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P.W. Fenton
Mar 7, 2012, 12:48:16 PM3/7/12
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There, I've said it. In my opinion, screeching, mostly out of tune, is not soulful greatness. Never understood her appeal. Her voice has the same effect on me as Sarah Palin's... I just want it to stop.
P.W. Fenton
Hudson, FL
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Mar 7, 2012, 1:04:03 PM3/7/12
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There, I've said it. In my opinion, screeching, mostly out of tune, is not
soulful greatness. Never understood her appeal. Her voice has the same effect
on me as Sarah Palin's... I just want it to stop.
She was a truly great live performer and her total commitment into the music often meant she did not hit the notes true.
But I would take that over the pitch perfect vocalist who just did it by the numbers . . .
Dick Waterman
1601 Buchanan Avenue
Oxford, MS 38655
Jonny Meister
Mar 7, 2012, 1:15:47 PM3/7/12
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She always seemed a little over the top to me... at times almost a
caricature of blues singing. She had a good voice, and a bad life...
but I just don't see her in a class with Big Mama Thornton...
At 01:00 PM 3/7/2012, Dick Waterman wrote:
>
>She was a truly great live performer and her total commitment into
>the music often meant she did not hit the notes true.
>
>But I would take that over the pitch perfect vocalist who just did
>it by the numbers . . .
caricature of blues singing. She had a good voice, and a bad life...
but I just don't see her in a class with Big Mama Thornton...
At 01:00 PM 3/7/2012, Dick Waterman wrote:
>
>She was a truly great live performer and her total commitment into
>the music often meant she did not hit the notes true.
>
>But I would take that over the pitch perfect vocalist who just did
>it by the numbers . . .
P.W. Fenton
Mar 7, 2012, 1:19:05 PM3/7/12
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On Mar 7, 2012, at 13:00, jinx...@aol.com wrote:
>
> She was a truly great live performer and her total commitment into the music often meant she did not hit the notes true.
I would guess that her commitment to drunkenness meant she did not hit the notes true. I will admit to her place in the pantheon of Rock, but I never understood then, or now what she's doing there. I just heard a tribute to her on the radio, that I admit I was going to buy into, and then they played some of her performances. Just grating to me. But hey... that's what it's all about. Music is subjective. One person's Muddy Waters is another person's... well OK... maybe that's a bad example :-)
>
> She was a truly great live performer and her total commitment into the music often meant she did not hit the notes true.
Ricky Stevens
Mar 7, 2012, 1:54:46 PM3/7/12
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Perfect pitch is vastly over rated. I know too many people who can hit every note every time and bore me to Quaalude-land in the process.
Janis Joplin didn't have a great voice, but she was a great singer. She was one of those rare artists who can pull me into her world and let me see and feel a glimpse of what she saw and felt.
Ricky Stevens
Arkabutla, Mississippi
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Janis Joplin didn't have a great voice, but she was a great singer. She was one of those rare artists who can pull me into her world and let me see and feel a glimpse of what she saw and felt.
Ricky Stevens
Arkabutla, Mississippi
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Jay Watterworth
Mar 7, 2012, 2:00:46 PM3/7/12
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I guess you just had to see her live. I did, however, glom onto her with
the first Big Brother lp.
Jay
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the first Big Brother lp.
Jay
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Stan Erhart
Mar 7, 2012, 2:23:43 PM3/7/12
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I've never been a huge Janis fan, or other somewhat out of control performers such as Jim Morrison. But when I'm in the right frame of mind for the psychedelic '60s, I appreciate what she was doing. She was a reflection of that culture and put herself into the moment, which was the "how to live" gospel of the times. Anyone getting too far into the lifestyle, though, found it harder than expected.
Stan
Stan
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Mar 7, 2012, 3:03:37 PM3/7/12
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as they say opinions are like buttholes and everybody has one and some use
em in different ways, but explaining soul to someone who doesn't fully
understand it is nearly impossible, janis was one of the most soulful
performers who ever existed
In a message dated 3/7/2012 9:52:22 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
em in different ways, but explaining soul to someone who doesn't fully
understand it is nearly impossible, janis was one of the most soulful
performers who ever existed
In a message dated 3/7/2012 9:52:22 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
Jimmy Jacobs
Mar 7, 2012, 3:28:31 PM3/7/12
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Janis is another of those artists that I truly regret I never had the chance
to see live. I've seen film that blew me away. Some of her recorded
material transfixes me; others seem more pedestrian, but I do consider her
one of the most emotive singers of my generation.
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to see live. I've seen film that blew me away. Some of her recorded
material transfixes me; others seem more pedestrian, but I do consider her
one of the most emotive singers of my generation.
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P.W. Fenton
Mar 7, 2012, 3:43:49 PM3/7/12
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On Mar 7, 2012, at 15:01, Blue...@aol.com wrote:
> as they say opinions are like buttholes and everybody has one and some use
> em in different ways, but explaining soul to someone who doesn't fully
> understand it is nearly impossible, janis was one of the most soulful
> performers who ever existed
If she represents what "soul" is, then yes... you (whoever Blues9981 is) are correct. I don't understand. And.. if seeing her live is the key, then that key is lost, since all we have are the recordings.
> as they say opinions are like buttholes and everybody has one and some use
> em in different ways, but explaining soul to someone who doesn't fully
> understand it is nearly impossible, janis was one of the most soulful
> performers who ever existed
Sarah Vaughan is soul... Ella Fitzgerald is soul... Ruth Brown is soul... Rosetta Tharpe is soul... Etta James is soul...
But for me Ms. Joplin is the musical equivalent of fingernails on a blackboard... a harsh screechy voice, forever searching for, but just a hair north or south of the pitch she thinks she is singing. Another similar singer, and there are millions of them in every lounge across the country, wouldn't warrant such attention. It's just that this one has enjoyed so much acclaim.
Terry Odor
Mar 7, 2012, 3:43:53 PM3/7/12
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I can see why someone might not appreciate Janis but I always have and always
will LOVE the way she felt the music and expressed herself through it. I used
to ocassionally run into her at parties etc but I did not know her. I hope she
RIP!
Terry
> Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 14:18:24 -0600
> From: jacobsl...@GMAIL.COM
will LOVE the way she felt the music and expressed herself through it. I used
to ocassionally run into her at parties etc but I did not know her. I hope she
RIP!
Terry
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mannish
Mar 7, 2012, 5:53:55 PM3/7/12
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She moved/s me and don't care if she was hitting the correct note or
not....she stirred up my innards and that's all that matters to me
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not....she stirred up my innards and that's all that matters to me
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Silkc...@aol.com
Mar 7, 2012, 6:14:32 PM3/7/12
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What still puzzles me is, if you were alive, adult and semi-conscious at
the time you would recognize that she was NOT the ONLY one doing what she
was doing....cross-over hippie/blues or straight up blues, I can think of
other of her contemporaries like Lydia Pense or Genya Ravan ; who never
achieved the level of recognition that Janis did...even though both had superior
vocal skills and equally soulful and passionate deliveries.
Andy Allu
_Silk City Records_ (http://www.silkcitycd.com/)
www.silkcitycd.com
In a message dated 3/7/2012 3:07:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
the time you would recognize that she was NOT the ONLY one doing what she
was doing....cross-over hippie/blues or straight up blues, I can think of
other of her contemporaries like Lydia Pense or Genya Ravan ; who never
achieved the level of recognition that Janis did...even though both had superior
vocal skills and equally soulful and passionate deliveries.
Andy Allu
_Silk City Records_ (http://www.silkcitycd.com/)
www.silkcitycd.com
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Joel Fritz
Mar 7, 2012, 7:13:20 PM3/7/12
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I don't know if I'd put it quite that way, but I did see her live at
Winterland before she was a national act. I wasn't impressed. It was
like the volume and emotion controls were stuck on 11.
Anyone who hasn't heard Erma Franklin's version of "Piece of My Heart,"
the original, ought to, just for calibration purposes.
Fritz Bros Tunes: http://www.myspace.com/thefritzbrothers
On 3/7/2012 9:46 AM, P.W. Fenton wrote:
> There, I've said it. In my opinion, screeching, mostly out of tune, is not soulful greatness. Never understood her appeal. Her voice has the same effect on me as Sarah Palin's... I just want it to stop.
>
> P.W. Fenton
> Hudson, FL
> 2003 KBA winner
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Winterland before she was a national act. I wasn't impressed. It was
like the volume and emotion controls were stuck on 11.
Anyone who hasn't heard Erma Franklin's version of "Piece of My Heart,"
the original, ought to, just for calibration purposes.
Fritz Bros Tunes: http://www.myspace.com/thefritzbrothers
On 3/7/2012 9:46 AM, P.W. Fenton wrote:
> There, I've said it. In my opinion, screeching, mostly out of tune, is not soulful greatness. Never understood her appeal. Her voice has the same effect on me as Sarah Palin's... I just want it to stop.
>
> P.W. Fenton
> Hudson, FL
> 2003 KBA winner
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Joel Fritz
Mar 7, 2012, 7:16:22 PM3/7/12
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Technically, perfect pitch is the ability to identify the pitch of any
note. It's a kind of idiot savant thing that's actually useful. It
doesn't mean that you can sing on key.
I do agree that good pitch control is not , by itself, the measure of
singing. OTOH, I can't listen to Frank Sinatra, who could phrase well,
for more than a minute or so because after about 1950 he had serious
pitch problems. It affects me like chalk squeaking on a blackboard.
There are a lot of singers with good pitch control whom I can't listen
to for more than a minute or so because they sound like they're singing
lyrics transliterated from a language they don't understand.
note. It's a kind of idiot savant thing that's actually useful. It
doesn't mean that you can sing on key.
I do agree that good pitch control is not , by itself, the measure of
singing. OTOH, I can't listen to Frank Sinatra, who could phrase well,
for more than a minute or so because after about 1950 he had serious
pitch problems. It affects me like chalk squeaking on a blackboard.
There are a lot of singers with good pitch control whom I can't listen
to for more than a minute or so because they sound like they're singing
lyrics transliterated from a language they don't understand.
On 3/7/2012 10:32 AM, Ricky Stevens wrote:
> Perfect pitch is vastly over rated.
> Perfect pitch is vastly over rated.
Joel Fritz
Mar 7, 2012, 7:16:33 PM3/7/12
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Then there was Tina Turner who was near the end of her chitlin' circuit
career at that time and probably was a big influence.
career at that time and probably was a big influence.
On 3/7/2012 3:12 PM, Silkc...@AOL.COM wrote:
> What still puzzles me is, if you were alive, adult and semi-conscious at
> the time you would recognize that she was NOT the ONLY one doing what she
> was doing....cross-over hippie/blues or straight up blues, I can think of
> other of her contemporaries like Lydia Pense or Genya Ravan ; who never
> achieved the level of recognition that Janis did...even though both had superior
> vocal skills and equally soulful and passionate deliveries.
>
> Andy Allu
> _Silk City Records_ (http://www.silkcitycd.com/)
> www.silkcitycd.com
>
>
> In a message dated 3/7/2012 3:07:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Blue...@AOL.COM writes:
>
> janis was one of the most soulful
> performers who ever existed
>
>
>
>
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> What still puzzles me is, if you were alive, adult and semi-conscious at
> the time you would recognize that she was NOT the ONLY one doing what she
> was doing....cross-over hippie/blues or straight up blues, I can think of
> other of her contemporaries like Lydia Pense or Genya Ravan ; who never
> achieved the level of recognition that Janis did...even though both had superior
> vocal skills and equally soulful and passionate deliveries.
>
> Andy Allu
> _Silk City Records_ (http://www.silkcitycd.com/)
> www.silkcitycd.com
>
>
> In a message dated 3/7/2012 3:07:32 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> Blue...@AOL.COM writes:
>
> janis was one of the most soulful
> performers who ever existed
>
>
>
>
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MARK SCHOSSOW
Mar 7, 2012, 8:16:27 PM3/7/12
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Billy Holliday died from her heroin habit also,Etta also had habits that took her before her time.
One wonders if they had gone on, would they have evolved, into something different ,had they not had the habits,unfortunately if the drug, had been cleansed from they're poison
Yup say...Ya dont need to own no shoes to dance da Blues.
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From: P.W. Fenton
> performers who ever existed
If she represents what "soul" is, then yes... you (whoever Blues9981 is) are correct. I don't understand. And.. if seeing her live is the key, then that key is lost, since all we have are the recordings.
Sarah Vaughan is soul... Ella Fitzgerald is soul... Ruth Brown is soul... Rosetta Tharpe is soul... Etta James is soul...
But for me Ms. Joplin is the musical equivalent of fingernails on a blackboard... a harsh screechy voice, forever searching for, but just a hair north or south of the pitch she thinks she is singing. Another similar singer, and there are millions of them in every lounge across the country, wouldn't warrant such attention. It's just that this one has enjoyed so much acclaim.
One wonders if they had gone on, would they have evolved, into something different ,had they not had the habits,unfortunately if the drug, had been cleansed from they're poison
Yup say...Ya dont need to own no shoes to dance da Blues.
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> as they say opinions are like buttholes and everybody has one and some use
> em in different ways, but explaining soul to someone who doesn't fully
> understand it is nearly impossible, janis was one of the most soulful
> em in different ways, but explaining soul to someone who doesn't fully
> performers who ever existed
If she represents what "soul" is, then yes... you (whoever Blues9981 is) are correct. I don't understand. And.. if seeing her live is the key, then that key is lost, since all we have are the recordings.
Sarah Vaughan is soul... Ella Fitzgerald is soul... Ruth Brown is soul... Rosetta Tharpe is soul... Etta James is soul...
But for me Ms. Joplin is the musical equivalent of fingernails on a blackboard... a harsh screechy voice, forever searching for, but just a hair north or south of the pitch she thinks she is singing. Another similar singer, and there are millions of them in every lounge across the country, wouldn't warrant such attention. It's just that this one has enjoyed so much acclaim.
Terry Groff
Mar 7, 2012, 8:21:29 PM3/7/12
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You are right considering I've never heard of either of them. Were Lydia and
Genya part of the Haight-Ashbury crowd like Janis was?
I have never refrained from telling people that I never liked Janis Joplin
and I loathed Big Brother and the Holding Company. They were like proverbial
chalk on a blackboard to me.
Terry Montgomery
Genya part of the Haight-Ashbury crowd like Janis was?
I have never refrained from telling people that I never liked Janis Joplin
and I loathed Big Brother and the Holding Company. They were like proverbial
chalk on a blackboard to me.
Terry Montgomery
chuck 249
Mar 7, 2012, 9:41:51 PM3/7/12
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Oh, I don't know....what about Blind Willie Johnson or Frankie Lee
Sims? Ok, neither gathered nearly the acclaim, but they sported rough
vocal qualities. Johnny Winter, if we are looking for a contemporary
(and almost a neighbor) of hers, could never be accused of having a
velvet throat.
What they did share was a passion, the kind that could and did snatch
up many a listener by the ear, and turn them into lifelong fans.
She was not perfect, but she sure was good.
chuck, in dallas
On Mar 7, 2012, at 14:43, "P.W. Fenton" <pwfe...@radiofreeradio.org> wrote:
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 15:01, Blue...@aol.com wrote:
> But for me Ms. Joplin is the musical equivalent of fingernails on a blackboard... a harsh screechy voice, forever searching for, but just a hair north or south of the pitch she thinks she is singing. Another similar singer, and there are millions of them in every lounge across the country, wouldn't warrant such attention. It's just that this one has enjoyed so much acclaim.
Sims? Ok, neither gathered nearly the acclaim, but they sported rough
vocal qualities. Johnny Winter, if we are looking for a contemporary
(and almost a neighbor) of hers, could never be accused of having a
velvet throat.
What they did share was a passion, the kind that could and did snatch
up many a listener by the ear, and turn them into lifelong fans.
She was not perfect, but she sure was good.
chuck, in dallas
On Mar 7, 2012, at 14:43, "P.W. Fenton" <pwfe...@radiofreeradio.org> wrote:
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 15:01, Blue...@aol.com wrote:
> But for me Ms. Joplin is the musical equivalent of fingernails on a blackboard... a harsh screechy voice, forever searching for, but just a hair north or south of the pitch she thinks she is singing. Another similar singer, and there are millions of them in every lounge across the country, wouldn't warrant such attention. It's just that this one has enjoyed so much acclaim.
MARK SCHOSSOW
Mar 7, 2012, 9:47:13 PM3/7/12
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Why do you think that is?Could it be because you might have a different definition of a "soulful voice" than millions of others around the world?Could it be that she had so bad of a habit that takes the cream off the top of the milk.Etta James,Billy Holliday, Other's, that would have been given the chance to reach the pinnacle, only to fall off because the dragons tail,had brought them fame,and than,once they reached they're best,they had to pay the boatman's price.I truly believe that many great singers, never were given that chance to become what they wanted to be,but for the habits wrapped around the soul.May allow one to reach that place that they strive for,but do not let them stay that way,cuz it is what it always is, and claims you in the end.
So many of our greatest talents ........were lost ........to us.Sometimes we forget that the truly gifted are in charge of their destinies, and it's they're lives.As some make their music become part of us,we tend to claim them, and grow bitterly unconsolable.What would Janice have evolved to,given a few more years,as others have been given decades,and mostly stay as great as they are.Ms.Joplin had only a few years and most loved the soul of herself. Cut and dried.
Sorry my writing went on so long.Some of the hardest words I ever searched for.
Mark W.Schossow
Yup say...Ya dont need to own no shoes to dance da Blues.
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From: P.W. Fenton
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To: BLU...@LISTSERV.NETHELPS.COM
> performers who ever existed
If she represents what "soul" is, then yes... you (whoever Blues9981 is) are correct. I don't understand. And.. if seeing her live is the key, then that key is lost, since all we have are the recordings.
Sarah Vaughan is soul... Ella Fitzgerald is soul... Ruth Brown is soul... Rosetta Tharpe is soul... Etta James is soul...
So many of our greatest talents ........were lost ........to us.Sometimes we forget that the truly gifted are in charge of their destinies, and it's they're lives.As some make their music become part of us,we tend to claim them, and grow bitterly unconsolable.What would Janice have evolved to,given a few more years,as others have been given decades,and mostly stay as great as they are.Ms.Joplin had only a few years and most loved the soul of herself. Cut and dried.
Sorry my writing went on so long.Some of the hardest words I ever searched for.
Mark W.Schossow
Yup say...Ya dont need to own no shoes to dance da Blues.
-----Original Message-----
From: P.W. Fenton
Sent: 7 Mar 2012 20:44:47 GMT
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.NETHELPS.COM
Subject: Re: Janis Joplin: Rock and Roll Screech Owl
On Mar 7, 2012, at 15:01, Blue...@aol.com wrote:
On Mar 7, 2012, at 15:01, Blue...@aol.com wrote:
> as they say opinions are like buttholes and everybody has one and some use
> em in different ways, but explaining soul to someone who doesn't fully
> understand it is nearly impossible, janis was one of the most soulful
> em in different ways, but explaining soul to someone who doesn't fully
> performers who ever existed
If she represents what "soul" is, then yes... you (whoever Blues9981 is) are correct. I don't understand. And.. if seeing her live is the key, then that key is lost, since all we have are the recordings.
Sarah Vaughan is soul... Ella Fitzgerald is soul... Ruth Brown is soul... Rosetta Tharpe is soul... Etta James is soul...
But for me Ms. Joplin is the musical equivalent of fingernails on a blackboard... a harsh screechy voice, forever searching for, but just a hair north or south of the pitch she thinks she is singing. Another similar singer, and there are millions of them in every lounge across the country, wouldn't warrant such attention. It's just that this one has enjoyed so much acclaim.
Ricky Stevens
Mar 7, 2012, 10:19:14 PM3/7/12
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> > But for me Ms. Joplin is the musical equivalent of fingernails on a blackboard... a harsh screechy voice, forever searching for, but just a hair north or south of the pitch she thinks she is singing. Another similar singer, and there are millions of them in every lounge across the country, wouldn't warrant such attention. It's just that this one has enjoyed so much acclaim.
>
Wow. All that harsh howlin' stuff. I'm just glad no other blues person ever did any of that.
>
Ricky Stevens
Arkabutla, Mississippi
stan billings
Mar 7, 2012, 10:19:19 PM3/7/12
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I read somewhere that people that like spicy foods have underdeveloped
taste buds, they need spicy food to be able to enjoy, cause of there
underdeveloped taste buds. I love spicy, hot food and I am so grateful for
my underdeveloped taste buds.
Same with music. I know i have a bad ear. I do not hear if someone is a
bit out of tune, i do not notice background music a lot. I need a good
strong soulful vocal to get to me. I love Janis. So glad I can appreciate
and enjoy without being put off by slight unnoticeable to me things.
I have a friend who is not able to enjoy so much music because it is not
perfect. He is very talented, has a great ear. I am so glad I am not him.
Course bad part is that i love music so much, but can not play anything,
can not even clap in time, think Steve Martin in the Jerk. God does have a
sense of humor.
Stan
taste buds, they need spicy food to be able to enjoy, cause of there
underdeveloped taste buds. I love spicy, hot food and I am so grateful for
my underdeveloped taste buds.
Same with music. I know i have a bad ear. I do not hear if someone is a
bit out of tune, i do not notice background music a lot. I need a good
strong soulful vocal to get to me. I love Janis. So glad I can appreciate
and enjoy without being put off by slight unnoticeable to me things.
I have a friend who is not able to enjoy so much music because it is not
perfect. He is very talented, has a great ear. I am so glad I am not him.
Course bad part is that i love music so much, but can not play anything,
can not even clap in time, think Steve Martin in the Jerk. God does have a
sense of humor.
Stan
Stan Erhart
Mar 7, 2012, 10:36:16 PM3/7/12
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Her fame made sense to me. She had a rock star persona and delivered a show, and she was in the right place at the right time. Her rise to fame had a story that was good for newspaper articles - something about singing backstage and then being asked to join a band. Has anyone read "Living With the Myth of Janis Joplin. The history of Big Brother and the Holding Co."? I haven't read it, but I think it's written somewhat from the band's perspective of working with a singer that overshadowed the band.
Again, I wasn't a total fan, but I still hear those guitar riffs in my head, almost as much as her voice. They were part of the air waves' sonic fabric during those years. The same as Cream, the Stones, etc. The Beatles were more accomplished song writers and vocalists, but they sounded tame in comparison to many of the other bands on the radio. Wildness and rawness has an attraction. Howlin' Wolf and Wolfman Jack did all right with it.
Stan Erhart
Again, I wasn't a total fan, but I still hear those guitar riffs in my head, almost as much as her voice. They were part of the air waves' sonic fabric during those years. The same as Cream, the Stones, etc. The Beatles were more accomplished song writers and vocalists, but they sounded tame in comparison to many of the other bands on the radio. Wildness and rawness has an attraction. Howlin' Wolf and Wolfman Jack did all right with it.
Stan Erhart
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Subject: Re: Janis Joplin: Rock and Roll Screech Owl
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Joel Fritz
Mar 7, 2012, 10:45:52 PM3/7/12
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I think the difference between Joplin and BW Johnson and FL Sims is
pretty simple. Johnson and Sims were much better singers. Singing is
story telling. Story telling is build up, tension, and release.
Johnson and Sims could do that. Joplin had a striking raw quality but
either didn't know how or chose not to modulate it to serve her
material. Tina Turner had the same feral quality in her pre-crossover
days but her approach was much more subtle than Joplin's was.
pretty simple. Johnson and Sims were much better singers. Singing is
story telling. Story telling is build up, tension, and release.
Johnson and Sims could do that. Joplin had a striking raw quality but
either didn't know how or chose not to modulate it to serve her
material. Tina Turner had the same feral quality in her pre-crossover
days but her approach was much more subtle than Joplin's was.
On 3/7/2012 6:39 PM, chuck 249 wrote:
> Oh, I don't know....what about Blind Willie Johnson or Frankie Lee
> Sims? Ok, neither gathered nearly the acclaim, but they sported rough
> vocal qualities. Johnny Winter, if we are looking for a contemporary
> (and almost a neighbor) of hers, could never be accused of having a
> velvet throat.
> What they did share was a passion, the kind that could and did snatch
> up many a listener by the ear, and turn them into lifelong fans.
>
> She was not perfect, but she sure was good.
> chuck, in dallas
>
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 14:43, "P.W. Fenton"<pwfe...@radiofreeradio.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 15:01, Blue...@aol.com wrote:
>> But for me Ms. Joplin is the musical equivalent of fingernails on a blackboard... a harsh screechy voice, forever searching for, but just a hair north or south of the pitch she thinks she is singing. Another similar singer, and there are millions of them in every lounge across the country, wouldn't warrant such attention. It's just that this one has enjoyed so much acclaim.
> ========================================
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> Oh, I don't know....what about Blind Willie Johnson or Frankie Lee
> Sims? Ok, neither gathered nearly the acclaim, but they sported rough
> vocal qualities. Johnny Winter, if we are looking for a contemporary
> (and almost a neighbor) of hers, could never be accused of having a
> velvet throat.
> What they did share was a passion, the kind that could and did snatch
> up many a listener by the ear, and turn them into lifelong fans.
>
> She was not perfect, but she sure was good.
> chuck, in dallas
>
> On Mar 7, 2012, at 14:43, "P.W. Fenton"<pwfe...@radiofreeradio.org> wrote:
>
>> On Mar 7, 2012, at 15:01, Blue...@aol.com wrote:
>> But for me Ms. Joplin is the musical equivalent of fingernails on a blackboard... a harsh screechy voice, forever searching for, but just a hair north or south of the pitch she thinks she is singing. Another similar singer, and there are millions of them in every lounge across the country, wouldn't warrant such attention. It's just that this one has enjoyed so much acclaim.
> ========================================
bluesfantom
Mar 7, 2012, 11:31:48 PM3/7/12
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Haven't seen this thread in a while now. My two cents, having seen her
once, right in her fame wheelhouse, about all I really remember is that I
thought she was kinda ugly. And a screamer (to be fair, at that time my
testosterone was all enveloped with Merrilee Rush, who was/is awesomely
gorgeous). Back then, in my circles, nobody was regarded as a
bluesman/woman, unless you were Son House, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf,
Memphis Minnie, etc. Everyone else was a rocker. Janis Joplin was rock,
just like Jimi Hendrix was rock. Canned Heat was a boogie rock band. That
simple. Maybe my circles back then were simple, but we were up on all the
rock stars of the time.
Now, someone like Tom Jones, you know he had Janis on his show, I know
there's a YouTube of it, remarked that he wasn't prepared for all that
screaming. That's exactly how I remember her. On a personal level, Mr.
Fritz is quite right, listen to Erma Franklin do Piece of My Heart, or
Howard Tate do Get it While You Can, or even Garnett Mimms' Cry Baby. These
artists squeezed the ever lovin' soul out of those songs. To me, Janis just
screamed. But then, if that's what rocks your boat, cool. Me, she really
does harsh my mellow.
Hello to all,
tom
once, right in her fame wheelhouse, about all I really remember is that I
thought she was kinda ugly. And a screamer (to be fair, at that time my
testosterone was all enveloped with Merrilee Rush, who was/is awesomely
gorgeous). Back then, in my circles, nobody was regarded as a
bluesman/woman, unless you were Son House, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf,
Memphis Minnie, etc. Everyone else was a rocker. Janis Joplin was rock,
just like Jimi Hendrix was rock. Canned Heat was a boogie rock band. That
simple. Maybe my circles back then were simple, but we were up on all the
rock stars of the time.
Now, someone like Tom Jones, you know he had Janis on his show, I know
there's a YouTube of it, remarked that he wasn't prepared for all that
screaming. That's exactly how I remember her. On a personal level, Mr.
Fritz is quite right, listen to Erma Franklin do Piece of My Heart, or
Howard Tate do Get it While You Can, or even Garnett Mimms' Cry Baby. These
artists squeezed the ever lovin' soul out of those songs. To me, Janis just
screamed. But then, if that's what rocks your boat, cool. Me, she really
does harsh my mellow.
Hello to all,
tom
chuck 249
Mar 7, 2012, 11:49:25 PM3/7/12
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Blue...@aol.com
Mar 8, 2012, 3:08:57 AM3/8/12
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janis had a beautiful soul and her voice just made me feel raw beautiful
powerful soulful passion and emotion and whether she sang in perfect pitch
didn't mean shit, she was the real deal, like etta, aretha, tina, susan
tedeschi, grace potter, adele, corrine bailey rae, ruthie foster, mahalia, and
all the true greats, just saw joe louis walker tonight, they are all
powerhouse soulful real deal mutherfukers with too much soul for this world
In a message dated 3/7/2012 5:19:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
powerful soulful passion and emotion and whether she sang in perfect pitch
didn't mean shit, she was the real deal, like etta, aretha, tina, susan
tedeschi, grace potter, adele, corrine bailey rae, ruthie foster, mahalia, and
all the true greats, just saw joe louis walker tonight, they are all
powerhouse soulful real deal mutherfukers with too much soul for this world
In a message dated 3/7/2012 5:19:07 P.M. Pacific Standard Time,
yupd...@MSN.COM writes:
Billy Holliday died from her heroin habit also,Etta also had habits that
took her before her time.
One wonders if they had gone on, would they have evolved, into something
different ,had they not had the habits,unfortunately if the drug, had been
cleansed from they're poison
Billy Holliday died from her heroin habit also,Etta also had habits that
took her before her time.
One wonders if they had gone on, would they have evolved, into something
different ,had they not had the habits,unfortunately if the drug, had been
cleansed from they're poison
Yup say...Ya dont need to own no shoes to dance da Blues.
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From: P.W. Fenton
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To: BLU...@LISTSERV.NETHELPS.COM
Subject: Re: Janis Joplin: Rock and Roll Screech Owl
> as they say opinions are like buttholes and everybody has one and some
use
> em in different ways, but explaining soul to someone who doesn't fully
> understand it is nearly impossible, janis was one of the most soulful
> performers who ever existed
If she represents what "soul" is, then yes... you (whoever Blues9981 is)
are correct. I don't understand. And.. if seeing her live is the key, then
that key is lost, since all we have are the recordings.
Sarah Vaughan is soul... Ella Fitzgerald is soul... Ruth Brown is soul...
Rosetta Tharpe is soul... Etta James is soul...
use
> em in different ways, but explaining soul to someone who doesn't fully
> understand it is nearly impossible, janis was one of the most soulful
> performers who ever existed
If she represents what "soul" is, then yes... you (whoever Blues9981 is)
are correct. I don't understand. And.. if seeing her live is the key, then
that key is lost, since all we have are the recordings.
Sarah Vaughan is soul... Ella Fitzgerald is soul... Ruth Brown is soul...
Rosetta Tharpe is soul... Etta James is soul...
But for me Ms. Joplin is the musical equivalent of fingernails on a
blackboard... a harsh screechy voice, forever searching for, but just a hair
north or south of the pitch she thinks she is singing. Another similar singer,
and there are millions of them in every lounge across the country,
wouldn't warrant such attention. It's just that this one has enjoyed so much
acclaim.
blackboard... a harsh screechy voice, forever searching for, but just a hair
north or south of the pitch she thinks she is singing. Another similar singer,
and there are millions of them in every lounge across the country,
wouldn't warrant such attention. It's just that this one has enjoyed so much
acclaim.
MARK SCHOSSOW
Mar 8, 2012, 7:02:53 PM3/8/12
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Because I have to defend Janice one more time.She is what she was
It seems that some are flopin like a twelve lb. Large mouth bass
Sincerely,
YupDuluth
Yup say...Ya dont need to own no shoes to dance da Blues.
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It seems that some are flopin like a twelve lb. Large mouth bass
Sincerely,
YupDuluth
Yup say...Ya dont need to own no shoes to dance da Blues.
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Sent: 8 Mar 2012 04:32:46 GMT
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.NETHELPS.COM
Subject: Re: Janis Joplin: Rock and Roll Screech Owl
Sent: 8 Mar 2012 04:32:46 GMT
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.NETHELPS.COM
Subject: Re: Janis Joplin: Rock and Roll Screech Owl
Haven't seen this thread in a while now. My two cents, having seen her
once, right in her fame wheelhouse, about all I really remember is that I
thought she was kinda ugly. And a screamer (to be fair, at that time my
testosterone was all enveloped with Merrilee Rush, who was/is awesomely
gorgeous). Back then, in my circles, nobody was regarded as a
bluesman/woman, unless you were Son House, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf,
Memphis Minnie, etc. Everyone else was a rocker. Janis Joplin was rock,
just like Jimi Hendrix was rock. Canned Heat was a boogie rock band. That
simple. Maybe my circles back then were simple, but we were up on all the
rock stars of the time.
Now, someone like Tom Jones, you know he had Janis on his show, I know
there's a YouTube of it, remarked that he wasn't prepared for all that
screaming. That's exactly how I remember her. On a personal level, Mr.
Fritz is quite right, listen to Erma Franklin do Piece of My Heart, or
Howard Tate do Get it While You Can, or even Garnett Mimms' Cry Baby. These
artists squeezed the ever lovin' soul out of those songs. To me, Janis just
screamed. But then, if that's what rocks your boat, cool. Me, she really
does harsh my mellow.
Hello to all,
tom
once, right in her fame wheelhouse, about all I really remember is that I
thought she was kinda ugly. And a screamer (to be fair, at that time my
testosterone was all enveloped with Merrilee Rush, who was/is awesomely
gorgeous). Back then, in my circles, nobody was regarded as a
bluesman/woman, unless you were Son House, Muddy Waters, Howlin' Wolf,
Memphis Minnie, etc. Everyone else was a rocker. Janis Joplin was rock,
just like Jimi Hendrix was rock. Canned Heat was a boogie rock band. That
simple. Maybe my circles back then were simple, but we were up on all the
rock stars of the time.
Now, someone like Tom Jones, you know he had Janis on his show, I know
there's a YouTube of it, remarked that he wasn't prepared for all that
screaming. That's exactly how I remember her. On a personal level, Mr.
Fritz is quite right, listen to Erma Franklin do Piece of My Heart, or
Howard Tate do Get it While You Can, or even Garnett Mimms' Cry Baby. These
artists squeezed the ever lovin' soul out of those songs. To me, Janis just
screamed. But then, if that's what rocks your boat, cool. Me, she really
does harsh my mellow.
Hello to all,
tom
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