disappointed
Tony Barlow
In article <3518e71c...@132.185.134.46>, jonath...@bbc.co.uk
writes
>20 years from now, when
>your family settles down to watch the traditional post-turkey
>Christmas film on the box - guess what film it'll be?
If that is the case, I'll say I am just nipping down to the pub.
>
>It's up there with "Gone With The Wind", mate!
In 20 years time, I dread to hear from those sad cases who would have
seen it 389 times and still loved it. I agree with you that it is a
heavyweight but it definitely won't emulate GWTW. Although, it is a
good-old fashioned tearjerker leaning heavily on the sentimental side
but I can safely think up much better romantic films since this film has
been americanised. The ship is the main star.
Celine Dion - a good voice? Huh, where are her pair of lungs? In the
looks stake, I much rather grapple with Trisha Yearwood in a sleazy
roadside motel room than Celine.
--
Tony Barlow
Tony Barlow
In article <6f9q9h$d...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>, Ryan Constien
<Ryan.C...@worldnet.att.net> writes
>I watched Oscars award last night. The movie (I forgot the title. It is
>titled silent something) about a deaf person in Germany did not receive the
>best foreign film award. The Dutch film got the award instead.
Actually, I was more disappointed about Titanic scooping 11 awards. I
felt The Full Monty should've got the Best Picture award because of the
better calibre of acting. Also, I really do hope Celine Dion get severe
bout of laryngitis very soon- her voice has the same effect on me as
scratching your nails on a chalkboard.
--
Tony Barlow
jonath...@bbc.co.uk
> I was more disappointed about Titanic scooping 11 awards. I
>felt The Full Monty should've got the Best Picture award because of the
>better calibre of acting.
Must confess to having not yet seen (putting me in together with 1% of
the UK population) The Full Monty but you can't fail to appreciate the
*magnificent* achievement that is Titanic. 20 years from now, when
your family settles down to watch the traditional post-turkey
Christmas film on the box - guess what film it'll be?
It's up there with "Gone With The Wind", mate!
>Also, I really do hope Celine Dion get severe
>bout of laryngitis very soon- her voice has the same effect on me as
>scratching your nails on a chalkboard.
Ah, she's not so bad. Just got a head that's 3x too big for her body,
that's all.
JR, who'll get TFM out on video this weekend.
Tony Barlow
><toy...@miss-lissa.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> I was more disappointed about Titanic scooping 11 awards. I
>>felt The Full Monty should've got the Best Picture award because of the
>>better calibre of acting.
>Must confess to having not yet seen (putting me in together with 1% of
>the UK population) The Full Monty but you can't fail to appreciate the
>*magnificent* achievement that is Titanic. 20 years from now, when
>your family settles down to watch the traditional post-turkey
>Christmas film on the box - guess what film it'll be?
>
>It's up there with "Gone With The Wind", mate!
"Gone With The Wind" had no special effects, no boat, and no hi-tech
technology, and there was a lot more passion in one scene of that film
than there was in the entire "Titanic". Ah come on, the roar of the
Civil War and the Deep South, the neigh of horses, that magnificent
fire....what better backdrop could you think up for the greatest screen
romance ever?
As for wit, rough good looks and charisma, Clark Gable has a lot to
answer for. I bet Leonardo di Carpio couldn't utter a first line as
catchy as *this*:
(In a fit of thoroughly Scarlett rage, Vivien Leigh smashes a vase
against the wall. Gable jumps up from behind a sofa. Vivien yelps with
surprise. One look at her, then:) "Has the war started?"
"Titanic" didn't speak to me, purely because it was so historically
inaccurate. It was set in 1912, which would have made the old lady a
very implausible 104 years of age.
In 1912, the Titanic's first voyage was from Southampton to America,
which would have made most of its passengers English - yet in the film,
Kate Winslet, a very British girl, had to play an American heiress. Then
there was the dialogue - I'm sure I heard someone say "shit!" And would
a 1912 upper-class heiress have stuck the middle finger up at someone?
No, the romance left me cold. I've seen both Winslet and di Carpio act
better than this. I don't believe those two, from such contrasting
spheres, and at such a class-obsessed time, could fall for each other in
the space of two days. No, JR, I do believe in dramatic licence, but I
think James Cameron used it clumsily. It's as if he thought that so long
as he plonked everyone in period costume, the dialogue would take care
of itself, leaving him to get on with the real issue at his heart - the
ship. He's a thoroughly modern man, so I can only say this: stick to the
sci-fi.
Actually, when "Titanic" was being made last year, I was reading an
article that might reveal to you rather more than you might wish to
know:
During production, "Titanic" had been running into disasters lately.
Already, the scheduled release date looked in danger of being scrapped,
and they had overspent the budget in building the ship at four-fifths of
its original size alone. It seemed as though this could be James
Cameron's "Waterworld". "Not if he can help it," one film insider
commented. "Just remember, James Cameron is the most powerful man in
Hollywood." What did he mean? My insider darted round conspiratorially.
"He believes this could be his Oscar-winner." The journalist laughed
disbelievingly. But the man was adamant. "No? Just you wait," he hissed.
"Just you wait."
>>Also, I really do hope Celine Dion get severe
>>bout of laryngitis very soon- her voice has the same effect on me as
>>scratching your nails on a chalkboard.
>Ah, she's not so bad. Just got a head that's 3x too big for her body,
>that's all.
Tony said a funny thing last night. On seeing Celine Dion in another of
those skinny dresses, he quipped, "But where's the pair of lungs? In a
back-pack?"
--
Miss Lissa
Broegs
-----Original Message-----
From: Ryan Constien <Ryan.C...@WORLDNET.ATT.NET>
To: DEA...@SIU.EDU <DEA...@SIU.EDU>
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 1998 6:37 PM
Subject: Re: disappointed
>I see your frustrations with the Oscar awards presentations from few nights
>ago. Well you know Tony, that we Americans are so obsessed with historical
>tragedies. If you have an access to American t.v. networks, you will find
>many shows and movies covering tragedies such as Waco and Ruby Ridge. As an
>Oklahoman, I surely darn hope the networks don't produce a movie on the
>Oklahoma bombing. It would bring severe pains to the victims.
There is a movie on the OK bombing. It's coming out I believe on Lifetime. I
saw it advertised yesterday. You are right, Americans really do go for the
shock and horror thing.
Adam Skwersky
I propose that this phenomenon not localized to Americans, but rather
it is widespread for all nations and continents.
Adam
jonath...@bbc.co.uk
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:40:44 +0000, Tony Barlow (or Mrs. Tony Barlow
from the looks of things <toy...@miss-lissa.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>It's up there with "Gone With The Wind", mate!
>How can you say that?!
I'm wondering how I *did* say that! I meant to say Titanic follows in
the same *tradition* as GWtW - namely in scale, romantic leads,
timelessness (probably)...
>"Gone With The Wind" had no special effects, no boat, and no hi-tech
>technology, and there was a lot more passion in one scene of that film
>than there was in the entire "Titanic".
You're a fan, I take it? *smiles* That's okay. So am I. Frankly my
dear I do *give* a damn...
>>"Titanic" didn't speak to me, purely because it was so historically
>inaccurate. It was set in 1912, which would have made the old lady a
>very implausible 104 years of age.
*Shifts in seat* Yes...
>And would a 1912 upper-class heiress have stuck the middle finger up at someone?
That was a cringe-worthy moment, yes but I read in another ng that
James Cameron defended this action by explaining how the above gesure
had been used since Roman times.
>I do believe in dramatic licence, but I think James Cameron used it clumsily.
The other side of the argument is that Cameron knows this is the way
Hollywood likes it: think of your other historical epics, your Ben
Hurs, Spartacuses (Spartacii?) - who gives too many hoots about strict
accuracy if the *entertainment and drama are top-notch?
>"He believes this could be his Oscar-winner."
So, what's wrong with ambition? *laughs* One of my colleagues
commented yesterday how he thought Cameron came across as an arrogant
**** at the Oscars but I'm certain there's nobody else who would have
the *drive* ($1bn at the box office!) to make a successful film on
such a scale, not to mention diving down to the wreck of the real
Titanic five times..
I take all your points though, Lissa. Sorry folks, there's going to
be no flame war here...
And to further the "Is Celine Dion Crap?" debate. Two words: "Think
Twice". Rather good, actually.
Your Tony commented how he'd
>much rather grapple with Trisha Yearwood in a sleazy
>roadside motel room than Celine.
Trisha Yearwood? Did she do "I Said I Loved You (But I Lied?)" That
was good. And what makes you think Celine would be *seen* in a
sleazy roadside motel room in the first place? You've got some
strange fetishes my boy...
JR
Stuart Baldwin
On Wed, 25 Mar 1998 21:40:44 +0000, Tony Barlow
>
>During production, "Titanic" had been running into disasters lately.
>Already, the scheduled release date looked in danger of being scrapped,
>and they had overspent the budget in building the ship at four-fifths of
>its original size alone. It seemed as though this could be James
>Cameron's "Waterworld". "Not if he can help it," one film insider
>commented. "Just remember, James Cameron is the most powerful man in
>Hollywood." What did he mean? My insider darted round conspiratorially.
>"He believes this could be his Oscar-winner." The journalist laughed
>disbelievingly. But the man was adamant. "No? Just you wait," he hissed.
>"Just you wait."
>
Nicholson saying that he'd had a sinking feeling all evening.
--
Stuart Baldwin
uk.people.deaf FAQ etc.: http://www.boxatrix.demon.co.uk/upd/
Matt
In article <6fc37e$q...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
Ryan Constien <Ryan.C...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>I see your frustrations with the Oscar awards presentations from few nights
>ago. Well you know Tony, that we Americans are so obsessed with historical
>tragedies. If you have an access to American t.v. networks, you will find
>many shows and movies covering tragedies such as Waco and Ruby Ridge. As an
>Oklahoman, I surely darn hope the networks don't produce a movie on the
>Oklahoma bombing. It would bring severe pains to the victims.
>
>
Touch finish, too late
--
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Tony Barlow
In article <351a2a07...@132.185.134.46>, jonath...@bbc.co.uk
writes
> And what makes you think Celine would be *seen* in a
>sleazy roadside motel room in the first place?
--
Tony Barlow
Andy Barber
Hi Tony
Tony Barlow was talking about the Oscars
tl> Also, I really do hope Celine Dion get severe bout of
tl> laryngitis very soon- her voice has the same effect on me as
tl> scratching your nails on a chalkboard. --
tl> Tony Barlow
Celine Dion is proof that the Catholic's are correct & we are all sinners. She
is proof that a vengeful God has sent her to punish all us. Either that or the
record industry is taking the P!z$ out of us (again). She is both audiologicly
& visually repellant. Being disabled myself, I should feel sorry for her but as
she is a creation of the record industry & is mega rich, I can't.
Laryngitis is not enough for her. A mercy killing would enrich the whole of
humanity.
Andy Barber
Hi Jonathan
j> And to further the "Is Celine Dion Crap?" debate. Two words: "Think
j> Twice". Rather good, actually.
She reminds me of Danny Kayes song "The Emporors New Cloths". People are going
"Oh, Ah" at her but her style & taste is about 40 years out of date.
Kevin McLeod
I've seen Titanic twice without captions, once with captions. And
actually, the captions didn't add a great deal to the film. The
settings practially telegraph what the actors are saying. This isn't a
great dialogue movie, a point many critics have been quick to make,
and the relationships between all the characters is pretty clear.
The power of this film is the visual experience, together with the
fact that it portrays historical reality. Yes, some Hollywood license
is taken, but even those elements are completely believable.
All you really need to know going in is that this mainly the story
about a depressed rich girl who catches the eye of a poor young man.
Fate brings them together, and fate...well, you'll have to find out
the rest yourself. Don't let the lack of captions stop you from
enjoying this movie on the big screen. You'll be glad you went.
BTW, I disagree with Andy Barber's view on Celine Dion, but I admire
and enjoy his eloquence in presenting it!
- DeafScribe