The last pre-war artist?
Jonny Meister
blues before we entered World War 2...? That's an amazing milestone to
pass... the origins of blues are receding into history.
-Jonny
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tom
Jonny Meister
were in 1942. I believe Lockwood was the last living artist to record
"pre-war" blues..... -Jonny
At 06:28 PM 11/26/2006 -0800, you wrote:
>Honey Boy Edwards.
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>tom
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bluesfantom
recording in '41, but '42 it was. My bad.
Jim Wells
someting here. There were many more as well.
Rgds...Jim
Jonny Meister
surviving artist who had recorded pre-war at the time of his death last
Tuesday.
-Jonny
At 09:33 PM 11/26/2006 -0600, you wrote:
>Tampa Red was working back then...Billy Holiday too. Or I am missing
>someting here. There were many more as well.
>
>Rgds...Jim
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Jim Wells
Jordan aound then? Also I'd include Louis Armstrong, but that's just me.
Terry Groff
I think you're missing the gist of this post.
Who is still alive that recorded before the war? Jonny is
suggesting that Lockwood may be one of the last. Who is left?
Terry
Gregory Johnson
Greg
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blues before we entered World War 2...? That's an amazing milestone to
pass... the origins of blues are receding into history.
-Jonny
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Scott
Homesick may claim to have recorded in 1937, but if that's true, no copy
of any record has been found and no record of it exists in any of the
standard discographies.
Honeyboy may sneak in on a technicality since his recordings are listed in
Blues & Gospel Records 1890-1943, which is generally accepted as the "pre-
war discography", but none of those 1942 recordings for the LOC were
commercially released until many years later. His first commercial
release came in the 1950s.
I think an argument could also be made that Lockwood wasn't really a
significant pre-war blues artist either. His one pre-war session in 1941
couldn't made much of an impact at the time, otherwise it wouldn't have
been 10 years before his next session.
IMHO, the last surviving pre-war artist of any major significance was
Henry Townsend, who passed away a few months ago.
I'd guess that if there was anyone left from the pre-war blues recording
era, it must be someone who played a minor or supporting role on someone
else's recordings, and who hasn't been involved in music in many years.
Scott
c. n.
>Was Robert Lockwood the last living artist of any significance to record
>blues before we entered World War 2...? That's an amazing milestone to
>pass... the origins of blues are receding into history.
>
>-Jonny
Maybe the faces are, but (sadly) many of the underlying causes are still
here among us. We'll not list the known ones, for fear that a large tract of
the new breed of gentrified blues musicians and fans don't become offended,
or made uneasy. What say Lovie, lets all meet on the lido deck for
crumpets and shuffles. . .
Relax. I'm just kidding. I can't stand crumpets. Besides, it looks like
history is stepping in and helping out....with new bench marks/wars. They
say the times, the times they are a'changing. (ok, if you don't count the
last decade of millionaire senators blocking a federal minimum wage increase
for the poorest workers among us, or what happened to Harold Ford during his
recent campaign).
chuck
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that mean? I memorized and copied every Lockwood lick ever recorded. He sure
was significant in my life. I have yet to read a "significant" blues
analysis.
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Joel Fritz
Lockwood was a significant post-war artist. His pre-war work wasn't
well known.
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Gregory Johnson
because the reference did not lead to much examples (actually none) of
recorded material which was the topic. He did not really become truly
involved with recording until 1950 and beyond. The same was true of Pinetop.
He was certainly around, but didn't really record until 1950, well after the
Pre-War period.
Greg
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>I always laugh when I read about "significant" artists. What the hell does
>that mean? I memorized and copied every Lockwood lick ever recorded. He
>sure was significant in my life. I have yet to read a "significant" blues
>analysis.
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Scott
any changes or impact on the music of the day, or any stylistic departure
from what had come before it. It was about as important in its time as a
first CD release by a typical local blues bar band is today.
Examples of significant pre-war blues artists would be Tampa Red, Roosevelt
Sykes, Sonny Boy Williamson, Charlie Patton, Memphis Minnie, et al. These
people were successful and influential on the music of the day, and their
records had an expanding ripple effect on the blues music of the day, and
on the music that followed it. They "signified" specific stylistic and
historical markers in pre-war blues - that's why they were "significant".
That can't be said of Lockwood's pre-war session.
None of this is meant to take anything away from Lockwood's importance on
blues in the post-war era. I'm a huge fan, own almost everything he ever
recorded, paid good money to see him many times, interviewed him, etc. He
was unquestionably an important contributor to the history and development
of post-war blues. He was not a particularly important pre-war blues
artist, no matter how you slice it.
Scott
On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:01:46 -0800, Joel Fritz <willie...@comcast.net>
wrote:
>I think significant in the sense of popularity and influence. Robert
>Lockwood was a significant post-war artist. His pre-war work wasn't
>well known.
>
>No Name Available wrote:
>> I always laugh when I read about "significant" artists. What the hell
>> does that mean? I memorized and copied every Lockwood lick ever
>> recorded. He sure was significant in my life. I have yet to read a
>> "significant" blues analysis.
>>
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Steve Hoffman
a "significant pre-war artist" or not (and I basically agree with the
posts of Scott and Joel on this subject) . . . but here's one other angle:
The one really significant thing Robert Lockwood did early on was that
he and Sonny Boy Williamson II began broadcasting "King Biscuit Time" on
KFFA, Helena, Arkansas starting on November 21, 1941. That show was a
significant and influential part of blues history -- thousands listened
to it throughout the Delta (on both the Arkansas and Mississippi sides
of the Mississippi River), including many future blues stars. So
Lockwood's role in blues history as a significant and influential
contributor begins, in my view, on that date .... which was just a few
weeks before Pearl Harbor and before the U.S. entered the war.
Whether that makes him "pre-war" or not is a matter of semantics.
Besides, it never is clear (at least not to me) what category the years
1941-45 fit -- i.e., the years during which the US was in WWII -- blues
history of those years isn't "pre-war" OR "post-war," it's
"DURING-war"! (Or "post-pre-war but pre-post-war"!)
-Steve Hoffman