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RONALD CATES

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Oct 2, 2001, 1:20:48 AM10/2/01
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I hope that I offend no one with my question. I ask it out of ignorance. My best friend has a 15 year old nephew with severe DS. He has very little verbal skills, but can communicate in 1-2 word sentences.

Lately, (1-2 years) he appears to see people that no one else can. He calls them the "ghosts", but they are friendly. The things he says he sees and what he sees is far beyond that of coincidence. He saw a little girl at a cemetery when the family was at a funeral. The little girl was standing next to a headstone. Upon closer examination, the headstone belonged to a 5 year old girl that had died. Remember this boy can not read, and could not do the math to understand the dates on the tombstone.

So I guess my question is: Have there been any studies done on people with DS and any paranormal, ESP activity?

Knowing that DS kids don't always see the world as we do, is there a possibility that he can see things that we can't? As "normal" people, and I say that very lightly, we are programmed and grown -up to not see those things!!

Thanks!!

Misty Brown

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Oct 2, 2001, 10:32:54 AM10/2/01
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Hello Ronald. Its a known fact that there are persons out there with certain
abilitites we dont understand. A child with a disability are no exception.
People with certain paranormal abilities usually have open minds to receive
information others cannot. This child may be special in that he can see
people who have passed on. To him, this must be very normal. I would tell
your friend not to be afraid, but to pay attention to what he see's, in case
it could get overwhelming or he could become afraid. I look at people who
are savants,( The rain man), and all of those people have uncanny abilities
to do different things. Some cannot speak and are very mentally
handicapped, but can play Mozart on the piano after hearing the song once.
Most ghostly events take place around children, those that are just reaching
puberty. I do not doubt these abilities, but she could seek out help with a
professional related to this field.

----- Original Message -----
From: RONALD CATES <ron...@MSN.COM>
To: <DOWN...@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 12:10 AM
Subject: Down Syndrome and Paranormal Activity


> I hope that I offend no one with my question. I ask it out of ignorance.=
> My best friend has a 15 year old nephew with severe DS. He has very li=


> ttle verbal skills, but can communicate in 1-2 word sentences.
>

> Lately, (1-2 years) he appears to see people that no one else can. He ca=
> lls them the "ghosts", but they are friendly. The things he says he sees=
> and what he sees is far beyond that of coincidence. He saw a little gir=
> l at a cemetery when the family was at a funeral. The little girl was st=
> anding next to a headstone. Upon closer examination, the headstone belon=
> ged to a 5 year old girl that had died. Remember this boy can not read, =


> and could not do the math to understand the dates on the tombstone.
>

> So I guess my question is: Have there been any studies done on people wi=


> th DS and any paranormal, ESP activity?
>

> Knowing that DS kids don't always see the world as we do, is there a poss=
> ibility that he can see things that we can't? As "normal" people, and I =
> say that very lightly, we are programmed and grown -up to not see those t=
> hings!!
>
> Thanks!!

Donna Duffey

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Oct 2, 2001, 1:20:02 PM10/2/01
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In a message dated 10/2/01 1:21:23 AM Eastern Daylight Time, ron...@MSN.COM
writes:


> So I guess my question is: Have there been any studies done on people wi=
> th DS and any paranormal, ESP activity?
>

Uh, I don't personally believe in the paranormal. This sounds more like
something out of the Sixth Sense. However, people with Ds have all kinds
of gifts, just as the general population. So I guess if you are a believer
in some having these type abilities, then I suppose individuals with Ds would
not be exempt. I don't know of any studies in this area.
Donna

Charlene Brandl

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Oct 2, 2001, 5:43:36 PM10/2/01
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I have had several of my students with autism and various other "severe"
disabilities (generally very limited communication skills) who have shared
similar experiences with me. At first I too was afraid to even admit they
were telling me about such "paranormal" experiences. But as time went on, I
found it exciting and fun, and they seemed much more comfortable telling me
of their experiences.

Now I find it quite easy to accept that because of their generally quiet
nature (many are completely nonverbal) maybe they are just better tuned into
other ways of knowing things.

But I do realize this is still very hard for most people to accept --- and
it must be difficult for these very special young people as well.

Char


----- Original Message -----
From: "RONALD CATES" <ron...@MSN.COM>
To: <DOWN...@LISTSERV.NODAK.EDU>
Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 12:10 AM
Subject: Down Syndrome and Paranormal Activity


> I hope that I offend no one with my question. I ask it out of ignorance.=
> My best friend has a 15 year old nephew with severe DS. He has very li=
> ttle verbal skills, but can communicate in 1-2 word sentences.
>
> Lately, (1-2 years) he appears to see people that no one else can. He ca=
> lls them the "ghosts", but they are friendly. The things he says he sees=
> and what he sees is far beyond that of coincidence. He saw a little gir=
> l at a cemetery when the family was at a funeral. The little girl was st=
> anding next to a headstone. Upon closer examination, the headstone belon=
> ged to a 5 year old girl that had died. Remember this boy can not read, =
> and could not do the math to understand the dates on the tombstone.
>

> So I guess my question is: Have there been any studies done on people wi=
> th DS and any paranormal, ESP activity?
>

Len Leshin

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Oct 2, 2001, 5:57:17 PM10/2/01
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Avi seems to have a special sense as to when the front door is open....does
that count?

Len

Susan Thomas

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Oct 2, 2001, 7:43:13 PM10/2/01
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Some of us who don't have particular leanings towards belief in the
supernatural swear that our babies with DS saw angels. Sam's lived in an
abstract painting in our den, seriously. It seemed to tell him funny stories
sometimes. He outgrew it by maybe 8 months. There's probably some completely
boring explanation, but at the time it was rather eerie.

Susan Thomas
mom to Sam (6, DS)

Pamela Grills

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Oct 3, 2001, 1:15:46 AM10/3/01
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Ron

Very interesting question posed. I have heard that children can see angelic
and demonic activity that adults do not see because we only perceive the
concrete and tangble. Being that this person is DS or any other
developemental delay, it is quite possible that they possess the same gift
that children do. Not to sound weird or anything, but my boy John frequently
plays with "someone" on the room at night. But when I peek in, even when he
cant see me he stops as though the friend was hiding.
Go figure.

Pam

PMWilson

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Oct 3, 2001, 3:56:19 AM10/3/01
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Well, my son says he 'senses' that a certain store has the latest video game,
CD, or video that he has been waiting for, and usually when he checks he finds
he was right. He has not gotten credit for his special powers because he knows
all the dates that the products are supposed to be released.

Donna Duffey

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Oct 3, 2001, 8:04:24 AM10/3/01
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In a message dated 10/3/01 1:35:09 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
EZbal...@AOL.COM writes:


> Not to sound weird or anything, but my boy John frequently
> plays with "someone" on the room at night. But when I peek in, even when he
> cant see me he stops as though the friend was hiding.
> Go figure.
>
>

My oldest, Joe (20, NDA) used to have an imaginary friend. It was quite
convenient for him. Not only did he then have a playmate at his beck and
call, but he had someone to blame for all the things he did wrong. ;-)
Then my 4th, Alison (9, NDA) had an imaginary *other* mother, named Big Mama
(as opposed I guess to Little Mama who was me). Big Mama was nicer than me
and let Alison do whatever she wanted. Alison (2 at the time) always wanted
me to meet Big Mama (I guess so BM could talk me into being a nicer
mom.....;), but we never figured out where she lived.....LOL
Personally, I thought this was very creative of my kids......;-)
Donna

Carl & Jo Cunningham

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Oct 3, 2001, 1:05:51 PM10/3/01
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When Sam was a little baby, he sometimes looked up at the air, tracking
something no one else could see and giggle delightedly. We would examine
the space carefully to see if he was noticing dust particles dancing or
the odd reflection or shadow, but mostly we couldn't see a darn thing.
We used to say he was "watching his angel."

He no longer does this, but last week at Catechism, the teacher asked
the children if they could see their guardian angels. All the children
said "no" except Sam; he smiled and nodded his head "yes!" Then she
asked them where their guardian angel was and while the rest of the kids
pondered this difficult dilema, Sam pointed to two distinct spaces above
him and said -- two angels! When the teacher said, well maybe angels
aren't really above us, since they are invisible, maybe they are under,
behind or inside us, and Sam just glared at her and pointed -- right there!

Maybe he just has a vivid imagination. But who knows???

Jo

Mike Boyd

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Oct 2, 2001, 7:24:23 PM10/2/01
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In an article in bit.listserv.down-syn,
on Tue, 2 Oct 2001 Len Leshin <lle...@DAVLIN.NET> wrote...

>Avi seems to have a special sense as to when the front door is open....does
>that count?

We have a cat with similar ability...

Regards, Mike, father to Matthew, 13 cwDS
--
Mike Boyd <mi...@green43.demon.co.uk>

Dueker, Karen

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Oct 4, 2001, 9:09:27 AM10/4/01
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Both Kelsey and our cat have similar abilities to sense when the front
door is open!
Karen mom to Christopher 12, Kathryn 9 and Kelsey 8 w/DS
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