Falwell blames gays, liberal groups for terrorist attacks
D Stephen Heersink
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>Falwell blames gays, liberal groups for terrorist attacks
>Anti-gay advocate makes remarks on ‘700 Club’ broadcast; Robertson nods
>approval
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>by Lou Chibbaro Jr.
>Washington Blade
>© 2001, Window Media LLC
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>WASHINGTON, Thursday, Sept. 13 -- The Rev. Jerry Falwell said gays,
>feminists, “pagans,” and a host of liberal advocacy groups have made “God
>mad” and must share the blame for the terrorist attacks this week that took
>the lives of thousands of Americans at the World Trade Center in New York
>and at the Pentagon outside Washington.
It's clear that Mr. Falwell is mad, and we need to call him on it.
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Chief Thracian
<webolu...@webolutionary.com> wrote:
>Perhaps there is no longer even any place for religion at all; I won't be
>the one to decide, but I pose the question: how does any of this serve the
>needs of society?
Extremism and fanaticism are the true enemies, not religion. We have
plenty of atheist fanatics in this world, which have been just as
brutal against gays, as the Catholic Inquisition, or Muslim jihads. I
mean, China and the former USSR are atheist nations...yet with horrid
track regards regarding gay civil rights.
Many genuinely religious folks are quite rational, compassionate,
responsible, and loyal to their ideals...as are many
atheists/agnostics. Likewise, all these groups also suffer their
violent nut cases.
Religion at its best, serves to give hope in times of great
tragedy...for most people. I realize there are atheists who live
perfectly well, with the loftiest ideals intact...and I say, good for
them. But I couldn't hack it; I tried being atheist for ten years, but
wound up returning to a belief in a benevolent creator.
It is not just religious fanatics who are guilty of hubris: there are
also atheist zealots too. Their hubris is in denigrating anything that
comes from religions; and thus regard all religious folks as stupid,
ignorant, and like lost little children afraid of the dark. The moment
these kinds of atheists discover you have a religious viewpoint (no
matter what it is, or how it manifests), they write you off as totally
deluded, and a detriment to the human condition.
So it's fanatics of any stripe--religious and non-religious--that are
the true danger. I'd much rather hang out with a liberal atheist, than
a fanatic Christian. By the same token, I'd much prefer to hang out
with a liberal Christian, than a hardcore, bigoted atheist. And
believe me: I have met more than my share of homophobic atheists. If
you think a world free of religion would also be one freed of
homophobia: think again.
>Remember always, the needs of the many outweigh the needs
>of the few.
Are you sure you're not just quoting George Orwelle? Basically, you
believe that the majority always rules...and thus can run roughshod
over any minority, any idea that diverges even in the slightest
manner, from majority dogma. Good think we have this Bill of Rights;
so designed to protect minorities from the tyranny of the majority.
The needs of all groups should be respected, and incorporated into a
dynamic and democratic society...thus, the needs of the many do *not
outweigh those of the few.
>People like these should be cast aside like so much trash,
>forever banished from human civilization. They must be forcefully extracted
>from our communities and our governments.
You must be an atheist zealot. Ho-hum; a dime a dozen.
>Our leaders must start making
>decisions on their merits and begin ignoring the hate-filled rhetoric
>driving the religious right. Isn't it about damn time we quit looking back
>to these zealots for answers and start looking forward to the future for
>hope?
Well, I agree with all of the above...but the rest of your message
that preceded this, proposes banning any and all religious concepts.
You are a monster, like Stalin.
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Falwell blames gays, liberal groups for terrorist attacks
Anti-gay advocate makes remarks on ‘700 Club’ broadcast; Robertson nods
approval
by Lou Chibbaro Jr.
Washington Blade
© 2001, Window Media LLC
WASHINGTON, Thursday, Sept. 13 -- The Rev. Jerry Falwell said gays,
feminists, “pagans,” and a host of liberal advocacy groups have made “God
mad” and must share the blame for the terrorist attacks this week that took
the lives of thousands of Americans at the World Trade Center in New York
and at the Pentagon outside Washington.
Falwell made his remarks Thursday, Sept. 13, while appearing on the
religious television program The 700 Club, hosted by the Rev. Pat Robertson.
Falwell and Robertson are among the nation’s strongest opponents of gay
civil rights.
“I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists,
and the gays and lesbians who are actively trying to make that an
alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way — all of them
who have tried to secularize American — I point the finger in their face and
say, ‘You helped this happen,’” Falwell said on the program, which was
broadcast nationally.
“Well, I totally concur,” Robertson told Falwell, “and the problem is we
have adopted their agenda at the highest levels of our government.”
The comments by Falwell and Robertson came at a time when gay activists have
joined leading Republicans and Democrats in calling for national unity and
full, bipartisan support for President Bush’s planned response to the
terrorist attacks.
“The terrible tragedy that has befallen our nation, and indeed the entire
global community, is the sad byproduct of fanaticism,” said Lorri L. Jean,
executive director of the National Gay and Lesbian Task Force.
“It has its roots in the same fanaticism that enables people like Jerry
Falwell to preach hate against those who do not think, live, or love in the
exact same way he does,” Jean said.
“The tragedies that have occurred this week did not occur because someone
made God mad, as Mr. Falwell asserts,” Jean continued, in a statement
released Sept. 13. “They occurred because of hate, pure and simple.”
In separate statements released this week, the national gay groups Log Cabin
Republicans and National Stonewall Democrats condemned the terrorist attacks
and declared their support for President Bush’s efforts to respond to the
incidents.
“Gay and Lesbian Americans across the nation are united today,” said Log
Cabin executive director Rich Tafel. “In the face of defending our nation
together, all differences fall away, and all other issues pale in
comparison.”
“This week’s tragedy truly asks all of us to come together as a people to
bury our dead, to comfort and heal all families and to rebuild this strong
nation,” the National Stonewall Democrats said in a statement. “Stonewall
Democrats join in solidarity with all Americans in placing our loyal support
behind our national government and our president.”
The group added, “Gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered Americans also
have paid with their lives and their honor, and we join in saluting their
sacrifices and those of every American who suffered these terrible,
senseless events.”
"Now is the time to join together behind our president and our government in
defense of our nation," said Tafel of the Log Cabin group.
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>Falwell blames gays, liberal groups for terrorist attacks
>Anti-gay advocate makes remarks on ‘700 Club’ broadcast; Robertson nods
>approval
>
>by Lou Chibbaro Jr.
>Washington Blade
>© 2001, Window Media LLC
>
>WASHINGTON, Thursday, Sept. 13 -- The Rev. Jerry Falwell said gays,
>feminists, “pagans,” and a host of liberal advocacy groups have made “God
>mad” and must share the blame for the terrorist attacks this week that took
>the lives of thousands of Americans at the World Trade Center in New York
>and at the Pentagon outside Washington.
It's clear that Mr. Falwell is mad, and we need to call him on it.
Jeff Gross
Jeff
Sean Robertson
_There is no place for savages like these in a free and peacefull world._
Perhaps there is no longer even any place for religion at all; I won't be
the one to decide, but I pose the question: how does any of this serve the
needs of society? Remember always, the needs of the many outweigh the needs
of the few. Religious extremism does not serve the needs of the many or
even the few, but the desires of the one. Those who would make statements
such as these serve only themselves. They tear at the very core of
civilization, with each statement loosening another bolt in the framework
holding society together by promoting unrest, distrust, even outright
violence. People like these should be cast aside like so much trash,
forever banished from human civilization. They must be forcefully extracted
from our communities and our governments. Our leaders must start making
decisions on their merits and begin ignoring the hate-filled rhetoric
driving the religious right. Isn't it about damn time we quit looking back
to these zealots for answers and start looking forward to the future for
hope?
> alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People for the American Way - all of them
> who have tried to secularize American - I point the finger in their face
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Chief Thracian
<dsh...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>It's clear that Mr. Falwell is mad, and we need to call him on it.
His people now run our government.
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Chief Thracian
<jmgpr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>This is the same crowd that blamed Susan Smith
>on the liberals when at that very same time she was
>getting poked by her stepfather, head of the South
>Carolina Christian Coalition.
I suspect that the greatest offenders of sexual abuse--including those
groups that run child pornography rings--are Christian
fundamentalists. They scapegoat gay people for their own heinous sins
upon the bodies, minds and souls of the innocent.
This is the showdown. WWIII, Day 3.
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David Thompson
> You're full of it. I merely asked, "Do we need it?" I didn't say to ban
> it, but the question still stands. Do we need [religion]? Does it do anything to
>
> benefit society anymore?
No, it doesn't benefit society. It serves no collective purpose.
But it allows me personal comfort and, when treated appropriately, it does not
become an excuse to hate. Allowing me my faith gives me the tools needed to deal
with this tragedy.
David Thompson (with tears in his eyes)
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Sean Robertson
> You are a monster, like Stalin.
You're full of it. I merely asked, "Do we need it?" I didn't say to ban
it, but the question still stands. Do we need it? Does it do anything to
benefit society anymore?
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Chief Thracian
<david_ala...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>No, it doesn't benefit society. It serves no collective purpose.
You just contradicted yourself, by then stating:
>But it allows me personal comfort and, when treated appropriately, it does not
>become an excuse to hate. Allowing me my faith gives me the tools needed to deal
>with this tragedy.
Just as your spiritual views allow you solace, so they do to society
at large. The proposal to wipe out any and all religion is a stupid,
knee-jerk reaction. Once you get rid of the main
churches/synagogues/mosques/etc., who do you go for next? The
independent, small worship places? How do you define "religion"?
Should you persecute ANYONE who even says "Oh my God?"
No, what we need to do is strictly enforce laws that condemn
irrational hatred against any group of people. That would then include
those fanatic groups not defined as religious, but nonetheless zealous
and dangerous. Otherwise, we'd still have atheist organizations
spreading hatred and violence around the world...getting away with it,
because they do not fit under the standard definition of what is
religious.
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