Deaf Community Dying?
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topic, 'Deaf Community Dying?', originally posted in WHATSUP5 public VAX notes
conference. It show the incredible insenstivities, diversities, and opinions at
Gallaudet University alone! This shows that we all need to learn from one
another, warts and all, in order to make a better society for the deaf in the
future. I'd suggest that you print it out, and read at your leisure. It's a
long posting. Enjoy, and learn what Gally U. is all about...
Todd Elliott
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GALLUJ::11TELLIOTT "Zarathustra" 14 lines 1-FEB-1992 23:43
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Yet another boring topic for WHASSUP5? Hark! This should be a hot one!
In the recent issue of Buff and Blue (Vol. 100, Issue 9, Page 2), there
was an article of a deaf gene found, in Costa Rica, of all places. They
found it in the genes of Felix Mongue, a guy with predominately deaf
genes, and 86 deaf descendants! But the tragedy is this: This can be
used and abused by some people, and misguided parents to eridicate
Deafness! This is called Genengineering, short for genetic engineering.
Does the right of a culture to exist takes precedence over the right of
the parents to choose a child free of any disabilities? Clearly, this
is a step in the wrong direction, or what? If we all can choose to have
deaf children, then we all would gladly choose that? I don't know what
the future holds for us, for science is killing us slowly... Truly we
are the Last of the Mohicans! Your thoughts, anyone?
Todd Elliott
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GALLUJ::11MWARNER "VAX FREAK!!!" 12 lines 2-FEB-1992 01:15
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Monkey Boy, stay on the damn point!
Anyway, it really confuses me because I was a native of one culture and
coming into another culture so this is an interesting topic. I don't
really know how a hearing parent could really change their genes to
make a child hearing. And I think deafness will be around for a VERY
long time.
PSYCHO
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GALLUJ::11AGREGG 11 lines 2-FEB-1992 12:53
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But, I prefer for people to leave the nature of its handicap of the
5 senses such as: deafness, blind, walking impared, nose impared &
mental impared. If the dieases such as hutchinson, parkinson, obesity,
deformities and the rest of unnatural causes would be prefer to be
eliminated. Why some of them causes death, lack of social life and more
difficulty. Deaf, blind and the rest is easier because there are more
people like us than the people with deformities, & avoidable dieases.
Ya catch my drift?
~Gitch~
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GALLUJ::12RROBINSON 1 line 2-FEB-1992 14:02
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WE'll all be special if we'll be the last deaf people in the world.
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GALLUJ::11NMCDEVITT "Buchanan in '92" 12 lines 2-FEB-1992 14:17
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It'd be wonderful in the politicians point of view....No deaf people,
therefore, no money going to pay for them etc. etc.
BUT ( a very big but)
I think that deaf people are so wonderfully immersed in their deafness,
that they'd do everything in their power to stop it...Frankly, folks,
Geneengineering could become the next "abortion" topic of the 21st
Century....
Preza.
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GALLUJ::11NMCDEVITT "Buchanan in '92" 6 lines 2-FEB-1992 14:18
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let me clarify my last sentence....." Do Parents have the right to
determine their child's outcome??" sound similiar to " Do women have
the right to have a baby??"
Prez.
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GALLUJ::11SGERLIS 2-FEB-1992
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Deaf Community dying?
Heavans NO!!!
Why? It's growing!!! Now the census report has estimante that
deaf popluation is approxitmely 22 million in U.S.A. That's lot and
still growing. Also says the largest handicapped in U.S.A. are deaf.
The second largest handicapped are blinds, which is only approxitmely 8
million (not sure)
Therefore the deaf population is growing rapidly.. Believe me. I
betcha you all you will never know nor reconizge a deaf person because
that deaf person is practically normal execpt a hearing loss!!!
All rights reserved to deaf community!
DEAF POWER!!!!!!!
A dang blasted proud deaf man
Sean
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "VAX POWER!" 18 lines 2-FEB-1992 18:17
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Where did you get that information, Sean? For all I know last
year, the Census Bureau certified that there are only 20 million
Americans who are either deaf or hard-of-hearing. But 22 million,
it look like deaf Americans are breeding like rats in one year??
It would take about two-five years before the population
of deaf/hh Americans surpass 22 million. Let's not forget the older
folks who are in alarming rate lossing between 40% to 80% of hearing.
By the way, geneng(genetic engineering) is the only medicial
solution to deafness because there are more and more state of the
art medicial technologies that would benefit all handicappeds in-
cluding deaf people. Do you rather prefer people who are deaf stay
deaf forever? I doubt it.
After all, despite our deafness and our pride, we all have
the deepest wish: to be hearing. Period.
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GALLUJ::11TELLIOTT "Zarathustra" 3 lines 2-FEB-1992 18:52
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Sorry, Underhill, but that remark of yours was offensive. I'd suggest
you retract and apologize.
Todd Elliott
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GALLUJ::11TSUGGS "Always whining!!!!" 20 lines 2-FEB-1992 18:55
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*laughing angrily*
Wish to be hearing?
How could you even dare say that? I have no friggin' wish to be hearing
at all. This makes it sooo obvious that you have NO respect for your
deafness. I would NEVER EVER want to be hearing because then I'd miss
out on the glorious culture of the Deaf, the amazing world we are in.
One reason I LOVE being Deaf is that I get to see people's TRUE
perspective of the world--being Deaf gives you an unique perspective on
life--and I see how gray hearing people's perspectives are. So I'm 100%
glad I'm Deaf. Now, you have really insulted me by claiming we have a
real desire to be hearing. I just hope you watch what you say from now
on, because that will definitely get you into a L O T of hot water.
Jeez, some people...are such hypocrites. If you would rather be
hearing, then go to a hearing university, become a hearie. It's as
simple as that.
T. (WHo's DAMN Proud to be DEAF, thank you!)
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GALLUJ::11SGERLIS "sCrAm Or DiE!" 14 lines 2-FEB-1992 18:56
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Undie...
you really dang blasted barking up into a wrong tree, (implying from
Femchav's remark)
I don't want to hear any those illogical from you again! Please
undie what I mean. I am 3rd generation deaf family.. I consider myself
as dang blasted normal person because I live where the communication is
purely A.S.L.!!! Thank you! and please have you to re-correct your
statement.
Thank you....
Sean
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GALLUJ::11ABEAL 25 lines 2-FEB-1992 18:59
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Underhill....
That remark was definitely offensive and I suggest that you
do something about it before you get shot down...
I come from a very large deaf family in fact (four
generations)... I must say that you are definitely putting words into
my mouth and that is not coming out of my mouth at all not in my
lifetime or in any other lifetime...
I would like to remind you or maybe refresh your memory on
how damn proud I am to be a deaf person and am capable of functioning
in this WORLD... It is true that we are being oppressed by the hearing
and AM sorry to say this but I believe you are definitely oppressing
your own deafness...
I would suggest that you apologize profusely and
immediately....
Alana
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GALLUJ::11SHARDY "Cogito, ergo sum" 16 lines 2-FEB-1992 20:45
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Mr. Underhill,
Do you have a "Death Wish" or what; you just put yourself in a firing
squad, as the deaf jury reads the verdict "Mr. Robert Underhill is guilty of
treason and his punishment is DEATH."
This is a very serious charge, Mr. Underhill, you should reconsider
your statement that you wrote or leave Gallaudet at once. We do give
people the right to be but not the right to degrade deaf people as this
is pure injustice towards the deaf people.
Think again, Mr. Underhill, be a man and tell everyone that you are
sorry and think before you say anything towards the deaf, it can cause
problems.
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GALLUJ::11AGREGG 7 lines 2-FEB-1992 21:07
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But Robert Underhill was simply stating his meaning from his
own eyes. Am I wrong? There ARE some deaf people who wishes
to be hearing. There ARE some hearing people who wishes they
could turn deaf ears as easily as we can.
~Gitch~
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GALLUJ::11WKOCH "Goofy lives!" 13 lines 2-FEB-1992 21:13
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I personally think, Underhill has nothing to apologize about!!! I mean
everyone has their own rights in what they believe in!!! That is what
the constitution is all about!!! Personally, we miss out on alot of
things when we are deaf.. But then again, at times it is a blessing!!!
But being hearing, you wouldn't be criticized!!! I'm sure some of you
individuals who had been discriminated or criticized dued to your
deafness (I do not consider Deafness as a handicap!!!!) You would
sometime think what would it be like!!! I mean it must have at least
crossed your mind at least once in your life!!!! But like I said it
depends on the individuals!!!!
Goofy
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GALLUJ::11NJUNGHEIM "Why not?" 38 lines 2-FEB-1992 22:25
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True... Underhill has the right to say what he has had said...
AND the people who have demanded Underhill to apogilize also have a
rigtht to demand that he apogilize. Who's right here? The indivudal
or the group? This is clearly a moral question, and a problem we face
in everyday society. The group tries to press the indivudal into
accepting their views, and if the indivudal rebels, he or she is exiled
from that group. However, the Consitution protects the indivudal,
whether the group likes it or not. Everyone has a right to free
speech, but it is a question of how much free speech a person can have.
Confusing, isn't it? WELL.... I got that little bit of thinking
from my Moral Philosophy class, and that class has really opened my
eyes to society around me. However, I don't have any answers to who is
more right, Underhill or the deaf "group". Still I DO have an opinion
about this!
If a scientist invented something that would give a deaf person
perfect hearing, I think deafness will die out within around 100 years.
Oh sure!! Most of the people who are already deaf today will refuse to
become hearing, but what about deaf babies born into hearing families?
About 90% of today's deaf people come from hearing families, and won't
it be logical that the hearing parents would have their deaf babies
become hearing? That means that the deaf population will be cut down
to only 10%, and don't forget, there will always be SOME deaf people
who will want to become hearing in that remaining 10 percent. Deafness
will slowly die out until it will become eventually a lost culture
remembered only by interested hearing sociologists.
Depressing isn't it? I REALLY think that this is a question that
will have to be confronted by deaf people some day in the not too
distant future, as technology continutes its furious march forward.
Be prepared for that day, if it ever comes!!
Nick!
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GALLUJ::11RBONDROFF "Zoom off to SeAtTlE or bust!" 17 lines 2-FEB-1992 23:39
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I must admit, I second Nick Junghiem (sp?)'s reply. He made good
points..
But.... I'm proud of being deaf of course. I will NEVER be hearing...
Think about what Nick says.. Robert has his own opinion..of course he
made a mistake saying that ALL OF US have the deepest desire to be
hearing.... He should say that some or a few of deaf people desire to
be hearing...I mean in general....
Whoa, I do agree most of you saying that we never want to be hearing..
sure.. that's great with us... unfortunately, there are some people out
there that have no connections with Gally or whatever have deepest
desire to be hearing and go for cochlear implants or anything..it's
their choice, not our choice...
Reddy
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GALLUJ::16RTAYLOR "Lady Cavs will Win NCAA Champs!" 5 lines 2-FEB-1992 23:50
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Underhill, I understand your point of view. But you got it wrong in
general. I'm from deaf family (fourth generations) and I have NO
regrets to be deaf.
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GALLUJ::11RLUFTIG 18 lines 3-FEB-1992 00:13
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Undie....
Where are you?? I still haven't seen any sort of reply of urs...
hidin' out, huh?
Come out like a man and have your say...defend yourself, apologize,
make a clarification, whatever....just say something!!
Oh, by the way, yeah...I do also strongly disagree with ur statement that
all of us have a deep desire to be hearing. I just CAN'T imagine being
a hearing person! I would be totally different with totally different
experiences! I believe I would be a lesser person if I backtracked and
was born hearing & remained hearing throughout my life cuz of the loss of
the rich experiences I would have went through as a deaf person.
So, Undie...I'm sure that all of us would appreciate your comin' out
and at least sayin' something!
*phew!*
-Becky
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GALLUJ::11TSUGGS "Always whining!!!!" 12 lines 3-FEB-1992 00:21
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Look, Underhill DOES have the right to say what he wants. I was just
offended by the fact that he said basically we ALLLLLLL have a desire
to be deaf. Excuse me? Maybe he HIMSELF does have a desire to be
hearing, but for him to say that I and everyone else wants to be Deaf
too is complete hogwash. I don't like anyone deciding what I feel, and
that's what Underhill was basically implying. Otherwise he has a right
to his opinion...he just better not say what MY opinions are.
THanks.
T.
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GALLUJ::11THAMMOND "Andrew's Fading" 7 lines 3-FEB-1992 00:46
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Sometimes it's frustrating being deaf, and soemtimes I wish I could
understand what's going on in my home when they laugh or share
something without thinking to include me in on it, but at the same
time, when I am with others who understand what I feel, deafness
doesn't even feel like deafness, feels like I'm a human being is all..
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GALLUJ::11DMCVAY "The Undertaker" 3 lines 3-FEB-1992 00:47
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Sometimes I feel inhuman in my own home too...
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GALLUJ::12PROBERTSON "Southern Boy" 2 lines 3-FEB-1992 09:01
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Keep it up!!! I am not going to run away from the island where our
deaf community is...
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GALLUJ::11MWARNER "VAX FREAK!!!" 9 lines 3-FEB-1992 09:38
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I'm in a hearing family so I wholeheartedly agree with .24 and .25.
As some of you know, I grew up hearing, but would I go back? That
would be a very tough question for me.
PSYCHO
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GALLUJ::TMMONIGAN "ScRaM oR dIe? Do It YoUrSeLf!" 3 lines 3-FEB-1992 09:42
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It is because Pyscho, .24, and .25 did not accept to be deaf. It caused
you to feel sorry for yourself that u are deaf! Try to learn to be deaf
instead of being a hearing person!
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GALLUJ::11MWARNER "VAX FREAK!!!" 8 lines 3-FEB-1992 09:44
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You missed the point! I am deaf now! But could I go back to hearing?
I don't think I could. I'm happier now than when I was hearing. I
guess you could literally say becoming deaf opened my eyes.
PSYCHO
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GALLUJ::TMMONIGAN "ScRaM oR dIe? Do It YoUrSeLf!" 3 lines 3-FEB-1992 10:04
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My point is that You agreed with them and I am telling you that they
have to accept that they are deaf than being cry babies about being
DEAF! Thenk Yew *phew*
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GALLUJ::11AGREGG 13 lines 3-FEB-1992 10:15
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It would be nice to hear a man whispering sweet nothings in
by my ear & hear him sing to ME. It also would be nice to
hear heavy metal sing word by word fluently without having
to replay it 1,000 times to catch the whole lyrics. It ain't
a pretty sight. It would be nice to talk fluently with my
hearing family thru the phone & not having to depend on my
mom. I AM seperated from my hearing family just because I
have difficulty getting the dialogue going smoothly. See?
I do have the desire to hear once more. Robert Underhill
was also speaking for people like me.
~Gitch~
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GALLUJ::TMMONIGAN "ScRaM oR dIe? Do It YoUrSeLf!" 3 lines 3-FEB-1992 10:20
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it is because your desire, not mine! I respect that with no question.
My question is that do you accept your deafness? Just wondering.. That
will be my last question about accept deafness or not!
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "VAX POWER!" 68 lines 3-FEB-1992 10:29
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Now I am here and I am VERY FURIOUS with you all that I
should apologize and demanded to explain. Nobody force me to do so, it
is my opinion and I am just being matter-of-factly, okay?
First of all, some of you people(offended ones) have no common
senses in understanding what is meant to be wished to be hearing. I
am surprised with you people have taking too much damn pride in
deafness, you should thank yourself for being human, I do. But what
dissed me is that you demanded me that I apologize. I refuse.
This is my dissension and I have every reason to believe that
all deaf people have the same feeling: wish to be hearing. Even
YOU don't know that, it is in your own hearts, your own souls that
carry the truth. You cannot be deaf, body and soul! Some deaf
people have stated that before and it is their mistakes. I try not
to be judgemental, but sometimes, the truth hurts. We are, especially
me, deaf and admitted that we are part of millions of Americans who
are handicapped.(We are NOT off the list!This is not labelling.)
We are deaf in physical(body), but not in soul. Let's not forget
we are mortals too! We are subject to all diseases, physical
defections, disorders, including deafness! We are vulnerable to this,
but our souls are not. Even when we die, we WILL get our hearing back
when walking toward the light. Do you know that every deaf American
born hearing for only a slight moment? This is true, even me, even
you. We lost our hearing after we were born(i.e. disease). I know
some interesting stories about deaf people from strong deaf families
but there are no questions that they are hearing in soul, even they
are deaf and proud of it.
I am also surprised that some of you people have taking too much
pride in deafness. Remember, pride is mortal sin. How would I suppose
to feel about a man who is blind feel pride about blindness? That's
BS! A blind man's greatest wish is to see. A deaf man(or woman)'s
greatest wish is to hear. Let's not be idiots here. You don't know
that in your heart, even in the deepest corner, that you wanted to
be hearing. Same thing for a blind man or woman. I NEVER heard of
any blind pride thing, there is nothing to be proud of being blinded.
Just pity. You know, the guy who is deaf and blind here in Gallaudet
( I don't know his name)? The one with the red coat and the stick?
One student who worked with him say that being blind does not
make him proud of it. He WISH to see everything, he want to SEE
the colors, the people, especially us, I. King Jordan, everything,
especially one certain special lady...Helen Keller. There are alot
of pictures of her, she was famous and this guy WANTED to SEE what
she look like. That is a blind man's perspective and it is the oldest
perspective for the blinded.
The deaf perspective is what is like to be hearing. I would like
to know what is like to be hearing(without hearing aids). You
would like to know what is like to be hearing. It would be a wonder-
ful experience. But there is deaf pride. C'mon, people, wake up and
smell the bloody coffees! There is a perspective we see here in Life
and that perspective is humanity. Deaf or hearing, no matter, we are
still human beings and we HAVE weaknesses, including deafness.
And that is why we have new medicial technologies that would
able to deal with deafness and I am not just saying that deaf culture
is heading for its destruction, deaf culture will survive for just a
long time and that is why we will be able to preserve it as part of
our history and the history of the human race. This is similar to
the Mayan and other old South American cultures that survived for
centuries and it is still working even today.
I anticipated this criticism and disappointments from you and
expect alot more. But I think it is high time for you to understand
our perspective and mine. I will understand your opinions and
held it to the highest regard. And let's be positive. Okay, people?
Peace.
Thank you,
Robert S Underhill
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GALLUJ::11TELLIOTT "Zarathustra" 5 lines 3-FEB-1992 10:52
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Sorry, Underhill- It is still offensive. How dare you speak for all of
the Deaf people? Speak for yourself, and no one else! Secondly, I was
born deaf. There's no such thing that all deaf were once hearing!
Thirdly, I have NO desire to see what it's like to be hearing!
Todd Elliott
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GALLUJ::16RTAYLOR "Lady Cavs will Win NCAA Champs!" 3 lines 3-FEB-1992 10:58
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Underhill, I'd like to know how did you determine that when we walk
toward the light and we'd be hearing? In your dreams! If we go to
hell, we stay deaf. If in heaven, that's difference!
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GALLUJ::12MWINGFIELD "Rotten Maggot" 2 lines 3-FEB-1992 11:08
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Hey, Underdunghead, I want to say something. #$%! off!!!! I damn wish
NOT to be hearing, period!
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GALLUJ::11TSUGGS "Always whining!!!!" 10 lines 3-FEB-1992 11:24
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Jesus, is this Underhill for real?
Underhill--DO NOOOOOOOOOT SPEAK FOR ME, PLEASE! IT IS VERY ANNOYING!
First of all, I was born deaf, DEAF, D E A F! It's in my genes.
Second, maybe I should put this in a perspective that YOU can
understand:
I want to be hearing as much as you want to be gay (based upon your
previous comments on homosexuality).
Jeez!
T.
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GALLUJ::11ABEAL 24 lines 3-FEB-1992 11:56
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Underhill....
Geez wheez!!!! Whats happening to your brain cells these
days... You are still putting words in my mouth.. YES you have every
right to express your opinions at least it comes straight out from you
directly and only from you as one.. DO not speak for others...
I am perfectly capable of saying things on my own without
assistance of others and especially from you commenting on how
distraught you are to be hearing..
I must say it is O B V I O U S that you have not yet
accepted your deafness.. You see it as a problem, or maybe a
disability.. Needless to add on because I am in no place to put words
in your mouth.. Next time think before you speak C A R E F U L L Y
otherwise you ll get BLASTED!!
I still am awaiting an apology from you.. If you were a man
enough, you would...
Alana
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GALLUJ::11ABEAL 7 lines 3-FEB-1992 12:07
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Oh... You want me to say hes a DOG.. or a sorriest excuse for living..
In that case I am afraid he is...
Still awaiting.............
Alana
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GALLUJ::11DHUNTER "Duke" 3 lines 3-FEB-1992 12:15
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going......going......Gone.....
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "VAX POWER!" 9 lines 3-FEB-1992 12:41
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Oh, jeez. First, I am NOT speaking for others.
Second, being proud to be deaf is okay. It is for all of us.
Third, I am stating that YOU never know. I am not speaking for
you, I am referring to your own knowledge.
Lastly, let's knock it off and be human.
Thank you.
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GALLUJ::TMMONIGAN "ScRaM oR dIe? Do It YoUrSeLf!" 3 lines 3-FEB-1992 13:04
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Not without apologize from you, I am speaking of Robert Underhill. It
is your second time to cause some kind of war on Whatsup5. Homo and
deaf! poor you!
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GALLUJ::11SGERLIS "sCrAm Or DiE!" 9 lines 3-FEB-1992 13:07
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Please...
Please...... be a gentleman...
Delete your reply... its better for the worse!!!
Take my advice!!
A dammmned proud deaf person!
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GALLUJ::11NMCDEVITT "A.N.E. with a nice attitude!" 22 lines 3-FEB-1992 13:43
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I'd advise Mr. Underhill not to...
He does have every right to express his feelings as Mr. Jungheim
said, But we as people have to stand back and take a objective look at
ourselves...and I think that Mr. Underhill made a very important
comment....we are all in the need to be hearing...
Now IO consider my self to be a dearie, or heafie, whichever you
prefer...and I would like to stop this being stuck in the middle..but I
can't I'm too ingrained in the hearing world to really get out of
it...Lessee, If i were to count the number of spoken words that I've
spoken and compared them to the signed words, the spoken words would
count for 99%...
I have a desire...
To become a normal person...to be totally free from the bonds of
deafness...but as I realize that it won't happen...then I live with it,
but not without that desire...
Prez.
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GALLUJ::11TELLIOTT "Zarathustra" 6 lines 3-FEB-1992 14:02
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Neil, I disagree with what you said, but I respect it, because it's
your opinion and desire. Nothing wrong with wanting desires of any
sort. But this Underhill guy turns me off by IMPLYING that me, you,
him, and every single deaf person desires to be hearing! That's
ridiculous, and demand that he speak for himself, not for all of us!
Todd Elliott
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GALLUJ::11ABEAL 20 lines 3-FEB-1992 14:11
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Pee Wee..
Everyone is responsible for their actions.. To be frank with you
you refuse to see to this point that you have made a mistake by saying
things for all of us..
Why cant you be an adult enough to be responsible and apologize
like a human being like you said.. I understand perfectly that you are
entitled to your own opinions or expression but do not say for everyone
else...
I think my point is well taken.. Still no words from you???
Grow up wont you??
Alana
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GALLUJ::11AGREGG 13 lines 3-FEB-1992 14:49
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I live 10 minutes away from the Military base at my
hometown. It is the town full of single soliders. I
get a lot of dates there. IT would be NICE to hear
a date talk & me talking back fluently with NO problems.
Of course, it would be wonderful opportunity to hear
again. There is a BIG difference between wearing hearing
aids & be hearing. Everyone I've met at my hometown that's
deaf wishes they were hearing!
~Gitch~
P.S. You're at Gallaudet University, that explains. But, in
your hometown, that is something else!
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GALLUJ::11RBRYANT "don't mess with TEXAS!" 5 lines 3-FEB-1992 15:35
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Ammmmmmyyyyyyy... Oh plezzzze!! I understand your desire to be a
hearing person but you have remeber that some deaf people pefer to
remain DEAF!!! Underhuh and you don't speak for the majority.
Underhuh.. I am still waiting....* Buffing fingernails *
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GALLUJ::11AGREGG 6 lines 3-FEB-1992 16:53
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I was speaking for the majority at my
HOMETOWN!
~Gitch~
P.S. I'll SHUT-UP!
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "VAX POWER!" 27 lines 3-FEB-1992 17:10
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People, will you never understand, especially Alana. I will
not delete it or apologize. My comments stand. I don't think it
is necessary for me to apologize over a comment that is nothing
suggestive or offensive to anybody. I know being deaf is very
sensitive issue. But who care? I may accept my deafness and
I ONLY wish to be hearing for some GOOD reasons, like experience.
Some of you, especially dear Alana Beal, have strong deaf
backgrounds and I understand the concerns, but the world is
an ugly place to live with. We will have to endure it. Don't
tell me no bulls that the world don't need the likes of me be-
cause I am happening to be one angry deaf man and disappointing
with a huge gap among the deafs. I am not comfortable with it
and don't bother trying to tell me to get out. I am going stand
in the heat and God help me, nobody's going to stop me. Believe me,
I can change. Not everything.
You can rile me all you want, in the face of criticism from
the people I called "friends", I will face defeats and learn more.
But my comments will stand because I know the entire secrets
of deafness and wish to be hearing and I am not telling you because
like I said, the truth will hurt you.
"Accepting defeats is your path to victory. The final victory."
Confucius
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GALLUJ::11MGRAMER 40 lines 3-FEB-1992 17:43
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After reading all of the replies, I have came to a point:
there are too much oppression, too many stupid-unfeeling doctors,
too many ingorant hearing teachers, and too many uneducated deaf
individuals. All of this leads to misunderstanding. And too much
diversity.
If we all could agree to one thing, and be PROUD of who we are as Deaf
individuals, then we wouldn't hear from what undie said. If his
hearing parents were educated about ASL, deaf culture, and all that, he
would accept his deafness today. I am damn positive his parents did
not try to sign. This, puts this attitude in him. SAD, but it happens
to some deaf individuals like him.
BUT, WE are responsible for all that. We need more DEAF teachers, more
DEAF presidents, DEAF leaders as well, more DEAF professionals, and
MORE attitudally deaf citizens. WE need to be educated FIRST, before
we can educate those dummy HEARIES.
But, look at the world today- they still look for ways to change
deaf people to hearing people... we have to stop it. We have to ban
the implants, ban the vaccine for the spinal meningittis, that is if we
want to keep it ALIVE in the world of DEAF.
Let me tell you; DEAFNESS is a term of those clinical hearies;
so theres no such term. In the field of womaness? huh? same thing.
Underhill, I think you need to read back the first reply, and think
about what u said. It is a fact that what u said was put in the wrong
terms. You should reconsider about apologizing to the Deaf community.
Deaf is not an handicap, SIMPLY because it has culture of its own.
If we didn't have culture and language the one and only, ASL, then we
are handicapped (impossible!)
Get it??????????????????????????? Underhill?
Why dont you take some courses? ASL structure or something like that?
U are one of those uneducated deaf individuals!
-melinni
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GALLUJ::11NMCDEVITT "A.N.E. with a nice attitude!" 11 lines 3-FEB-1992 17:47
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It makes me wonder....
If deaf people are so adamant about protecting their culture, that
they'd bar others from enjoying those benefits. Perhaps parents will
want to let their child grow up hearing instead of deaf...I have no
problem with that...What I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS PEOPLE TELLING US
THAT WE SHOULD ELIMINATE ALL POSSIBLE CURES. That is preposterous...No
one would fall for that////
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GALLUJ::11TSUGGS "Always whining!!!!" 11 lines 3-FEB-1992 17:52
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I agree completely with Melinni. I'm just pissed at you Underhill for
speaking for me. HOw dare you decide that I want to be hearing, that I
have a desire to be hearing? I agree that you have EVERY right to say
what you feel, but that's the point--it's only what *YOU* feel, not
what EVERYONE feels. I am so insulted that you'd determine MY inner
feelings, my inner opinions, and so on. So just apologize for speaking
for me. Don't apologize for what you feel--only apologize for what you
said I FELT. Thank you.
T.
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GALLUJ::11MGRAMER 19 lines 3-FEB-1992 17:55
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Like you said, they really want to protect their deaf culture,
then it is possible that all those unneccessary cures will be
eliminated. ONLY Deaf people can decide that. They would have to do
something. That also depends on how strong they are, too.
Complaining and being concerned are two different things.
Complaining does not get anywhere. Being concerned, you get to
do some action!
Think about it some more, I think u really aren't. Would you want
hearing kids? What would you do? How would you communicate with them?
If you had deaf kids, would you let them become hearing? Suppose there
was some cure, but only works on infants, and you are deprived of that.
WOULD YOU HONESTLY LET YOUR DEAF CHILD BECOME HEARING? I dont think
so.
Melinni
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GALLUJ::12LCLARKE "Moe" 19 lines 3-FEB-1992 18:34
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to .8----for your information, i have no more desire to be hearing
than to be blind! i grew up in a mainstream school system in new york
and was taught to speak and to read-lip and to be as "normal" as
possible. i don't blame my parents for taking this course of action.
However, i have reached the point where i take control of my own life
and make my own decisions.
during my brief stint at a hearing university, i met many students from
gallaudet and ntid and they impressed me with what they had to say
about their schools. therefore i decided to come to gallaudet and give
it a shot....i dont regret that decision at all!!!! underhill, i have
absolutely NO desire to be hearing, not after what i have gone through
all my life and what i have right now....i'm a pure deaf in heart and
in mind....
you may feel that you want to be hearing, which is fine with me.
just remember that your feelings do not necessarily reflect those of
others. now that is something for you to keep in mind before you
decide to make one of those encompassing remarks....
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GALLUJ::11RBONDROFF "Zoom off to SeAtTlE or bust!" 28 lines 3-FEB-1992 18:50
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Whoa Whoa.. I've been reading about 40 replies...
Oh yes, I'm proud to be deaf, and i have no intention to go back to be
a hearing person.. it's impossible thing for most of the deaf people to
go back to hearing eventhough they must keep their deafness....
But but..... one thing...underhill is right in one way.... about the
deaf-blind guy, named Chris. He have a desire to be sighted because he
can't see at all..I really understand how he feels. As for myself, I
have Usher's Syndrome, and I have to accept it, but i do NOT want to
have it...I want to be 100 percent SIGHTED.. but luckily that i have
plenhty of vision left so i do not have to worry about it... but think
about the future....I've worked with a lot of deaf-blind people and
talked with them.. they have NO desire to be BLIND.. They have been
thorugh frustrations, horror stories, etc etc.....I know what it's
like...
But deafness is unique....of course...
Imagine if you're strapped in a wheelchair becuz you're a paralegic or
have cerebral palsy..what do you wish for??? think about it
carefully....
Some people have different reactions.. I really understand Underhill,
but about deafness is a different story...i'm happy to be one! :-)
Reddky
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "VAX POWER!" 14 lines 3-FEB-1992 19:15
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The truth about handicapped people is that they all have wishes...
to walk, to run, to see, to move, to jump, to hear and so on.
I am deaf, I am handicapped and have damn good reasons for this.
And Sugg, quit whining about me invading your feelings. Like I
said that is nothing suggestive. You are way off point.
And Miles, congratulation, you just won an one dollar prize! FYI,
I am NOT uneducated. As you will understand, I have been here for
three years, trying to learn a great deal about deaf culture, okay?
Be more careful what you say.
Not guilty
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GALLUJ::11MWARNER "Psychomania is running wild!" 14 lines 3-FEB-1992 19:21
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I agree with Reddy in .62 about the handicapped. My girlfriend uses
crutches to walk from Cerebral Palsy. She really wants to walk more
than anything. She don't give a damn about the deafness part. I guess
that really told me something because when I met her, I was still only
deaf for about a year and a half. I think that inspired me from being
deaf to being DEAF. And maybe that's why I love her so much and always
will.
Just my 2
PSYCHO
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GALLUJ::11ESANTISTEV "Nerdasaurus Rex" 43 lines 3-FEB-1992 20:06
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Such a nice little vicious argument is going on here, can't help but
give my 2 cents.
First the Deaf thing. As I explained to my dearest mom, most Deaf
people want to be hearing about as much as I want to be white. Sure,
it would be nice not to have to deal with racial prejudice, not to be
the only brown face in my fraternity composites, not to have anyone
tell me how much I've accomplished for being Hispanic, sure, in society
it is generally easier to be white than the more aestheticlly pleasing
brown, but God made me brown and I like it and I don't want to be
white. So, I can see the Deaf opinion on this. On the other hand, I
know some friends who are tired of this, tired of the oppression tired
of everything, and wouldn't mind being white. Their business.
Now, the more offensive part. I've noticed an appalling lack of
openess here. Robert, know for his inflamatory views, has once again
hit a sensitive nerve here in Whatsupland. Trudster et. al., let me
make this clear, you, hmmm, how do I phrase this, hmm, let's see, want
to get the right mixture of honesty and tact in here, hmmm, let's see,
oh, I got it.
Trudster et.al., you disgust me, your comments are the kind of fascist,
PC puke that iritates me like festering boil on my butt.
I hope you get my point. You don't like his comments, feel it is
wrong for him to speak for all deaf people? Too bad, whatever happened
to respect for other's speech and opinions? Or does that only count
when the people write things that agree with you all? Now it's one
thing to disagree, but to do all this? No, I don't think so, and don't
lay that "well he shoudn't speak for all deaf, it's not me, it hurts my
feelings" garbage on me. You don't like his opinion, give your own,
don't attack him. You're more than welcome to say "Robert doesn't
speak for all deaf and I think this, and this." but these personal
attacks? These demands for apologies, give me a break. If your
feelings are hurt so easily, go somewhere else and find a sandbox to
play in, it will be alot more safer and no one will hurt your precious
feelings.
Robert, I don't believe in what you said, but I believe in your right
to say it in an atmosphere of freedom and respect, I'd apologize to
these bunch of PC jerk-offs when the nether world freezes over. Hang
tough, no one ever said it was easy or safe not being a herd animal.
Nerdasaurus Rex
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GALLUJ::11MWARNER "Psychomania is running wild!" 14 lines 3-FEB-1992 20:09
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Hey Sean Gerlis made an educational reply! Hope TMMONIGAN doesn't ruin
this moment. *grin*
Anyway, back to the point. Sure I can accept anybody as a friend. I
don't care about anything stupid like color, religion, sexual
orientation, etc. All I care about is if a person is friendly with me,
I'll be friendly back.
2
PSYCHO
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GALLUJ::12RROBINSON 10 lines 3-FEB-1992 22:11
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I'm disappointed. Underhill has nothing to apologize for. Why can't the
some of you respect other people's opinions?
I can understand why Undie feels the way he feels. Being deaf can be
good but can be a pain in the butt also. All of you know that. I mean
it's frustrating to have interpreters not showing up, always having to
fight for your rights, etc.
For peace's sake, we better not reply anymore and forget this topic.
Heck, there are more than 600 other topics.
Adios
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GALLUJ::11TSUGGS "Always whining!!!!" 16 lines 3-FEB-1992 22:36
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Ernie...*laughing* What do you know? Race and deafness are really
different. Sure, there are similiarities, but there are a lot of
differences.
Sorry, Underhill, but I"m going to publicize this. Underhill sent me
an email apologizing. I think it's about time he apologized.
Back to you, Ernie...I just don't want anyone saying to my face, "You
want to be hearing." That's like me going up to you and saying, "You
want to be white, Ernie." I TOTALLY respect Underhill's opinion...I
think it's great he had guts to say it on Whatsup5. I just don't want
him to speak for me. THAT'S SOO SIMPLE, ERNIE!
*duh*
T.
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GALLUJ::11SHARDY "Cogito, ergo sum" 8 lines 3-FEB-1992 22:45
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In order to understand the Deaf, you have to be one!
*Pass the popcorn, please*
Pigmentation color is not the same as unoperatable body parts, not even
close, but nice try Ern.
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GALLUJ::11ASHETTLE 33 lines 3-FEB-1992 23:20
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I hate to digress from what has turned into a stimulating (if rather
touchy shouting-match-type of) discussion, but I felt I had to comment
on Reddy's description of wheelchair users as being "strapped" to their
wheelchairs.
I have a roommate who uses a wheelchair, and when I went to college in
California there was a graduate student on my floor who used a
wheelchair. If a fairy godmother were to come up to either one of them
and offer to wave a magic wand so they could walk like your average
person, I'm sure they'd both be happy to take the chance. But they
don't see their wheelchairs as something that "confines" them. Their
wheelchairs FREE them to do things and go places they couldn't do or
visit if they had a wheelchair.
I think the problem is that wheelchairs have become so closely
associated with physical disability that some people have come to
define the wheelchairs themselves as BEING the disability. Nuh-uh--a
wheelchair is a TOOL.
If society went out and kidnapped nondisabled people and glued their
butts to a wheelchair, then THESE people would LITERALLY be confined to
their wheelchairs, because there are indeed things you can't do from a
wheelchair that you can do on your own two, healthy feet. These
hypothetical butt-glued-to-the-wheelchair folks are having something
taken AWAY from them.
Physically disabled people, however, are being GIVEN something when
they obtain a wheelchair. They are being given greater freedom,
freedom they would not have without a wheelchair.
I'll get off my soapbox and let the discussion get back on track.
--The Red Trek
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GALLUJ::11CYEOMAN "Doc" 28 lines 4-FEB-1992 00:19
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Finally finished reading all 75 replies...
I must admit that I grew up in Hearing culture where I
was taught to speak and lip-reading like Moe said.... My parent wanted
the best for me and I am glad that they did their best they can to
teach me. I am profoundly deaf myself and can't hear at all not even
with hearing aids, only a little. I knew that I was raised with pure
deaf in my heart and have a lot of deaf friends to hang out. Of
course, they are not like my friends here at Gally but I still love
them!!! I have this friend who refused to come to Gally because she
think that Gally would be "too easy" for her and not the same amount of
education as hearing education. I tried to explained to her and
convinced her that Gally is not that easy... Also, she refused to hang
out with deaf people much. She would be with her deaf friends at home.
i wouldn't give up on trying to convince her and her mother is ver
strictly about deaf culture. I asssumed that she is being
"brainwashed" by her mother. If I was granted with a wish that I could
be hearing, I am still going to reject it because I love being deaf
because that is who I am... I am just proud to be deaf and I am glad to
come to Gallaudet for my sake and I am thankful that my parent let me
go wherever I want to go to college. They accepted my decision on
coming to Gallaudet, that's it... I am so proud to be deaf and that is
me... would do anything that I would not become deaf!!!
doc
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GALLUJ::11KEWAN "Fearsome Skull" 16 lines 4-FEB-1992 02:14
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Those who whine about DEAF, have their rights because they have
been in the DEAF world. But those who have been trying to learn about
the DEAF culture should not be negative towards the culture. What kind
of a fool would say something negative about a culture that s/he has
been trying to learn??
And I'm afraid that Mr. Santistevan is right after all, Miss Suggs.
You can be a fascist at times. You can only state YOUR own opinion,
but YOU can't oppress others from saying their own opinions. If one
thinks negative of something, the best way is to let the person learn
about that negative aura...instead of lambbasting the person on what he
said. Sure, it can be offensive, but that's life. I've been offended
on several occasions but I've voiced my disagreement and one of the
lessons I've learned was NOT to oppress others' opinions.
K-
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GALLUJ::11TSUGGS "Always whining!!!!" 6 lines 4-FEB-1992 09:00
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And all I was trying to tell Underhill was *NOT* to speak for me.
*sigh*
T.
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GALLUJ::TMMONIGAN "ScRaM oR dIe? Do It YoUrSeLf!" 8 lines 4-FEB-1992 13:20
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Psycho, You just ruin Sean's educational statement.
Anyway, I never consider DEAF as handicap. Underhill said in .63 that
He is deaf and it is H.C. to him. To me, It never exist on my list of
Vocabulary. That's his opinion, but I am sure millions of deaf people
agreed with me. We just can do anything but hear. That's all.
My two cent worth.
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GALLUJ::11JSONG 8 lines 4-FEB-1992 13:56
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I almost never reply to NOTES conference but I think I second Mr.Ewan's
opinion that when one learns a language and its respective culture, one
should never have a negative attitude or negative remarks. Excellent
point since I learned ASL and the Deaf culture for over two years and
am still fascinated with ASL and the flourishing Deaf culture. My
strategy? Put on a happy face, be interested, and don't complain.
-Janice
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GALLUJ::16RTAYLOR "Lady Cavs will Win NCAA Champs!" 5 lines 4-FEB-1992 14:12
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I seconded with Monigan!
I NEVER consider my deafness as a handicapped! Tim, don't you think
it's funnier to see people telling us that we are handicapped while
they are, too?
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "VAX POWER!" 16 lines 4-FEB-1992 14:16
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Ignore my blank reply on .82.
By the way, Trudy stated that "I apologized" to her in E-mail
and publicized it. Actually, I found out someone who was angry at me
about this deaf situation and used my account to say sorry to Trudy
which the culprit noticed Trudy's demand that I apologize in the
recent replies. However, I've already reported ComSer(Computer
Service) of the culprit and changed my password immediately. It must
be one of Trudy's vaxfriends. The culprit was probably a hacker.
I don't know how he or she got into my password.
Too bad, Trudy, I will NOT bow to your demands. Ernie described
that you are being a feminist fascist. I laughed my head off.
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GALLUJ::11SGERLIS "sCrAm Or DiE!" 32 lines 4-FEB-1992 14:35
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As being deafness to be an handicapped to me.. It's utterly wrong!!
Because I THRIVE though a deaf family. I see many hands come in my home
and leave my home. I see many hands in my bedroom since I was born. I
do live with hands. I cannnnnnnnnot live without hands! Which as I
consider myself as a purely normal kid in this world! Same as among the
other deaf people. Why?? Deaf population grew so so so rapidly!! and
There is alot of advantage in Community technology which helps us
better needs.. Closed capitoned... TDD... Doorbells... etc...
Please.... DO NOT CONSIDER YOURSELF AS "HANDICAPPED"!
I repeat.... "Please do not consider yourself as handicapped.
I do have a bad habit... expecting some kind of special better
privlages being deaf as handicapped... parking the car in HC zone...
Get into the line first becz of being helpless... Many more things... I
am beginning to working to withdraw my bad habits... I am trying to
stop those bad habits which I begin to resist some peer pressure,
saying hey.. once, it wont be hurt.. its nothing.. etc...
I am deaf, Yes.. but not an handicapped!!!! I can run, play, sleep,
talk, eat, jump, sit, write, read, viewing, etc.. You name it... Does
it applies to handicapped? Crippled? no! many other stuffs!!
I recommend you to try follow my steps. Do not consider yourself as
deaf in handicapped section! Deaf is only one defective loss in
hearing. It doesn't applies to others!! Hey, Fight hard!! Live your
life better!!
Deaf POWER!!
Sean
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GALLUJ::TMMONIGAN "ScRaM oR dIe? Do It YoUrSeLf!" 2 lines 4-FEB-1992 15:29
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So far, Many of us don't like to be called Handicapped! undie, Any
second thoughts?
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GALLUJ::PLJOHANSON "Pat Johanson" 20 lines 4-FEB-1992 16:17
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My, my, what a tempest in a teapot this is to be sure! If
not permitting deaf people to express anything other than
the politically correct deaf opinions (ASL is the only true
language, deaf people don't want to be hearing, deaf people
gotta marry other deaf people, blah, blah) is a part of
deaf culture, heck, then I'm embarrassed to be a part of the
deaf community/culture/wherever these fascist rules come from.
I thought we valued diversity and independence and all those
other boring old-fashioned values. Sure, I disagree with
Underhill that ALL deaf people want to become hearing, I
disagree with any statement that has the word ALL in it, cuz
things are never that black and white. But if he wants to
say it, so be it, why make a mountain out of a molehill?
I'm outta here now,
Pat Johanson
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GALLUJ::12JKURZ "Dude, )d 42! " 16 lines 4-FEB-1992 16:42
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Ok, here's my point..
In reality, deafness is an handicap. Simple, it is because we don't
have perfect ears, of course, and I agree that we DON'T feel
handicapped while it is anyway. I know being deaf is being handicapped,
but I DONT feel like one like most of y'all.
To those who disagree with what I said above:
IF..if..if you dont agree with me, then why the HECK are you doing
with the SSI money which is designed for handicapped people? Just go to
Financial Aid Office, and ask for SSI phone number, so you can call and
withdraw your income from the SSI to be non-handicapped. Til then, take
a hike!
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GALLUJ::11CYEOMAN "Doc" 13 lines 4-FEB-1992 16:51
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reply to .96
Deafness may be Handicap but it is called invisible
handicap because people don't know if you are deaf or not. In my heart,
I don't think of myself as handicap. I think of myself as hearing
impaired, that's all. Handicap means you are unable to do what u want.
The only thing we are unable is to hear. I don't need to hear to get
anything I want. I can speak or write.... It is hard for people to
notice which one is deaf. We can't go around and ask each person if
that person is deaf or not. That would be ridiculous!!!
doc
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GALLUJ::11ABEAL 31 lines 4-FEB-1992 18:00
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Undie? peewee??
Im still awaiting.. Looks like it has not come across to you that
what you have said was offensive and so forth.. No need to go blah blah
on this one here.. Would you get to the point knowing that you cannot
really speak for other people... How would you like it if I spoke for
you...
Handicap.. It is an ATTITUDE that we have here.. It is obviously
that you are handicapped in your own thoughts and feelings...
For those who are very proud to be deaf and I would like to make it
public known that I even want to have DEAF Children of my own... I do
not know how you UNDIE?PEEWEE Would feel about having kids.. I would
presume that he would want to have hearing kids of his own.. YES I am
putting words in his mouth...
How do you like it dearie???
Tasting your own dosage of medication now???
Alana
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "What's wrong with Gally?" 6 lines 4-FEB-1992 19:03
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I DON'T mind a hearing or deaf child, all I want is to have a
nice child who is human.
Thank you.
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "What's wrong with Gally?" 8 lines 4-FEB-1992 19:07
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For .88: Actually, I just found out that someone has used a
hacking program that use someone else's name and email to other
person saying blah blah, suggestive, or offensive words and not
the real things. But I still think that someone broke into my
account. Don't ask me how, talk to Ernie the Nerdasarus Rex.
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "What's wrong with Gally?" 9 lines 4-FEB-1992 19:11
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Jeez, this is my third reply straight. Reddy know an open vax
for me.
Reddy, I am talking serious here. This is not extraterristal
subject I am talking here. What I meant by human that is normal
and with intelligence and have similar gender(male or female).
If you want a baby, so screw for it.
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GALLUJ::11AGREGG 10 lines 4-FEB-1992 19:34
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Y'alls know what?
Robert Undyhill, Undie, Peewee, whatever
has his own last name - Underhill. I mean
There is no need to change his last name
while he has his. If you guys are changing
his last name, why don't you change the rest
of him?
~Gitch~
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GALLUJ::12BWHITE 2 lines 4-FEB-1992 19:59
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WE ARE PROUD TO BE DEAF!!!
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GALLUJ::11NMCDEVITT "A.N.E. with a nice attitude!" 10 lines 4-FEB-1992 20:52
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Don't get me wrong, I am proud too....but that often gives in to the
desire to be hearing...you know, when I look at myself sometimes...I
wonder if I could be somewhere better and different than perhaps
here...
Something to think about....
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GALLUJ::16RTAYLOR "Lady Cavs will Win NCAA Champs!" 10 lines 4-FEB-1992 23:09
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HEARING IMPAIRED = The Impair means trouble. Do you have Hearing
Trouble? Well, get lost!!
HANDICAPPED = Hand In Cap means beggars. Well, I preferred to be
called disabled than being handicapped!!
MCDEVITT ESTEEM = It looks like you have a low self-esteem.
*Niel, no offense*
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GALLUJ::11SGERLIS "sCrAm Or DiE!" 6 lines 4-FEB-1992 23:13
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Jeff...
I hope you are not implying that deafness is handicapped which needs
ssi for the handicapped needs... SSI is the government issued
fininancil (sp) aid to the people who have no job.. its just like
welfare!! Look harder... and think before u splurrrt it out!
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GALLUJ::11NJUNGHEIM "Why not?" 9 lines 5-FEB-1992 00:29
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Any way you cut it, SSI is still issued to anyone that is unable to
work because of their handicap. In the government's eyes, we are
unable to work because WE are deaf!!!
However, I think I'll let the government think I'm too
"handicapped" to work until I finish college and get myself a good job.
*grins*
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GALLUJ::11TELLIOTT "Zarathustra" 5 lines 5-FEB-1992 02:29
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That's nice- FYI, I get no SSI, and I would love to get such support
from the government, but instead, I'm trying to work to make my living
bearable here at Gally. So for those who get SSI, then shaddup, and
don't bite the hand that feeds you.
Todd Elliott
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GALLUJ::11DMCVAY "The Undertaker" 5 lines 5-FEB-1992 04:00
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11TELLIOTT is correct. Just sit down and keep feeding off the hand that
gives and when you're ready to make a living for yourself, BITE the
HECK out of it!
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GALLUJ::11WKOCH "Goofy lives!" 20 lines 5-FEB-1992 08:29
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Man!!! Just got thru reading this stuff!!! And God!!! Everybody is
whining saying that they are insulting their feelings, and how they
feel!!! Hey you guys(and gals) the constitution gives us the freedom
of speech, therefore we have the right to speak the way we want. And I
think no one owes anyone an apology, even from Underhill to Trudy!! No
reason to!!! HE was just merely speakin out his thoughts!!! And we
have to accept the way people think and feel!!! He may not be speaking
for the whole population but merely some of them!!! And hell I'm one
of them that feels the same way as Underhill, and whats more I come
from a deaf family!!!! Most people would be surprised but never hurts
to try something different!!! SO people!!! Live a life!!!! ANd keep
on reply and speakin out ur thoughts!!! It is the only way!!!! Take
an advantage of that First Admendment!!!!
Just thought I'd give my 1 cent worth!!!
Goofy
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GALLUJ::12PROBERTSON "Southern Boy" 6 lines 5-FEB-1992 09:23
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I agree all of you that we, deaf people do not consider ourselves as
Handicapped, Hearing Impaired ( that's my enemy word) and others.. but
what's about "Disablity" word? Is it same mean as "Handicapped" or is
it looks nice word? huh? Someone told me that "Disablity" is better
word than "handicapped". Well,, In my personaly, I would like to put
"Deaf" as myself instead of Disablity Person. What do you think?
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GALLUJ::11MMCCONNELL "Mickey Mouse" 19 lines 5-FEB-1992 09:59
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Well, Underhill, at least you do have the right to put your thoughts
into words about whatever opinion you have to express. I tend to think
that many of us with varying degrees of hearing loss from the profound
to mild do have a sort of subconcious longing to hear normally. Perhaps
for those who are profoundly or severly deaf do have some sort of a
desire or wonder what sound is like. What is it like to hear classical
music, rock or even rap? Why a gurgling brook is so relaxing to hear
after a nice hike thru the forest? Ever wonder how birds singing sound
like during a warm spring morning? Have you ever wish at one time or
another to be able to converse with those who are hearing and be able
to join in on the joke? The subconscious mind is the real heart of
desires, fantasies, and nightmares.
Now, I *didn't* say all of you have this longing to hear like the rest
of the hearing crowd. I think Underhill was in the right direction
but some of the words he choose came out a bit on the off side.
gotta go...adios.
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "What's wrong with Gally?" 60 lines 5-FEB-1992 12:20
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Let me clarify everything here and it would save alot of confusions
here. Some of people have interesting sayings but are misguided.
First of all, Alot of people are angry at me because I made
a little flaw in stating that ALL deafs wish to be hearing. Well, the
real truth was that the time I was writing down my 2 cents worth on
reply .8 so fast and I left without proofreading. I was in a hurry
and that reply was NOT a prepared statement. I jotted it down fast
enough to give me time to leave. I didn't anticipated this, but I
expected alot of people disagreeing with the idea of geneng(genetic
engineering) and I have NO IDEA that some deaf people were angry at that
last sentence in my reply. It wasn't until I found out later when reading
alot of blasts and criticism on me about the wish to be hearing and
not the hot water of geneng. Then the incident at cafeteria last Monday
gave me something I did noticed, the word "ALL" say them. I was little
confused but angry and upsetted by an appalling lack of openness, as
Ernie stated. Then I went back to the now controversial topic and
recheck my original statements and carefully analyzed the situation.
I swallowed a big lump in my throat when I noticed that I FORGOT
to add the word--"may" to the last sentence. Therefore, it would be
this, "...despite our deafness and our pride, we all MAY have the
deepest wish: to be hearing. Period." Remember, "...all may have..."
I am speaking OF the people in general, not FOR. That is why you
people have been blasting at me for speaking for you. I was NEVER
speaking for you, I was speaking OF you, in general. I wondered these
repliers have passed Eng 50 already. A surprise number of them haven't.
I have. I may be better careful the next time, but you people should
be careful in reading and analyze the sentences before replying because
it would get everything in confusion. Now the answer is that some of
us wish to be hearing and some of us don't want to. That's the sad
truth and their business. I have to respect that.
As for apologizing, FORGET it. It is my opinion and I cannot
apologize for my opinion BUT I can admit my mistake and I am ad-
mitting now. But apologizing, again, forget it.
Another thing, for some misguided people about confusing "hearing
impaired" for an ugly word and "deaf" pretty. Well, you're wrong. I'm
afraid I am telling you that you are very wrong. You see, hearing
impaired MEANT deaf. Both have the very same meaning, yessir! But both
are not in speaking of pronouns, like formal and informal. The word,
deaf, is informal and widely spoken and sign by regular people like
us. Hearing impaired is formal and it is used in business conductions
and professorial identifications. I took PSY 111-a career orientation
class that every freshman is required to take the first or second
semster, I asked Hilel Goldberg, who is deaf, that which word that
best describe when putting or answering the question like "Do you
have any disabilities that we may like to know?". He suggested the
word, "hearing impaired" because it is very formal and businesslike.
What happened if you put down the word, "deaf" would put the
employers in consideration and sometime, doubt. This may be sounded
political correctism but it is very necessary to identify deaf people
as "hearing impaired". It is okay to be called deaf by friends and
relatives, sometime, when making some business or meeting some im-
portant people, the term hearing impaired is more suitable. That is
the thing of the real world out there when we graduate.
So that is all I can say for now and hope everything is clear
as the blue sky.
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GALLUJ::11WKOCH "Goofy lives!" 13 lines 5-FEB-1992 13:45
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Id like to reply to .116 First of all, Hearing-impaired should not be
an enemy word. It is a true word. Second of all, the reason why I say
this, if you are totally deaf, can't hear a sound or whatsoever then
you would be considered deaf. But if you can hear some sounds then you
would be considered hearing-impaired, the reason why I say this, for
such examples. A person wearing glasses- would you say he is blind, no
he is visually impaired but can see with glasses or contacts, but for a
person who can't see at all would be considered blind!!! THerefore it
is almost the same idea!!!! BUt then again I am speaking from my own
words, ya'll might have different ideas!!!
Goofy
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GALLUJ::16RTAYLOR "Lady Cavs will Win NCAA Champs!" 1 line 5-FEB-1992 14:10
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Well, I don't think I got Hear TROUBLE!
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GALLUJ::11TELLIOTT "Zarathustra" 3 lines 5-FEB-1992 14:33
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Undie, that's much better. Yes, I do disagree with your opinion, but I
respect it, and am glad that you're not putting words in my mouth.
Todd Elliott
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GALLUJ::11NMCDEVITT "A.N.E. with a nice attitude!" 9 lines 5-FEB-1992 14:40
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McDevitt Esteem??
Low???
Nah..it is higher than yours, but I just happen to suppress most of
it...
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "What's wrong with Gally?" 6 lines 5-FEB-1992 15:21
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Tough about putting words in your mouths. Some people LIKE to
feed their words into your mouths.
It is a tough world and stop copying Alana, Todd.
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GALLUJ::15TSMITH 21 lines 5-FEB-1992 15:27
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Underhill....
You have every LEGAL right to express your opinions.. But,
you oughta know that you're digging your own grave. All this self-pity
will get you nowhere. Some of us DO wish we could be hearing... then
again, some of us DO NOT wish to be hearing.
The only mistake you made was making a blanket statement stating
that all deaf people want to be hearing... You speak for YOURSELF
ONLY! And I respect that. But please, don't make any assumations on
my side... You and I are two different people with different
backgrounds. We each have our own experiences, and these experiences
mold who we are...
Remember, we all are INDIVIUALS, not a WHOLE!
And you did insult me along with others greatly.
A word of advice:
Be careful.
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GALLUJ::16RTAYLOR "Lady Cavs will Win NCAA Champs!" 1 line 5-FEB-1992 15:38
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I repeat, I do not have Hearing Trouble because I'm deaf.
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GALLUJ::11ASHETTLE 29 lines 5-FEB-1992 15:51
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Whoa. Check the dictionary, folks.
According to the dictionary, "hearing impaired" is NOT a perfect
synoymn of the word "deaf". A "hearing impairment" refers to ANY
degree of hearing loss, whether mild (hard of hearing) severe,
profound, or total.
The definition of deaf is NOT limited to total deafness. If it were,
then almost no one would be considered "deaf," since almost everyone
has SOME residual hearing--maybe not much, but a little (e.g. just
enough to just barely hear a rock music band turned up at full volume
right next to your ear drum). Nuh-uh. Deafness has been defined to
mean a hearing loss severe enough that you cannot understand speech
without the aid of amplification and/or (or just and??) speech reading.
Audiologists call ME deaf, even though I can hear voices WITHOUT A
HEARING AID (only a eensy weensy bit in my right ear, and not enough to
distinguish anything, but I do hear 'em) because even WITH
amplification, I wouldn't be able to follow a whole conversation
without speechreading. And even with speechreading, I can still have
one heck of a lot of trouble.
Hearing people are badly screwed enough with misconceptions about
deafness (the mother of a friend of mine was totally freaked out to
discover that I, despite being very definately DEAF and NOT hard of
hearing, actually could hear, and even enjoy, music) without us
"deafies" getting confused about the definitions too.
--The Red Trek
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GALLUJ::11THAMMOND "Andrew's Fading" 6 lines 5-FEB-1992 16:38
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Number one, stop jumping on Underhill, he said he made a mistake, geez,
no one's perfect. Number two, 12BWHITE you said WE are proud to be
deaf... and where is trudy jumping down your back because you spoke
for her????
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GALLUJ::16RTAYLOR "Lady Cavs will Win NCAA Champs!" 2 lines 5-FEB-1992 18:52
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Andrea...IMPAIR means TROUBLE! I'm speaking about IMPAIR!! What's
wrong with DEAF?
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GALLUJ::11ESANTISTEV "Nerdasaurus Rex" 8 lines 5-FEB-1992 20:31
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Hearing students get SSI? Nope, I don't think. We get through school
the old fashioned way, our parents pay for it. Or, in my case, the
really, old fashioned way, borrowing incredible amounts of money. For
my undergrad I got through the really, really old fashioned way, I
worked.
Ancientasaurus Rex
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GALLUJ::11KEWAN "Fearsome Skull" 22 lines 6-FEB-1992 10:53
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Just a statement here, guys and gals...
I'd suggest to lose the DEAF POWER thing...it's not appropriate.
If we continue using it, then society may look at us as a militant
group.
Again, everyone's entitled to his/her own opinion. You wanna hear
my opinion??
I say that the deaf community is still alive and kicking. We still
have AAAD, GUAA, and NAD events. Not only that, I've already travelled
cross-country and visited several deaf clubs...some of them are dying,
some of them are still strong. For instance, I went to Fremont,
California. Where it is the mecca for the deaf in the West Coast. But
I found that the place is family-oriented. VCR rentals, TVs, outdoor
activities with their own cliques, and finally, watching their children
GROW. See what I mean??
The Deaf Community may be dying like there is a strong sentiment
of APATHY here at Gallaudet.
K-
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GALLUJ::11RBONDROFF "Zoom off to SeAtTlE or bust!" 6 lines 6-FEB-1992 14:01
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Well said, Karl, too...
Its not necessary to have deaf power..I knew it was really wrong.. at
least we have pride in our deafness. that's all..
Reddy
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "What's wrong with Gally?" 11 lines 6-FEB-1992 15:26
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That is what I am afraid that Deaf Power can be get out of
hands here. Let's not embarass ourselves to the world out there.
I like it to keep it smooth and openness.
Do you want to know what happens to Black Power in the 1960s?
It was Chaos, I am telling you, don't let this history repeat
here.
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GALLUJ::11DMCVAY "The Undertaker" 7 lines 6-FEB-1992 16:54
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Dave,
Ya never went to deaf clubs, so how'd you know it was well-said?
Besides, I wonder about the deaf culture. With medicine science, they
could remove the deaf world altogether...
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GALLUJ::11SHARDY "Cogito, ergo sum" 14 lines 6-FEB-1992 21:07
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IMHO, If you want to kill your culture, do it with APATHY; If you want
to preserve your culture, do it with ACTION. Get involved, join the
National Association of the Deaf (NAD) and help them with their
membership drive, or go to the Deaf clubs and do some voluteering work,
teach a Deaf child how to read, tell the deaf child about our famous
Deaf leaders, inspire the child then you will see the word APATHY dying
on their own. Gallaudet University is a special place and you meet
special people like yourself so lets do something for once, make
something out of yourselves because you are the living example of a
good Deaf leader..
D E A F P O W E R A L L T H E W A Y ----------------------->
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GALLUJ::11NTHOMPSON 4 lines 6-FEB-1992 22:11
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i second hardy. if you really want to make a difference in the deaf
community, JUST DO IT. it would really make a difference if you got
involved into anything related to deafness or the deaf community. you
people are a living example of a deaf person.
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GALLUJ::11MMCCONNELL "Mickey Mouse" 13 lines 7-FEB-1992 09:30
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Re: .132
Nerdasaurus, I hope you're talking about those hearing students who are
not in any way crippled or "handicapped" and cannot (read..have a hard
time) get a job which would enable them to receieve SSI for the
schooling part?
Anyway, I've seen too much SSI abuse. I'd rather aim for complete
indepence rather than grubbing for government support because we're deaf.
Remember the slogan back in Spring of '88? Has anybody forgotten that?
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GALLUJ::11ASHETTLE 32 lines 7-FEB-1992 09:46
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To note .131, 16RTaylor:
A certain individual obviously has not been reading my note carefully.
Go back to note .122, where someone suggested that "deaf" means no
hearing at all, useful or otherwise, and hearing impaired means
residual hearing.
Then go back and reread my note, .129.
Tell me, please, WHERE in my note did I in the least imply or suggest
that should all start using the term hearing impaired, just because it
happens to be a technically correct term for most of us here at Gally?
Correct answer: no where.
I even have a T-shirt from the Bi-cultural center saying "I'm deaf not
hearing impaired". I do respect the right of indivdual people who, for
whatever reason, prefer to call themselves hearing impaired. This is a
free country. But I do not call myself hearing impaired, and I do not
ever tell people they should use that term, nor do I ever suggest in
any way that the word "deaf" has something wrong with it.
So in the future, before you take offense at something, take a deep
breath, go back and read the passage carefully and make sure it really
said what you think it said. If it still says what you think it said,
wait a day and read it a third time, THEN go ahead and present your
views on the matter.
Thenk yew.
--The Red Trek
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GALLUJ::16RTAYLOR "Lady Cavs will Win NCAA Champs!" 1 line 7-FEB-1992 11:06
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I won't accept hearing impaired. Case closed for me!
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GALLUJ::11DMCVAY "The Undertaker" 4 lines 7-FEB-1992 11:43
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I'll accept hearing impaired, since I don't want the deaf community
labeled as 'militant'
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GALLUJ::11RBONDROFF "Zoom off to SeAtTlE or bust!" 5 lines 7-FEB-1992 12:00
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Seoond Dan! :-)
At least I'm proud of being deaf.
Reddy
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GALLUJ::11TELLIOTT "Zarathustra" 3 lines 7-FEB-1992 12:06
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I'm militant to the extent when labelling is involved. I'm Deaf, with a
capital 'D'...
Todd Elliott
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GALLUJ::12MWINGFIELD "Rotten Maggot" 4 lines 7-FEB-1992 12:22
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You can say that again, McVay. But I would very much prefer Deaf for
me. Hearing Impaired for you is fine with me. As long as I can say,
the ear is broken. That would be better than argument between Deaf and
hearing impaired.
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GALLUJ::11TSUGGS "Always whining!!!!" 4 lines 7-FEB-1992 12:35
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*D*eaf.
T.
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GALLUJ::11DMCVAY "The Undertaker" 6 lines 7-FEB-1992 12:35
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Hearing impaired is deaf too, altho not to a degree as bad as the
profoundly deaf. Anyways, I'm DEAF but I sure do act like a hearing
impaired since I grew up in the hearing world, and of course, I find
the deaf world much better for me.
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GALLUJ::11SGERLIS "sCrAm Or DiE!" 7 lines 7-FEB-1992 12:59
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Hearing Impaired is not DEAF!!!
There is thousands reasons of the differences...of why!!!
I herby declare I am TOTALLY DEAF!!
With dang blasted proud!!
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GALLUK::12MWINGFIELD "Rotten Maggot" 8 lines 7-FEB-1992 13:32
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Well, you may say that you are DEAF but by phyiscal term, you are
incapable of being able to hear. But, hey, I would very much prefer
DEAF!!
Wingnuts
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GALLUJ::11SHARDY "Cogito, ergo sum" 28 lines 7-FEB-1992 13:35
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If Hearing Impaired is not DEAF then what in the world are we naming
this quote "Gallaudet is the worlds only Liberal Arts University for
the DEAF.
District of Columbia Law: Section 31-1841.1
Subchapter I. Gallaudet University
(a) Gallaudet University.-The Gallaudet College created by an Act
entitled "An Act to amend the charter of the Columbia Institution for
the Deaf, change its name, define its corporate powers, and provide for
its organization and adminstration, and for other purposes" is
continued as a body corporate under the name of Gallaudet University.
Hereafter Gallaudet College shall be known as Gallaudet University and
have perpetual succession and shall have the powers and be subject to
the limitations contained in this chapter.
(b) Purpose.-The purpose of Gallaudet University shall be to provide
education and training to deaf individuals and otherwise to further the
education of the deaf. (Aug. 4, 1986, Stat. 1790, Pub L. 99-371, Sec.
101.)
Source: District of Columbia Code 1981 Edition (1988 Replacement)
Volume 7, Titles 30-36.
Look at (b) very carefully and the purpose says it all. (It's the Law!)
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GALLUJ::16RTAYLOR "Lady Cavs will Win NCAA Champs!" 3 lines 7-FEB-1992 14:01
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Well done!
Bust these hearing impairediers!
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GALLUJ::11DMCVAY "The Undertaker" 3 lines 7-FEB-1992 15:14
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I'm deaf, so what?
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GALLUJ::12JKURZ "Dude, )d 42! " 5 lines 7-FEB-1992 15:26
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Whoa. Whoa! Deafness is one branch of Hearing-Impaired Tree. Of course,
there are many branches out there..
I am PROUDLY to be Deaf!
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GALLUJ::12MWINGFIELD "Rotten Maggot" 1 line 7-FEB-1992 15:41
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Me, too.
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GALLUJ::11NMCDEVITT "A.N.E. with a nice attitude!" 23 lines 7-FEB-1992 16:32
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Ricky,
It's that militant attitude of yours that'll be the death knell of
this campus.
Imagine this possible scenario..DEAF people at Gally protest the
presence of Hearing Impaired persons on campus and then the groups
begin to seperate.
With the DEAF people in power and in the position to change
things..That'll really mess up things...what's first?? Lowering
the dB loss required to screen out hearing impaired persons and
screening out persons with a good talent of speech....I can perfectly
imagine that and to tell the truth, with the attitude of DEAF people
torward hearing impaired people, it may as well account for the high
withdrawl rate.
A concerned hearing-impaired student
Prez.
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GALLUJ::11ESANTISTEV "Nerdasaurus Rex" 31 lines 7-FEB-1992 18:33
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Mickey at .141,
Yeah, should have included it. Only people the government views as
handicapped get SSI, the rest of us work, leach from the 'rents, borrow
up to our eyebrows, or quit school.
So, the question now is, are Deaf people handicapped or 'disabled'
or 'differently abled' or whatever the current politically correct term
is?
Now remember, if Deaf are not disabled and just the same as all us
hearing folks, then say good bye to all that SSI, low Metro fares and
most importantly, it's hasta la vista to ADA protection.
The Nerd's eye view on this whole matter? Glad you asked. Deaf
like I've seen around here ranging from Kelby to the Trudster, to Karl
to Ms. Johanson are about as disabled as me. Any one who says that the
Deaf are disabled obviously hasn't had the extreme pleasure of
experiencing Deaf culture first hand, it's alot of things (some of them
unmentionable due to profanity rules) but it's not disabled. So,
should the Deaf still be protected under ADA? Yep, I think so, for
while I know what a bunch of uh, hmmm, a bunch of, let's see, what's
the word I'm looking for, nope, that's profanity again, well, I know
how disabled you are, unfortunately, 99% of the population doesn't.
So, protection is required for fairness untill the rest of the general
population comes to 'appreciate' the Deaf as much as I have.
Your opinions?
Nerdasaurus Rex
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GALLUJ::11NJUNGHEIM "Why not?" 8 lines 9-FEB-1992 18:27
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Sorry... It is NOT dead!!
It'll always be alive as long as there are deaf people around...
Junko!!
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GALLUJ::11RWHITELEY 7 lines 10-FEB-1992 01:11
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Some debate! Like any other, it will rage on.
**To Frank Dattolo, we don't have to be hearing to say that one line
from that Jim Morrison song, eh?? ;) **
Take pride in who you all are!
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GALLUJ::12APESCHKE 11 lines 11-FEB-1992 09:18
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Hearing Impared.....the ear can be fixed and you will be back to normal
Deaf................the ear cannot be fixed and you wil have to use
machine to support your ear system to hear...
There is difffent between those two words....therefore....I am deaf
Ricky is deaf
Everyone are deaf unless if your ears still working a bit then you re
hearing impared
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GALLUJ::11NJUNGHEIM "Why not?" 15 lines 11-FEB-1992 19:35
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Hearing Imparied? It sounds as though as there's something wrong with
not being able to hear. Deaf? It sounds as though as they know that
they will NEVER be hearing, no matter what the circumstances are.
Frankly, I don't care who's hearing impaired or deaf as long as they
are friendly and open minded around me!!
The ONLY thing that ticks me off is hearing people who take symphathy
on the "poor" deaf people. Those people are the ones who are truly
impaired as in being DEAF IMPAIRED!!! It's high time that they start
to understand that hearing loss does not equal loss in intellgence...
Junko!
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GALLUJ::12MWINGFIELD "Rotten Maggot" 7 lines 11-FEB-1992 21:05
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Geez... some HEARING IMPAIRED idiots. Seems to me that you have no
pride in your own identity. Hmm, let me ask you, what you both doing
in here, since this is the only place for DEAF students, while the
other univeristy PROVIDE programs for those so-called HEARING IMPAIRED
students.
*shaking my head in disappointment*
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Well....I think that we, as much as you do, have the right to be here
because we felt that Gally was the better place, educationally, to be.
If, like others here, we came for the social aspect of it, then I'd
have been AD'ed long ago....
As for Wingnuts....Well, I just say, I hope your scrotum sprouts wings
and flies away...with you in tow...
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GALLUJ::11NJUNGHEIM "Why not?" 6 lines 11-FEB-1992 21:15
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FYI, I don't think I'm hearing impaired... I consider myself deaf,
since I don't think I'm impaired in any way. However, I believe in
being open minded to ALL people, deaf, hearing impaired, and even
hearing people!! What do you say to that?
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GALLUJ::12MWINGFIELD "Rotten Maggot" 1 line 11-FEB-1992 23:54
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Fine, then why bother to complain about this term, DEAF??
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GALLUJ::11DMCVAY "The Undertaker" 5 lines 12-FEB-1992 10:12
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I dont believe in segration, Mr. Wingfield. I believe in sharing
identities. Now, let's not get militant. let's be a little more
understanding here. Life's a beach, and then you die.
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "Rumblin' Over Kurz's Tank!" 9 lines 12-FEB-1992 12:09
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Jesus Christ! Deaf AND hearing impaired HAVE the SAME MEANING!!!
They're not different in philosophy, ask any audiologist over
at the audiology dept and they will tell you the definition!
Hearing impaired identify you as a deaf person. Period.
That same for the blind person(visually impaired).
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Well, the audiologist are hearing, and they won't understand us damn
well. Geez... we are DEAF, not hearing impaired. That term really
disgusts me.
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GALLUJ::11RFRIENDS 6 lines 12-FEB-1992 14:22
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Come on there is not difference between deaf and hearing-impaired. No
one is perfect on the @#$% earth. @#$% happen that we can not do about
it. Get a life and go on with the life. Be prode and use positive
attitude. Nothing will change. Will be that way for years.
Road Runner
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GALLUJ::11BLAFRAMBOI "FIREHAWK" 14 lines 12-FEB-1992 17:39
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I hate the term hearing- impaired labelled on us deaf people by hearing
people. Hearing- impaired sounds stupid. There is no such thing as
visual-impaired to blind people and mental-impaired to retared people
or erection-impaired to impotent people (snickers) but you get the
idea. Deaf is better than that. I consider myself deaf person. If I see
other people saying "hearing-impaired" then I will take that person to
the back alley for a pounding vocabulary lessons.
FIREHAWK
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "Rumblin' Over Kurz's Tank!" 20 lines 12-FEB-1992 19:22
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Gosh, you're so wrong that you can't pound me! All right, I
don't give a damn about hearing people calling us hearing impaired
just because of your deaf background. Know what, it was NOT a hearing
guy that termed the word, deaf, as "hearing impaired". In fact, it
was termed by a deaf man a long time ago. When I was the first time
here, there were a NSSA of the NSP, told us an interesting history
of the deaf people and why the hearing impaired label? Well, she
said that deaf mean hearing impaired. Hearing impaired mean deaf.
Nothing more. Hearing impaired is not an ugly word, it is an
identification, a very formal one, that define the deaf people of
their hearing losses. Being deaf is acceptable word here because it
is very informal. That obviously explained that some of you have
poor understanding of English language. Some of you couldn't tell
which word is formal or informal. Sad but true. *shaking head in
disgust*
So let's knock off the militant attitude toward hearing people
and stop lambasting hearing impaired as a stupid label. Just accept it!
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GALLUJ::PLJOHANSON "Pat Johanson" 17 lines 12-FEB-1992 20:38
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Then deaf-impaired means hearing, white-impaired would be
the correct term for a black person, black-impaired for a
white person, and so it goes. I don't like "hearing-impaired"
because it focuses on what is perceived to be "missing",
why should that be the focus?
Pat Johanson
If you'll take a look at the report of the Commission on
Education of the Deaf, which made a national study of and
recommendations for improving education of the deaf, you'll
see that the word hearing-impaired is NEVER used in it--
the term used is "deaf and hard-of-hearing." But heck,
what's in a name, call yourself whatever you want, I'll
do the same.
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GALLUJ::11NJUNGHEIM "Why not?" 10 lines 12-FEB-1992 21:02
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SECONDED!!!!
You've hit right on the point I was trying to prove to these guys out
there...
Thanks....
Junko!
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "Rumblin' Over Kurz's Tank!" 4 lines 12-FEB-1992 21:29
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I almost thirded you, Pat, for that it proven nothing.
Thanks.....
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GALLUJ::11SHARDY "Cogito, ergo sum" 27 lines 13-FEB-1992 01:04
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In the Webster dictionary the word "deaf" means:
"not perceiving sounds; totally or partially unable to hear"
The word Hearing-impaired is not in the book!
Hearing-impaired is used to hide their deafness and show the hearing
people that the only thing is wrong with them is their hearing, so its
impaired. I rather go to the hearing world and tell them I am Deaf and
most of the time they become shocked and overwhelmed with your utmost
ability to do anything. "Deaf people can do anything except Hear."
The word "DEAF" has been around so long, way back in the days of the
Philosophers and why want to change it now, what are you guys
embarrassed about? You may talk well but it doesn't change the fact
that you are Deaf, I can talk well but my audiogram says I have the
loss of 105dbl of both ears and I would not be stupid to say, "Excuse
me, I am hard-of-hearing or hearing-impaired," because in fact that I
know I am profoundly DEAF.
I just wanted to make a point, why fuss over the word DEAF, what's
wrong with it, is it cancerous, or what!
Hello, my name is Stephen Hardy and I am Deaf, and your name is....
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GALLUJ::11AGREGG 9 lines 13-FEB-1992 08:57
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Reply to .182,
Oh don't forget to add teeth-impaired as for braces.
Mr. Hardy,
Regarding to your reply .187,
You made very beautiful point. Love it!
-Gitch-
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GALLUJ::11RUNDERHILL "Rumblin' Over Kurz's Tank!" 14 lines 13-FEB-1992 09:31
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A good one, Hardy, that clarified everything. The concept of
deaf and hearing impaired has been remained the same for a long time.
The truth is that I am not awared of the so-called "audiologist's
terming of the word, "hearing impaired" meant deaf. But I rather
not let deaf people make hearing people "scapegoats" for calling
us deafies "hearing impaired". I don't blame hearing people for that
because I felt it will create more barrier between the two peoples.
"The truth may be sounded awful to you, but it is the truth."
Anonymous
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GALLUJ::16RTAYLOR "Lady Twerps lost, 75-74!" 4 lines 13-FEB-1992 14:27
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The philosophers probably called the Deaf people "DEAF" because they
acted like they are dead. I mean, they probably omit "D" and add "F",
but I'm thankful that it did happen because Deaf is the most neat word
I can think of.
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GALLUJ::16RTAYLOR "Lady Twerps lost, 75-74!" 7 lines 13-FEB-1992 19:29
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Nononononononono!
I mean, the Philosophers probably called these deaf people in the BC or
AD after saw them doing nothing, impossible to learn, beggars...etc.
So that they called them deaf because they ALMOST fitted the DEAD
syndrome. I am not surprised to see it happening in the BC or early
AD!!
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GALLUJ::11NJUNGHEIM "Why not?" 3 lines 13-FEB-1992 22:27
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Hmmm... those deaf dudes look pretty lively today...
the first ten languages are the hardest
send 2500-line messages to the list. Somebody out there is paying real
money to broadcast this stuff on that, and poorly-edited posts of this
length are a severe waste of net resources.
And Steven ... when you're replying to a message, *please* *please*
*please* don't quote the whole message -- especially when the message
is so long. We don't have to read it twice.
--SG <se...@athena.mit.edu> <bloom-beacon.uucp!athena.mit.edu!sethg>
Stephen J. Kotchen
> conference. It show the incredible insenstivities, diversities, and opinions a
> another, warts and all, in order to make a better society for the deaf in the
> future. I'd suggest that you print it out, and read at your leisure. It's a
> long posting. Enjoy, and learn what Gally U. is all about...
> Todd Elliott
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> <<< USER$DISK24:[NOTES$LIBRARY]WHATSUP5.NOTE;1 >>>
> -< Whatsup 5! >-
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> Yet another boring topic for WHASSUP5? Hark! This should be a hot one!
> In the recent issue of Buff and Blue (Vol. 100, Issue 9, Page 2), there
> was an article of a deaf gene found, in Costa Rica, of all places. They
> found it in the genes of Felix Mongue, a guy with predominately deaf
> genes, and 86 deaf descendants! But the tragedy is this: This can be
> used and abused by some people, and misguided parents to eridicate
> Deafness! This is called Genengineering, short for genetic engineering.
> Does the right of a culture to exist takes precedence over the right of
> the parents to choose a child free of any disabilities? Clearly, this
> is a step in the wrong direction, or what? If we all can choose to have
> deaf children, then we all would gladly choose that? I don't know what
> the future holds for us, for science is killing us slowly... Truly we
> are the Last of the Mohicans! Your thoughts, anyone?
> Todd Elliott
> ==============================================================================
>
>
> Monkey Boy, stay on the damn point!
>
> Anyway, it really confuses me because I was a native of one culture and
> coming into another culture so this is an interesting topic. I don't
> really know how a hearing parent could really change their genes to
> make a child hearing. And I think deafness will be around for a VERY
> long time.
>
> PSYCHO
>
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> But, I prefer for people to leave the nature of its handicap of the
> 5 senses such as: deafness, blind, walking impared, nose impared &
> mental impared. If the dieases such as hutchinson, parkinson, obesity,
> deformities and the rest of unnatural causes would be prefer to be
> eliminated. Why some of them causes death, lack of social life and more
> difficulty. Deaf, blind and the rest is easier because there are more
> people like us than the people with deformities, & avoidable dieases.
> Ya catch my drift?
> ~Gitch~
>
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> WE'll all be special if we'll be the last deaf people in the world.
> ==============================================================================
>
>
> It'd be wonderful in the politicians point of view....No deaf people,
> therefore, no money going to pay for them etc. etc.
> BUT ( a very big but)
> I think that deaf people are so wonderfully immersed in their deafness,
> that they'd do everything in their power to stop it...Frankly, folks,
> Geneengineering could become the next "abortion" topic of the 21st
> Century....
>
> Preza.
>
> ==============================================================================
> let me clarify my last sentence....." Do Parents have the right to
> determine their child's outcome??" sound similiar to " Do women have
> the right to have a baby??"
>
> Prez.
>
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Deaf Community dying?
>
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>
> Heavans NO!!!
>
> Why? It's growing!!! Now the census report has estimante that
> deaf popluation is approxitmely 22 million in U.S.A. That's lot and
> still growing. Also says the largest handicapped in U.S.A. are deaf.
> The second largest handicapped are blinds, which is only approxitmely 8
> million (not sure)
> Therefore the deaf population is growing rapidly.. Believe me. I
> betcha you all you will never know nor reconizge a deaf person because
> that deaf person is practically normal execpt a hearing loss!!!
>
> All rights reserved to deaf community!
>
> DEAF POWER!!!!!!!
>
> A dang blasted proud deaf man
>
> Sean
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> year, the Census Bureau certified that there are only 20 million
> Americans who are either deaf or hard-of-hearing. But 22 million,
> it look like deaf Americans are breeding like rats in one year??
> It would take about two-five years before the population
> of deaf/hh Americans surpass 22 million. Let's not forget the older
> folks who are in alarming rate lossing between 40% to 80% of hearing.
> By the way, geneng(genetic engineering) is the only medicial
> solution to deafness because there are more and more state of the
> art medicial technologies that would benefit all handicappeds in-
> cluding deaf people. Do you rather prefer people who are deaf stay
> deaf forever? I doubt it.
>
> After all, despite our deafness and our pride, we all have
> the deepest wish: to be hearing. Period.
> ==============================================================================
> Sorry, Underhill, but that remark of yours was offensive. I'd suggest
> you retract and apologize.
> Todd Elliott
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Wish to be hearing?
> How could you even dare say that? I have no friggin' wish to be hearing
> at all. This makes it sooo obvious that you have NO respect for your
> deafness. I would NEVER EVER want to be hearing because then I'd miss
> out on the glorious culture of the Deaf, the amazing world we are in.
> One reason I LOVE being Deaf is that I get to see people's TRUE
> perspective of the world--being Deaf gives you an unique perspective on
> life--and I see how gray hearing people's perspectives are. So I'm 100%
> glad I'm Deaf. Now, you have really insulted me by claiming we have a
> real desire to be hearing. I just hope you watch what you say from now
> on, because that will definitely get you into a L O T of hot water.
>
> Jeez, some people...are such hypocrites. If you would rather be
> hearing, then go to a hearing university, become a hearie. It's as
> simple as that.
>
> T. (WHo's DAMN Proud to be DEAF, thank you!)
> ==============================================================================
> Undie...
>
> you really dang blasted barking up into a wrong tree, (implying from
> Femchav's remark)
>
> I don't want to hear any those illogical from you again! Please
> undie what I mean. I am 3rd generation deaf family.. I consider myself
> as dang blasted normal person because I live where the communication is
> purely A.S.L.!!! Thank you! and please have you to re-correct your
> statement.
>
> Thank you....
>
> Sean
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>
>
>
>
> That remark was definitely offensive and I suggest that you
> do something about it before you get shot down...
>
> I come from a very large deaf family in fact (four
> generations)... I must say that you are definitely putting words into
> my mouth and that is not coming out of my mouth at all not in my
> lifetime or in any other lifetime...
>
> I would like to remind you or maybe refresh your memory on
> how damn proud I am to be a deaf person and am capable of functioning
> in this WORLD... It is true that we are being oppressed by the hearing
> and AM sorry to say this but I believe you are definitely oppressing
> your own deafness...
>
> I would suggest that you apologize profusely and
> immediately....
>
>
>
> Alana
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>
>
> Mr. Underhill,
>
> Do you have a "Death Wish" or what; you just put yourself in a firing
> squad, as the deaf jury reads the verdict "Mr. Robert Underhill is guilty
>
> This is a very serious charge, Mr. Underhill, you should reconsider
> your statement that you wrote or leave Gallaudet at once. We do give
> people the right to be but not the right to degrade deaf people as this
> is pure injustice towards the deaf people.
>
> Think again, Mr. Underhill, be a man and tell everyone that you are
> sorry and think before you say anything towards the deaf, it can cause
> problems.
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> But Robert Underhill was simply stating his meaning from his
> own eyes. Am I wrong? There ARE some deaf people who wishes
> to be hearing. There ARE some hearing people who wishes they
> could turn deaf ears as easily as we can.
> ~Gitch~
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> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> everyone has their own rights in what they believe in!!! That is what
> the constitution is all about!!! Personally, we miss out on alot of
> things when we are deaf.. But then again, at times it is a blessing!!!
> But being hearing, you wouldn't be criticized!!! I'm sure some of you
> individuals who had been discriminated or criticized dued to your
> deafness (I do not consider Deafness as a handicap!!!!) You would
> sometime think what would it be like!!! I mean it must have at least
> crossed your mind at least once in your life!!!! But like I said it
> depends on the individuals!!!!
>
> Goofy
> ==============================================================================
> I must admit, I second Nick Junghiem (sp?)'s reply. He made good
> points..
>
> But.... I'm proud of being deaf of course. I will NEVER be hearing...
>
> Think about what Nick says.. Robert has his own opinion..of course he
> made a mistake saying that ALL OF US have the deepest desire to be
> hearing.... He should say that some or a few of deaf people desire to
> be hearing...I mean in general....
>
> Whoa, I do agree most of you saying that we never want to be hearing..
> sure.. that's great with us... unfortunately, there are some people out
> there that have no connections with Gally or whatever have deepest
> desire to be hearing and go for cochlear implants or anything..it's
> their choice, not our choice...
>
> Reddy
> ==============================================================================
> Underhill, I understand your point of view. But you got it wrong in
> general. I'm from deaf family (fourth generations) and I have NO
> regrets to be deaf.
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Where are you?? I still haven't seen any sort of reply of urs...
> hidin' out, huh?
> Come out like a man and have your say...defend yourself, apologize,
> make a clarification, whatever....just say something!!
> Oh, by the way, yeah...I do also strongly disagree with ur statement tha
> a hearing person! I would be totally different with totally different
> experiences! I believe I would be a lesser person if I backtracked and
> was born hearing & remained hearing throughout my life cuz of the loss of
> the rich experiences I would have went through as a deaf person.
> So, Undie...I'm sure that all of us would appreciate your comin' out
> and at least sayin' something!
>
> *phew!*
> -Becky
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> offended by the fact that he said basically we ALLLLLLL have a desire
> to be deaf. Excuse me? Maybe he HIMSELF does have a desire to be
> hearing, but for him to say that I and everyone else wants to be Deaf
> too is complete hogwash. I don't like anyone deciding what I feel, and
> that's what Underhill was basically implying. Otherwise he has a right
> to his opinion...he just better not say what MY opinions are.
>
> THanks.
>
> T.
> ==============================================================================
> Sometimes it's frustrating being deaf, and soemtimes I wish I could
> understand what's going on in my home when they laugh or share
> something without thinking to include me in on it, but at the same
> time, when I am with others who understand what I feel, deafness
> doesn't even feel like deafness, feels like I'm a human being is all..
> ==============================================================================
> Sometimes I feel inhuman in my own home too...
> ==============================================================================
> Keep it up!!! I am not going to run away from the island where our
> deaf community is...
> ==============================================================================
>
>
> I'm in a hearing family so I wholeheartedly agree with .24 and .25.
>
> As some of you know, I grew up hearing, but would I go back? That
> would be a very tough question for me.
>
> PSYCHO
> ==============================================================================
> It is because Pyscho, .24, and .25 did not accept to be deaf. It caused
> you to feel sorry for yourself that u are deaf! Try to learn to be deaf
> instead of being a hearing person!
> ==============================================================================
>
>
> You missed the point! I am deaf now! But could I go back to hearing?
> I don't think I could. I'm happier now than when I was hearing. I
> guess you could literally say becoming deaf opened my eyes.
>
> PSYCHO
> ==============================================================================
> My point is that You agreed with them and I am telling you that they
> have to accept that they are deaf than being cry babies about being
> DEAF! Thenk Yew *phew*
> ==============================================================================
>
> It would be nice to hear a man whispering sweet nothings in
> by my ear & hear him sing to ME. It also would be nice to
> hear heavy metal sing word by word fluently without having
> to replay it 1,000 times to catch the whole lyrics. It ain't
> a pretty sight. It would be nice to talk fluently with my
> hearing family thru the phone & not having to depend on my
> mom. I AM seperated from my hearing family just because I
> have difficulty getting the dialogue going smoothly. See?
> I do have the desire to hear once more. Robert Underhill
> was also speaking for people like me.
> ~Gitch~
> ==============================================================================
> it is because your desire, not mine! I respect that with no question.
> My question is that do you accept your deafness? Just wondering.. That
> will be my last question about accept deafness or not!
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Sorry, Underhill- It is still offensive. How dare you speak for all of
> the Deaf people? Speak for yourself, and no one else! Secondly, I was
> born deaf. There's no such thing that all deaf were once hearing!
> Thirdly, I have NO desire to see what it's like to be hearing!
> Todd Elliott
> ==============================================================================
> Underhill, I'd like to know how did you determine that when we walk
> toward the light and we'd be hearing? In your dreams! If we go to
> hell, we stay deaf. If in heaven, that's difference!
> ==============================================================================
> Hey, Underdunghead, I want to say something. #$%! off!!!! I damn wish
> NOT to be hearing, period!
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Underhill--DO NOOOOOOOOOT SPEAK FOR ME, PLEASE! IT IS VERY ANNOYING!
> First of all, I was born deaf, DEAF, D E A F! It's in my genes.
> Second, maybe I should put this in a perspective that YOU can
> understand:
> I want to be hearing as much as you want to be gay (based upon your
> previous comments on homosexuality).
>
> Jeez!
> T.
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Underhill....
>
>
> Geez wheez!!!! Whats happening to your brain cells these
> days... You are still putting words in my mouth.. YES you have every
> right to express your opinions at least it comes straight out from you
> directly and only from you as one.. DO not speak for others...
>
> I am perfectly capable of saying things on my own without
> assistance of others and especially from you commenting on how
> distraught you are to be hearing..
>
> I must say it is O B V I O U S that you have not yet
> accepted your deafness.. You see it as a problem, or maybe a
> disability.. Needless to add on because I am in no place to put words
> in your mouth.. Next time think before you speak C A R E F U L L Y
> otherwise you ll get BLASTED!!
>
> I still am awaiting an apology from you.. If you were a man
> enough, you would...
>
>
>
> Alana
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Oh... You want me to say hes a DOG.. or a sorriest excuse for living..
> In that case I am afraid he is...
>
> Still awaiting.............
>
>
> Alana
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> going......going......Gone.....
> ==============================================================================
> Note 661.44 Deaf Community Dying? 44 of 2
>
> Oh, jeez. First, I am NOT speaking for others.
> Second, being proud to be deaf is okay. It is for all of us.
> Third, I am stating that YOU never know. I am not speaking for
> you, I am referring to your own knowledge.
> Lastly, let's knock it off and be human.
>
> Thank you.
>
> ==============================================================================
> Not without apologize from you, I am speaking of Robert Underhill. It
> is your second time to cause some kind of war on Whatsup5. Homo and
> deaf! poor you!
> ==============================================================================
> Please...
>
> Please...... be a gentleman...
>
> Delete your reply... its better for the worse!!!
>
> Take my advice!!
>
> A dammmned proud deaf person!
> ==============================================================================
> I'd advise Mr. Underhill not to...
>
> He does have every right to express his feelings as Mr. Jungheim
> said, But we as people have to stand back and take a objective look at
> ourselves...and I think that Mr. Underhill made a very important
> comment....we are all in the need to be hearing...
>
> Now IO consider my self to be a dearie, or heafie, whichever you
> prefer...and I would like to stop this being stuck in the middle..but I
> can't I'm too ingrained in the hearing world to really get out of
> it...Lessee, If i were to count the number of spoken words that I've
> spoken and compared them to the signed words, the spoken words would
> count for 99%...
>
> I have a desire...
>
> To become a normal person...to be totally free from the bonds of
> deafness...but as I realize that it won't happen...then I live with it,
> but not without that desire...
>
> Prez.
> ==============================================================================
> Neil, I disagree with what you said, but I respect it, because it's
> your opinion and desire. Nothing wrong with wanting desires of any
> sort. But this Underhill guy turns me off by IMPLYING that me, you,
> him, and every single deaf person desires to be hearing! That's
> ridiculous, and demand that he speak for himself, not for all of us!
> Todd Elliott
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Pee Wee..
>
> Everyone is responsible for their actions.. To be frank with you
> you refuse to see to this point that you have made a mistake by saying
> things for all of us..
>
> Why cant you be an adult enough to be responsible and apologize
> like a human being like you said.. I understand perfectly that you are
> entitled to your own opinions or expression but do not say for everyone
> else...
>
> I think my point is well taken.. Still no words from you???
>
>
>
> Grow up wont you??
>
>
> Alana
> ==============================================================================
>
> I live 10 minutes away from the Military base at my
> hometown. It is the town full of single soliders. I
> get a lot of dates there. IT would be NICE to hear
> a date talk & me talking back fluently with NO problems.
> Of course, it would be wonderful opportunity to hear
> again. There is a BIG difference between wearing hearing
> aids & be hearing. Everyone I've met at my hometown that's
> deaf wishes they were hearing!
> ~Gitch~
> P.S. You're at Gallaudet University, that explains. But, in
> your hometown, that is something else!
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Ammmmmmyyyyyyy... Oh plezzzze!! I understand your desire to be a
> hearing person but you have remeber that some deaf people pefer to
> remain DEAF!!! Underhuh and you don't speak for the majority.
> Underhuh.. I am still waiting....* Buffing fingernails *
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I was speaking for the majority at my
> HOMETOWN!
> ~Gitch~
> P.S. I'll SHUT-UP!
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> not delete it or apologize. My comments stand. I don't think it
> is necessary for me to apologize over a comment that is nothing
> suggestive or offensive to anybody. I know being deaf is very
> sensitive issue. But who care? I may accept my deafness and
> I ONLY wish to be hearing for some GOOD reasons, like experience.
> Some of you, especially dear Alana Beal, have strong deaf
> backgrounds and I understand the concerns, but the world is
> an ugly place to live with. We will have to endure it. Don't
> tell me no bulls that the world don't need the likes of me be-
> cause I am happening to be one angry deaf man and disappointing
> with a huge gap among the deafs. I am not comfortable with it
> and don't bother trying to tell me to get out. I am going stand
> in the heat and God help me, nobody's going to stop me. Believe me,
> I can change. Not everything.
>
> You can rile me all you want, in the face of criticism from
> the people I called "friends", I will face defeats and learn more.
> But my comments will stand because I know the entire secrets
> of deafness and wish to be hearing and I am not telling you because
> like I said, the truth will hurt you.
>
> "Accepting defeats is your path to victory. The final victory."
>
> Confucius
> ==============================================================================
>
> It makes me wonder....
>
> If deaf people are so adamant about protecting their culture, that
> they'd bar others from enjoying those benefits. Perhaps parents will
> want to let their child grow up hearing instead of deaf...I have no
> problem with that...What I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IS PEOPLE TELLING US
> THAT WE SHOULD ELIMINATE ALL POSSIBLE CURES. That is preposterous...No
> one would fall for that////
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I agree completely with Melinni. I'm just pissed at you Underhill for
> speaking for me. HOw dare you decide that I want to be hearing, that I
> have a desire to be hearing? I agree that you have EVERY right to say
> what you feel, but that's the point--it's only what *YOU* feel, not
> what EVERYONE feels. I am so insulted that you'd determine MY inner
> feelings, my inner opinions, and so on. So just apologize for speaking
> for me. Don't apologize for what you feel--only apologize for what you
> said I FELT. Thank you.
>
> T.
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Like you said, they really want to protect their deaf culture,
> then it is possible that all those unneccessary cures will be
> eliminated. ONLY Deaf people can decide that. They would have to do
> something. That also depends on how strong they are, too.
>
> Complaining and being concerned are two different things.
> Complaining does not get anywhere. Being concerned, you get to
> do some action!
>
> Think about it some more, I think u really aren't. Would you want
> hearing kids? What would you do? How would you communicate with them?
> If you had deaf kids, would you let them become hearing? Suppose there
> was some cure, but only works on infants, and you are deprived of that.
> WOULD YOU HONESTLY LET YOUR DEAF CHILD BECOME HEARING? I dont think
> so.
>
> Melinni
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> than to be blind! i grew up in a mainstream school system in new york
> and was taught to speak and to read-lip and to be as "normal" as
> possible. i don't blame my parents for taking this course of action.
> However, i have reached the point where i take control of my own life
> and make my own decisions.
>
> during my brief stint at a hearing university, i met many students from
> gallaudet and ntid and they impressed me with what they had to say
> about their schools. therefore i decided to come to gallaudet and give
> it a shot....i dont regret that decision at all!!!! underhill, i have
> absolutely NO desire to be hearing, not after what i have gone through
> all my life and what i have right now....i'm a pure deaf in heart and
> in mind....
> you may feel that you want to be hearing, which is fine with me.
> just remember that your feelings do not necessarily reflect those of
> others. now that is something for you to keep in mind before you
> decide to make one of those encompassing remarks....
> ==============================================================================
> Whoa Whoa.. I've been reading about 40 replies...
>
> Oh yes, I'm proud to be deaf, and i have no intention to go back to be
> a hearing person.. it's impossible thing for most of the deaf people to
> go back to hearing eventhough they must keep their deafness....
>
>
> But but..... one thing...underhill is right in one way.... about the
> deaf-blind guy, named Chris. He have a desire to be sighted because he
> can't see at all..I really understand how he feels. As for myself, I
> have Usher's Syndrome, and I have to accept it, but i do NOT want to
> have it...I want to be 100 percent SIGHTED.. but luckily that i have
> plenhty of vision left so i do not have to worry about it... but think
> about the future....I've worked with a lot of deaf-blind people and
> talked with them.. they have NO desire to be BLIND.. They have been
> thorugh frustrations, horror stories, etc etc.....I know what it's
> like...
>
> But deafness is unique....of course...
>
> Imagine if you're strapped in a wheelchair becuz you're a paralegic or
> have cerebral palsy..what do you wish for??? think about it
> carefully....
>
> Some people have different reactions.. I really understand Underhill,
> but about deafness is a different story...i'm happy to be one! :-)
>
> Reddky
> ==============================================================================
>
> The truth about handicapped people is that they all have wishes...
> to walk, to run, to see, to move, to jump, to hear and so on.
>
> I am deaf, I am handicapped and have damn good reasons for this.
>
> And Sugg, quit whining about me invading your feelings. Like I
> said that is nothing suggestive. You are way off point.
> And Miles, congratulation, you just won an one dollar prize! FYI,
> I am NOT uneducated. As you will understand, I have been here for
> three years, trying to learn a great deal about deaf culture, okay?
> Be more careful what you say.
>
> Not guilty
> ==============================================================================
>
>
> I agree with Reddy in .62 about the handicapped. My girlfriend uses
> crutches to walk from Cerebral Palsy. She really wants to walk more
> than anything. She don't give a damn about the deafness part. I guess
> that really told me something because when I met her, I was still only
> deaf for about a year and a half. I think that inspired me from being
> deaf to being DEAF. And maybe that's why I love her so much and always
> will.
>
> Just my 2
>
> PSYCHO
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> give my 2 cents.
>
> First the Deaf thing. As I explained to my dearest mom, most Deaf
> people want to be hearing about as much as I want to be white. Sure,
> it would be nice not to have to deal with racial prejudice, not to be
> the only brown face in my fraternity composites, not to have anyone
> tell me how much I've accomplished for being Hispanic, sure, in society
> it is generally easier to be white than the more aestheticlly pleasing
> brown, but God made me brown and I like it and I don't want to be
> white. So, I can see the Deaf opinion on this. On the other hand, I
> know some friends who are tired of this, tired of the oppression tired
> of everything, and wouldn't mind being white. Their business.
>
> Now, the more offensive part. I've noticed an appalling lack of
> openess here. Robert, know for his inflamatory views, has once again
> hit a sensitive nerve here in Whatsupland. Trudster et. al., let me
> make this clear, you, hmmm, how do I phrase this, hmm, let's see, want
> to get the right mixture of honesty and tact in here, hmmm, let's see,
> oh, I got it.
> Trudster et.al., you disgust me, your comments are the kind of fascist
> I hope you get my point. You don't like his comments, feel it is
> wrong for him to speak for all deaf people? Too bad, whatever happened
> to respect for other's speech and opinions? Or does that only count
> when the people write things that agree with you all? Now it's one
> thing to disagree, but to do all this? No, I don't think so, and don't
> lay that "well he shoudn't speak for all deaf, it's not me, it hurts my
> feelings" garbage on me. You don't like his opinion, give your own,
> don't attack him. You're more than welcome to say "Robert doesn't
> speak for all deaf and I think this, and this." but these personal
> attacks? These demands for apologies, give me a break. If your
> feelings are hurt so easily, go somewhere else and find a sandbox to
> play in, it will be alot more safer and no one will hurt your precious
> feelings.
>
> Robert, I don't believe in what you said, but I believe in your right
> to say it in an atmosphere of freedom and respect, I'd apologize to
> these bunch of PC jerk-offs when the nether world freezes over. Hang
> tough, no one ever said it was easy or safe not being a herd animal.
>
> Nerdasaurus Rex
> ==============================================================================
>
>
> Hey Sean Gerlis made an educational reply! Hope TMMONIGAN doesn't ruin
> this moment. *grin*
>
> Anyway, back to the point. Sure I can accept anybody as a friend. I
> don't care about anything stupid like color, religion, sexual
> orientation, etc. All I care about is if a person is friendly with me,
> I'll be friendly back.
>
> 2
>
> PSYCHO
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I'm disappointed. Underhill has nothing to apologize for. Why can't the
> some of you respect other people's opinions?
> I can understand why Undie feels the way he feels. Being deaf can be
> good but can be a pain in the butt also. All of you know that. I mean
> it's frustrating to have interpreters not showing up, always having to
> fight for your rights, etc.
> For peace's sake, we better not reply anymore and forget this topic.
> Heck, there are more than 600 other topics.
>
> Adios
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> different. Sure, there are similiarities, but there are a lot of
> differences.
>
> Sorry, Underhill, but I"m going to publicize this. Underhill sent me
> an email apologizing. I think it's about time he apologized.
>
> Back to you, Ernie...I just don't want anyone saying to my face, "You
> want to be hearing." That's like me going up to you and saying, "You
> want to be white, Ernie." I TOTALLY respect Underhill's opinion...I
> think it's great he had guts to say it on Whatsup5. I just don't want
> him to speak for me. THAT'S SOO SIMPLE, ERNIE!
>
> *duh*
> T.
> ==============================================================================
>
> In order to understand the Deaf, you have to be one!
>
>
> *Pass the popcorn, please*
>
> Pigmentation color is not the same as unoperatable body parts, not even
> close, but nice try Ern.
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> I must admit that I grew up in Hearing culture where I
> was taught to speak and lip-reading like Moe said.... My parent wanted
> the best for me and I am glad that they did their best they can to
> teach me. I am profoundly deaf myself and can't hear at all not even
> with hearing aids, only a little. I knew that I was raised with pure
> deaf in my heart and have a lot of deaf friends to hang out. Of
> course, they are not like my friends here at Gally but I still love
> them!!! I have this friend who refused to come to Gally because she
> think that Gally would be "too easy" for her and not the same amount of
> education as hearing education. I tried to explained to her and
> convinced her that Gally is not that easy... Also, she refused to hang
> out with deaf people much. She would be with her deaf friends at home.
> i wouldn't give up on trying to convince her and her mother is ver
> strictly about deaf culture. I asssumed that she is being
> "brainwashed" by her mother. If I was granted with a wish that I could
> be hearing, I am still going to reject it because I love being deaf
> because that is who I am... I am just proud to be deaf and I am glad to
> come to Gallaudet for my sake and I am thankful that my parent let me
> go wherever I want to go to college. They accepted my decision on
> coming to Gallaudet, that's it... I am so proud to be deaf and that is
> me... would do anything that I would not become deaf!!!
>
>
>
> doc
> ==============================================================================
> Those who whine about DEAF, have their rights because they have
> been in the DEAF world. But those who have been trying to learn about
> the DEAF culture should not be negative towards the culture. What kind
> of a fool would say something negative about a culture that s/he has
> been trying to learn??
>
> And I'm afraid that Mr. Santistevan is right after all, Miss Suggs.
> You can be a fascist at times. You can only state YOUR own opinion,
> but YOU can't oppress others from saying their own opinions. If one
> thinks negative of something, the best way is to let the person learn
> about that negative aura...instead of lambbasting the person on what he
> said. Sure, it can be offensive, but that's life. I've been offended
> on several occasions but I've voiced my disagreement and one of the
> lessons I've learned was NOT to oppress others' opinions.
>
> K-
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> *sigh*
>
> T.
> ==============================================================================
> Psycho, You just ruin Sean's educational statement.
>
> Anyway, I never consider DEAF as handicap. Underhill said in .63 that
> He is deaf and it is H.C. to him. To me, It never exist on my list of
> Vocabulary. That's his opinion, but I am sure millions of deaf people
> agreed with me. We just can do anything but hear. That's all.
>
> My two cent worth.
> ==============================================================================
> I almost never reply to NOTES conference but I think I second Mr.Ewan's
> opinion that when one learns a language and its respective culture, one
> should never have a negative attitude or negative remarks. Excellent
> point since I learned ASL and the Deaf culture for over two years and
> am still fascinated with ASL and the flourishing Deaf culture. My
> strategy? Put on a happy face, be interested, and don't complain.
>
> -Janice
> ==============================================================================
> I seconded with Monigan!
>
> I NEVER consider my deafness as a handicapped! Tim, don't you think
> it's funnier to see people telling us that we are handicapped while
> they are, too?
> ==============================================================================
>
> Ignore my blank reply on .82.
>
> By the way, Trudy stated that "I apologized" to her in E-mail
> and publicized it. Actually, I found out someone who was angry at me
> about this deaf situation and used my account to say sorry to Trudy
> which the culprit noticed Trudy's demand that I apologize in the
> recent replies. However, I've already reported ComSer(Computer
> Service) of the culprit and changed my password immediately. It must
> be one of Trudy's vaxfriends. The culprit was probably a hacker.
> I don't know how he or she got into my password.
>
> Too bad, Trudy, I will NOT bow to your demands. Ernie described
> that you are being a feminist fascist. I laughed my head off.
> ==============================================================================
> So far, Many of us don't like to be called Handicapped! undie, Any
> second thoughts?
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> not permitting deaf people to express anything other than
> the politically correct deaf opinions (ASL is the only true
> language, deaf people don't want to be hearing, deaf people
> gotta marry other deaf people, blah, blah) is a part of
> deaf culture, heck, then I'm embarrassed to be a part of the
> deaf community/culture/wherever these fascist rules come from.
>
> I thought we valued diversity and independence and all those
> other boring old-fashioned values. Sure, I disagree with
> Underhill that ALL deaf people want to become hearing, I
> disagree with any statement that has the word ALL in it, cuz
> things are never that black and white. But if he wants to
> say it, so be it, why make a mountain out of a molehill?
>
> I'm outta here now,
>
> Pat Johanson
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Ok, here's my point..
>
> In reality, deafness is an handicap. Simple, it is because we don't
> have perfect ears, of course, and I agree that we DON'T feel
> handicapped while it is anyway. I know being deaf is being handicapped,
> but I DONT feel like one like most of y'all.
>
> To those who disagree with what I said above:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> IF..if..if you dont agree with me, then why the HECK are you doing
> with the SSI money which is designed for handicapped people? Just go to
> Financial Aid Office, and ask for SSI phone number, so you can call and
> withdraw your income from the SSI to be non-handicapped. Til then, take
> a hike!
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Deafness may be Handicap but it is called invisible
> handicap because people don't know if you are deaf or not. In my heart,
> I don't think of myself as handicap. I think of myself as hearing
> impaired, that's all. Handicap means you are unable to do what u want.
> The only thing we are unable is to hear. I don't need to hear to get
> anything I want. I can speak or write.... It is hard for people to
> notice which one is deaf. We can't go around and ask each person if
> that person is deaf or not. That would be ridiculous!!!
>
>
> doc
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Undie? peewee??
>
> Im still awaiting.. Looks like it has not come across to you that
> what you have said was offensive and so forth.. No need to go blah blah
> on this one here.. Would you get to the point knowing that you cannot
> really speak for other people... How would you like it if I spoke for
> you...
>
> Handicap.. It is an ATTITUDE that we have here.. It is obviously
> that you are handicapped in your own thoughts and feelings...
>
> For those who are very proud to be deaf and I would like to make it
> public known that I even want to have DEAF Children of my own... I do
> not know how you UNDIE?PEEWEE Would feel about having kids.. I would
> presume that he would want to have hearing kids of his own.. YES I am
> putting words in his mouth...
>
>
> How do you like it dearie???
>
>
>
>
>
> Tasting your own dosage of medication now???
>
>
>
>
> Alana
> ==============================================================================
>
> I DON'T mind a hearing or deaf child, all I want is to have a
> nice child who is human.
>
> Thank you.
>
> ==============================================================================
>
> For .88: Actually, I just found out that someone has used a
> hacking program that use someone else's name and email to other
> person saying blah blah, suggestive, or offensive words and not
> the real things. But I still think that someone broke into my
> account. Don't ask me how, talk to Ernie the Nerdasarus Rex.
> ==============================================================================
>
> Jeez, this is my third reply straight. Reddy know an open vax
> for me.
>
> Reddy, I am talking serious here. This is not extraterristal
> subject I am talking here. What I meant by human that is normal
> and with intelligence and have similar gender(male or female).
>
> If you want a baby, so screw for it.
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Robert Undyhill, Undie, Peewee, whatever
> has his own last name - Underhill. I mean
> There is no need to change his last name
> while he has his. If you guys are changing
> his last name, why don't you change the rest
> of him?
> ~Gitch~
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> WE ARE PROUD TO BE DEAF!!!
> ==============================================================================
>
>
> Don't get me wrong, I am proud too....but that often gives in to the
> desire to be hearing...you know, when I look at myself sometimes...I
> wonder if I could be somewhere better and different than perhaps
> here...
>
>
> Something to think about....
> ==============================================================================
> HEARING IMPAIRED = The Impair means trouble. Do you have Hearing
> Trouble? Well, get lost!!
>
> HANDICAPPED = Hand In Cap means beggars. Well, I preferred to be
> called disabled than being handicapped!!
>
> MCDEVITT ESTEEM = It looks like you have a low self-esteem.
>
> *Niel, no offense*
> ==============================================================================
> Jeff...
>
> I hope you are not implying that deafness is handicapped which needs
> ssi for the handicapped needs... SSI is the government issued
> fininancil (sp) aid to the people who have no job.. its just like
> welfare!! Look harder... and think before u splurrrt it out!
> ==============================================================================
>
> Any way you cut it, SSI is still issued to anyone that is unable to
> work because of their handicap. In the government's eyes, we are
> unable to work because WE are deaf!!!
>
> However, I think I'll let the government think I'm too
> "handicapped" to work until I finish college and get myself a good job.
> *grins*
> ==============================================================================
> That's nice- FYI, I get no SSI, and I would love to get such support
> from the government, but instead, I'm trying to work to make my living
> bearable here at Gally. So for those who get SSI, then shaddup, and
> don't bite the hand that feeds you.
> Todd Elliott
> ==============================================================================
> 11TELLIOTT is correct. Just sit down and keep feeding off the hand that
> gives and when you're ready to make a living for yourself, BITE the
> HECK out of it!
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> whining saying that they are insulting their feelings, and how they
> feel!!! Hey you guys(and gals) the constitution gives us the freedom
> of speech, therefore we have the right to speak the way we want. And I
> think no one owes anyone an apology, even from Underhill to Trudy!! No
> reason to!!! HE was just merely speakin out his thoughts!!! And we
> have to accept the way people think and feel!!! He may not be speaking
> for the whole population but merely some of them!!! And hell I'm one
> of them that feels the same way as Underhill, and whats more I come
> from a deaf family!!!! Most people would be surprised but never hurts
> to try something different!!! SO people!!! Live a life!!!! ANd keep
> on reply and speakin out ur thoughts!!! It is the only way!!!! Take
> an advantage of that First Admendment!!!!
>
>
> Just thought I'd give my 1 cent worth!!!
>
>
> Goofy
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I agree all of you that we, deaf people do not consider ourselves as
> Handicapped, Hearing Impaired ( that's my enemy word) and others.. but
> what's about "Disablity" word? Is it same mean as "Handicapped" or is
> it looks nice word? huh? Someone told me that "Disablity" is better
> word than "handicapped". Well,, In my personaly, I would like to put
> "Deaf" as myself instead of Disablity Person. What do you think?
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> into words about whatever opinion you have to express. I tend to think
> that many of us with varying degrees of hearing loss from the profound
> to mild do have a sort of subconcious longing to hear normally. Perhaps
> for those who are profoundly or severly deaf do have some sort of a
> desire or wonder what sound is like. What is it like to hear classical
> music, rock or even rap? Why a gurgling brook is so relaxing to hear
> after a nice hike thru the forest? Ever wonder how birds singing sound
> like during a warm spring morning? Have you ever wish at one time or
> another to be able to converse with those who are hearing and be able
> to join in on the joke? The subconscious mind is the real heart of
> desires, fantasies, and nightmares.
>
> Now, I *didn't* say all of you have this longing to hear like the rest
> of the hearing crowd. I think Underhill was in the right direction
> but some of the words he choose came out a bit on the off side.
>
> gotta go...adios.
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Id like to reply to .116 First of all, Hearing-impaired should not be
> an enemy word. It is a true word. Second of all, the reason why I say
> this, if you are totally deaf, can't hear a sound or whatsoever then
> you would be considered deaf. But if you can hear some sounds then you
> would be considered hearing-impaired, the reason why I say this, for
> such examples. A person wearing glasses- would you say he is blind, no
> he is visually impaired but can see with glasses or contacts, but for a
> person who can't see at all would be considered blind!!! THerefore it
> is almost the same idea!!!! BUt then again I am speaking from my own
> words, ya'll might have different ideas!!!
>
> Goofy
> ==============================================================================
> Well, I don't think I got Hear TROUBLE!
> ==============================================================================
> Undie, that's much better. Yes, I do disagree with your opinion, but I
> respect it, and am glad that you're not putting words in my mouth.
> Todd Elliott
> ==============================================================================
>
> McDevitt Esteem??
>
> Low???
>
> Nah..it is higher than yours, but I just happen to suppress most of
> it...
> ==============================================================================
>
> Tough about putting words in your mouths. Some people LIKE to
> feed their words into your mouths.
>
> It is a tough world and stop copying Alana, Todd.
> ==============================================================================
> Underhill....
>
> You have every LEGAL right to express your opinions.. But,
> you oughta know that you're digging your own grave. All this self-pity
> will get you nowhere. Some of us DO wish we could be hearing... then
> again, some of us DO NOT wish to be hearing.
>
> The only mistake you made was making a blanket statement stating
> that all deaf people want to be hearing... You speak for YOURSELF
> ONLY! And I respect that. But please, don't make any assumations on
> my side... You and I are two different people with different
> backgrounds. We each have our own experiences, and these experiences
> mold who we are...
> Remember, we all are INDIVIUALS, not a WHOLE!
>
> And you did insult me along with others greatly.
>
>
> A word of advice:
>
> Be careful.
> ==============================================================================
> I repeat, I do not have Hearing Trouble because I'm deaf.
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Number one, stop jumping on Underhill, he said he made a mistake, geez,
> no one's perfect. Number two, 12BWHITE you said WE are proud to be
> deaf... and where is trudy jumping down your back because you spoke
> for her????
> ==============================================================================
> Andrea...IMPAIR means TROUBLE! I'm speaking about IMPAIR!! What's
> wrong with DEAF?
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> the old fashioned way, our parents pay for it. Or, in my case, the
> really, old fashioned way, borrowing incredible amounts of money. For
> my undergrad I got through the really, really old fashioned way, I
> worked.
>
> Ancientasaurus Rex
> ==============================================================================
> Just a statement here, guys and gals...
>
> I'd suggest to lose the DEAF POWER thing...it's not appropriate.
> If we continue using it, then society may look at us as a militant
> group.
>
> Again, everyone's entitled to his/her own opinion. You wanna hear
> my opinion??
>
> I say that the deaf community is still alive and kicking. We still
> have AAAD, GUAA, and NAD events. Not only that, I've already travelled
> cross-country and visited several deaf clubs...some of them are dying,
> some of them are still strong. For instance, I went to Fremont,
> California. Where it is the mecca for the deaf in the West Coast. But
> I found that the place is family-oriented. VCR rentals, TVs, outdoor
> activities with their own cliques, and finally, watching their children
> GROW. See what I mean??
>
> The Deaf Community may be dying like there is a strong sentiment
> of APATHY here at Gallaudet.
>
> K-
> ==============================================================================
> Well said, Karl, too...
>
> Its not necessary to have deaf power..I knew it was really wrong.. at
> least we have pride in our deafness. that's all..
>
> Reddy
> ==============================================================================
>
> That is what I am afraid that Deaf Power can be get out of
> hands here. Let's not embarass ourselves to the world out there.
> I like it to keep it smooth and openness.
>
> Do you want to know what happens to Black Power in the 1960s?
>
> It was Chaos, I am telling you, don't let this history repeat
> here.
> ==============================================================================
> Dave,
>
> Ya never went to deaf clubs, so how'd you know it was well-said?
> Besides, I wonder about the deaf culture. With medicine science, they
> could remove the deaf world altogether...
> ==============================================================================
>
>
> IMHO, If you want to kill your culture, do it with APATHY; If you want
> to preserve your culture, do it with ACTION. Get involved, join the
> National Association of the Deaf (NAD) and help them with their
> membership drive, or go to the Deaf clubs and do some voluteering work,
> teach a Deaf child how to read, tell the deaf child about our famous
> Deaf leaders, inspire the child then you will see the word APATHY dying
> on their own. Gallaudet University is a special place and you meet
> special people like yourself so lets do something for once, make
> something out of yourselves because you are the living example of a
> good Deaf leader..
>
> D E A F P O W E R A L L T H E W A Y ----------------------->
> ==============================================================================
> i second hardy. if you really want to make a difference in the deaf
> community, JUST DO IT. it would really make a difference if you got
> involved into anything related to deafness or the deaf community. you
> people are a living example of a deaf person.
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Re: .132
> Nerdasaurus, I hope you're talking about those hearing students who are
> not in any way crippled or "handicapped" and cannot (read..have a hard
> time) get a job which would enable them to receieve SSI for the
> schooling part?
>
> Anyway, I've seen too much SSI abuse. I'd rather aim for complete
> indepence rather than grubbing for government support because we're deaf.
> Remember the slogan back in Spring of '88? Has anybody forgotten that?
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> A certain individual obviously has not been reading my note carefully.
>
> Go back to note .122, where someone suggested that "deaf" means no
> hearing at all, useful or otherwise, and hearing impaired means
> residual hearing.
>
> Then go back and reread my note, .129.
>
> Tell me, please, WHERE in my note did I in the least imply or suggest
> that should all start using the term hearing impaired, just because it
> happens to be a technically correct term for most of us here at Gally?
>
> Correct answer: no where.
>
> I even have a T-shirt from the Bi-cultural center saying "I'm deaf not
> hearing impaired". I do respect the right of indivdual people who, for
> whatever reason, prefer to call themselves hearing impaired. This is a
> free country. But I do not call myself hearing impaired, and I do not
> ever tell people they should use that term, nor do I ever suggest in
> any way that the word "deaf" has something wrong with it.
>
> So in the future, before you take offense at something, take a deep
> breath, go back and read the passage carefully and make sure it really
> said what you think it said. If it still says what you think it said,
> wait a day and read it a third time, THEN go ahead and present your
> views on the matter.
>
> Thenk yew.
>
> --The Red Trek
> ==============================================================================
> I won't accept hearing impaired. Case closed for me!
> ==============================================================================
> I'll accept hearing impaired, since I don't want the deaf community
> labeled as 'militant'
> ==============================================================================
> Seoond Dan! :-)
>
> At least I'm proud of being deaf.
>
> Reddy
> ==============================================================================
> I'm militant to the extent when labelling is involved. I'm Deaf, with a
> capital 'D'...
> Todd Elliott
> ==============================================================================
> You can say that again, McVay. But I would very much prefer Deaf for
> me. Hearing Impaired for you is fine with me. As long as I can say,
> the ear is broken. That would be better than argument between Deaf and
> hearing impaired.
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *D*eaf.
>
> T.
> ==============================================================================
> Note 661.149 Deaf Community Dying? 149 of 2
> Hearing impaired is deaf too, altho not to a degree as bad as the
> profoundly deaf. Anyways, I'm DEAF but I sure do act like a hearing
> impaired since I grew up in the hearing world, and of course, I find
> the deaf world much better for me.
> ==============================================================================
> Hearing Impaired is not DEAF!!!
>
> There is thousands reasons of the differences...of why!!!
>
> I herby declare I am TOTALLY DEAF!!
>
> With dang blasted proud!!
> ==============================================================================
> Well, you may say that you are DEAF but by phyiscal term, you are
> incapable of being able to hear. But, hey, I would very much prefer
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> DEAF!!
>
> Wingnuts
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> this quote "Gallaudet is the worlds only Liberal Arts University for
> the DEAF.
>
> District of Columbia Law: Section 31-1841.1
>
> Subchapter I. Gallaudet University
>
> (a) Gallaudet University.-The Gallaudet College created by an Act
> entitled "An Act to amend the charter of the Columbia Institution for
> the Deaf, change its name, define its corporate powers, and provide for
> its organization and adminstration, and for other purposes" is
> continued as a body corporate under the name of Gallaudet University.
> Hereafter Gallaudet College shall be known as Gallaudet University and
> have perpetual succession and shall have the powers and be subject to
> the limitations contained in this chapter.
>
> (b) Purpose.-The purpose of Gallaudet University shall be to provide
> education and training to deaf individuals and otherwise to further the
> education of the deaf. (Aug. 4, 1986, Stat. 1790, Pub L. 99-371, Sec.
> 101.)
>
> Source: District of Columbia Code 1981 Edition (1988 Replacement)
> Volume 7, Titles 30-36.
>
>
> Look at (b) very carefully and the purpose says it all. (It's the Law!)
> ==============================================================================
> Well done!
>
> Bust these hearing impairediers!
> ==============================================================================
> I'm deaf, so what?
>
>
> ==============================================================================
> Whoa. Whoa! Deafness is one branch of Hearing-Impaired Tree. Of course,
> there are many branches out there..
>
> I am PROUDLY to be Deaf!
> ==============================================================================
> Me, too.
> ==============================================================================
> Note 661.158 Deaf Community Dying? 158 of 2
>
> Ricky,
>
> It's that militant attitude of yours that'll be the death knell of
> this campus.
>
> Imagine this possible scenario..DEAF people at Gally protest the
> presence of Hearing Impaired persons on campus and then the groups
> begin to seperate.
>
>
> With the DEAF people in power and in the position to change
> things..That'll really mess up things...what's first?? Lowering
> the dB loss required to screen out hearing impaired persons and
> screening out persons with a good talent of speech....I can perfectly
> imagine that and to tell the truth, with the attitude of DEAF people
> torward hearing impaired people, it may as well account for the high
> withdrawl rate.
>
> A concerned hearing-impaired student
>
> Prez.
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Sorry... It is NOT dead!!
>
> It'll always be alive as long as there are deaf people around...
>
>
> Junko!!
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Some debate! Like any other, it will rage on.
>
> **To Frank Dattolo, we don't have to be hearing to say that one line
> from that Jim Morrison song, eh?? ;) **
>
> Take pride in who you all are!
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Deaf................the ear cannot be fixed and you wil have to use
> machine to support your ear system to hear...
>
> There is difffent between those two words....therefore....I am deaf
>
> Ricky is deaf
>
> Everyone are deaf unless if your ears still working a bit then you re
> hearing impared
> ==============================================================================
>
> Hearing Imparied? It sounds as though as there's something wrong with
> not being able to hear. Deaf? It sounds as though as they know that
> they will NEVER be hearing, no matter what the circumstances are.
> Frankly, I don't care who's hearing impaired or deaf as long as they
> are friendly and open minded around me!!
>
> The ONLY thing that ticks me off is hearing people who take symphathy
> on the "poor" deaf people. Those people are the ones who are truly
> impaired as in being DEAF IMPAIRED!!! It's high time that they start
> to understand that hearing loss does not equal loss in intellgence...
>
>
> Junko!
> ==============================================================================
> Geez... some HEARING IMPAIRED idiots. Seems to me that you have no
> pride in your own identity. Hmm, let me ask you, what you both doing
> in here, since this is the only place for DEAF students, while the
> other univeristy PROVIDE programs for those so-called HEARING IMPAIRED
> students.
>
> *shaking my head in disappointment*
> ==============================================================================
>
> Well....I think that we, as much as you do, have the right to be here
> because we felt that Gally was the better place, educationally, to be.
> If, like others here, we came for the social aspect of it, then I'd
> have been AD'ed long ago....
>
> As for Wingnuts....Well, I just say, I hope your scrotum sprouts wings
> and flies away...with you in tow...
> ==============================================================================
>
> FYI, I don't think I'm hearing impaired... I consider myself deaf,
> since I don't think I'm impaired in any way. However, I believe in
> being open minded to ALL people, deaf, hearing impaired, and even
> hearing people!! What do you say to that?
> ==============================================================================
> Fine, then why bother to complain about this term, DEAF??
> ==============================================================================
> I dont believe in segration, Mr. Wingfield. I believe in sharing
> identities. Now, let's not get militant. let's be a little more
> understanding here. Life's a beach, and then you die.
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> They're not different in philosophy, ask any audiologist over
> at the audiology dept and they will tell you the definition!
>
> Hearing impaired identify you as a deaf person. Period.
> That same for the blind person(visually impaired).
> ==============================================================================
> Well, the audiologist are hearing, and they won't understand us damn
> well. Geez... we are DEAF, not hearing impaired. That term really
> disgusts me.
> ==============================================================================
> Come on there is not difference between deaf and hearing-impaired. No
> one is perfect on the @#$% earth. @#$% happen that we can not do about
> it. Get a life and go on with the life. Be prode and use positive
> attitude. Nothing will change. Will be that way for years.
>
> Road Runner
> ==============================================================================
>
>
>
> I hate the term hearing- impaired labelled on us deaf people by hearing
> people. Hearing- impaired sounds stupid. There is no such thing as
> visual-impaired to blind people and mental-impaired to retared people
> or erection-impaired to impotent people (snickers) but you get the
> idea. Deaf is better than that. I consider myself deaf person. If I see
> other people saying "hearing-impaired" then I will take that person to
> the back alley for a pounding vocabulary lessons.
>
>
> FIREHAWK
> ==============================================================================
>
> Gosh, you're so wrong that you can't pound me! All right, I
> don't give a damn about hearing people calling us hearing impaired
> just because of your deaf background. Know what, it was NOT a hearing
> guy that termed the word, deaf, as "hearing impaired". In fact, it
> was termed by a deaf man a long time ago. When I was the first time
> here, there were a NSSA of the NSP, told us an interesting history
> of the deaf people and why the hearing impaired label? Well, she
> said that deaf mean hearing impaired. Hearing impaired mean deaf.
> Nothing more. Hearing impaired is not an ugly word, it is an
> identification, a very formal one, that define the deaf people of
> their hearing losses. Being deaf is acceptable word here because it
> is very informal. That obviously explained that some of you have
> poor understanding of English language. Some of you couldn't tell
> which word is formal or informal. Sad but true. *shaking head in
> disgust*
>
> So let's knock off the militant attitude toward hearing people
> and stop lambasting hearing impaired as a stupid label. Just accept it!
> ==============================================================================
> Then deaf-impaired means hearing, white-impaired would be
> the correct term for a black person, black-impaired for a
> white person, and so it goes. I don't like "hearing-impaired"
> because it focuses on what is perceived to be "missing",
> why should that be the focus?
>
> Pat Johanson
>
> If you'll take a look at the report of the Commission on
> Education of the Deaf, which made a national study of and
> recommendations for improving education of the deaf, you'll
> see that the word hearing-impaired is NEVER used in it--
> the term used is "deaf and hard-of-hearing." But heck,
> what's in a name, call yourself whatever you want, I'll
> do the same.
> ==============================================================================
>
> SECONDED!!!!
>
> You've hit right on the point I was trying to prove to these guys out
> there...
>
> Thanks....
>
> Junko!
> ==============================================================================
>
> I almost thirded you, Pat, for that it proven nothing.
>
> Thanks.....
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> In the Webster dictionary the word "deaf" means:
>
> "not perceiving sounds; totally or partially unable to hear"
>
>
> The word Hearing-impaired is not in the book!
>
> Hearing-impaired is used to hide their deafness and show the hearing
> people that the only thing is wrong with them is their hearing, so its
> impaired. I rather go to the hearing world and tell them I am Deaf and
> most of the time they become shocked and overwhelmed with your utmost
> ability to do anything. "Deaf people can do anything except Hear."
>
> The word "DEAF" has been around so long, way back in the days of the
> Philosophers and why want to change it now, what are you guys
> embarrassed about? You may talk well but it doesn't change the fact
> that you are Deaf, I can talk well but my audiogram says I have the
> loss of 105dbl of both ears and I would not be stupid to say, "Excuse
> me, I am hard-of-hearing or hearing-impaired," because in fact that I
> know I am profoundly DEAF.
>
> I just wanted to make a point, why fuss over the word DEAF, what's
> wrong with it, is it cancerous, or what!
>
> Hello, my name is Stephen Hardy and I am Deaf, and your name is....
> ==============================================================================
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Oh don't forget to add teeth-impaired as for braces.
>
> Mr. Hardy,
> Regarding to your reply .187,
> You made very beautiful point. Love it!
> -Gitch-
>
> ==============================================================================
>
> A good one, Hardy, that clarified everything. The concept of
> deaf and hearing impaired has been remained the same for a long time.
> The truth is that I am not awared of the so-called "audiologist's
> terming of the word, "hearing impaired" meant deaf. But I rather
> not let deaf people make hearing people "scapegoats" for calling
> us deafies "hearing impaired". I don't blame hearing people for that
> because I felt it will create more barrier between the two peoples.
>
> "The truth may be sounded awful to you, but it is the truth."
>
> Anonymous
> ==============================================================================
> The philosophers probably called the Deaf people "DEAF" because they
> acted like they are dead. I mean, they probably omit "D" and add "F",
> but I'm thankful that it did happen because Deaf is the most neat word
> I can think of.
> ==============================================================================
> Nononononononono!
>
> I mean, the Philosophers probably called these deaf people in the BC or
> AD after saw them doing nothing, impossible to learn, beggars...etc.
> So that they called them deaf because they ALMOST fitted the DEAD
> syndrome. I am not surprised to see it happening in the BC or early
> AD!!
> ==============================================================================
>
> Hmmm... those deaf dudes look pretty lively today...
THis one is good one. I finally enjoyed read all this one. I hope
that I will see more like this one. I have joined deaf E-Mail since two
October ago and it is so bored and, finally this one is bread of life
for me. Keep up.