[CHRISTIA] Fw: Colorado Kids
Kathy M Schmisseur
--------- Forwarded message ----------
From: "Carrie Anderson" <mcw4...@inland.net>
I am sure that at this point in time, everyone has heard of the tragic
story of the Colorado High School shooting. In memory of those souls who
were lost, for those who were injured, and for those who will have to
live
with the image of watching their best friend getting shot down, I would
like to start this list to show the people of Colorado that we care. If
this
gets around and enough people put their names on, it will eventually get
around to those people involved in this incident, and they will know that
we
are
thinking of them and for those of us who pray, they are in ours
prayers. Please, everyone who receives this, put your name and screen
name,
or
just one of the two if you prefer, to show that we care. By the way, this
is
not a chain letter. If you decide not to send this on, nothing bad will
happen to you. But please, have a heart, and show you care and pass it
on
to as much people as you can, even people out of AOL.
1. Ron Rohr (Shark...@AOL.COM)
2. melissa (mel1...@aol.com)
3. Donna (freek...@aol.com
4. Angie (angie...@aol.com)
5. Alex H. (Jah...@aol.com)
6. Manuela(chica...@aol.com)
7. Meghan (jeep...@aol.com)
8. Farrah (waik...@aol.com)
9. Stacey (sur...@aol.com)
10. Amanda (abo...@aol.com)
11. Kate Del Vecchio (xca...@aol.com)
12. Kate Boynton (boynt...@aol.com)
13. Erin Colpitt (Eryn...@aol.com)
14. Amelia Clukey (Cluk...@AOL.com)
15. Nicole (swis...@aol.com)
16. L.B. (Goalk...@aol.com)
17. Beth Sevigny (BSev2...@aol.com)
19. Brenda Clark
20. Heidi Willey
21. Denise @ Danny from Melbourne, Australia (Tu...@alphalink.com.au)
22. Carrie & Norman Anderson, California.. USA
23. Kahy Schmisseur (Kathy...@juno.com)
**********
To leave the list CHRISTIA, send the command UNSUB CHRISTIA
to LIST...@LISTS.ASU.EDU or, if you experience difficulties,
write to CHRISTIA...@ASU.EDU.
Arthur N. Klassen
Hash: SHA1
I'm not really a Cyber-Zealot, but I do want to point out where the
standard of good net-izenship used to be, and exhort all of us to live
up to it.
I'm not a cynic (just ask my wife). Rather, I feel compelled to point
out the following sort of thing periodically.
Other long-time Internetters on christia-l can confirm what I write
here. Failing that, find a friend who has been "online" since before
1990 and bounce what I write below off them before you dismiss this
out of hand as a rant:
<CYBERZEALOT>
Kathy M Schmisseur wrote:
>
> I haven't seen this picture by Rene Magritte, but I'm hoping it
> doesn't discourage you from showing your support....
The picture by Magritte is a picture of a pipe. Written underneath
that pipe are the words, "Ceci n'est pas une pipe." which is French
for "This is not a pipe." Magritte was a surrealist, but he was
pointing out a valid fact: When you draw a picture representing
something, the picture isn't the same as the thing it represents. (I
believe a recent movie -- First Sight? -- about a blind-from-birth
adult who receives his sight makes the same point with a picture of an
apple.)
The reason I posted what I posted was to point out the surreal nature
of a chain letter claiming not to be a chain letter.
What you sent, Kathy, as well intentioned as it was, was, by
definition, a chain letter. The fact that it contained the following
line:
> ... By the way, this is not a chain letter ...
changes that fact not in the least.
E-mail chain letters are not an appropriate way of supporting any
cause. They are not as costly as junk-faxes, but they are considered
by some to be as much of a nuisance. Trying to support a worthy cause
through unworthy means dishonours that cause....
The reason I try to combat any and all chain letters...
even more why I do that on a list that's supposedly about
Practical Christian Living...
is in the interest of encouraging good net-citizenship. Why should
this matter to believers? "So far as it rests with you, live at peace
with everyone."
E-mail chain letters clog up mail servers. (all right, not as much as
an active Melissa virus, but they do clog up the mail servers)
E-mail chain letters will not save a little boy from cancer. They will
not win you a new computer or a trip to Hawai'i either.
Chances are these Colorado kids would rather leave Columbine behind
them than have letters of "emotional support" from total strangers
flying toward them periodically.
When tragedy strikes you, do you want hordes of "comfort" messages
sent to you by total strangers most of whom have never experienced
what you experienced?
</CYBERZEALOT>
I've only been on the Internet since 1987 or so, and I've watched it
degenerate into an often useless morass of phony warnings, chain
letters, petitions brayed over virtual megaphones, endlessly and
repeatedly. I'd like to see the signal-to-noise ratio to rise up over
60% again, so occasionally I answer back.
committed always to excellence, but always, and more importantly for
the sake of Christ...ank
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-----
Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.5.3
iQA/AwUBNyeOdBkuNxFeUgK/EQLQaACfQQZUrqgGldYguzyuKAUifgcny60An3OE
iyfwYirowNH9P5UB+gdPUEfW
=AIMS
-----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
arthur_...@hotmail.com | The word "mercy"'s gonna have a new meaning
<*> | +t+ -> | |0 !! | when we are judged by the children of our slaves
PGP: **** 2047/DCDF9341:E273 AD0E F99A 8869 050B 5E92 0E47 C151 **** two
finger- *** 30DF 376C 43D0 DA74 F33F 752C 192E 3711 5E52 02BF *** prints
**********
For help on using CHRISTIA's listserv processor to change
your subscription, search the archives, or use the library,
send the command GET FAQ PART1 to LIST...@LISTS.ASU.EDU
Kathy M Schmisseur
I was asking folks to forward, whether it said it wasn't or not. And you
are also right that there are other ways, probably more effective than
just the offering of condolescences from strangers, to help. The most
effective way I can think of is working on some ways to protect kids from
stuff they shouldn't and don't have the maturity to deal with
successfully. The worst thing, of course, is to shake our heads, say
"tsk-tsk", and ignore it from then on. If we don't protect all the
children, who will? Whether they are born of our bodies or not, they're
ours and need mature adult care until they become mature adults
themselves. After that, I for one still don't want to be on my own. I
need my Lord and my network of friends. GBY Kathy
Arthur N. Klassen
>
> Your point is well-taken, Arthur...
Thanks for making me feel like more than a ranter...
> The most effective way I can think of is working on some ways
> to protect kids from stuff they shouldn't and don't have the maturity
> to deal with successfully.
There's a tricky balance here between protecting and an iterative "equip and
expose" loop. This topic has a fair bit of my constant attention. I have three
sons, aged 9, 7 and (nearly) 3 and not only are they at different stages of
life, so am I, relative to where they are. Not only so, but they are each very
different personalities. I have, ultimately, One loving Heavenly Father to
introduce them to and help them get to know so that ultimately they will be able
to "deal justly, love mercy and walk humbly with God" in a world where "the love
of many [is waxing] cold," where the walls are crumbling and "many are saying,
'who can show us any good?'"
I'm reminded of a story quoted from "The Hiding Place" in the Spire Comic
edition (the only version I've read...) where Corrie ten Boom recalls her father
said and did when she asked him (as a pre-teen or younger) what "sexsin" was. He
didn't answer. They were on a train and he had a large, heavy suitcase with him.
He pushed it toward her and said that he wanted her to carry it when they
arrived at their destination. She complained that it was too heavy. He answered
that some knowledge, like the answer to her question, was like that suitcase: It
was so heavy that he ought not give it to her until she had grown up a bit more.
> The worst thing, of course, is to shake our
> heads, say "tsk-tsk", and ignore it from then on.
Worse still is neglecting our own children. Parenting, especially stay-at-home
mothering is not only a lost art, it's a despised one. It drives her up a wall
sometimes, but let me take this opportunity to state what an honourable job my
wife is doing with our sons.
> If we don't protect all the children, who will? Whether they are born
> of our bodies or not, they're ours and need mature adult care until
> they become mature adults themselves.
More tough balancing-act issues here... If one throws one's own 'mantle of care'
too widely and one's own closest responsibilities drop off the end, what then? I
have a friend for whom throwing his home open like this cost him his marriage
and a lot more...
> After that, I for one still don't want to be on my own. I need my Lord
> and my network of friends.
"well my life is full of songs,
but I just could not get along
without my friends..." (Larry Norman)
> GBY Kathy
and you...ank
--
arthur_...@hotmail.com | The word "mercy"'s gonna have a new meaning
<*> | +t+ -> | |0 !! | when we are judged by the children of our slaves
PGP: **** 2047/DCDF9341:E273 AD0E F99A 8869 050B 5E92 0E47 C151 **** two
finger- *** 30DF 376C 43D0 DA74 F33F 752C 192E 3711 5E52 02BF *** prints
**********
Kathy M Schmisseur
know anything else to say. I don't think you are a ranter at all.
Certainly we can't do more in some cases beyond being available as a
voice of reason. Sometimes you have to wait to be asked and that may be
very difficult for many. What do you think God instructs us to do in His
guidebook with these children, especially the ones who aren't "ours"?
GBY Kathy
On Wed, 28 Apr 1999 23:58:46 -0700 "Arthur N. Klassen" <an...@HOME.COM>
writes:
Arthur N. Klassen
> I wish I had more answers for you, Art or Arthur, or ank.
I prefer Arthur, but I've been signing the bottom of e-mails
'cheers...ank' for such a long time.
> I just don't know anything else to say.
And I wasn't so much looking for answers as I was trying to share what I
think I do know (if anyone as young as I can dare to say they -know-
anything).
> I don't think you are a ranter at all.
Thank you. I'm still not overly comfortable with tone-of-voice in
written communication. I try to write as I speak, but sometimes, I
'read' far more pompous than anyone could ever take me when they hear
me. So it's encouraging to me that someone doesn't think I'm a pompous
old ranter. :)
> Certainly we can't do more in some cases beyond being available as a
> voice of reason. Sometimes you have to wait to be asked and that may
> be very difficult for many.
Between me and my father, the dialogue never stopped. Perhaps I was more
compliant than most kids, perhaps it was just that he knew how to ask
for forgiveness from his son, but I never went throught that so-called
necessary rebellion. I did do some individu-ating, and on one or two
times that butted heads with my Mom, but my Dad always understood.
So I'm honestly planning on maintaining the lines of communication all
the way up. If I have my way, my boys'll hear about adult topics (sex,
substances, violence, evil and all that) first from me. I've already
started laying the ground work...
Q: What's it mean to be a man?
A: Being gentle and strong. Strong to protect the weak, strong to do the
right thing, gentle toward everyone else.
The oldest one knows it cold. The second one, less so. The third isn't
the least bit propositional yet, so that'll wait. One or more of my
three may decide that I'm some kind of doofus at some point, and then
I'll have to go back to the 'wait to be asked' department, and yes, I'll
find that hard.
> What do you think God instructs us to do in His
> guidebook with these children, especially the ones who aren't "ours"?
Tough one. oh so tough one. A song by one of my role models, Keith Green
says it all: The Sheep and the Goats, especially the line at the end
that he adds (most of it is from the parable, accompanied by a rattling
piano-only sound-track):
"And the only difference between the sheep and the goats, according to
the Scriptures, is what they did...
or didn't...
do." -- rolling into intro of Asleep in the Light...
I'm still not satisfied with where I am on this topic. Some time,
re-read the New Testament some time with an eye to verses exhorting us
to minister to the poor and to pursue mercy. Sometimes it's downright
-scary-. Especially when you consider that all but the very poorest of
the poor in Canada are monetarily richer than 1/3 or more of the rest of
the world.
blessings to all..ank
rcor...@mail.auracom.com
> From: "Arthur N. Klassen" <an...@HOME.COM>
> Subject: Re: [CHRISTIA] Fw: Colorado Kids
> To: CHRI...@asu.edu
> Reply-to: Practical Christian Life <CHRI...@asu.edu>
> Organization: ANSAK Software Uninc.
COMMENT: The May issue of the Reader's Digest has a good article on
raising children, "The Seven Commandments of Parenting".
1. Be a parent not a pal.
2. Discipline early.
3. Spend time with your kids.
4. Control the Electronics.
5. Know what your child is up to.
6. Don't get carried away with "self-esteem."
7. Stay married.
I think I would like to add "Love Them", and "Pray for
them." Our kids were brought up on love and prayer and is seems to
have worked. None of us are so wise we can bring up our children
without God's help.
What would you like to add to this list?
Roland.