GayNet Digest Volume 12 Issue 184
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More NAMBLA stuff
What is the Gay Community
HELP! HELP! CITATIONS NEEDED!
The Good Religious and Bad Religious Leaders
NAMBLA postings.....
the toothless rooster man is on the run.
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 1993 18:33:26 -0800 (PST)
From: Elen Sprole <95es...@ultrix.uor.edu>
Subject: More NAMBLA stuff
I was wondering if anyone out there who thinks that NAMBLA is just
another faction of queer culture would also support a MAN/GIRL
love organization? It seems that we as queers who feel that we have been
oppressed (we HAVE) are compelled to LIVE AND LET LIVE to the EXTREME. I'm
sorry but someone has to draw the line! I know it's not P.C. but Being
P.C. does not and should not be equated with being Open and accepting of
EVERYTHING. If it does then the hypothetical MAN/GIRL love association
should also get our support and sympathies. And one more thing. I was
sexually abused from the ages of five to eight and I did all kinds of
things because I could get something out of it, like a coke and a candy
bar and I did not consider MYself "a little girl". I thought I was doing
what I had to do and hey! I got something out of it. Maybe these young
boys also have this on their minds. And besides, I don't know of anyone who
is pre-pubescent that would admit to being a child.
Just a thought.
-Michele
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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 93 23:13:38 EDT
From: Rodney Timbrook <RTIM...@Kentvm.Kent.edu>
Subject: What is the Gay Community
Several people have picked up on a point that I had made in my
earlier post, but I'm not sure if I understand others' views. So,
as a request for a discussion--What constitutes the gay community? And
what are the commonalities that make up the gay community?
In the various heated debates over NAMBLA, including bisexuals whenever
discussing lesbian and gay issues, transgender folks, transvestites,
etc., I think this is very important issue and would like some intellectual
discussion on what the community is and is not.
A penny for your thoughts?
Rodney
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From: Mark Hertzog <mw...@uva.pcmail.virginia.edu>
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 93 23:17:26 EST
Subject: HELP! HELP! CITATIONS NEEDED!
Howdy!
Does anyone have a citation for the new study on female homosexuality
that has just been published or is just now being published?
I need this in a hurry!
Also, does anyone have citations for the anterior commisure study (NOT
the hypothalamus study) published last year, and for the gay-twins study
published a year to two years back?
And has anyone seen this dadgum Janus Report in the bookstores yet?
Thanks much!
Mark
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Date: 17 Mar 93 23:52:04 EST
Subject: The Good Religious and Bad Religious Leaders
From: An Anonymous Sender
NEW YORK (AP) -- It was a badly splintered St. Patrick's Day
celebration.
The mayor stayed at home. The cardinal was snug under a canopy on
the cathedral steps, waving and smiling at paraders. And nearly 200 gay
protesters who raised a racket ended up celebrating at Manhattan
Central Booking.
Only about 120,000 people marched Wednesday in the nation's oldest
St. Patrick's Day parade, tens of thousands less than usual, and
spectators along Fifth Avenue were rarely more than three deep.
Organizers blamed the poor turnout on a never-ending Irish-style
drizzle.
But what was most remarkable about the 232rd parade, even by the
unpleasant standards of recent years, was how many Irish-for-a-day were
going their own way.
More than an hour before the main parade's start, hundreds of
marchers protesting the exclusion of Irish homosexuals staged a
countermarch up Fifth Avenue, chanting "Hey-hey, ho-ho, homophobia has
got to go!"
When they ran into a line of police, they knelt or squatted as
police cuffed them and moved them into vans and buses.
In all, 228 were arrested, most for violating a court order,
including City Councilman Thomas Duane, an acknowledged homosexual who
was cheered as he stepped into a police wagon. Five were charged with
disorderly conduct.
"Our tax dollars at work," laughed one protester.
In Ireland, a gay organization entered a float in the Dublin parade
with no appreciable controversy. Last year, a gay group entered a float
in the Cork parade, and won a prize.
Elsewhere, Chicago's 38th parade went ahead in freezing
temperatures.
In Boston, where last Sunday's parade was postponed a week by the
blizzard, organizers were trying to block a gay group from marching for
the second consecutive year. Last month, a judge ruled the homosexuals
had a right to march.
A predicted rain fail to show up for the parade in Savannah, Ga.,
which drew at least 200,000 spectators. The march in Albuquerque, N.M.,
was canceled because of unpaid bills to city police from past parades.
In New York, a judge ruled Tuesday that the Irish Lesbian and Gay
Organization, which has battled for three years to be included in the
main parade, could not stage a protest parade on the avenue.
Mayor David Dinkins boycotted the parade; instead, he gave a
breakfast at his offiical Gracie Mansion and told his guests that "a
few small-minded individuals have soured this celebration with
attitudes of intolerance and exclusion."
Dinkins, who had tried to get the gay delegation into the parade,
was referring to members of the Ancient Order of Hibernians, the
parade's traditional sponsor.
The city had taken away the Hibernians' parade permit, but a federal
judge gave it back, citing the Hibernians' right to freedom of speech,
religion and association. The city then opposed the gay group's request
for a counter march, warning that it could lead to violence.
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Leaders of several religious groups endorsed an
end to the military's ban on homosexuals Wednesday and voiced support
for a gay, lesbian and bisexual march on Washington next month.
"As religious people, we recognize and embrace the gay and lesbian
community for what they are," said Rabbi Lynne F. Landsberg, associate
director of the religious action center of Reform Judaism. "They are
not the enemy. They are us, and we are them."
Landsberg said "family values" and other phrases had been used as
code words to legitimize prejudices, including fear of homosexuality.
"We cannot condone any of this -- not as Americans and especially
not as Jews. For we have seen it all before."
Landsberg spoke at a news conference during a meeting of Interfaith
Impact for Justice and Peace, a religious lobby that represents more
than 30 churches and religious organizations nationwide.
"We look upon the upcoming march on Washington as one way in which
those supportive of the civil rights for all persons, regardless of
their sexual orientation, can join together to support one another in
that effort," said Kay Dowhower, spokeswoman for the Evangelical
Lutheran Church in America's governmental affairs office.
The march is scheduled for April 25.
The Rev. John R. Deckenback, a leader in the United Church of
Christ, handed out copies of a letter from his church to President
Clinton supporting his "courageous stand" on homosexuals in the
military.
Other religious groups represented at the news conference were
Homeland Ministries, the Unitarian Universalist Church of America and
the American Friends Service Committee.
Billy Hileman, one of the co-chairs organizing the march, said he
was moved by the support from the religious groups, particularly
because many religions do not welcome open gays and lesbians.
"The doctrine of organized religion has been used to beat us and to
kill us," Hileman said. "To have this type of endorsement today is so
meaningful."
Asked how many people are expected at the march, Hileman said, "more
than half a million is a way underestimate."
The last national gay march on Washington, in October 1987, drew
657,000, Hileman said, citing organizers' estimates. However, U.S. Park
Police estimated only 200,000 people participated.
This time, organizers are selling numbered wrist bands as a means of
proving their crowd estimates. However, the bands may be purchased by
mail before the march, raising the possibility that some people will
buy bands and not attend.
Earlier Wednesday, former Defense Secretary Dick Cheney took issue
with Clinton's plan to remove restrictions against homosexuals in the
military.
Excluding homosexuals, he said, is not based on discrimination. "It
comes down to: How do you maintain the most effective military force?"
he said in a speech to the Council for Excellence in Government -- an
association of former government officials from both parties.
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From: tim...@cs.uq.oz.au (Tim Mansfield)
Subject: Re: NAMBLA postings.....
Date: 18 Mar 93 04:09:34 GMT
In digest <m0nX9vf...@unpc.queernet.org> gay...@queernet.org writes:
> Well guys, I will probably get a serious flame over this, BUT
>should the NET actually accept a posting from someone
>a) promulgating the users of the net to read up on pedophilia and
> to receive information about a group that promotes it?
Ummm, I don't think we can stop it.... Arguments aside...
--
Tim Mansfield tim...@cs.uq.oz.au
Dept of Comp Sci, Uni of Qld, Australia, 4072 +61 (0)7 365 2956
"Nothing is wrong with the idea that there would be a God...
who changes the water." m...@softway.oz (Mark V. Shaney)
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From: rcra...@bell.susqu.edu
>To: gay...@queernet.org
>From: rcrawfor
Date: Thu Mar 18 01:05:38 EST 1993
Phone: did i do THAT?
Subject: the toothless rooster man is on the run.
Ua-Message-Id: <PMXSTAR-2.2.1a-rcrawfor-000000real-382>
ho there all....
as i should be doing an important assignment right now, i'll keep this
short.....i've just spent the past 90 minutes reading the 80 gaynets that
have accumulated in my absence...i've always heard the term "dyke daddies" in
reference to "male fag-hags", but then again i really don't see very many
lesbians while i'm at home so i could be wrong....
in other news...are we going to have an e-gathering at the MOW? if we
did, that would really be interesting, to say the least...maybe some of you
west coast people and those of you in that dreaded time zone (JUST JOKING
PEOPLE!!!) could come out and play (again, more jokes--i was trapped in my
house for 3 days and need the release)
btw (which for that person who asked, means 'by the way')...i've heard
that there is a convoy to the march going from colleges here in northcentral
penna....is there still time to join up? and more importantly [po' colij
stooden' that ah is] HOW MUCH WILL THIS COST? i'm working 2 jobs just so i can
have enough money to go to this shindig and i want to know if i'll have to ask
some of my homophobic relatives for money to go.
umm, let's see...what else...i was wondering if there were any netters
that were going to be in the harrisburg/carlisle area over the summer...i need
some help in trying to set up an account to get my summertime emale and was
wondering if i could use dickinson's or psu-harrisburg's systems to ftp my
emale to just receive over the net....anyone with any comments or any general
knowledge just emale me personally.
and one more thing--ryan, if you haven't done it already, don't out
your sisters, as much as you feel the need to do so. there's a very good
chance that they will resent you FOREVER. and that, j'en suis sur, is a lot
longer than the amount of time you'll worry about telling your maman about
them.
that's all.
paix.
rob
rob crawford--i don't give a damn, rob c. is who i am! (bonus points go to the
person who can identify the rappers and the rap i took this from)
campus center box 246
susquehanna university "just becuz there's blood on my hands
selinsgrove pa 17870 doesn't mean that i stabbed the man"
717.372.3458 (voix) ---mc gusto, _cd4_
rcra...@bell.susqu.edu
ps--have you seen the new depeche mode video? what's with dave gahan? he looks
HAY-NUSS!!!!!
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