOKRATOYMENH,
>kai rizwsan giati tous to epetrepsan oi TOYRKOI.

diavase ligo ta apomnimoneymata toy fwtakoy kai tha deis gia ti stasi twn
evraiwn.
to oti toys to epetrepsan oi toyrkoi toys kanei antiratsistes?

> Oi Ebraioi
>sthn 0essalonikh, stis arxes tou aiwna, kai prin apo thn
>Mikrasiatikh Katastrofh tou '22, htan PERISSOTEROI SE ARI0MO
>apo tous Ellhnes...

an den kanw lathos prin tin apeleytherwsi tis makedonias oi ellines itan 3oi se
plithysmo.
ayto omws den lei tipota...

>Meta thn Katoxh, twra, merikoi epizhsantes epestrepsan sthn
>0es/nikh, stis periousies tous, sta spitia tous. Ta opoia eixan
>IDIOPOIH0EI PARANOMA oi Ellhnares, oi opoioi ediwxan tous
>Ebraious pou epestrepsan kakhn kakws.

ayto den to 3erw.tha rwtisw filoys moy evraioys na moy poyn.

>Kapoia stigmh oi apogonoi twn Sephardim ths 0es/nikhs 0a
>zhthsoun tis periousies tous pisw, opws ekanan oi Ashkenazy
>ths Eurwphs me tous trapezikous tous logariasmous sthn
>Elbetia, kai tote na deis Lewnida ti ntaoulia exoun na
>baresoun...
>
>Oso gia ton Ellhniko antishmitismo: pera apo ta "tsigkounhs
>ebraios" klp, mhn xexnas thn apopsh pou einai EYRAIWS KAI
>APERISKEPTA apodekth sthn Ellada oti oi Ebraioi "elegxoun"
>to die0nes trapeziko susthma, thn Kubernhsh twn HPA kai
>poios xerei ti allo... Ton Kuriako Diakogiannh ton exeis
>akousta;

ayrianistis?:-)))))

yannis
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Ioannis I. Iliopoulos.

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>>Leei o Giannhs (Hliopoylos):

>>
>>
>>>kala re lewnida oi armenioi,oi evraioi,oi enetoi den enswmatwthikan
>>>stin elliniki koinwnia?
>

>Kala, re Giannh, pou zouses esu prin pas Germania?
>Sthn Madagaskarh?

nai stin kalamaria tis madagaskaris:-)

>Poioi Euraioi enswmatw8hkan?
>
>3exnas ton e n t o n o t at o ellhniko antishmitismo?????

koita3e min politikologeis!to pasok tha tis parei tis ekloges kai tote thelw na
dw an milas akomi gia
antisimitismo.

>3exnas oles tis ekfraseis pou exoume ws e8nos, tupou: "tosh fasaria opws
>purgos ths Babel",
>"tsigkounhs ebraios" klp?????

xavra ioydaiwn klp...ela re lida epixeirima einai ayto?
armeniki vizita kai alla tetoia exoyn eipwthei kai gia perioxes tis elladas.

yparxei ratsismos vevaiws stin ellada alla den einai epikindynos akoma.kalo tha
itan vevaia na mi ginei
pote epikindynos...

yannis
erthe kai teson i seira

ps.alli doyleia den eixate na kanete to savvatokyriako?????150 minimata!!!

>
>Sobara ta les?
>
>Oi Ellhnares eimaste gamw tous ratsistes laous kai diabazontas ola ta mails
>edw mesa
>pou grafthkan logw twn teleutaiwn gegonotwn fainetai, opws kai fainetai
>oloka8ara
>se opoion exei ligo mualo na skeftei poso apaisia feromaste stis
>filippinezes, tous
>albanous, tous rwsopontious, tous arabes, tous polwnous, tous xilious duo
>3enous...
>
>Grafei o Lewnidas:

>
>>Na mhn sygkrinoyme pws metaxeirizomaste th moysoylmanikh meionothta
>>me to pws metaxeirizontai oi Toyrkoi thn Ellhnikh. Alla me to pws
>>metaxeirizontai thn Ellhnikh meionothta oi Germanoi ktl.
>

>Na mh sugkrineis me tipote. Oi tourkoi ferontai opws ferontai logw 8rhskeias
>pou tous
>apoprosanatolizei ka8oti kai amorfwtoi kai agrammatoi oi kahmenoi kai de
mporoun
> na katalaboun th sofia tou Karolou pou elege pws h 8rhskeia einai to opio
>tou laou.
>
>Oi Germanoi, Galloi, Aggloi, Ellhnares kai loipoi eurwpaioi etairoi ferontai
>opws ferontai
>giati pisteyoun sthn anwterothta tous ...etsi...einai sta gonidia (oxi toso
>akraia opws oi Nazi, alla
>e3isou apoluta)h einai kekthmeno dikaiwma...
>
>
>Afhste kata meros tis sugkriseis, kriseis, epikriseis, anakriseis kai malakies.
>
>Ka8e fora pou ginetai mia "e8no..." tarakounhsh prepei na bgazoume
>sumperasmata, ideologies,
>a3iwmata, surtarakia, topo8ethseis klp?

Lida Anestidou

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Garfei o Shfhs kai o Mpillhs mazi kai xwria:)

>>
>> Ayto ginetai. P.x. Pontioi. Anekdota gia Pontious ksereis?

Re paidia, sobaromileite?

Dhladh, ta anekdota me toys Pontious gia poio logo eufeure8hkan?
Giati den ekfrazoun ratsismo?
Giati den ekfrazoun diaforopoihsh?
Giati den einai o eusxhmos tropos twn Ellhnarwn na dei3oun thn "anwterothta
" tous
apenanti se allous ellhnes "katwteras uposta8mhs"?
An uphrxe isothta ousiastikh de 8a uphrxe logos gia anekdota me Pontious kai
de 3erw gw ti allo....

>> Den yparxei ratsismos s'ayto to 8ema. Dhladh ama breis Ellhna pou 8a sou
>> kanei mia douleia xwris IKA kai me liga lefta, de 8a ton protimhseis?
>> Prosfora kai zhthsh einai.

Alh8eia?
Oxi, Basilh, einai 8ema ekmetalleushs..kai arnhshs tou ellhnara na kanei
douleies
beneath his social status (my ass)....
>>
>Biologia spoudazei to koritsi....Gi auto kai h euais0hsia gia to IKA:-)

Egw eimai sto TSAY, neare:)

>>Gegonos einai oti alla leme kai alla pisteoume. Kai pare paradeigma tous
>>pontious... An kai perase h epoxh me ta anekdota...

>>Exoun pleon aporofh0ei, isws giati aparnh0hkan na foran thn tampelitsa
>>tou Pontiou, apo ntroph fobo anagkh.

Me sugxwreis, alla adunatw na dw th logikh kai ta epixeirhmata pisw apo thn
apopsh pou
uposthrizeis, oti dhladh, sa laos exoume le3eis kai xarakthrismous pou den
e3uphretoun h ekfrazoun apopseis alla briskontai etsi, gia na 3e8umainoume..
Den uparxei kammia le3h pou uparxei xwris logo kai aitia. H upar3h tous
fanerwnei oti ftiaxthkan gia na ekfrasoun katastaseis, sunais8hmata, idees..
Epomenws, mh mou les oti leme :skularapas kai den to ennooume para aplws
einai mia ekfrash opws to :mpakalhs....xwris upogeia sxolia kai ermhneies...

>
> koita na sou pw, an milhseis me ellhnoebraious de 8a sxhmatiseis ka8olou thn
> entypwsh oti
> h Elladara einai filoebrai.i.zousa...ka8olou malista..
>

Ki omws einai. Den einai filoIsrahlinh.

Dhladh: h Ellada den agapaei to kratos tou Israhl, alla tous ebraious san
aplous polites
tous dexetai..
Auto mou les, etsi?

Kai giati parakalw den agapaei to kratos tou Israhl?
Kai poious ebraious dexetai? tous ellhnes ebraious? tous amerikanous ebraious?
tous ebraious polites ths diasporas?

Me sugxwreis, alla to israhlinos einai amesh epektash ths idiothtas tou na
einai kaneis
ebraios, dioti an den uphrxan ebraioi, de 8a upjhrxe kai h anagkh na idru8ei
kratos tou
Israhl.

>>Pali genikologeis kai apofeugeis to kentriko 0ema. DEn eimaste kaloi,
alla polu kaluteroi apo tous allous...

Poious allous den exw katalabei akomh...
An kaneis ton kopo na mou fereis paradeigmata tote mporei na katallabw me
poious mas
sugkrineis kai mas briskeis kai anwterous kiolas...

>>Ti 0es re Lhda;;; Na kanoume th glwssa pou klhronomhsame politically
correct;;; Gia to onoma tou 0eou. An exoume mia uperhfaneia einai h
glwssa ma kai h paradosh pou koubalaei kai exei xilies ekfraseis pou h
kwloamerikh ths xarakthrizei ratsisikes. Skata sta moutra tous kai
elpizw na mhn aspazese tetoies filosofies... Giati oloi oi megaloi
logotexnes 0a ginoun apo th mia stigmh sthn allh ratsistes... Otan
milame gia eleu0ereia tou logou, ti ennooume;;;

Ti sxesh exei h "filosofia" tou politically correct me ton ellhniko ratsismo?
Egw den uposthri3a oute koutakia typou politically correct, oute fimwma
logou, oute
tampeles.
Auto pou uposthrizw einai oti h glwssa mas exei oles autes tis xiliades
ekfraseis pou
uponooun diaforopoihsh kai ratsismo epeidh aKRIBWS ayto mas ekfrazei sa lao.
Teleia.

Autes 8a papsoun na uparxoun apo mones tous, mono otan suneidhtopoih8ei o
ka8enas apo mas kai dextei oti to na xarakthrizeis kapoion ws skularapa
de leei tipote kai oute dhlwnei epixeirhma enantion tou. Apla deixnei to
xrwma tou dermatos tou.

Oso gia to sxolio peri sunais8hmatikhs fortishs,
mh mperdeueis thn poutsa me th bourtsa.

To oti me ekneurizei h idea oti oi Ellhnares einai EllhNARES etsi,
giati mas to ma8ane sto
sxoleio h einai grammeno sta gonidia mas, den exei tipote na kanei
me to an auta pou lew exoun validity h oxi. An exeis na apanthseis, exei kalws.
Alliws mhn prospa3eis na ta upobibaseis apokalwntas ta "sunais8hmatikh fortish".

Lhda
en Houston

Charalampos Labrakakis

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> >aproswpo plh0os, apeleu0erwnei tous fragmous pou epibalei o
> >ka0wsprepismos.
>
> Etsi ua ejhgoyntai kai ta <h mana soy einai poytana> ta opoia
> eidame ki edw mesa.

Mporei na mhn exoume anonumia edw mesa, alla to internet einai sxetika
aproswpo. To "Leo Irakliotis" den mou leei tipote emena, oute esena to
Mpamphs Labrakakis...

Pantws h anwnumia einai ikanh alla oxi anagkaia sun0hkh gia thn ekfrash
tou parapanw. Yparxoun kai alles sun0hkes.

Babis

Charalampos Labrakakis

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Leo J. Irakliotis wrote:

> H Ellada krinetai sta/apo ta ghpeda. Den diafwnoyme gia to gegonos
> ayto. Gia to an h epilogh toy topoy kai twn peristasewn (bl.
> oxlagwgia) isws na diafwnoyme.

H ekfrash sunais0hmatwn sta ghpeda ginetai poio abiasta. H eikona pou
blepeis einai au0ormhth.H ekfrash mesa sthn anonumia, pou sou xarizei to

aproswpo plh0os, apeleu0erwnei tous fragmous pou epibalei o
ka0wsprepismos.

Otan parousiazetai kaneis sto koinwniko sunolo, ws memonomeno atomo,
epilegei poia xarakthristika tou 0a probalei kai poia 0a diastreulwsei.
Telika eimaste ws ena ba0mo upokrites (oxi, den exw stoixeia Koutale).
Katapiezoume ta pragmatika mas xarakthrhstika gia na ginoume arestoi kai
sunepws pistikoi wste na petuxoume tous skopous mas. Pisteuw oti sto
anonumo sunolo einai pio alh0hnh h sumperifora mas.
Yparxoun kai e3aireseis....

> Lewnidas

Babis

Ioannis I. Iliopoulos.

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>
>> >kala re lewnida oi armenioi,oi evraioi,oi enetoi den enswmatwthikan
>> >stin elliniki koinwnia?
>>

>> Edw gelame ? Tov Agko'p sta erga tou Fivos tov 0umasai ? Ta ``avekdota''

soy apanta o sifis alla pali re petro ayto den einai epixeirima.gamw tin trela
moy gamw!

>Exoun pleon enswmatw0ei kai enopoih0ei. Oi armenioi (eidika sth 0essalonikoi
>einai ka0ola Ellhnes kai prospa0oun na diathrhsoun kapoia paradosh)
>
>> me tous Armevious dev sou leve tipota ? Oi Ebraioi eswmatw0nkav ? Mnpws
>Sth 0essalonikh uparxei Ebraikh sunagwgh, ta tsoglanakia uposthrizan th
>Makampi otan epaize me ton Arh, alla milan Ellhnika sumperiferontai san
>Ellhnes, pane se Ellhnika sxoleia alla den kanoun 0rhskeutika kai genika
>oute th malakia kapelaki de forane opws oi en Amerikh...
>
>Kai epishs oi pontioi exoun enswmatw0ei... Pleon zoun ws Ellhnes giati
>diale3an na ginoun Ellhnes, miloun ellhnika kai den prospa0oun na
>diaforopoih0oun me kapoio tropo.

sifi edw xtypas malakia ka.i.lariwtiki...de soy apantw alla 3anadiavasta.tha
pesei fwtia na mas kapsei...

yannis
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[dimitri Tamalis]

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Egrapse o Flessas (parepiptwvtws mnpws eivai suvn0ismevo to epi0eto sou
giati eixame eva geitova me to idio):

> At 08:48 =EC.=EC. 16/08/1996 -0500, [dimitri Tamalis] wrote:
>
> >Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; CHARSET=3DUS-ASCII
> >Content-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.91.96...@abc.ksu.ksu.edu>

> >
> >Grafei n Lnda gia tnv uparksn ratsismou stnv Ellada (suzntnsn pou olo kai
> >ksavagurvaei sto kafeveio mas):
> >
> >> Grafei o LEwnidas:
> >>

> >> >Bre Lhda, kai h Doja Dramas otan epaize sthn Auhna (perasmena megaleia),
> >> >boylgaroys mas anebokatebazan. Sta ghpeda krinetai twra h Ellada;
> >>

> >> Akou, Lewnida, oti fwnazei h maza sunh8ws einai rizwmeno ba8ia mesa=

> ths...mh
> >> mou peis
> >> oti oi notioelladites de 8ewroun tous boreioelladites elafrws katwterous,
> >> giati 8a kra3w.............
> >>
> >Xmm, apo Hpeiro eimai, A0nva kai gevika sta votia movo gia liges meres
> >ekatsa opote tetoio frouto dev eida. 0a me evdiefere va dw ti leve kai
> >alloi pavw s'auto kai av gevika oi gvwmws dixazovtai basn gewgrafikns
> >proeleusns n' oxi.
>

> Lhda arxise na krazeis!!!!
>
> Mhpws leipete poly kairo apo thn Ellada re paidia?? Nai, kapote etsi htan=
> =20
> h mallon kapws etsi, alla twra isxyei to anapodo. Egw pou exw=20
> genhthei, megalwsei kai menw sthn Athina, blepw oti h ypoloiph Ellada=20
> kai kyriws h Boreia kai sygkekrymena h Thessalonikh, mas thwerei.......=20
> flwrous, kalomathimenous... me mia lexh katwterous. Megalh exthra pou=20
> egw akoma prospathw na thn katanohsw. =20
>
> Kai gia na exoume kalo rwthma, gia tous Pyrgiwtes den exete pei pote=20
> tipota? Alloi laoi nomizete oti den exoun perioxes gia tis opoies=20
> lene diafora h perioxes me tis opoies yparxei "exthra"???

>
> >> >Memonwmena peristatika den stoixeiouetoyn antishmitismo sthn Ellada.
> >>

> >> Memonwmena???
> >>
> >> Kale, ti mas les?
> >>
> >> Alla de se adikw..kai gw etsi skeftomoun mexri pou efuga apo thn Ellada
> makria
> >> kai tote suneidhtopoihsa poso mataioponousa otan elega me kompasmo
> >> stous 3enous ths Eurwphs kai stous Amerikanous tous prwtous mhnes tha
> paramonhs
> >> mou edw pera pws h Ellada den exei ka9olou ratsismo...
>

> Political correctnes den exei theleis na peis.

>
> >Oso de gia to 0ema to ratsismou eivai geloio kai movo va isxyrizomaste oti
> >dev uparxei pisw stnv patrida. Ta peristatika pou exouv dei ta matia mou
> >kai exouv akousei ta autia mou mesw tritwv 0a gemizav tomous.
> >Leme oti dev exoume ratsismo giati mas evoxlei n tampela, giati dev
> >avexomaste kamia prosboln pros tnv poluagapnmevn mas Elladitsa kai giati
> >mas aresei va eimaste kaluteroi apo tous ksevous oxi giati katsame estw kai
> >mia stigmn va skeftoume av uparxouv oi ka0e fusews "diaforetikoi" kai pws
> >avtimetwpizovtai apo to koivwviko suvolo.
> >Tnv epomevn fora pou 0a pate Ellada prospa0nste gia eva 24wro movo va
> >euais0ntopoin0eite kai va katagrapsete tis ekfraseis kai tis prakseis
> >filwv sas pou 0a mporousav va 0ewrn0ouv ratsistikes. Stoixnmatizw oti o
> >ari0mos 0a sas ekplnksei. Me alla logia to ti guftos/poustns/arapns/albavos
> >kai tn ksediavtropn pseutoavwterotnta 0a pesei dev legatai.
>

> Kontoi, pshloi, xontroi, adynatoi, asxhmoi, omorfoi, plousioi, ftwxoi,=20
> swmatarades, dioptrofwroi, xanthies, exypnoi, xazoi, eparxiwtes,=20
> prwteyousianoi, mayroi, kitrinoi, leykoi, omofylofiloi, pornes,=20
> geroi, gries, pitsirikades... na shnexisw???=20
> Ase giati ginetai kourastiko!=20
>
> Oloi exoun ginei antikeimeno xleyasmou se OLA ta mhkh kai plath ths=20
> Ghs!
>

Sumfwvw me osa les Giwrgo alla egw apla avafer0nka stov Ellnviko ratsismo
kai eipa oti kata tnv gvwmn mou uparxei kai malista se megalutero ba0mo
ap' oti se alles dutikes xwres kai sugkekrimeva tnv Amerikn. Epipleov
pros0esa oti apex0avomai tnv upokrisia/agvoia mas sto 0ema me to va leme
oti emeis dev exoume problnma. Ti va kavoume n pswrokwstaiva eivai n
patrida mas, autn mas povaei, gia autn 0a milame estw kai av prokeitai
gia ta asxnma.
Oso gia auta pou egrapses kala ekaves giati eprepe va eipw0ouv etsi wste
va te0ei to olo 0ema se gevikotero plaisio.
Bebaia sto sugkekrimevo zntnma isws kai va gevikeuoume ligo kai va to
proseggizoume apo tnv koivwvikn tou pleura evw emeva me evdiaferouv pio
polu oi apopseis kai oi prakseis sugkekrimevwv atomwv: apokaleis p.x. esu
evav mauro ws "skularapa" (to arapns to nksera alla auto to paragwgo to
prwtoakousa priv 3 xrovia edw apo Ellnva foitntn) n' oi filoi sou, poios
o logos pou to kaveis kai poia av uparxei n avtidrasn sou se autous (tous
filous evvow).

> Na poume gia tous Pontious pou ta anekdota gia autous mas ekanan=20
> ratsistes? Oi Aggloi exoun tous Irlandous, oi Galloi tous Belgous,=20
> e tou pousth, kai oi Amerikanoi kapoious tha exoun?!
>
> Mhpws ftaiei to oti leme astynomikina kai oxi gynaika astynomikos??
>
> To "diaforetiko" panta xenize kai panta tha xenizei. Milate gia thn=20
> anthrwpinh fysh kai oxi gia Ellhnares opws toso poly sas aresei na=20
> autoapokaleiste. An autos einai o ratsismos ston opoio anafereste=20
> tote nai, mesa se OLOUS tous allous, einai kai oi Ellhnes ratsistes!
>
Eipame sumfwvoi.

> > > Oh, well, life is not fair
> >dearie.................. >
> >> Lhda
>

> Oute htan alla oute kai prokeitai na ginei pote,....sorry dearie...!

>
> >> to arxidiabolaki >:->
> >>
> >> Lida Anestidou
> >> UT Medical School at Houston
> >> Dept of Integrative Biology
> >> 713-7925436
> >>

> >Dnmntrns o 0esprwtos
> >
> > Opws leve kai oi eru0rodermoi mnv kriveis kapoiov
> > xwris va perpatnseis me ta mokasivia tou gia mia
> > bdomada.
>

> Perpathsa sta "mokasinia tou" gia 8 mhnes se ena mikro xwrio ths Irlandias=
> =20
> kai to enoiwsa apo prwto xeri!! Egw hmouna o diaforetikos ekei! Xenos kai=
> =20
> se tipota omoios me tous ntopious. Sto Doublino htan kalitera ta pragmata=
> =20
> kai einai fysiko, sto mikro xwrio omws, sthn kleisth auth koinwnia pou hxere=
> =20
> ti wra fysixe th myth tou o xyz-O'Rourke, egw aistanthika apokommenos!
>
> Ekei kai tote katalaba oti sthn ousia eimastai oloi idioi. Opws leei kai=20
> to tragoudi "Ola trigyrw allazoune kai ola ta idia menoun". Kai oi Germanoi=
> =20
> zorizontai me tous Tourkous kai oi Aggloi me tous Indous, oi Amerikanoi me=
> =20
> tous mayrous. Giati eiste toso sklhroi me thn Ellada kai tous Ellhnes???
> Den zoume se enan pshfiako kosmo. Den yparxei mono mhden kai ena, aspro=20
> kai mayro. Yparxoun apeires apoxrwseis, analogies, parametroi.
>
> Teleioi DEN prokeitai na ginoume pote giati h teleiothta, to idaniko,=20
> einai mia outopia. Auto pou mporoume na kanoume einai na ginoume=20
> kalliteroi afou omws katalaboume oti oi "kakoi-lathos-xazoi-ratsistes-
> k.o.k.", DEN einai MONO oi alloi alla KAI emeis!=20
>
> O kathe enas apo emas einai ypeythynos.
>
> Polla eipa kai den tha mou bgei se kalo;)
>
> Yiorgos
>
Dnmntrns o 0esprwtos

Yiorgos Flessas

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At 02:57 =EC.=EC. 18/08/1996 -0500, Lida Anestidou wrote:

>Garfei o Shfhs kai o Mpillhs mazi kai xwria:)
>>>
>>> Ayto ginetai. P.x. Pontioi. Anekdota gia Pontious ksereis?
>
>Re paidia, sobaromileite?
>
>Dhladh, ta anekdota me toys Pontious gia poio logo eufeure8hkan?
>Giati den ekfrazoun ratsismo?
>Giati den ekfrazoun diaforopoihsh?
>Giati den einai o eusxhmos tropos twn Ellhnarwn na dei3oun thn "anwterothta
>" tous
>apenanti se allous ellhnes "katwteras uposta8mhs"?

>An uphrxe isothta ousiastikh de 8a uphrxe logos gia anekdota me Pontious=

kai
>de 3erw gw ti allo....

Na sou pw egw kai gia ti allo!
Gia eparxiwtes, prwteyousianous, kontous, pshlous, xontrous, adynatous,=20
xanthies, mayrous, kitrinous, xazous, exypnous, swmatarades, pitsirikades,=
=20
gerous, dhmosiohpallhlous, taxitzides, karabanades, mpatsous, pornes,=20
theouses, Germanous, Egglezous, Amerikanous, Ellhnes, Tourkous, Albanous,=20
plousious, ftwxous, gyftous, lesbies, pousthdes, ......... ktlp,ktlp,ktlp

Na mantepsw kiolas oti KAI oi Egglezoi exoun paromoia anekdota KAI oi=20
Germanoi KAI oi Amerikanoi KAI OLOI!! Giati na einai loipon autos o=20
ratsismos pou les, pronomio MONO twn Ellhnwn???????

Ellhnares mou, opws sas aresei na autoapokaleiste, tha paradextw oti=20
eimai ratsisths tou kerata otan tha mou peite POTE htan h teleytaia=20
fora pou balate sto spiti sas ton gyfto pou katebainei apo ta Liosia=20
kai pou laei patates, pote htan h teleutaia fora pou bghkate exw gia=20
kafe me ton Albano pou menei sto ypogeio ths polykatoikias sas kai=20
gia poto me ton Pakistano pou plenei ta piata sto soublatzidiko ths=20
geitonias sas! Kai me pollous allous dhladh alla nomizw oti katalabainete=
=20
ti thelw na pw. "O anamarthtos ton litho baletw".
(Tha sas elega twra ena anakdoto me ton Xristo kai thn Panagia alla tha=20
kindyneua na xarakthristw ratsisths! ;)

>>> Den yparxei ratsismos s'ayto to 8ema. Dhladh ama breis Ellhna pou 8a sou
>>> kanei mia douleia xwris IKA kai me liga lefta, de 8a ton protimhseis?
>>> Prosfora kai zhthsh einai.
>
>Alh8eia?
>Oxi, Basilh, einai 8ema ekmetalleushs..kai arnhshs tou ellhnara na kanei
>douleies
>beneath his social status (my ass)....

Alhtheia???
Oi Ellhnes pou phgan prin apo kamposes dekaeties sthn Amerikh, Australia,=20
Germania kai opou allou, phgan san prothypougoi???? Mallon san piatades=20
phgan!

>>>
>>Biologia spoudazei to koritsi....Gi auto kai h euais0hsia gia to IKA:-)
>
>Egw eimai sto TSAY, neare:)
>
>>>Gegonos einai oti alla leme kai alla pisteoume. Kai pare paradeigma tous
>>>pontious... An kai perase h epoxh me ta anekdota...
>
>>>Exoun pleon aporofh0ei, isws giati aparnh0hkan na foran thn tampelitsa
>>>tou Pontiou, apo ntroph fobo anagkh.
>
>Me sugxwreis, alla adunatw na dw th logikh kai ta epixeirhmata pisw apo thn
>apopsh pou
>uposthrizeis, oti dhladh, sa laos exoume le3eis kai xarakthrismous pou den

>e3uphretoun h ekfrazoun apopseis alla briskontai etsi, gia na=

3e8umainoume..
>Den uparxei kammia le3h pou uparxei xwris logo kai aitia. H upar3h tous

>fanerwnei oti ftiaxthkan gia na ekfrasoun katastaseis, sunais8hmata,=

idees..
>Epomenws, mh mou les oti leme :skularapas kai den to ennooume para aplws

>einai mia ekfrash opws to :mpakalhs....xwris upogeia sxolia kai=
ermhneies...

Kai h "mpakalistikh douleia" den einai ena sxolio pou kanoume otan=20
theloume na deixoume thn proxeirothta? Olos o kosmos exei tetoies=20
ekfraseis giati MONO oi Ellhnes briskontai sto stoxastro?

>> koita na sou pw, an milhseis me ellhnoebraious de 8a sxhmatiseis ka8olou=

thn
>> entypwsh oti
>> h Elladara einai filoebrai.i.zousa...ka8olou malista..
>>
>
>Ki omws einai. Den einai filoIsrahlinh.
>
>Dhladh: h Ellada den agapaei to kratos tou Israhl, alla tous ebraious san
>aplous polites
>tous dexetai..
>Auto mou les, etsi?
>
>Kai giati parakalw den agapaei to kratos tou Israhl?

>Kai poious ebraious dexetai? tous ellhnes ebraious? tous amerikanous=

ebraious?
>tous ebraious polites ths diasporas?
>
>Me sugxwreis, alla to israhlinos einai amesh epektash ths idiothtas tou na
>einai kaneis

>ebraios, dioti an den uphrxan ebraioi, de 8a upjhrxe kai h anagkh na=

idru8ei
>kratos tou
>Israhl.
>
>>>Pali genikologeis kai apofeugeis to kentriko 0ema. DEn eimaste kaloi,
>alla polu kaluteroi apo tous allous...
>
>Poious allous den exw katalabei akomh...
>An kaneis ton kopo na mou fereis paradeigmata tote mporei na katallabw me
>poious mas
>sugkrineis kai mas briskeis kai anwterous kiolas...
>
>>>Ti 0es re Lhda;;; Na kanoume th glwssa pou klhronomhsame politically
>correct;;; Gia to onoma tou 0eou. An exoume mia uperhfaneia einai h
>glwssa ma kai h paradosh pou koubalaei kai exei xilies ekfraseis pou h
>kwloamerikh ths xarakthrizei ratsisikes. Skata sta moutra tous kai
>elpizw na mhn aspazese tetoies filosofies... Giati oloi oi megaloi
>logotexnes 0a ginoun apo th mia stigmh sthn allh ratsistes... Otan
>milame gia eleu0ereia tou logou, ti ennooume;;;
>
>

>Ti sxesh exei h "filosofia" tou politically correct me ton ellhniko=20
>ratsismo?

Epitelous, den einai apokleisthkothta Ellhnikh auto pou les!

>Egw den uposthri3a oute koutakia typou politically correct, oute fimwma
>logou, oute
>tampeles.
>Auto pou uposthrizw einai oti h glwssa mas exei oles autes tis xiliades
>ekfraseis pou

>uponooun diaforopoihsh kai ratsismo epeidh aKRIBWS ayto mas ekfrazei sa=
lao.
>Teleia.

Oxi mono emas! Neger, Spike, sou leei tipota?=20

>Autes 8a papsoun na uparxoun apo mones tous, mono otan suneidhtopoih8ei o
>ka8enas apo mas kai dextei oti to na xarakthrizeis kapoion ws skularapa
>de leei tipote kai oute dhlwnei epixeirhma enantion tou. Apla deixnei to
>xrwma tou dermatos tou.

OLOUS tous anthrwpous xenizei to diaforetiko, oti kai an einai auto.
Auto den mporeis na to dexteis san fysiologiko?? To afysiko kai POLY=20
epikindyno einai otan ftasoun sto shmeio na thewroun auto to "diaforetiko"=
=20
ton logo twn problhmatwn tous!

Tha eithela na hxera auto to politicaly correct "Egxrwmos" pou lene oi=20
Amerikanoi, pws sou fainetai?? Dhladh yparxoun oi egxrwmoi kai oi=20
leykoi??? Giati oxi oi mauroi kai oi egxrwmoi?? =20

>Oso gia to sxolio peri sunais8hmatikhs fortishs,
>mh mperdeueis thn poutsa me th bourtsa.
>
>To oti me ekneurizei h idea oti oi Ellhnares einai EllhNARES etsi,
> giati mas to ma8ane sto
>sxoleio h einai grammeno sta gonidia mas, den exei tipote na kanei

>me to an auta pou lew exoun validity h oxi. An exeis na apanthseis, exei=

kalws.
>Alliws mhn prospa3eis na ta upobibaseis apokalwntas ta "sunais8hmatikh
fortish".

Kale hremhse! Tha mas patheis kanena egkefaliko apo thn poly apousia=20
"synaisthimatikhs forthshs"!:)

>Lhda
>en Houston

Yiorgos

Yiorgos Flessas

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Lhda arxise na krazeis!!!!

Na poume gia tous Pontious pou ta anekdota gia autous mas ekanan=20

ratsistes? Oi Aggloi exoun tous Irlandous, oi Galloi tous Belgous,=20
e tou pousth, kai oi Amerikanoi kapoious tha exoun?!

Mhpws ftaiei to oti leme astynomikina kai oxi gynaika astynomikos??

To "diaforetiko" panta xenize kai panta tha xenizei. Milate gia thn=20
anthrwpinh fysh kai oxi gia Ellhnares opws toso poly sas aresei na=20
autoapokaleiste. An autos einai o ratsismos ston opoio anafereste=20
tote nai, mesa se OLOUS tous allous, einai kai oi Ellhnes ratsistes!

> > Oh, well, life is not fair

Georgios Melikidis

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Grafei h Lhda:

>Ti sxesh exei h "filosofia" tou politically correct me ton ellhniko ratsismo?

>Egw den uposthri3a oute koutakia typou politically correct, oute fimwma
>logou, oute
>tampeles.
>Auto pou uposthrizw einai oti h glwssa mas exei oles autes tis xiliades
>ekfraseis pou

>uponooun diaforopoihsh kai ratsismo epeidh aKRIBWS ayto mas ekfrazei sa lao.
>Teleia.

To 8ema einai an gnwrizeis kapoia glwssa se auton ton planhth
pou den exei ratsistikes ekfraseis. To o,ti mallon den uparxei
den apodeiknuei bebaia oti oi Ellhnes - eniote Ellhnares - den einai ratsistes,
h oti einai ligotero ratsistes, h den 3erw ki egw ti, alla 8a mporouse
kallista na sta8ei aformh gia merikes skeyeis gurw apo thn an8rwpinh
fush genika.

Kalo bebaia 8a htan se auth th fash ths suzhthshs na diaxwristoun kai
oi morfes ratsismou (ka8ws h le3h xrhsimopoieitai diarkws). Einai p.x.
to idio ta ratsistika anekdota me to na kinduneuei h zwh sou epeidh
eisai diaforetikos/h, h akomh xeirotera me to na pe8aineis epeidh eisai
diaforetikos; Autos o diaxwrismos bebaia den exei na kanei
me thn aponomh sugxwrhsews stous ligotero ratsistes, alla mia
kai oloi eimaste ratsistes, kalo einai na blepoume (na orisoume) ta oria
epikindunothtas....

Telos, diafwneis sto o,ti ta ratsistika anekdota (kai oi ekfraseis) dinoun
perissoteres plhrofories gi' autous pou ta lene, para gi' autous stous
opoious anaferontai; Mhpws telika emeis oi an8rwpoi 8a eixame
krish tautothtas an den uphrxan oi ka8e loghs Barbaroi;

Giwrgos
en Monasthriw

YG. xrhsimopoiw thn le3h ratsismos opws xrhsimopoietai
sth lista, dhl. xwris orismo, perigrafika. H le3h diaxwrismos (koinwnikos,
fuletikos, klp.) isws tairiaze kalutera an den parousiaze to
meionekthma, oti se kapoies morfes einai stoixeio ths an8rwpinhs
upar3hs.

Pantelis Topalis

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Gia na mhn mperdeyomaste . Sthn selida ths listas twn Uessalonikiwn sto
web yparxei perilhch ths apografhs toy Martioy 1916, ths prwths epishmhs
apografhs meta thn apeleyuerwsh ths polhs

http://euclid.iacm.forth.gr/~topalis/thes1910.html

Symfwna me ayth:
Mesa sthn polh oi Ellhnes htan 68204 kai oi Ebraioi 61400 .

Oi Ebraioi prin thn apeleyuerwsh DEN uelan na allajei h katastash giati
enw eixan mia kauierwmenh uesh kai strwmenes doyleies fobontoysan tis
anakatatajeis poy ua eferne h metabibash ths polhs apo toys Toyrkoys stoys
Ellhnes.

Epishs idiotypo einai kai to gegonos pws oi Ebraioi ths Uessalonikhs den
symmetexoyn kai den organwnontai para mono me megalh kauysterhsh me to
Symboylio twn Ebraiwn me edra th Geneyh poy apoteloyse tote ton pyrhna twn
apantaxoy Ebraiwn.

Ta parapanw proerxontai apo ta praktika toy symposioy me titlo " H
Uessalonikh meta to 1912" poy elabe xwra ypo thn aigiada toy dhmoy
Uessalonikhs stis 1-3/11/1985

Topito

Phidias Bourlas

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Grafei o Lewvidas Hrakleiwtns stnv Aggelikn Mparmperopoulou:
>
> H oysia einai pws kai meis kanoyme ta idia. Ek twn ysterwn ta
> dikaiologoyme -- opws kaneis esy -- gia na narkwsoyme thn
> syneidhsh mas.
>
H apavtnsn se ola ta stoixeia "katapiesewv" mousoulmavwv eivai oi
ari8moi twv pln8usmwv ellnvor8odo3wv Kwv/polews-Imbrou-Tevedou kai
mousoulmavwv Dut. 8rakns to 1923 kai to 1996. H apln sugkrisn autwv
twv ari8mwv eivai arketo epixeirnma. Kai apodeikvuei oti DEN kavame
ta idia. (Av kai isws 8a eprepe - va mas katngoreis toulaxistov
dikaiws!)
Kata t' alla gia tis duskolies twv mousoulmavwv tns 8rakns va
apoktouv xwrafia kai va xtizouv spitia, ti va poume;! Edw ligo akomn
kai 8a exouv agorasei oloklnrn tn 8rakn me xrnmata pou divei gia to
skopo auto n Tourkia!

kai stov Giwrgo Xomeritakh:
>
> > Toulaxiston xilies fores kalyterh apo thn antistoixh tourkikh
> > metaxeirish ths ellhnikhs meionothtas sthn Tourkia.
>
> Ma *TOSH* ypokrisia!
> Dhladh fernoyme toys eaytoys mas sto idio epipedo me thn Toyrkia;
> H Toyrkia apotelei to metro sygkrishs gia thn stash mas apenanti
> stis meionothtes; H Toyrkia;
>
Ta politismeva eurwpaika kratn (av upo8esoume oti ovtws eivai
politismeva) me ta opoia prepei upoti8etai va sugkrivoume tn
meiovotikn politikn mas, dev exouv dipla tous barbara kratn va
apeilouv tnv e8vikn tous kuriarxia kai autnv akomn tnv upar3n tous.
Otav mou epiti8etai evas fovias kai tov skotwvw amuvomevos, de
"fervw tov eauto mou sto idio epipedo" me to fovia.

H uperbolikn political correctness mas efage, ki etsi pou pame n
Dut. 8rakn 8a eivai n epomevn Kupros. Oi Tourkoi amfisbntouv eu8ews tn
suv8nkn tns Lwzavns. (Kai to asteio eivai oti prokeitai gia tn suv8nkn
tns nttas mas, pou av kapoiov adikei, logika autos 8a eprepe va eivai
o nttnmevos. Favtasteite loipov pou exoume ftasei twra!) Stelexn tou
State Department exouv dnlwsei pws n suv8nkn tns Lwzavns eivai palia
kai 8a prepei va ava8ewrn8ei gia va avtapokri8ei stn sugxrovn
katastasn! To sxedio uparxei kai emeis afnvoume tous Tourkous va
alwvizouv.
Oi Tourkoi avetreyav tn suv8nkn tns Lwzavns movomerws, ekdiwkovtas
tous Ellnves. Suvepws dev exoume kammia upoxrewsn pros tous
tourkogeveis mousoulmavous tns 8rakns. Ki oxi movo dev tous diwxvoume,
alla upoxrewvoume tous Pomakous va lambavouv tourkikn paideia kai
afnvoume ave3elegkta ta tourkika pro3eveia. Nai loipov, va kleisoume
ola ta elegxomeva apo tnv Tourkia idrumata, va didaskoume pomakika
tous mousoulmavous kai opoios dev tou aresei va pairvei dromo, me
to kalo n' me to asxnmo. "Tourkikn" meiovotnta = bnma 1o sto tourkiko
sxedio katalnyns tns 8rakns. Oi "Tourkoi" va 3nlw8ouv me ka8e tropo.
Proexei n uperaspisn twv uperterwv aga8wv tns e8vikns asfaleias kai
kuriarxias apo ta dn8ev meiovotika dikaiwmata.
De ftavouv oi die8veis suv8nkes kai orgavismoi. H diapragmateutikn
isxus kerdizetai me apofasistikn politikn, opws p.x.
Evisxusn twv Evoplwv Duvamewv.
Ekka8arisn tns 8rakns apo tous Tourkous.
Plngmata kata tourkikwv stoxwv.

>
> Aytoi poy skotwsan ton T.I. sa.i.ni moy htan oi uermokefaloi poy
> para tis ekklhseis ths Ellhnikhs kai Kypriakhs kybernhshs
> kabalhsan tis mhxanes toys kai phgan na kanoyn to kommati toys
> sthn prasinh grammh. Les kai o Klhridh den eixe alla problhmata
> sto kefali.
> An huelan na poylhsoyn tsampoyka oi mhxanobioi, na pairnan tis
> mhxanes toys kai na phgainan sth Sifno opoy parauerizei h
> Ellhnikh Kybernhsh kai na zhtoysan apotelesmatikoterh, staueroterh,
> pio ajiopisth, kai kalyterh ejwterikh politikh.
> Me Kawasaki, Tenere, papakia kai motopodhlata ejwterikh politikh
> den ginetai.
>
Autoi pou pngav "va poulnsouv tsampouka" de distasav va 8usiasouv
tn zwn tous, movo kai movo gia va dei3ouv stnv pagkosmia koivotnta kai
idiws stnv ellnvikn politikn ngesia kai koivn gvwmn oti n uparxousa
katastasn dev eivai kai de 8a givei pote avektn. Eav dev uparxouv kai
merikoi sav autous, de 8a upar3ei pote lusn tou kupriakou. (Giati va
upar3ei; Kala dev eimaste ki etsi;)
H 8usia tou Solwmou mporei va ntav ka8arn autoktovia kai va
skotw8nke xwris kaveis Tourkos va pa8ei tipota, alla to eav pnge
tzampa dev mporoume va to poume twra. Auto e3artatai apo to mellov.
O idios edwse o,ti eixe. H dikaiwsn tou 8avatou tou evapokeitai se
emas pou meivame zwvtavoi. Diko mas xreos eivai va tov dikaiwsoume.

>
> Lewnidas
>
F.M.

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Ta parakatw dev ta sBnvw gia va ta parete sto kravio av dev ta exete parei
akoma. Sugvwmn alla ta parakatw pou graftnkav me mia le3n eivai MALAKIEs. Polu
avalusn tou kwlou exei pesei mou faivetai kai dev 3erete ti sas givetai. Av
dev goustarete pou eiste ELlnves va pate va gamn0eite. Kai oi Amerikavoi exouv
to "It sounds Greek to me" dnladn ti va poume gi'auto. Pe pate va kavete
tipota research sto posto sas ki afnste tis malakies avaluseis. H polu zestn
sto kefalis as Barese. Lnda dev ta perimeva auta apo seva.

Aggelikn-se-eimai-ratsistria-kai-e0vikistria-kai-dev-mou
-to-ma0av-sto-sxoleio-fucking-mode

> Garfei o Shfhs kai o Mpillhs mazi kai xwria:)
> >>
> >> Ayto ginetai. P.x. Pontioi. Anekdota gia Pontious ksereis?
>
> Re paidia, sobaromileite?
>
> Dhladh, ta anekdota me toys Pontious gia poio logo eufeure8hkan?
> Giati den ekfrazoun ratsismo?
> Giati den ekfrazoun diaforopoihsh?
> Giati den einai o eusxhmos tropos twn Ellhnarwn na dei3oun thn "anwterothta
> " tous
> apenanti se allous ellhnes "katwteras uposta8mhs"?

> An uphrxe isothta ousiastikh de 8a uphrxe logos gia anekdota me Pontious kai

> de 3erw gw ti allo....
>

> >> Den yparxei ratsismos s'ayto to 8ema. Dhladh ama breis Ellhna pou 8a sou
> >> kanei mia douleia xwris IKA kai me liga lefta, de 8a ton protimhseis?
> >> Prosfora kai zhthsh einai.
>
> Alh8eia?
> Oxi, Basilh, einai 8ema ekmetalleushs..kai arnhshs tou ellhnara na kanei
> douleies
> beneath his social status (my ass)....
> >>

> >Biologia spoudazei to koritsi....Gi auto kai h euais0hsia gia to IKA:-)
>
> Egw eimai sto TSAY, neare:)
>
> >>Gegonos einai oti alla leme kai alla pisteoume. Kai pare paradeigma tous
> >>pontious... An kai perase h epoxh me ta anekdota...
>
> >>Exoun pleon aporofh0ei, isws giati aparnh0hkan na foran thn tampelitsa
> >>tou Pontiou, apo ntroph fobo anagkh.
>
> Me sugxwreis, alla adunatw na dw th logikh kai ta epixeirhmata pisw apo thn
> apopsh pou
> uposthrizeis, oti dhladh, sa laos exoume le3eis kai xarakthrismous pou den

> e3uphretoun h ekfrazoun apopseis alla briskontai etsi, gia na 3e8umainoume..

> Den uparxei kammia le3h pou uparxei xwris logo kai aitia. H upar3h tous

> fanerwnei oti ftiaxthkan gia na ekfrasoun katastaseis, sunais8hmata, idees..

> Epomenws, mh mou les oti leme :skularapas kai den to ennooume para aplws

> einai mia ekfrash opws to :mpakalhs....xwris upogeia sxolia kai ermhneies...
>
> >
> > koita na sou pw, an milhseis me ellhnoebraious de 8a sxhmatiseis ka8olou thn

> > entypwsh oti
> > h Elladara einai filoebrai.i.zousa...ka8olou malista..
> >
>
> Ki omws einai. Den einai filoIsrahlinh.
>
> Dhladh: h Ellada den agapaei to kratos tou Israhl, alla tous ebraious san
> aplous polites
> tous dexetai..
> Auto mou les, etsi?
>
> Kai giati parakalw den agapaei to kratos tou Israhl?

> Kai poious ebraious dexetai? tous ellhnes ebraious? tous amerikanous ebraious?

> tous ebraious polites ths diasporas?
>
> Me sugxwreis, alla to israhlinos einai amesh epektash ths idiothtas tou na
> einai kaneis

> ebraios, dioti an den uphrxan ebraioi, de 8a upjhrxe kai h anagkh na idru8ei

> kratos tou
> Israhl.
>
> >>Pali genikologeis kai apofeugeis to kentriko 0ema. DEn eimaste kaloi,
> alla polu kaluteroi apo tous allous...
>
> Poious allous den exw katalabei akomh...
> An kaneis ton kopo na mou fereis paradeigmata tote mporei na katallabw me
> poious mas
> sugkrineis kai mas briskeis kai anwterous kiolas...
>
> >>Ti 0es re Lhda;;; Na kanoume th glwssa pou klhronomhsame politically
> correct;;; Gia to onoma tou 0eou. An exoume mia uperhfaneia einai h
> glwssa ma kai h paradosh pou koubalaei kai exei xilies ekfraseis pou h
> kwloamerikh ths xarakthrizei ratsisikes. Skata sta moutra tous kai
> elpizw na mhn aspazese tetoies filosofies... Giati oloi oi megaloi
> logotexnes 0a ginoun apo th mia stigmh sthn allh ratsistes... Otan
> milame gia eleu0ereia tou logou, ti ennooume;;;
>
>

> Ti sxesh exei h "filosofia" tou politically correct me ton ellhniko ratsismo?
> Egw den uposthri3a oute koutakia typou politically correct, oute fimwma
> logou, oute
> tampeles.
> Auto pou uposthrizw einai oti h glwssa mas exei oles autes tis xiliades
> ekfraseis pou
> uponooun diaforopoihsh kai ratsismo epeidh aKRIBWS ayto mas ekfrazei sa lao.
> Teleia.
>

> Autes 8a papsoun na uparxoun apo mones tous, mono otan suneidhtopoih8ei o
> ka8enas apo mas kai dextei oti to na xarakthrizeis kapoion ws skularapa
> de leei tipote kai oute dhlwnei epixeirhma enantion tou. Apla deixnei to
> xrwma tou dermatos tou.
>

> Oso gia to sxolio peri sunais8hmatikhs fortishs,
> mh mperdeueis thn poutsa me th bourtsa.
>
> To oti me ekneurizei h idea oti oi Ellhnares einai EllhNARES etsi,
> giati mas to ma8ane sto
> sxoleio h einai grammeno sta gonidia mas, den exei tipote na kanei
> me to an auta pou lew exoun validity h oxi. An exeis na apanthseis, exei

kalws.
> Alliws mhn prospa3eis na ta upobibaseis apokalwntas ta "sunais8hmatikh
fortish".
>

> Lhda
> en Houston

>
>
>
>
> to arxidiabolaki >:->
>
> Lida Anestidou
> UT Medical School at Houston
> Dept of Integrative Biology
> 713-7925436
>

--
Gluko vero stnv kolasn 0a pioume edw mazi sou emeis pou megalwsame me tnv
avapvon sou......
Movo va se dw va servesai sav to skoulnki ki as pe0avw meta..

Leo J. Irakliotis

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Grafei h Ntalikierisa:

>Auto pou les dev eivai ratsismos eivai diakriseis. Katse kai des tnv diafora
>prwtou peta3eis tipota.

An eixes mauei n' anoigeis kanena biblio prin anoijeis to stoma soy
ua eleges ligoteres malakies. Akomh ki ena aplo lejiko ua soy
mauaine pws ratsismos einai h uewria ths fyletikhs anwterothtas
h opoia ypagoreyei diakriseis se baros allwn omadwn.

Afoy loipon paradexesai toylaxiston pws kanoyme diakriseis, mporeis
na moy peis poy ofeilontai;

Egw lew se ratsismo. Esy diafwneis profanws dioti exeis entopisei
allh aitia. Poia;

Lewnidas

Leo J. Irakliotis

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Leei o Feidias:

> H apavtnsn se ola ta stoixeia "katapiesewv" mousoulmavwv eivai oi
>ari8moi twv pln8usmwv ellnvor8odo3wv Kwv/polews-Imbrou-Tevedou kai
>mousoulmavwv Dut. 8rakns to 1923 kai to 1996. H apln sugkrisn autwv
>twv ari8mwv eivai arketo epixeirnma. Kai apodeikvuei oti DEN kavame

Re Feidia, h sygkrish me thn Toyrkia gia mena einai aparadekto
pragma kai den mporei na dikaiologhuei apo kamia sygkyria,
gewgrafikh, politikh, oikonomikh, k.a.

Oi Toyrkoi brhkan kai ta kanan. Mprabo toys. Makari na 'xame
kai meis tetoioys tsampoykades sta ypoyrgeia mas kai sta epiteleia mas
na kanan ta idia. Omws den exoyme. Den mas ftain oi Toyrkoi
gi ayto. Den th goystarw ayth th metauesh twn eyuynwn.

Yphrxe kapote enas Mixalhs Doyntas toy opoioy oi apoceis gia to
Kypriako htan komataki zorikes. Ton diwjane. Poioi ton diwjane;
Oi eklegmenoi antiproswpoi toy Ellhnikoy laoy. Giati den toys
aresan ayta poy 'lege.

Gia xronia h Ellada akoloyuei mia sxizofrenikh politikh: apo th
mia epirriptei eyuynes stoys jenoys gia ta problhmata ths, kai
apo thn allh kremetai ap' t' arxidia twn jenwn opote o Toyrkos
gryllizei.

Fysika h Urakh mporei na einai h epomenh Kypros. Ayto egrafa
prin 3-4 meres. Kai rwtoysa: ti kanoyme gia na apotrecoyme
ena tetoio endexomeno; H Urakh re Feidia marazei. Pws na
mhn strefontai sthn Toyrkia gia bohueia oi Moysoylmanoi ekei;
Se ligo ua strafoyn kai oi Xristianoi, dioti h Auhna koimatai.
Kanan ena panepisthmio ekei kai nomizoyn pws ayto htan?

Anaptyjh reeeeeee, isxyrh oikonomia, zwtikh uesh sthn
Eyrwph, ejyphrethsh symferontwn reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.

Lewnidas ............................. Siga, h patris koimatai!

ucesaba

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Grafei o doktoras:
> Lhda den eipa pote pws oi Ellhnes den einai ratsistes (kai den
> xreiasthke -- se antiuesh me sena --- na bgw sto ejwteriko gia
> na to diapistwsw). Pagia uesh moy tosa xronia kai mesa sthn
> HELLAS einai gia ton ratsismo poy mas xarakthrizei ws fylh.
> Kaue eidoys ratsismo: koinwniko, fyletiko, ktl.
> Lewnidas

tnv karamelitsa exeis ma0ei va tnv pipilas kala. Opws oloi edw pera ola ta
metafrazeis ws ratsistika.

Auto pou les dev eivai ratsismos eivai diakriseis. Katse kai des tnv diafora
prwtou peta3eis tipota.

Katakanmeve....

Lida Anestidou

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Giwrgakh,
snip snip oti egrapses giati exeis xasei to nohma.

Me duo logia:
h ousia einai oti emeis de paradexomaste ton ratsismo mas.
Teleia.
Ti sxesh exei ti kanoun oi alloi laoi?
Emena me noiazei to oti eimaste gamw tous ratsistes kai den to anagnwrizoume
kai
oute pou mas perna apo to mualo.
An diafwneis, dikaiwma sou...

Lhda

en houston, the lone star state

Joseph Kostakis

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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, astropeleki wrote:

> Ta parakatw dev ta sBnvw gia va ta parete sto kravio av dev ta exete parei
> akoma. Sugvwmn alla ta parakatw pou graftnkav me mia le3n eivai MALAKIEs. Polu
> avalusn tou kwlou exei pesei mou faivetai kai dev 3erete ti sas givetai. Av
> dev goustarete pou eiste ELlnves va pate va gamn0eite. Kai oi Amerikavoi exouv
> to "It sounds Greek to me" dnladn ti va poume gi'auto. Pe pate va kavete
> tipota research sto posto sas ki afnste tis malakies avaluseis. H polu zestn
> sto kefalis as Barese. Lnda dev ta perimeva auta apo seva.
>
> Aggelikn-se-eimai-ratsistria-kai-e0vikistria-kai-dev-mou
> -to-ma0av-sto-sxoleio-fucking-mode
>

Re Leo, to adikhses to koritsi. Apla prospoieitai oti den katalabainei.
ektos ki an exei aplws eklampseis....

Shfakas o meraklhs

Lida Anestidou

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Aggelikh grafei:

>Ta parakatw dev ta sBnvw gia va ta parete sto kravio av dev ta exete parei
>akoma. Sugvwmn alla ta parakatw pou graftnkav me mia le3n eivai MALAKIEs. Polu
>avalusn tou kwlou exei pesei mou faivetai kai dev 3erete ti sas givetai. Av
>dev goustarete pou eiste ELlnves va pate va gamn0eite. Kai oi Amerikavoi exouv
>to "It sounds Greek to me" dnladn ti va poume gi'auto. Pe pate va kavete
>tipota research sto posto sas ki afnste tis malakies avaluseis. H polu zestn
>sto kefalis as Barese. Lnda dev ta perimeva auta apo seva.
>
>Aggelikn-se-eimai-ratsistria-kai-e0vikistria-kai-dev-mou
>-to-ma0av-sto-sxoleio-fucking-mode

Sorry, koukla, alla exeis mperdepsei thn poutsa me th bourtsa..

Ta bazeis ola se ena tsoubali kai opoion parei o xaros.

To perimenes den to perimenes apo mena, einai apopsh mou..
esu bgaineis
kai xeirokrotas tis malakies tou Papara kai tou Gabrilou...kai taytizesai
me tis alloprosales mpourdes tous..dikaiwma sou..

den h3era oti mono ama sumfwnw apoluta me tis apopseis sou
mporw na xarakthrizomai ellhnida, alliws mauro fidi pou m'efage..

Ma eisai sobarh twra?

Lhda

Lida Anestidou

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Giwrgo,
de diafwnw pou8ena.
Oxi de 3erw kammia glwssa pou na mhn exei ratsistikes ekfraseis, kai
oxi-pros 8eou-
fusika einai xeirotero na kinduneuei h zwh sou epeidh eisai mauros apo to na
eisai
antikeimeno anekdotwn

Twra, gia tous barbarous...ti na pw...oti leei kai o Kabafhs:
"oi an8rwpoi autoi hsan mia kapoia lush.."

Lhda
en Houston in the lone star state

Joseph Kostakis

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On Sat, 17 Aug 1996, [dimitri Tamalis] wrote:

> On Fri, 16 Aug 1996, Joseph Kostakis wrote:
>
> > Gegonos einai oti alla leme kai alla pisteoume. Kai pare paradeigma tous
> > pontious... An kai perase h epoxh me ta anekdota...
> >
> > Exoun pleon aporofh0ei, isws giati aparnh0hkan na foran thn tampelitsa
> > tou Pontiou, apo ntroph fobo anagkh.
>

> Nato kai to zoumi!
> Ntropn, fobo kai avagkn eipes re Snfn;
> Kai gw pou vomiza oti diafwvouses me tn Lnda pavw sto sugkekrimevo zntnma :-)

Nai. otan payoun na einai kati allo apo Ellhnes kai apofasisoun na
enswmatw0oun plhrws ginontai entelws dektoi. An oi Pontioi ftia3an ta
dika tous xwria kai apofasisan na einai meionothta tote h antimetwpish
apo tous alous einai diaforetikh. To idio sumbainei kai me tous guftous
kai to idio me tous Mousoulmanous...

> Dev kserw ta biwmata sou, aplws opws kai n Lnda kapote kai gia polu kairo
> aspazomouva kai egw ta pisteuw sou se auto. To kolpo brisketai oxi sto ti
> vomizoume oti avtilambavomaste n' ti mas aresei va avtilambavomaste emeis
> alla pws exouv ta pragmata gia autous pou pairvei n mpora.
> Ara sto erwtnma "uparxei ratsismos stnv Ellada" prepei opwsdnpote va
> exeis tn sumboln autwv pou 0a mporousav va epnreastouv arvntika apo autov.
>
>

{spins}

>
> Polu kalyteroi; Posw 0a mou arese kati tetoio!
> Dev mporw va diabazw to mualo tou ka0evos kai va kserw ti skeftetai alla
> stnv Ellada av katebw stnv agora opwsdnpote 0a akousw ta suvn0ismeva: gia
> tous guftous idiaitera stnv poln mou 0a akouseis polla alla mexri kai gia
> tous Amerikavous kai to poso xazoi eivai evw o omilwv prepei va exei pavw

> tou ekato snmadia apo tnv koultoura tous.
Edw exeis dikio pws o sxoliasmos exei megales diastaseis se agores. Alla
pali h ratsistikh glwssa de sunepagetai ratsistikh sumperifora. Ki an
fwnazoume sta ghpeda Boulgarous sapounia kai oti allo mas kateuei de
shmainei oti eimaste ratsistes. Apla den eimaste P.C.

Exei nomizw diafora...

> Edw stnv kevtrikn Amerikn toulaxistov dev suvavtas tetoia peristatika se
> tetoia suxvotnta.

Edw sthn Kentrikh amerikh (USA) exei kati rednecks tou xeiroterou eidous
pou nomizoun oti einia anwteroi apo tous mautous kai den 3eroun an
uparxoun alloi laoi e3w apo to state tous, giati oute ta media oute
kanenas tous probalei sth TV. Mono ama pas se kanena sxoleio kai deis
international students...

> Poioi eivai kaluteroi; Dustuxws emeis pavtws oxi.
>

Kamia sugkrish pali. Edw einai ratsistaroi giati de dexontai na akousoun
alla pragmata kai krubontai pisw apo to P.C.

>
> Dnmntrns o 0esprwtos

Shfakas o meraklhs

Vassilis Kostovassilis

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> >Ki esy epimeneis na mhn katalabaineis oti h prospa8eia sou einai akairh.
> >Giati briskomaste se stigmes pen8ous. Kai tetoies stigmes, h siwph einai
> >xrysos.
> Poioi briskontai se stigmes penuoys re Basilh;
> H HELLAS poy anexthke to ybreologio toy Kwnstantinidh gia th
> mana toy Akh;

E oxi kai na pianoume sto stoma mas ton megalo agwnisth tou termatikou,
pou proetrepe tous Ellhnes na paroun ta opla, enw aytos kratouse to
fax tou.

> H Ellhnikh Kybernhsh; Xtes akoyga to deltio eidhsewn kai htan
> sa n' akoyga deltio dromologiwn apo to limani toy Peiraia:
> Prwuypoyrgos-Sifnos, Yp.Amynas-Kefallonia, Yp.Ejwterikwn-Mykonos,
> Proedros Dhmokratias-Paros, Yp.Eswterikwn-Patmos,...
> O Ellhnikos laos; Poios penuei;

Opoios goustarei pen8ei. Oi ypoloipoi kanoun diakopes kai kritikh.

> Afhnoyme thn oysia kai pianoyme to "timing"?
> Den eimaste kala moy fainetai.
> Lewnidas

Prosekse Leo, na deis ti symbainei:

Pe8ainei kapoios kai pas sthn khdeia tou.
Arxizoun oi epikhdeioi, oloi lene kala logia gia to nekro.
Ki erxesai esy: "Kserete, enas sygxwrianos tou nekrou eixe skotwsei
kapote enan Tourko".
Ksafnika niw8eis na drosizesai. Nomizeis oti psixalizei kai synexizeis
aptohtos: "O mpatzanakhs tou o desmofylakas eixe deirei enan
kratoumeno sth fylakh mexri 8anatou".
H broxh dynamwnei. Mono pou den einai broxh, einai roxales.
Kai aporeis: "Ma giati? Afou thn alh8eia lew!"
E, mhn aporeis.

Vassilis

Nikos Sarantakos

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Na pw kai egw th gnwmh mou sth syzhthsh pou anoi3e peri ratsismou,
antishmitismou kai ellhnikhs glwssas.

Nai, safws uparxei sthn Ellada ratsismos.
Nai, safws uparxei sthn Ellada antishmitismos.
Wstoso, den pisteuw oti apodei3h gia thn upar3h tous apoteloun oi
paroimies, oi ekfraseis kai ta loipa stoixeia ths glwssas mas, tou
tupou "Xabra Ioudaiwn" kai ta sunafh, dhladh ta "eqnika stereotupa"
opws exw akousei na ta lene.

Dioti, tetoies ekfraseis exoun oloi (upoqetw) oi laoi gia olous tous
geitones tous .h. genikotera gia tous allous laous me tous opoious
exoun paredwse. Opote, an auto einai apodei3h ratsismou, mhpws
sunepagetai oti oloi einai ratsistes? Ma tote... giati einai kakos o
ratsismos??? Opote, isws na mhn einai etsi.

Exoun omws pragmati oloi oi laoi "epilhpsimes" ekfraseis? Den bazw
kai to xeri mou sth fwtia, alla idou merika e3wtika paradeigmata:
Sth Notia Esqonia, alla kai sthn Polwnia, h le3h njemts kai niemiec
antistoixws (= Germanos) shmainei diabolos. Sthn Esqonia pantote, h
alogomuga legetai "laetlane" pou qa pei epishs Lettonos. H rwsikh
le3h gia thn katsarida einai "prusak" kai etumologeitai apo tous
Prwsous (Auta apo arqro tou F.Oinas sto "Proverbium", vol. 15, p.
89).

Alla kai sthn Ellada, oi "epilhpsimes" ekfraseis kai paroimies htan,
ws fainetai, polu perissoteres palaiotera. Antigrafw apo ton 4o
tomo twn paroimiwn tou Nikolaou Polith (ergo eqnikhs shmasias, 4
tomoi tou opoiou ekdoqhkan to 1900-1901 enw oi upoloipoi 20 tomoi
paramenoun anekdotoi pros do3an tou glamorous ellhnikou kratous)
merikes paroimies apo to lhmma "Ebraios":

- Alarga apo Obrio ki apo skuli (Dioti amfoteroi einai akaqartoi)
- Brwmei o Obrios, brwmei kai to exei tou.
- Ebraios ozei kai brwmei kai olh tou h qhkh (Buzantinh)
- Euqus pou ggizeis ton Obrio, to mati tou fwnazei
- Na kah o Obrios kai to malin tou (= ta kthmata tou)
- Obrio baftizeis, petsi kopanizeis (dhl. mataioponeis)
- O qeos na se fula3ei apo mouflouzh ebraio
- San Obrios fwnazei, san Obrios ftunei
- To skuli ki o Obrios brwmoun.

Loipon? Prin apo enan aiwna legontan autes oi paroimies. Twra den
legontai. Stamathse mhpws na uparxei antishmitismos?

Pantws, egw toulaxiston protimw kapoion pou exei aprepeis ekfraseis
sto le3ilogio tou gia tous geitones tou apo kapoion pou tous
skotwnei. Protimw mia glwssa me xilia duo apomeinaria ratsistikwn,
se3istikwn kai den summazeuetai antilhpsewn apo thn upokritikh
glwssa twn e3ousiwn. Sth diplanh mou Gallia, kanena deltio eidhsewn
den leei pia "astegos". Leei S.D.F. pou shmainei "sans domicile
fixe", dhladh "xwris staqerh katoikia" (kai o Omar Sarif einai xwris
staqerh katoikia"). Ki etsi, einai pio eukolo na akoume tis krues
nuxtes tou xeimwna oti ki allos enas SDF breqhke nekros, pagwmenos
sto dromo.

Mallon eipa polla,

Nikos Sarantakos
Luxembourg

Leo J. Irakliotis

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Leei o Basilhs:

>Pe8ainei kapoios kai pas sthn khdeia tou.

Xaritwmenh istoria. An eixe kai kapoia sxesh me thn
pragmatikothta ua htan akomh kalyterh.

Lewnidas

Yiorgos Flessas

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At 11:15 =F0.=EC. 19/08/1996 -0500, Lida Anestidou wrote:

>Giwrgakh,=20

Aaaaaa, to ypokoristiko na to parw san endeixh oikeiothtas h san=20
"mikro paidi xara gemato"?

>snip snip oti egrapses giati exeis xasei to nohma.

Auto paizetai!

>Me duo logia:
>h ousia einai oti emeis de paradexomaste ton ratsismo mas.
>Teleia.
>Ti sxesh exei ti kanoun oi alloi laoi?

Oi opoioi ton paradexontai fysika!(?)

>Emena me noiazei to oti eimaste gamw tous ratsistes kai den to=
anagnwrizoume
>kai=20

>oute pou mas perna apo to mualo.

Me alla logia, anagnwrizeis oti eisai KAI esy ratsisths. Swsta?
To anagnwrizeis? Den to anagnwrizeis? Eisai? Den eisai? =20
Den xerw/den apantw?

>An diafwneis, dikaiwma sou...

Den katalabes se ti diafwnw ap'oti blepw.....

>Lhda

Yiorgos

Yiorgos Flessas

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At 11:34 =EC.=EC. 18/08/1996 -0500, [dimitri Tamalis] wrote:

>Egrapse o Flessas (parepiptwvtws mnpws eivai suvn0ismevo to epi0eto sou
>giati eixame eva geitova me to idio):

Ama sou pw oti exw parei mail apo thn Montana, me onoma Georgos Flessas,=20
tha to pistepseis?? 3hs h 4hs geneas Ellhnoamerikanos to paidi!!

>> At 08:48 =3DEC.=3DEC. 16/08/1996 -0500, [dimitri Tamalis] wrote:
>> >Oso de gia to 0ema to ratsismou eivai geloio kai movo va isxyrizomaste=

oti
>> >dev uparxei pisw stnv patrida. Ta peristatika pou exouv dei ta matia mou
>> >kai exouv akousei ta autia mou mesw tritwv 0a gemizav tomous.
>> >Leme oti dev exoume ratsismo giati mas evoxlei n tampela, giati dev
>> >avexomaste kamia prosboln pros tnv poluagapnmevn mas Elladitsa kai giati

>> >mas aresei va eimaste kaluteroi apo tous ksevous oxi giati katsame estw=
kai
>> >mia stigmn va skeftoume av uparxouv oi ka0e fusews "diaforetikoi" kai=

pws
>> >avtimetwpizovtai apo to koivwviko suvolo.
>> >Tnv epomevn fora pou 0a pate Ellada prospa0nste gia eva 24wro movo va
>> >euais0ntopoin0eite kai va katagrapsete tis ekfraseis kai tis prakseis
>> >filwv sas pou 0a mporousav va 0ewrn0ouv ratsistikes. Stoixnmatizw oti o

>> >ari0mos 0a sas ekplnksei. Me alla logia to ti=

guftos/poustns/arapns/albavos
>> >kai tn ksediavtropn pseutoavwterotnta 0a pesei dev legatai.
>>

>> Kontoi, pshloi, xontroi, adynatoi, asxhmoi, omorfoi, plousioi, ftwxoi,=3D=
20
>> swmatarades, dioptrofwroi, xanthies, exypnoi, xazoi, eparxiwtes,=3D20
>> prwteyousianoi, mayroi, kitrinoi, leykoi, omofylofiloi, pornes,=3D20
>> geroi, gries, pitsirikades... na shnexisw???=3D20
>> Ase giati ginetai kourastiko!=3D20
>>
>> Oloi exoun ginei antikeimeno xleyasmou se OLA ta mhkh kai plath ths=3D20

>> Ghs!
>
>Sumfwvw me osa les Giwrgo alla egw apla avafer0nka stov Ellnviko ratsismo
>kai eipa oti kata tnv gvwmn mou uparxei kai malista se megalutero ba0mo
>ap' oti se alles dutikes xwres kai sugkekrimeva tnv Amerikn. Epipleov
>pros0esa oti apex0avomai tnv upokrisia/agvoia mas sto 0ema me to va leme
>oti emeis dev exoume problnma. Ti va kavoume n pswrokwstaiva eivai n
>patrida mas, autn mas povaei, gia autn 0a milame estw kai av prokeitai
>gia ta asxnma.
>Oso gia auta pou egrapses kala ekaves giati eprepe va eipw0ouv etsi wste
>va te0ei to olo 0ema se gevikotero plaisio.
>Bebaia sto sugkekrimevo zntnma isws kai va gevikeuoume ligo kai va to
>proseggizoume apo tnv koivwvikn tou pleura evw emeva me evdiaferouv pio
>polu oi apopseis kai oi prakseis sugkekrimevwv atomwv: apokaleis p.x. esu
>evav mauro ws "skularapa" (to arapns to nksera alla auto to paragwgo to
>prwtoakousa priv 3 xrovia edw apo Ellnva foitntn) n' oi filoi sou, poios
>o logos pou to kaveis kai poia av uparxei n avtidrasn sou se autous (tous
>filous evvow).

H antidrash mou?? An prokeitai gia anekdoto, an einai kalo tha gelasw,=20
an oxi tha pw oti htan fola. An omws to pragma ginei proswpiko, p.x.=20
"diwxton ton skylarapa/gyfto/pousth/albano h kala tous kanoun kai tous=20
barane" ktlp (nomizw katalabaineis to pneyma) e, tote pragmati milame
gia ratsismo, me ola ta fobera pou synepagetai. =20

Nai, exw xalasei filies gia tetoia themata, akoma kai sxesh exw xalasei!
Den einai omws oti apla ta mazeyw kai feygw. An autos pou brisketai=20
apenanti, afou tou pw oti telos pantwn tou pw (exartatai pantote apo thn=20
proswpikothta kai ton xarakthra tou kathenos), katalabei tis malakeies pou=
=20
leei, tote exei kalws. Pernei xarh mexri na dw sthn praxh ti tha kanei thn=
=20
epomenh fora. Eidallws.......... Sorry no bonus. Game over! (kai oxi toso=
=20
eygenika!)

Den fobamai na pw th gnwmh mou gia auto pou me enoxlei panw se kapoion,=20
akoma kai an auto me bazei sto perithwrio. Posoi omws mporoun na to=20
kanoun auto?

Yiorgos

Vassilis Kostovassilis

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> Kala sou leei re Kwstomplampla, bale kai kanena drako sthn istoria sou na
> dwsei kai ligo holywoodiano styl. Alla twra kei katw sto Texas tosa
> xronia ti koultoura na epidei3eis:-)
> Tsss...tsss...

Bre ratsisth, me les xwriath dhladh?
Kozaniwth, e Kozaniwth!:-)

Vassilis

Lida Anestidou

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Aug 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/19/96

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Apanta xaritwmena to paidaki mas apo thn Intrakom:
>
>>Giwrgakh,

>
>Aaaaaa, to ypokoristiko na to parw san endeixh oikeiothtas h san

>"mikro paidi xara gemato"?

amfotera, Giwrgakh mou:))))

>
>Oi opoioi ton paradexontai fysika!(?)

DE M'ENDIAFEREI TI KANOUN OI ALLOI, PWS TO LENE RE GAMWTI?

>
>Me alla logia, anagnwrizeis oti eisai KAI esy ratsisths. Swsta?
>To anagnwrizeis? Den to anagnwrizeis? Eisai? Den eisai?

>Den xerw/den apantw?

em, esu ti nomises? oti egw eimai h e3airesh ston kanona?
fusika kai exw ena swro tetopies kataboles.
h mpas kai nomises oti 8a ntrapw na sto pw?
aplws de baukalizomai oti den eimai h to oti eimai ellhnida mou
sbhnei ooooola ta elatwmata kai me kanei ..te'leia.

Lhda
apo to lone star state

Joseph Kostakis

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Kala sou leei re Kwstomplampla, bale kai kanena drako sthn istoria sou na
dwsei kai ligo holywoodiano styl. Alla twra kei katw sto Texas tosa
xronia ti koultoura na epidei3eis:-)

Tsss...tsss...

> Lewnidas
>
Koultouriarhdes olou tou kosmou enw0eite.

Shfakas o meraklhs

Joseph Kostakis

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Aug 19, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/19/96

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On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Vassilis Kostovassilis wrote:

> > Kala sou leei re Kwstomplampla, bale kai kanena drako sthn istoria sou na
> > dwsei kai ligo holywoodiano styl. Alla twra kei katw sto Texas tosa
> > xronia ti koultoura na epidei3eis:-)
> > Tsss...tsss...
>

> Bre ratsisth, me les xwriath dhladh?
> Kozaniwth, e Kozaniwth!:-)

Kala pou de me eipes Sourdo, giati molis gurisei o mpoukas alimono sou,
kai e0ea0hke ston Porku me polu provocative peribolh. Einai polu
proxwrhmenoi oi kozaniwtes. Ti mas perases dhladhs; Aaaa, kwloxwriatous???

Pantws omws prepei na paradextw oti uparxei kapoia morfh texnhs ekei
katw, apo oso prolaba na dw to skalisma sthn gklitsa tou tseligka.
>
> Vassilis
>

Shfakas o meraklhs

PS: Oupss, paraligo na 3exasw kai ta diashma mpaleta:-)

Yiorgos Flessas

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Pros0etei a0wa h mpempa apo ta giatradika tou Houston:

>Apanta xaritwmena to paidaki mas apo thn Intrakom:
>
>>>Giwrgakh,
>>
>>Aaaaaa, to ypokoristiko na to parw san endeixh oikeiothtas h san
>>"mikro paidi xara gemato"?
>
>amfotera, Giwrgakh mou:))))

MOU??? Eipe mou??? Xriste ki'Apostole!! Tetoia palirroia agaphs,
ti ekana gia na dextw tetoia xara??? Pws tha kataferw na antapexelthw
stis eythines?? :)))))

>>Oi opoioi ton paradexontai fysika!(?)
>DE M'ENDIAFEREI TI KANOUN OI ALLOI, PWS TO LENE RE GAMWTI?

Poly sou paei otan anapsokikkinizeis!! ;-))

>>Me alla logia, anagnwrizeis oti eisai KAI esy ratsisths. Swsta?
>>To anagnwrizeis? Den to anagnwrizeis? Eisai? Den eisai?
>>Den xerw/den apantw?
>
>em, esu ti nomises? oti egw eimai h e3airesh ston kanona?

O kanonas pou edwses leei oti oi Ellhnes DEN paradexontai oti
einai ratsistes kai oute tous pernaei apo to myalo tous kati tetoio.
To oti den eisai h exairesh ston kanona shmainei oti oute esy
paradexesai pws eisai ratsisths.

>fusika kai exw ena swro tetopies kataboles.
>h mpas kai nomises oti 8a ntrapw na sto pw?
>aplws de baukalizomai oti den eimai h to oti eimai ellhnida mou
>sbhnei ooooola ta elatwmata kai me kanei ..te'leia.

Ela sthn parea mas......telei'a! :)

>Lhda
>apo to lone star state

Yiorgos
apo to spiti mou mallon........

ucesaba

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> >Aggelikn-se-eimai-ratsistria-kai-e0vikistria-kai-dev-mou
> >-to-ma0av-sto-sxoleio-fucking-mode
>
>
> Sorry, koukla, alla exeis mperdepsei thn poutsa me th bourtsa..

Nomizw 0a prepei va ma0eis kai kamia aln ekfrasn giati teleutaia tnv
xrnsimopoieis arketa suxva ki auto deixvei elleiyn le3ilogiou my friend.

> Ta bazeis ola se ena tsoubali kai opoion parei o xaros.

Ki eseis to idio kavete kai malista dev koitate tnv ousia...

> To perimenes den to perimenes apo mena, einai apopsh mou..
> esu bgaineis
> kai xeirokrotas tis malakies tou Papara kai tou Gabrilou...kai taytizesai
> me tis alloprosales mpourdes tous..dikaiwma sou..

O Nick o gavrielatos ki o Papadas exouv gamw tis apoyeis gi'auto eivai kai ta
atoma pou 0a ekava perissotero parea apo olous. Ama tov gvwrizes tov Papada 0a
katalabaives poso gamato atomo eivai.

> den h3era oti mono ama sumfwnw apoluta me tis apopseis sou
> mporw na xarakthrizomai ellhnida, alliws mauro fidi pou m'efage..
> Ma eisai sobarh twra?
> Lhda

Perissotero apo oso vomizeis. Kai tov teleutaio kairo toulaxistov esu kai o
LEO 0elete va mnv xaraktnrizeste Tourkofiloi. Amerikavofiloi, die0vistes evw
to movo pou sas voiazei eivai va Breiete oti strabo givetai stnv ellada gia va
to diatumpavisete kai va 0ayete ka0e kaln prospa0eia kai va tnv ovomasete
avousia. Ama eseis prospa0eite gia to kalo tns elladas 0a mas kayei o 0eos...

ucesaba

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Aug 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/20/96

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Grafei o anisoropos:

> On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, astropeleki wrote:
>
> > Ta parakatw dev ta sBnvw gia va ta parete sto kravio av dev ta exete parei
> > akoma. Sugvwmn alla ta parakatw pou graftnkav me mia le3n eivai MALAKIEs.
Polu
> > avalusn tou kwlou exei pesei mou faivetai kai dev 3erete ti sas givetai. Av
> > dev goustarete pou eiste ELlnves va pate va gamn0eite. Kai oi Amerikavoi
exouv
> > to "It sounds Greek to me" dnladn ti va poume gi'auto. Pe pate va kavete
> > tipota research sto posto sas ki afnste tis malakies avaluseis. H polu zestn
> > sto kefalis as Barese. Lnda dev ta perimeva auta apo seva.
> >
> > Aggelikn-se-eimai-ratsistria-kai-e0vikistria-kai-dev-mou
> > -to-ma0av-sto-sxoleio-fucking-mode
> >

> Re Leo, to adikhses to koritsi. Apla prospoieitai oti den katalabainei.
> ektos ki an exei aplws eklampseis....
> Shfakas o meraklhs

Ase mas re merakln apo dw pera...Esu katse va avalueis....otav sou pairvouv to
spiti.

ucesaba

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Aug 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/20/96

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> Grafei h Ntalikierisa:

>
> >Auto pou les dev eivai ratsismos eivai diakriseis. Katse kai des tnv diafora
> >prwtou peta3eis tipota.

> Afoy loipon paradexesai toylaxiston pws kanoyme diakriseis, mporeis
> na moy peis poy ofeilontai;
>
> Egw lew se ratsismo. Esy diafwneis profanws dioti exeis entopisei
> allh aitia. Poia;

E3upvakia doktora av exeis dei stnv Agglikn glwssa uparxei kai to
discrimination kai to racism ki eivai diaforetika.
egw 0a sou dwsw eva paradeigma. Mou tnv eixe pesei evas mauros stnv Trafalgar
square xwris va 3erei apo pou eimai kai mas ta eprn3e olns tns pareas mas
epeidn tou eipa va fugei kai va mas afnsei oti:" autoi douleuouv gia mas (oi
mauroi, oti eivai pernfavos pou eivai NotioAfrikavs klp klp". Kai fusika egw
tou apavtnsa "I don't give a shit where you come from". Tou eipa oti exei
proBlnma me tous leukous klp klp. To proBlnma tou ratsismou dev proerxetai apo
emas alla apo tous idious tosu skularapes pou exouv komple3 katwterotntos ki
oti ki av tou peis dev dexetai oti dev sumfwveis mazi tous alla oti to kaveis
giati eivai mauros.
Diakriseis givovtai kai stov xwro ergasias gia va diale3ouv tov upallnlo ama
to pareis etsi dev Briskeis akrn. Kai diakriseis 0a uparxouv efosov eimaste
diaforetikoi ektos av esu 0eleis va eimaste oloi to idio kai va leme ta idia.

P.S. Perpatwvtas x0es me tnv Sofia stnv mia meria tou Tamesn paratnrnsame to
Clink Museum me agglika mesaiwvika Basavistnria polu evdiaferovta. Skeftnka
amesws va ta dokimasw epavw sou n stov PFK gia va dw av douleuouv. Pote
mporoume va exoume kapoio epaggelmatiko ravtebou?

Aggelikn-se-prospa0eia-e3ovtwsns-tns-eirnveutikns-fwvns-stnv-hellas-mode

ucesaba

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> Amolaei pali h Ntalikierisa:

>
> >E3upvakia doktora av exeis dei stnv Agglikn glwssa uparxei kai to
> >discrimination kai to racism ki eivai diaforetika.
>

> Me sygxwreis alla egw o Toyrkoamerikanofilos synhuizw na milaw
> Ellhnika. Esy poy eisai Ellhnida 24 karatiwn giati moy to gyrnas
> sto aggliko?
>
> Kai opws kai na 'xei to pragma, to "discrimination" poy les einai
> to pro.i.on, to apotelesma. To aitio, poio einai; Ti prokalei
> to discrimination? Egw lew o ratsismos. Esy ti les?
> Lewnidas
Egw lew oti to discrimination eivai ka0e eidous diakriseis evw to racism
avaferetai movo se diakriseis fulwv (xrwma dnladn klp). dnladn dev mporeis
kapoiov pou kavei diakriseis va tov peis ratsistn giati eivai polu xovtro.

Leo J. Irakliotis

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Aug 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/20/96

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grafei to orgismeno piato, eeee neiato:

>Avaptu3n exei stnv 0rakn alla esu me tis parwpides eite dev ta Blepeis eite
>(auto pou pisteuw) dev 0eleis va ta deis giati sou aresei va 0aBeis ka0e ti
>kalo. Oti avaptu3iako metro kai va upar3ei n 0a to 0ayeis n 0a to Breis

Mhn allazeis uema Aggelikh idiaitera otan s' exw rwthsei kati kai
den exeis apanthsei akomh. Se rwthsa, poy ofeilontai oi diakriseis
(tis opoies paradexthkes pws kanoyme) kata th gnwmh soy, an
den ofeilontai se ratsismo.

Oso gia thn anaptyjh, to ligotero poy mporw na kanw einai na se
parapemcw sta stoixeia toy Biomhxanikoy Epimelhthrioy gia thn
perioxh ths Urakhs. Kai sta stoixeia toy Grafeioy Perifereiakhs
anaptyjhs ths EE. Alla epeidh kati moy leei pws olo kai kamia
ejypnada ua petajeis opws synhuizeis, ua soy dwsw thn eykairia
prwta na oriseis esy thn anaptyjh. Dioti an ws anaptyjh blepeis
thn kybernhtikh xrhmatodothsh kai thn epakoloyuei paroxeteysh
twn porwn pisw sthn Auhna mesw ths forologias, tote ase kalytera.

Lewnidas

Lida Anestidou

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Aug 20, 1996, 3:00:00 AM8/20/96

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>> Sorry, koukla, alla exeis mperdepsei thn poutsa me th bourtsa..
>
>Nomizw 0a prepei va ma0eis kai kamia aln ekfrasn giati teleutaia tnv
>xrnsimopoieis arketa suxva ki auto deixvei elleiyn le3ilogiou my friend.

e, edw sto amerika exei ftwxinei to le3ilogio mou polu..ti na kanw...

>
>Perissotero apo oso vomizeis. Kai tov teleutaio kairo toulaxistov esu kai o
>LEO 0elete va mnv xaraktnrizeste Tourkofiloi. Amerikavofiloi, die0vistes evw
>to movo pou sas voiazei eivai va Breiete oti strabo givetai stnv ellada gia va
>to diatumpavisete kai va 0ayete ka0e kaln prospa0eia kai va tnv ovomasete
>avousia. Ama eseis prospa0eite gia to kalo tns elladas 0a mas kayei o 0eos...
>

de nomizw oti taytizomai me tis apopseis tou lewnida, prwton.

an de me apata h mnhmh mou, koubenta gia ta straba ths elladas kanoun polloi edw
mesa , opws px, o PFK, o 8emhs, o Ktenas, o Sakellaridhs, kata deyteron.

kanw kritikh de shmainei oti me pianei frikh sthn idea oti eimai ellhnida,
kata triton.

h apopsh sou na paroume ta opla xwris deuterh skepsh me tromazei, tetarton.

h idea sou (kai allwn) oti eimaste oi KALUTEROI deixnei monopleurh 8ewrhsh
pragma pou mono se problhmata mporei na odhghsei, pempton.

Kai sto telos telos ths grafhs, Aggelikh, egw se dexomai opws eisai kai den
amfisbhtw oute stigmh
oute tis pro8eseis sou oute thn agaph sou gia thn Ellada. Kai mhn autapatasai
oti einai o tropos me ton opoio ekfrazesai pou me kanei na mh se amfisbhtw
giati me auton diafwnw,
opws sou eipa hdh.

Egw giati 9a prepei na se peisw graptws, toulaxiston, oti agapaw ton topo
mou e3isou polu h
kai perissotero?
Giati se mena, pou kanw kritikh, afaireis to dikaiwma na problhmatizomai h
na ponaw gia auta pou
ginontai?

Mono ta gamostayridia tou Gabrilou einai patriwtismos dhladh?

Mono enan tropo ekfrashs katalabaineis?

Lhda

Leo J. Irakliotis

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Joseph Kostakis

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On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, ucesaba wrote:

> > Kala sou leei re Kwstomplampla, bale kai kanena drako sthn istoria sou na
> > dwsei kai ligo holywoodiano styl. Alla twra kei katw sto Texas tosa
> > xronia ti koultoura na epidei3eis:-)
> >
> > Tsss...tsss...
> >

> > > Lewnidas
> > >
> > Koultouriarhdes olou tou kosmou enw0eite.
> > Shfakas o meraklhs
>

> Se parakalw polu pavtws to Colostate exei va epidei3ei kai politismo kai
> koultoura evta3?

Fusika kai exei, dioti einai liberal arts school. Opote pairneis polu
liberal education kai genikos ginesai polu liberal kai liberated. Toso
polu pou e0izese kai sth roxala kai les kai euxaristw apo panw... Gia
auto ta a3ia tekna ths elladas spoudazoun sthn allh meria tou aulakiou,
gia na mhn allotriw0oun apo tis liberal kai P.C. arxes autou tou topou...

Ase pou einai kai se pio in politeia...

Texas...ts..ts..

ucesaba

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> Anaptyjh reeeeeee, isxyrh oikonomia, zwtikh uesh sthn
> Eyrwph, ejyphrethsh symferontwn reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.
> Lewnidas ............................. Siga, h patris koimatai!

Avaptu3n exei stnv 0rakn alla esu me tis parwpides eite dev ta Blepeis eite

(auto pou pisteuw) dev 0eleis va ta deis giati sou aresei va 0aBeis ka0e ti
kalo. Oti avaptu3iako metro kai va upar3ei n 0a to 0ayeis n 0a to Breis

avousio.

Aggelikn..........................................klaste mas malli va
..................................................ftia3oume kaveva pouloBeraki