Louisiana Guitar Red Passes Away (funeral information included)
ChicagoB...@aol.com
I will be writing an obituary for Louisiana Guitar Red for Living Blues.
The funeral is scheduled for this Thursday, December 13. Blues and soul
singer Jackie Jackson, will be singing a Gospel number, and I will then
follow with a solo instrumental blues in tribute to my buddy, Cordell. I
hope as many Los Angeles folks as possible can make it.
Here is funeral information:
December 13, 2001
3:00 PM
3801 W. Manchester Blvd.
Inglewood, CA
--cb91
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In a message dated 12/8/1 2:23:52 AM, to...@tonyburke.net writes:
<< Sad news. This the guy artists also known as Cordell Boyette??
I have some some nice 45's by him from a few years back.
If you get anymore information please let us have it for an obit in B&R.
Tony Burke
ChicagoB...@aol.com wrote:
> Dear Friends and Blues Lovers,
>
> My good friend and musical companion, Louisiana "Guitar" Red passed away
this
> morning. He was 73 years old. I will have more information in the near
> future.
>
> CB91 >>
Blue Stew
end(noisless) patch cords(Monster Cable quality etc.)but only 2,3 or 4 feet
long. Also quality mic preamp/comp/limiters under a grand. I hear
Earthworks are good, but any advice or pro audio sites you can direct me to,
I'd be much obliged. Mike Miller
chuck n.
>Reply-To: Blue Stew <ma...@BLUESTEW.COM>
>To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
>Subject: GEAR: Recording advice needed
>Date: Mon, 10 Dec 2001 23:21:24 -0800
First off, recycle....buy used. eBay, at this moment in time, is a BUYERS
market.
As far as rec's, try going to deja.com and entering in BEST and then the
item you want OPs on--then read on. That's always my first
course of action (the best results usually
being those from rec.audio.pro).
Even easier.... Fly (Southwest/cheap) to Austin, go to FORT HORTON STUDIOS
(where they've done the NICK CURRAN and the last JOHNNY MOELLER records, and
record there.
He's very reasonable, andI know plenty of sidemen down that way.
chuck
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Chris Burger
Just a footnote regarding additional biographical
details on California's "Louisiana 'Guitar' Red
-a.k.a. Cardell (or is it Cordell?) Boyette, who is
being laid to rest this coming Thursday, December 13
(see below). Plus two links that have been forwarded
to me
http://www.a1artists.net/artists/lgred/
&
http://theyellowrose.com/dvd/dvd060.html
(I have posted the contents below in case the links
don't work for you.)
Anyway, it seems that BLUES-L contributor Mr. Tony
Burke (editor of the terrific BLUES& RHYTHM magazine
out of the UK) also penned the notes to the
now-hard-to-find LA BLUES ANTHOLOGY: HARD TIMES on
Black Magic Records some ten years ago. In it, he
notes that Boyette started playing piano as a boy in
church. Among other facts I left out (which came from
Red's own promo): Burke writes that he played with
J.D. Nicholson, and "support(ed) T-Bone Walker and
Johnny 'Guitar' Watson." Burke also notes two discs
that I did not mention in my write-up: "He has had two
recent 45's on J.J. 'Bad Boy' Jones' Delphine
label...." Incidentally, to my knowledge, this Mr.
Jones is still active and had a CD out not long ago.
First Link:
"No, it's not that Louisiana Red, he of Roulette
Records and the seemingly endless European tour. This
is a different Louisiana Red, a strong singer and
guitarist, born Cordell Boyette in Monroe, Louisiana.
Boyette began playing piano in church at age 8, gigged
around New Orleans since age 24, and moved to Los
Angeles in 1962, where he was influenced by the great
Lowell Fulson, and worked with Fulson as well as: Tina
Turner, Pee Wee Crayton, Percy Mayfield, T-Bone
Walker, Johnny Guitar Watson, and Big Joe Turner.
In 1968 Red cut "Down Below Texas Blues" and "Bottom
Side Up" with the legendary George "Harmonica" Smith.
Red formed his own band in 1973 (The 747 Express) and
worked clubs and parties in the area. He still is a
regular on the Southern California club, concert and
party scene.
His original work, "You Crazy Baby" and "Dog in Me"
are featured in his 1994 CD "Nobody Knows" from Uptown
Video Records of Fresno, CA.
Red's credits include: the Vredenburg Blues Estafetta
(Netherlanda), the Heritage Festival (Oakland),
African Market Festival, Fresno Blues Festival and
clubs from coast to coast.
Red (on left) w/ Gashouse Dave
We booked Red with Gashouse Dave at the Fais Do-Do
club in 1995, opening for Becky Barksdale, and the
show was a huge success, with Dave ripping off a
sizzling opening set, then bringing Red up for the
second set. The standing room only crowd, mostly
Becky's fans from Hollywood and the Westside, knew
they were seeing a couple of originals (esp. when Red
began to sing), the real deal blues, and they wouldn't
let them off stage till Red walked through the crowd
to the back of the room, up the stairs to the balcony
(yes, the same path that the Denzel Washington
character follows looking for the "Devil In the Blue
Dress", in the film), ripped off a sizzling, animated
solo, returned to the stage and finished up "Dog In
Me" (Bow Wow Wow Wow) to cheers from the tabletops.
Great show.
Pick up Reds1995 release "Nobody Knows" (Uptown Video
Records MJB 409). "
Link Two (I guess it IS true!)
"Hot Buttered Blues
Misty Rain, Alyssa Allure, Devin, Sunny, Laura Palmer,
Julian, Steve Hatcher, Ian Daniels, Rick Masters, Dave
Hardman, Ron Jeremy, Louisiana Guitar Red, Fabulous
Ray and the Blues Bastards, The Blues Runners
Take a 'trip' back to the late sixties. Peace, Love
and Happiness... All the young dudes were groovin' to
a new kind of blues. Every kid in town wanted to be a
musician, and who better to teach them than the
legendary blues master, Blind Moonbelly? Enter the
gorgeous Misty Rain, who plays a sultry 'flower child'
who just can't wait to practice her 'licks'. Things
soon get a little too far out in this raunchy comedy
by award winning director Jace Rocker. So, get ready
for some smokin' sex, a barrel of laughs, and some
"Hot Buttered Blues"... Digitally Re-Mastered, Chapter
Index, DVD-ROM Compatible, All Regions....Don't miss
this one...."
--- #########################################
>
> The funeral is scheduled for this Thursday, December
> 13. Blues and soul
> singer Jackie Jackson, will be singing a Gospel
> number, and I will then
> follow with a solo instrumental blues in tribute to
> my buddy, Cordell. I
> hope as many Los Angeles folks as possible can make
> it.
>
> Here is funeral information:
>
> December 13, 2001
> 3:00 PM
> 3801 W. Manchester Blvd.
> Inglewood, CA
>
> ***************************
FINI
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Oscar Jordan
Shorty? Blues guitarist, or overblown rock guitarist?
My band opened for him a few years ago. I'm going to
check him out again this Friday.
Oscar
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/144/oscar_jordan.html
Chris Burger
> Just curious. What do you guys think of Guitar
> Shorty? Blues guitarist, or overblown rock
> guitarist?
>
> My band opened for him a few years ago. I'm going
> to
> check him out again this Friday.
> Oscar
>
http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/144/oscar_jordan.html
I hate to say it, but Guitar Shorty,in the last ten
years, anyway, in live shows and in most recordings,is
an "overblown rock guitarist." Please DO bring along
ear plugs if you value your hearing.
However, he does have terrific blues roots going back
to his Cobra Records days, and I'll bet he can still
pull off some real deal stuff given the right
production -and persuasion. Perhaps someone else out
there is fonder of his recent work, but I just finally
got around to selling off a copy of one of his Black
Top CDs just two weeks ago that I didn't even want to
see on the shelf anymore. Perhaps his new one is an
improvement. But I'm not hopeful.
-Chris Burger
Boston
ChicagoB...@aol.com
you'll love him Oscar.
--cb
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P.W. Fenton
>Just curious. What do you guys think of Guitar
>Shorty? Blues guitarist, or overblown rock guitarist?
>
>My band opened for him a few years ago. I'm going to
>check him out again this Friday.
I think he is an incredibly fresh and exciting Blues guitarist. No way would I call him Rock... but he sure ain't average.
P.W. Fenton
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pwfe...@p-dub.com writes:
> I think he is an incredibly fresh and exciting Blues guitarist. No way
> would I call him Rock... but he sure ain't average.
Guitar Shorty is an extremely entertaining musician -- somersaults,
cartwheels and all. The hell with tradition. This guy's just a heluva good
time!
Chris Burger
Shorty)...is ...an incredibly fresh and exciting Blues
> guitarist. No way would I call him Rock... but he
> sure ain't average."
Of course, we're entering the land of subjectivity,
but c'mon, P.W., one can't say with a straight face
that David Kearney, better known as "Guitar Shorty"
(the famous one, not to be confused with the Piedmont
bluesman)betrays NO rock influence in his playing
these days. His tone, volume, arrangements, etc. could
hardly be called pure blues - not in the Delta,
Houston, Detroit, the southside of Chicago...or
California for that matter. (No matter what is being
passed off as "blues" today...)
And I'm not just talking about his "Hey Joe" cover of
god-son Jimi Hendrix.
If nothing else, he does have blues pipes -and an
impressive career blues resume.
-C.Burger
Boston
Debbie Lubin
>>> <UnoB...@aol.com> 12/11/01 01:26PM >>>
In a message dated 12/11/2001 3:16:12 PM Central Standard Time,
pwfe...@p-dub.com writes:
> I think he is an incredibly fresh and exciting Blues guitarist. No way
> would I call him Rock... but he sure ain't average.
Guitar Shorty is an extremely entertaining musician -- somersaults,
ChicagoB...@aol.com
writes:
<< When I go to hear blues, I want to hear blues--I am not much interested in
the circus act. The first time I saw Guitar Shorty, it was an interesting
novelty. I've seen him three times now, and that is enough! >>
Once I saw Guitar Shorty and it was so loud I didn't even go inside the club.
I watched thru a window. I was there for 25 minutes and only saw him do the
longest version of "Hey Joe" of all time. He was inventive, but I was bored
and left.
Ralph King
I can't believe how wrong and rude you are !
Guitar shorty might rock out a bit but to call him a
circus act ! that's hitting below the belt !
Ralph King
--- Debbie Lubin <Deb...@WEBMAIL.LEIGHFISHER.COM>
wrote:
P.W. Fenton
>> guitarist. No way would I call him Rock... but he
>> sure ain't average."
>
>but c'mon, P.W., one can't say with a straight face
>that David Kearney, better known as "Guitar Shorty"
>(the famous one, not to be confused with the Piedmont
>bluesman)betrays NO rock influence in his playing
>these days. His tone, volume, arrangements, etc. could
>hardly be called pure blues - not in the Delta,
>Houston, Detroit, the southside of Chicago...or
>California for that matter. (No matter what is being
>passed off as "blues" today...)
Shorty has been playing the Blues too long. If you hear Rock, then maybe Rock was influenced by Shorty (as Hendrix was). Shorty excites me in just the same way that Fred McDowell does. When I hear either of them I am hearing THEM... not a tired, road weary repetition of some standard presentation. If Shorty lived here (as he once did) I would go see him several times a week. I was recently given two CDs to review... Shorty's "I Go Wild!" and Mel Brown's "Homewrecking Done Live". I played Mel's first and liked it. I played Shorty's, and then I played it again, and then I played it again. I liked Shorty's so much, I set Mel's aside so I could review it a week later to avoid comparing the two (and I really like Mel's ).
I have been hoping for a young artist who will help to bring the Blues to today's record buyers. I've been convinced that the Blues can speak to today's young people if it would only learn to speak a few words in their language. I never expected a guy as old as Shorty to be the one to go there.
When I hear Gary Moore I hear Rock. When I hear Guitar Shorty I hear Blues vitality.
>And I'm not just talking about his "Hey Joe" cover of
>god-son Jimi Hendrix.
Which made me appreciate it as a Blues tune.
>If nothing else, he does have blues pipes -and an
>impressive career blues resume.
I guess we just disagree. Ain't that what it's all about?
Ralph King
since you thought he was a Circus / Novelty Act ,
Were you at least entertained by him ?
Did he have any circus animals on stage ??
Should he have put on a Clown wig and baggy suite ?
Ralph king
Oscar Jordan
Kings in LA. After our set I hung out and watched his
set.
If "Real Blues" is standing in front of a mike with a
guitar, stock still without breaking the fouth wall,
you can have it.
Guitar Shorty had a wireless system running into two
Twin Reverbs. He started playing and jumped off the
stage (The stage is about five 1/2 feet high!) into
the audience and blew everyone's mind. Real burning
guitar with just a tad of Jimi in there to keep it
interesting.
Jeri Curl juice flying everywhere! Great tunes, great
band, great showmanship, and fire breathing Blues
guitar. To my mind his stagemanship isn't so
different than what Albert Collins and T-Bone use to
do. It's SHOW-buisness.
It's not all just about fireworks either. He does
some mellow ballads as well.
I look forward to seeing him again.
Oscar
DJ
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L.A. Jones
>BUSHS' BROTHER PRESCOTT WAS PAID $200,000 FOR FINANCIAL ADVICE FROM
>A JAPANESE
>REALTOR AND FORMER JAPANESE CRIME BOSS. HIS SON NEIL, DIRECTOR OF FAILED
>SILVERADO SAVINGS. HE DELAYED CLOSING UNTIL AFTER BUSH ELECTION.
>THIS FAILURE COST PUBLIC $1 BILLION. JEB BUSH IDENTIFIED A SLIMEY BUSH
>snip
THIS does not belong on this list IMHO. Try politics-l
L.A. Jones
>http://www.ccsi.com/~comcause/news/bushsr.html
ditto to this one! This is a list to discuss BLUES MUSIC NOT things that
"give you the blues"
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music. Problem is that the music doesn't exist in a vacuum...
DJ
Debbie Lubin
>>> Ralph King <ralphk...@YAHOO.COM> 12/11/01 02:27PM >>>
Debbie you saw him three times Wow !!!
since you thought he was a Circus / Novelty Act ,
Were you at least entertained by him ?
Did he have any circus animals on stage ??
Should he have put on a Clown wig and baggy suite ?
Ralph king
--- Ralph King <ralphk...@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> circus act? novelty ?
>
> I can't believe how wrong and rude you are !
>
> Guitar shorty might rock out a bit but to call him a
> circus act ! that's hitting below the belt !
>
> Ralph King
>
>
> --- Debbie Lubin <Deb...@WEBMAIL.LEIGHFISHER.COM>
> wrote:
> > When I go to hear blues, I want to hear blues--I
> am
> > not much interested in the circus act. The first
> > time I saw Guitar Shorty, it was an interesting
> > novelty. I've seen him three times now, and that
> is
> > enough!
> >
> > >>> <UnoB...@aol.com> 12/11/01 01:26PM >>>
> > In a message dated 12/11/2001 3:16:12 PM Central
> > Standard Time,
> > pwfe...@p-dub.com writes:
> >
> >
> > > I think he is an incredibly fresh and exciting
> > Blues guitarist. No way
> > > would I call him Rock... but he sure ain't
> > average.
> >
> > Guitar Shorty is an extremely entertaining
> musician
> > -- somersaults,
> > cartwheels and all. The hell with tradition.
> This
> > guy's just a heluva good
> > time!
> >
> > Chuck
> > www.pipphotography.com
>
>
Lil Bug
I did not find his style, or at least that performance, interesting
musically, altruistically, historically importantly, or would I be inclined
to hear him again.
WIth that said, is one performance enough to judge anyone?
I saw Honeyboy Edwards at the same blues festival (maybe different years),
and it was, in my perception, a pathetic performance. He was obviously very
stoned, and stumbled through "Goin Back to Chicago" 5-6 times. The crowd
cheered him on.
I wasn't impressed.
With that said, the second time I saw Honeyboy Edwards in a Music Club with
only about 20 people in attendance, his performance was near rapture as a
musical experience. His playing transcended anything I'd ever heard from an
original-era bluesman.
His singing was plaintive, moaning, sweet and beautiful all at the same
time.
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L.A. Jones
>Then why was I asked to prove what I intially stated? I'd rather talk about
>music. Problem is that the music doesn't exist in a vacuum...
You don't need to "prove" political views on a list about "BLUES MUSIC".
Blue Stew
and it's 'bout 2 min. 20 sec. long. Mike M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Blues Music List [mailto:BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU]On Behalf Of
Barry Pickell
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:50 PM
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
Subject: Re: Guitar Shorty
Hey I thought I saw him do the longest version of "Hey Joe" of all time.
Then he went into another Hendrix type thing so I walked. The next time I
saw him. He only did a fifteen minute "Hey Joe" and I stuck it out. I was
then treated to a long soulful slow blues and audience walk that was right
up there with some of my top blues experiences ever.
Blue Stew
Mike M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Blues Music List [mailto:BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU]On Behalf Of
L.A. Jones
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:20 PM
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
DJ
DJ
Blue Stew
has their SHORT comings, don't cut him SHORT, er um... well, to make a long
story SHORT, maybe if he SHORTened his version of "Hey Joe", his audience
wouldn't have such a SHORT attention span. From my perspective anyway,
that's the long and SHORT of it. I wonder if he wears boxer SHORTS or
breifs? Mike M.
PS, I also think he should SHORTen his name a bit.
-----Original Message-----
From: Blues Music List [mailto:BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU]On Behalf Of
Debbie Lubin
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:11 PM
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
Blue Stew
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bluesfantom
liked him for years. He is entertaining. He knows the Hendrix family quite
well (once married to Jimi's sister) so I hold nothing against him wanting
to do Jimi's material. He probably knows it better than most. On the other
hand, the Central Ave R&B Band is a must see. Howard Deere's version of
Tone Joe White's Rainey Nights In Georgia raises the arm hair. And Terry
DeRouen on rhythm guitar is a show all by himself. These guys have been
around, backing just about a who's who on the westcoast. My two cents.
tom
Blue Stew
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are always bitching about wasting bandwidth, off topic, etc., you guys
are doing a bang up job here.
Can we let this be the last word on the subject? I somehow doubt it.....
KK
Ralph King
--- Debbie Lubin <Deb...@webmail.leighfisher.com>
wrote:
> > > In a message dated 12/11/2001 3:16:12 PM Central
> > > Standard Time,
> > > pwfe...@p-dub.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > > I think he is an incredibly fresh and exciting
> > > Blues guitarist. No way
> > > > would I call him Rock... but he sure ain't
> > > average.
> > >
> > > Guitar Shorty is an extremely entertaining
> > musician
> > > -- somersaults,
> > > cartwheels and all. The hell with tradition.
> > This
> > > guy's just a heluva good
> > > time!
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > > www.pipphotography.com
> >
> >
Terry Groff
first post. He doesn't have anything to say except political bullshit. He
doesn't truly add to the list so killfile him.
Terry
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> IMO, the Leaves have the all time best version of "Hey Joe"(John Beck)'66,
> and it's 'bout 2 min. 20 sec. long. Mike M.
I have that 45 somewhere. The flip side is a nice little ballad called
"Girl From The East".
Terry
DJ
out of the environment that I talk aboutand live in. Whether it has value is
determined by what side of the fence you're on and what political statement
you're trying to make.
DJ
Harry Mc Gonigal
> Then why was I asked to prove what I intially stated? I'd rather talk about
> music. Problem is that the music doesn't exist in a vacuum...
>
> DJ
Prove it with facts( still waiting to see the Congressional record like
you said) not bull from some unsubstantianted web site!! And if you
can't use NBC please lose the BS, later, Harry.
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Most of the Neal's are in town over the weekend, and Kenny, Tyree, Darnell and Noel are coming to my studio/house Sunday to hopefully finish work on Tyree's new CD. I'll find out the scoop on Kenny's website, or at least get a written itinerary and post it to the group Monday. Ya might check out the Blue Genie's website at www.btrblues.com to see what Kenny Neal updates are posted there.
NBC: DJ, Salty Dog, and all who continue these ridiculous threads........QUIT QUIT QUIT......if you are musicians...please spend more time practicing or something!! If ya got this much time to abuse this list, something else must be suffering. I enjoy the posts, be they on or off topic.......BUT post your views ONCE and move on
Blue Stew
-----Original Message-----
From: bluesfantom
"I don't know what to call Guitar Shorty (blues, rock, blues/rock?). I've
liked him for years. He is entertaining."snip>
RB
> Can we let this be the last word on the subject?
Yes, we could, provided that
(a) DJ preface things that have nothing to do with blues in the
appropriate manner. Hey, DJ -- that means you write NBC:_ before your
header... yes the _ means a space after the colon -- that is critical to
those who wish to filter out all NonBluesContent. Thank you! (BTW, for
what it's worth, I found the Bush thread interesting, but no, it really
shouldn't be taking up space here. At least utilize said filter
protocol.
(b) Everyone else stop taking up space by arguing about (a)
Roger
L.A. Jones
>You mean I don't say what you would like. The blues are alive and they grew
>out of the environment that I talk aboutand live in. Whether it has value is
>determined by what side of the fence you're on and what political statement
>you're trying to make.
ahhhhhhhh, shadaaapp!(filter firmly in place)
L.A. Jones
>At 07:39 PM 12/11/01 -0600, DJ wrote:
>ahhhhhhhh, shadaaapp!(filter firmly in place)
I gotta apologize to the list for that last post. Too much Bigs Bunny as a
kid. Th th th th th th that's all folks!
Chris Burger
references to jheri curl juice, kart wheels and clown
wigs) is surely winding down, but I wanted to add as a
follow-up to P.W. Fenton that I'm aware of the
apparent influence of Shorty on Jimi Hendrix.
However, it strikes me as more likely these days that
Shorty's performance of the once-enjoyable "Hey Joe"
seems more influenced by Jimi than himself. (Sort of
brings to mind the way Hendrix influenced Buddy Guy
-for the worse, methinks-, even though a young Jimi
was a Buddy fan himself. Nevermind Guy's curious
"tribute" to Clapton, Hendrix, etc. in the last
decade's live show).
While I agree with you that Gary Moore spells rock
(even when he thinks he's doing blues), to my ears
anyway, Guitar Shorty seems to have become more akin
to "Blues-Rock" or whatever one might call it. Nothing
against it (I still can catch myself enjoying SRV or
Hendrix from time to time). Different strokes, etc.
But I do wonder whether blues has to become so debased
(that is, removed from its base, its foundation) in
the interest of appealing to young people, as Mr.
Fenton suggests. I still see hope that blues, even the
most basic-style stuff, can find a small, but devoted,
audience. With the troubling decline of blues bookings
in once-blues-friendly Boston (more the cause of
blues-hostile club owners who don't even like the
music but like the name "blues" in the title ?), I do
begin to wonder...
-Chris Burger
Boston
--- "P.W. Fenton" <pwfe...@p-dub.com> wrote:
>
>
> Shorty has been playing the Blues too long. If you
> hear Rock, then maybe Rock was influenced by Shorty
> (as Hendrix was). Shorty excites me in just the
> same way that Fred McDowell does. When I hear
> either of them I am hearing THEM... not a tired,
> road weary repetition of some standard presentation.
> If Shorty lived here (as he once did) I would go
> see him several times a week. I was recently given
> two CDs to review... Shorty's "I Go Wild!" and Mel
> Brown's "Homewrecking Done Live". I played Mel's
> first and liked it. I played Shorty's, and then I
> played it again, and then I played it again. I
> liked Shorty's so much, I set Mel's aside so I could
> review it a week later to avoid comparing the two
> (and I really like Mel's ).
>
> I have been hoping for a young artist who will help
> to bring the Blues to today's record buyers. I've
> been convinced that the Blues can speak to today's
> young people if it would only learn to speak a few
> words in their language. I never expected a guy as
> old as Shorty to be the one to go there.
>
> When I hear Gary Moore I hear Rock. When I hear
> Guitar Shorty I hear Blues vitality.
>
> >And I'm not just talking about his "Hey Joe" cover
> of
> >god-son Jimi Hendrix.
>
> Which made me appreciate it as a Blues tune.
>
>
> >If nothing else, he does have blues pipes -and an
> >impressive career blues resume.
>
> I guess we just disagree. Ain't that what it's all
> about?
>
>
> P.W. Fenton
> Tampa, FL
> http://p-dub.com
>
> Visit Lea Gilmore's "It's A Girl Thang"
> http://p-dub.com/thang/
> Question: What happened "On this day..." in Blues
> History?
> Answer: Go to http://p-dub.com/thisweek/
> Dick Waterman's Blues Photo T-Shirts
> http://p-dub.com/Jinx/
Joe Grandwilliams
----- Original Message -----
From: Blue Stew
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 8:32 PM
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
IMO, the Leaves have the all time best version of "Hey Joe"(John Beck)'66,
-----Original Message-----
From: Blues Music List [mailto:BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU]On Behalf Of
Barry Pickell
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 3:50 PM
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
Subject: Re: Guitar Shorty
Hey I thought I saw him do the longest version of "Hey Joe" of all time.
Then he went into another Hendrix type thing so I walked. The next time I
saw him. He only did a fifteen minute "Hey Joe" and I stuck it out. I was
then treated to a long soulful slow blues and audience walk that was right
up there with some of my top blues experiences ever.
Joe Grandwilliams
----- Original Message -----
From: Blue Stew
Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 10:46 PM
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
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-----Original Message-----
From: DJ
Then stop deleting, and start re-ading...pretty melodic
DJ
Blue Stew wrote:
> C'mon L.A., just ignore DJ....he's causing me to wear out my delete key!
> Mike M.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Blues Music List [mailto:BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU]On Behalf Of
> L.A. Jones
> Sent: Tuesday, December 11, 2001 4:20 PM
> To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
> Subject: Re: Bush Blues
>
> At 05:49 PM 12/11/01 -0600, DJ wrote:
> >Then why was I asked to prove what I intially stated? I'd rather talk
about
> >music. Problem is that the music doesn't exist in a vacuum...
>
> You don't need to "prove" political views on a list about "BLUES MUSIC".
>
Oscar Jordan
> But I do wonder whether blues has to become so
> debased
> (that is, removed from its base, its foundation) in
> the interest of appealing to young people, as Mr.
> Fenton suggests. I still see hope that blues, even
> the
> most basic-style stuff, can find a small, but
> devoted,
> audience.
I don't think what he's doing is such a major
departure from it's foundation. Artists need a little
breathing room. Your average Joe on the street
listening to him will tell you he's playing Blues.
It's simply not your sitting on the front porch in
Missippissi style blues.
Now if you wanna get persnickety that's a whole other
subjective thing. But I think the Blues genre is big
enough to include Robert Junior Lockwood and Guitar
Shorty.
Guitar Shorty isn't playing AC/DC's "Whole Lotta
Rosie." Neither is Gary Moore. I was listening to
Gary Moore's duet with BB King on "Since I Met You
Baby" which also appears on The BB King Boxed Set.
Gary is simply playing blues horn lines with a lot of
conviction. That's how he expresses himself within
the form. I don't hear it being debased in anyway.
Just an addition to the base.
Oscar
Joe Grandwilliams
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Jordan
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 2:21 PM
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
DJ
kid thread...nobody did. Maybe I get all the attention because I'm special,
or maybe it's because my life has been authentic blues and still is and
everything that's happening in my life is blues related. The blues for me
aren't some archaic past event or record, it's now and then....
DJ
IronMan Mike Curtis
> IMO, the Leaves have the all time best version of "Hey Joe"(John Beck)'66,
> and it's 'bout 2 min. 20 sec. long. Mike M.
Well, thanks <burp!> That's my old band (I played bass). We were
blown away when Hendrix covered it. Everyone else had covered it
with "our" (fast) arrangement. Hendrix did an expressive,
imaginative job, and came up with something truly fresh and new
(unlike the zillions of uninspired, insipid covers I've heard since
then.)
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It's called "show business". If you want reality, get a life :-)
(Sorry - nothing personal - couldn't resist - I thought it was quite
clever at the moment :-)
Most people come out to be entertained. A little flamboyance
generally helps. A few folks can just stand (or sit) and entertain.
For most, though, a little showmanship would do wonders.
Blue Stew
yourself)whose life has been "authentic blues", I mean that's why we're
here(to discuss BLUES)not to rant 'n rave about how Jeb & George W. and the
whole frikn'Bush family mis-handle other peoples money.
Get to the heart of it man, this is your soap box! What's your story? Tell
us the Gospell according to DJ.
Mike Miller
Blue Stew
original(maybe 'cause it was one of the 1st songs that I learned to play on
guit.) Mike M.
-----Original Message-----
From: IronMan Mike Curtis [mailto:iro...@ironmancurtis.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 9:55 PM
To: Blue Stew; BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
Subject: Re: Guitar Shorty
Blue Stew
-----Original Message-----
From: IronMan Mike Curtis
Joe Grandwilliams
----- Original Message -----
From: IronMan Mike Curtis
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 1:46 AM
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
Subject: Re: Guitar Shorty
It's called "show business". If you want reality, get a life :-)
(Sorry - nothing personal - couldn't resist - I thought it was quite
clever at the moment :-)
Most people come out to be entertained. A little flamboyance
generally helps. A few folks can just stand (or sit) and entertain.
For most, though, a little showmanship would do wonders.
Ralph King
There was a time long ago when musicians were called
entertainers !!
Anyone can play guitar and look down at their feet !
But Guitar Shorty is a true entertainer , who can play
his guitar with his feet ! ( And I have seen it ! )
Ralph King
--- IronMan Mike Curtis <iro...@ironmancurtis.com>
wrote:
Blue Stew
Blue Stew
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph King
<snip"Anyone can play guitar and look down at their feet !"
Blue Stew
-----Original Message-----
From: Joe Grandwilliams
"Kenny G. was a circus player."snip>
Joe Grandwilliams
----- Original Message -----
From: Blue Stew
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 5:27 AM
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
Subject: Re: Guitar Shorty
original(maybe 'cause it was one of the 1st songs that I learned to play on
-----Original Message-----
From: IronMan Mike Curtis [mailto:iro...@ironmancurtis.com]
Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2001 9:55 PM
To: Blue Stew; BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
Subject: Re: Guitar Shorty
On 11 Dec 2001, at 16:30, Blue Stew wrote:
> IMO, the Leaves have the all time best version of "Hey Joe"(John Beck)'66,
> and it's 'bout 2 min. 20 sec. long. Mike M.
Well, thanks <burp!> That's my old band (I played bass). We were
blown away when Hendrix covered it. Everyone else had covered it
with "our" (fast) arrangement. Hendrix did an expressive,
imaginative job, and came up with something truly fresh and new
(unlike the zillions of uninspired, insipid covers I've heard since
then.)
Ralph King
with the tip of his boot( that had a metal tip on it
!)
Every lick sounded great , he was a true entertainer !
Ralph King
Blue Stew
teeth. Candye Kane plays piano with her boobs. The Who smashed their
instruments on stage. Liberace came on stage in a Rolls Royce. Drummers
twirl sticks. Elton John use to stand on the piano in a duck costume.
These are all just tricks for visual entertainment and fun(it's been done
for ages)but it's NOT music.
I mean, I doubt that Guitar Shorty would record a blues record with his
feet...I'd love to hear it if he did. And I doubt that T-Bone Walker played
guitar behind his head when he recorded "Stormy Monday", I don't think Chuck
Berry did the "Duck Walk" while he recorded "Maybalene".
But I'll bet Michael Jackson grabs his nuts when he records...or anytime(but
that's another story).
This is where the line is drawn between the music and the carnival.
Everyone likes to be entertained and there is nothing wrong with it, but you
can not make good music while standing on your head, or lighting your guitar
on fire or farting into a saxophone.
There is the music, and there is the cartwheels and if you are blind, I
would imagine the music would sound better without the cartwheels...or,
maybe not. Mike M.
-----Original Message-----
From: Blues Music List [mailto:BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU]On Behalf Of
Ralph King
<snip"But Guitar Shorty is a true entertainer , who can play
Ralph King
I guess you haven't been out to see shorty ,
Because his tricks as you call them don't interfear
with his playing !!!
And how do you know hendrix didn't play with his teeth
when in the studio ?
And my god why even bring up Liberace and Elton John ?
Hey but what ever floats your boat .
Ralph
--- Blue Stew <ma...@bluestew.com> wrote:
Blue Stew
fairness, I withdraw my final decision until I listen to Mr. Nelson's
version. Now le'me see......where'd I put all them old Sandy Nelson
records? Hmmmmmmmm...I got Tracy Nelson, Nelson Riddle, Harry Nillson-"Me
and My Arrow" nope that's not it...the Nelson twins Mathew & Gunner, who put
that in here! Nelson Mandela"Cry Freedom" AHHHH here we go "Let There be
Drums" by Sandy Nelson and "TEENAGE HOUSE PARTY"!!!!!! Cooooooools-ville
Dady-O!! Wind up the Victrola, roll back the rug, put up the Limbo stick we
gonna have a shindig tonite! I'll be right back, Mike M.
UnoB...@aol.com
> > Everyone likes to be entertained and there is
> > nothing wrong with it, but you
> > can not make good music while standing on your head.
Maybe not standing on your head, but Guitar Shorty does somorsaults and
cartwheels in mid-solo and never misses a note. I've seen him do this dozens
of times. It's highly entertaining, and just because it is doesn't mean it's
a carnival.
People go see Guitar Shorty because he's FUN. The visual stuff during any
performance isn't about the music 100% of the time. It's about doing a SHOW,
and being ENTERTAINING. Shorty ALWAYS carries a good band with him, ALWAYS
dresses well, ALWAYS plays his heart out and ALWAYS entertains. People come
away from his shows remembering a lot more than just "that old guy who did
somersaults while playing guitar".
Guitar Shorty always puts out for his audience. I, for one, appreciate that a
lot -- especially when I see a whole lot of other bands get on stage and just
go through the motions. <yawn> They're good musicians, too. But they're not
nearly as much fun as Shorty is.
Blue Stew
a backwards summersault while playing...I was impressed. I think Jerry Lee
Lewis was a hell of a rock 'n roller and stage persona. I bring up Liberace
and Elton John because they were doing the same thing as
Shorty...entertaining with visual antics(nothing wrong with it).
Still my point is that the tricks and the playing are not connected, they
serve two different purposes, the visual and the audio. Mike
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph King [mailto:ralphk...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 3:07 AM
To: Blue Stew; BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
Subject: Re: Guitar Shorty
Blue Stew
It sounds very similar to Honky Tonk (Part 1).
Mike M.
I'm bored.....can't sleep clowns will eat me! can't sleep clowns will eat
me! can't sleep clowns will eat me! can't sleep clowns will eat me! can't
sleep clowns will eat me! can't sleep clowns will eat me! can't sleep clowns
will eat me! can't sleep clowns will eat me! can't........
bluesfantom
(Part One) was on side AAAAAAA, and side BBBBBBB had the other.
Now then. You people have been hold me down long enough from realizing my
dream of attending clown college! I'm soooooooooo..............!
tom
Blue Stew
the middle.
Hey, remember when side A was with the vocal, and side B would have the same
song only with the vocal track removed. It would say "TITLE"
(instrumental). I guess so the record label didn't have to waste time
recording another song. The first karaoke and nobody took advantage of it.
Mike
jascas
No doubt any performance needs both visual and audio stimulation, but to my experience, when it becomes a "circus", I'm wishing I wasn't on stage.
side note: we opened for the "who" in I believe 1966 at a bowling alley in Ann Arbor, Mich. They did ram guitars through their amps at the end of the show. We were horrified at ruining equipment we only dreamed of affording...(we were still playing through stacks of Silvertone 1484's or whatever they were.) Any way, we asked the stage crew of we could have or buy the ripped up amps.....they said no......then just a couple years ago I sold a '52 Gibson Country&Western acoustic to Pete Townsend. I asked if he remembered the event...and damn....he didn't remember it at all!!!
I'd like to see some of you guys ram your harps through amps at the end of the show.....now that's be cool....or maybe blow harp with yer feet? or boobs?...and is it possible with a good long fart to get a good whammer jammer goin'??!!
And hey boogie!!! we tried to get a new year's gig going with Smokehouse, but he was "on call" from his day job and couldn't commit. We got two more VoodooBluz Festivals on schedule now....one at Asphodel in the Spring, and Hemingbough will be the full moon on September 21, 2002. Man, talk about back to the "roots"....scheduling blues festivals for affluent white folks at southern plantations!!!!
ok......i'm up way too early and babbling....any new updates on the savings and loan scandals? anybody seen bin laden? and when is that Keb/Martha special gonna air? ..............hoodoojimmy
IronMan Mike Curtis
> There was a time long ago when musicians were called
> entertainers !!
In my opinion, that's one thing that's wrong with the music scene
today. Too many statues. Not in the parks and museums. On the
stage. It's no wonder people go to places with DJs. If all you want
is music, all you need is a record player. Until they achieve
legendary and/or virtuoso status (i.e. Etta James, JLH, etc.), a live
band IMHO has an obligation to do something more than just play. It
doesn't have to be somersaults. Even some friendly conversation with
the audience, facial expressions appropriate to the music, and such
go a long way.
We just lost Louisiana Guitar Red. He wasn't a great musician,
technically. But he was a lot of fun to listen to and watch. When
he took the stage, there was no doubt who the "boss" was. Not
because he was bossy, but because his personality filled the room.
He radiated fun and the joy of music. When he played, everyones mood
lightened up. Even though he was getting up in years, he still had
some pretty good moves.
> But Guitar Shorty is a true entertainer , who can play
> his guitar with his feet ! ( And I have seen it ! )
Yup. And a lot of these things are every bit as much of a "skill" as
playing the instrument in the "traditional" manner.
Speaking of playing with the feet, I have size 14-EEE feet, with
*very* long fingerlike toes. My Mom (a pianist) used to joke about
how I should play the piano with those toes. Then I took up organ
bass pedals ;-)
Chris Burger
another look-see next time he comes to town. I'm
generally super-generous about anyone of his caliber
and resume (cripes, he recorded for Cobra!), but I
left disappointed when I saw him last because of his
over-the-top volume, tone, and perhaps, worst of all,
there were none of the much-ballyhooed kartwheels or
backflips. (But then he's no spring chicken).
I will close my contribution to this discussion by
saying that I generally part company with those who
want to define anyone and anything as "blues,"
although the ruling ethos here is "if it feels
good..." and "we all get the blues, etc." I will go
ahead and be "ridiculous" in maintaining that all
infusions of new influences (primarily rock these
days) is not always ecessarily a good thing for the
music.
But do I look forward to giving 'Shorty another shot
some time.
Conservative on this issue and proud,
Chris Burger
--- Joe Grandwilliams <jgrandw...@msn.com> wrote:
> I think Oscar is right. It really is ridiculous to
> say that one guy playing electric guitar is
> authentic or truer to the form as I am sure Blues
> preceded amplification and even electricity itself.
> Blues is internal feelings made audible. It has to
> be contemporary to start and then it becomes part of
> a tradition.
>
> ----- Original Message Sure, there's a little
hair-splitting going on, admittedly. I still think
Guitar Shorty is bluesman of many talents -but his
volume, and tone go a long ways in shouting : "I
--- Oscar Jordan <vvb...@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
> --- >
BP Murphy
Joel Fritz
Edwards, "My Black Mama" by Son House, and "Tell It to the Judge" and a
couple of others by Funny Papa Smith. I always thought it was interesting
that the capacity of a ten inch 78 (or was it the cylinder?) had such a big
influence on popular music in the twentieth century. For the 32 bar pop
song it's just right for three choruses at medium to slow tempo.
----- Original Message -----
From: "BP Murphy" <goner...@uswest.net>
To: <BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 9:29 AM
Subject: Honky Tonk (Part 1)
Michael Burke
>Actually.... there sems to be a lot of Part 1 - part 2 songs like that
>that don't necessarily have an inst on the B. I figured it was just cause
>they wanted to record a song that was longer than what might fit on one
>side of a 7". So they just had to 'wrap' it around to the B...though I
>imagine a DJ would have to have 2 copies of the record to play the whole
>song continuously. Hide and Seek comes to mind.
Or the famous "They Are Coming To Take Me Away, Ha Ha..." by Napoleon
Bonaparte III where the "flip side" was the original song backwards...
----------
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L.A. Jones
>Actually.... there sems to be a lot of Part 1 - part 2 songs like that
>that don't necessarily have an inst on the B. I figured it was just cause
>they wanted to record a song that was longer than what might fit on one
>side of a 7". So they just had to 'wrap' it around to the B...though I
>imagine a DJ would have to have 2 copies of the record to play the whole
>song continuously. Hide and Seek comes to mind.
What's Hide and Seek besides a children's game? An instrumental?
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>Actually.... there sems to be a lot of Part 1 - part 2 songs like that
that don't necessarily have an inst on the B. I figured it was just cause
they wanted to record a song that was longer than what might fit on one
side of a 7". So they just had to 'wrap' it around to the B...though I
imagine a DJ would have to have 2 copies of the record to play the whole
song continuously. Hide and Seek comes to mind.
Topsy by Cozy Cole is another'n.
Steve White
Fred Dabney
blind, I
> would imagine the music would sound better without the
cartwheels...or,
> maybe not. Mike M.
This sort of thing has gone on for centuries.
The violinist who gave the premiere of Beethoven's
violin concerto was famous for playing with the fiddle
behind his head, and he did it then- Beethoven himself
was noted, when conducting, for indicating a diminuendo
by crouching down behind the stand until the musicians
couldn't even see him, and then indicating a crescendo
by standing taller and taller until he would leap into the
air at the climactic moment.
The one did it as an effect, the other did it without
really thinking about the effect it might have on the
audience. Paganini was also known for deliberately
breaking strings in a performance then continuing
to play on the remaining strings.
Show biz...
Fred D.
Fred Dabney
the hole in
> the middle.
> Hey, remember when side A was with the vocal, and side B would
have the same
> song only with the vocal track removed. It would say "TITLE"
> (instrumental). I guess so the record label didn't have to
waste time
> recording another song. The first karaoke and nobody took
advantage of it.
> Mike
Victor did this a lot with a different reason.
Fats Waller for instance often recorded vocal/no vocal
numbers, the intention was that the vocal versions were
for the US market, but the no vocal versions were for
export. I have samples of this sort of thing from more
than one artist where the no vocal versions have titles
en Español. Louis recorded that famous "St. Louis
Blues" in both vocal and no vocal versions, but the
no vocal version didn't see the light of day until the
complete CD issues a few years back.
It goes away back...
Fred D.
IronMan Mike Curtis
> Question: Why Honky Tonk (Part 2) - Bill Doggett
> It sounds very similar to Honky Tonk (Part 1).
Part one was the head and guitar solo. Part 2 was the sax solo.
Just my opinion, but I think they're quite different, other than
being solos from the same song. Or maybe we're saying the same
thing?
Patrick Buckles
local band. They were all dressed in their 'Blues Brothers' suits and cool
sunglasses. The music was technically very good. Their stage presence
sucked. The lead guitar player looked as if he'd rather be ahywhere but in
that club playin' the blues. Hell, they all appeared as if they didn't give
a damn cause they're popular and could play (techically) well.....not what I
wanna see or hear from a band!!!! It aint about technique...not for me
anyway....At least show us that yer interested!!!! I won't be back to that
club, or any other, when this band is on the marquee.
Chris Whitby
Johnny Heartsman w/ raucous guitar/ organ grinding /gutter honking sax/ a
screaming cut.
Reissued this year & on CD for the 1st time on the (definitely in my top 10)
"Bay Area Blues Blasters" Vol. 1
Chris Whitby
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve White" <blin...@MY-DEJA.COM>
To: <BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU>
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 10:43 AM
Subject: Re: Honky Tonk (Part 1)
Oscar Jordan
I will close my contribution to this discussion by
> saying that I generally part company with those who
> want to define anyone and anything as "blues,"
> although the ruling ethos here is "if it feels
> good..." and "we all get the blues, etc." I will go
> ahead and be "ridiculous" in maintaining that all
> infusions of new influences (primarily rock these
> days) is not always ecessarily a good thing for the
> music.
Who here on this board defined anyone and anything as
"blues?"
Chris Burger
Chris Burger
"Jay-Z gets a lot of flack for being "commercial"
hip-hop, but I think some of his samples are pure
genius. For example, I heard a track on the radio the
other night from his new album that samples/lifts
"Ain't No Love In the Heart of the City", a great soul
classic from Bobby "Blue" Bland's 70s period on ABC
Records.
The production of the original song is layered really
well into the rhythms of Jay-Z's version. And keeping
Bobby's vocals don't hurt either."
FINI
IronMan Mike Curtis
> I will go
> ahead and be "ridiculous" in maintaining that all
> infusions of new influences (primarily rock these
> days) is not always ecessarily a good thing for the
> music.
It's not ridiculous at all when you define "blues" as only "old style
blues". Perhaps it would end the "argument" if you just expressed it
that way. You like the old blues. You don't like "new blues".
Does that seem to be a fair synopsys?
As far as what is and is not blues, "we" don't make that decision.
There are little pointy headed suits in some ivory tower that decide
that <so and so> is blues and <such and such> is not. We may not
agree, of course.
Oscar Jordan
Joe Grandwilliams
----- Original Message -----
From: jascas
Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2001 8:57 AM
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
Subject: Re: Guitar Shorty
And my clever retort is maybe he should check the grounding on his equipment. Seriously everybody likes a good show, otherwise there's really no reason to go to a live performance. Seldom is the sound as gooda as the recording, and unless the performer is ready to put that little something extra into the performance, they are not going to build a following.
Steve Harnar
fda...@nmsu.edu writes:
> > There is the music, and there is the cartwheels and if you are
> blind, I
> > would imagine the music would sound better without the
> cartwheels...or,
>
I've seen Gary Hutchinson of "Oreo Blue" out of Fayetteville Arkansas do a
somersault while playing his guitar. Just one of several stunts he has.
Geat live band to see. CDs are good too. Picked up "Rx for the blues" when
i saw them a KBBF this year where it was selling like hotcakes.
chefo
Chris Burger
undistilled blues, read "absent rock" influence,
preferably. Some would argue that it is the 300-pound
gorilla of rock and its followers who keep the likes
of Byther Smith from getting booked.
That such a debate often surfaces here on
BLUES-L(often on the racial tip) exists is nothing
new.
I'm all for diversity. I just find that what might be
called "old-style" Blues (not my term) ends up getting
short-thrift in the biz.
I find mentions of the ivory tower (I, for one, don't
come from one) to be a canard that distract from the
debate.
Anyway, like I said, perhaps I missed something about
'Shorty. I'm hoping his new album proves that
entertaining.
-C.Burger
--- Oscar Jordan <vvb...@YAHOO.COM> wrote:
P.W. Fenton
>I'm all for diversity. I just find that what might be
>called "old-style" Blues (not my term) ends up getting
>short-thrift in the biz.
Old style anything ends up getting the short shrift in the biz. The hula-hoop was once the most important thing a retailer could have on his shelves, as were Glenn Miller records, or Frank Sinatra records. Do we owe these items some degree of reverence? Perhaps. Should we assume they are being done a disservice because something else is now in fashion? I think not.
P.W. Fenton
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Oscar Jordan
I'm all for diversity. I just find that what might
> be
> called "old-style" Blues (not my term) ends up
> getting
> short-thrift in the biz.
The old blues will always be there. Just go to a good
record store. And there's plenty of artists who still
perform, dress, and play like it's 1959 with hair to
match. Old Blues is safe and sound. That style is
the foundation, and continues to be popular. Short
shrift? I don't know about that.
We'll always have ultra conservative blues lovers to
thank for continually reminding younger artists like
myself how much better we could be if only we played
like some old dearly departed dead guy from the 50's.
I simply think Blues is a lot bigger than just old
blues. You can be contemporary without changing it's
essence.
Oscar
jascas
yes, have been involved in these "blues"debates often. If it seems
appropriate, I would like to hear some opinions/advice on the
following....... the Memphis International Blues Competition in Feb. 2002.
My band has won and is representing the Baton Rouge Blues Society at this
event, and in the nature of a "Challenge' or "Competition", we are going in
the attempt to do well and maybe win or rank high in the competition. I've
been told by MANY who have been previously involved to be SURE and play very
"traditional" blues style......nothing "new", nothing "rockish", nothing
"funky/jazzy"................just three chords, with no augments, no 13ths,
no ...etc.etc...........THEN...I'm told by a few who have listened to our
set at the Baton Rouge Competition , "Man...that one song sounds so much
like "Stormy Monday", and/or "Geez, that song sounds just like Mojo with
different words......Don't do that one at Memphis. Now I feel we're
presented with a dilemma that is puzzling me. The number one scoring
criteria is originality.....BUT MAKE SURE YOU PLAY TRADITIONAL BLUES. The
band is very young, extremely talented musicians, (I'm lucky to be a
part)...but the influences of these young guys (18-24) is obviously
everything from Robert Johnson to Johnny Winter, to Stevie, Kenny Wayne,
blah....blah....to rock, jazz, blues/rock, rock/blues, which I think is as
it should be. Our bass player is very talented, plays a FIVE STRING BASS,
(not unusual these days), and plays bass lines that are really good, and the
original music we've put together is tight, well written musically and
lyrically, and I without question in my 30 years of playing, am calling this
music...BLUES. Is it traditional? Is it exactly like Robert Johnson would've
played it, or Muddy, or Blind Crippled Mississippi Delta Deacon Smoky Poor
Boy Jones would've played it? NO......resounding NO......it is today's
blues, being written and performed by today's musicians, incorporating what
they have assimilated in their musical life and learning.
Sounds stupid......but what if the Stones were around several years
before Robert Johnson........don't ya think he would've been influenced?
(substitute any band for the "Stones") We don't live in an age before radio,
television, and mass marketing of music in all its forms. We don't live in a
world of "Walden".
Should I get an old Stella, break off a beer bottle, and play exactly like
(insert blues legend), and simply try and write a better hook line? Should
we say "damn the torpedoes" and try a take the blues to a whole new level?
Should we drop any fancy bass lines, walk downs, chord inversions? Should we
make sure each guitar ride is indistinguishable from B.B.?
In this band I'm the old guy playing with a bunch of young friends. I
would call myself more of a traditionalist than experimentalist, BUT, I
ENJOY ADDING A LOT OF INFLUENCES AND NEWNESS TO MY "BLUES". And, yes, jesus,
I confess, some of it comes from the "r" word (rock), some from New Orleans
Funk R&B second line stuff. Some from my (albeit) limited "jazz". Hell, I
even listen to classical music, sometimes country AND western music. I even
have a Johnny Lang CD (I'm 52).
So...........opinions anyone? I think I'm just asking the very same"blues"
question...but in a specific, career related, here and now kinda
way........and would love to hear some feedback.
I also know there's people here on the list directly involved with the
IBC, so if this is an inappropriate question for the list, let me know.
HoodooJimmy
p.s. just as an aside on the "racial tip" of things, I'm the white guy
playing with three other black guys in this band.
This is an inconsequential point to me.....but seems to be a part of these
types of discussions, so just throwing it in.
Oscar Jordan
all those people who love what you do there's always
those small few who wanna tear your play house down.
Lots of commentary and absolutely no ability.
Don't try to ride two horses at the same time. Do
what you love the most. Do what speaks to your heart
because no matter what you do there will always be
those who want to criticize you from their ivory
tower. Good luck and break a leg.
Oscar
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IronMan Mike Curtis
> I plainly admit that I like what might be called pure,
> undistilled blues, read "absent rock" influence,
> preferably. Some would argue that it is the 300-pound
> gorilla of rock and its followers who keep the likes
> of Byther Smith from getting booked.
Not convincingly. Do you really think the teenage girls that fill
the auditorium for Jonny Jang would have the slightest interest in
Byther?
Some of the planets greatest music is played to empty houses.
> I'm all for diversity. I just find that what might be
> called "old-style" Blues (not my term) ends up getting
> short-thrift in the biz.
That's because it's old. Saying that "new blues is not blues" won't
fix the situation. If anything, you'll just distance the fans of new
blues from old blues. You're better off doing like most of the old
bluesmen and welcoming "new forms" of blues with open arms. One of
the best things that happened to blues back in the 60's was the Brit
invasion and cats like The Stones, Animals, Clapton, and Mayall, who
credited the old blues guys like Muddy, Wolf, etc., as influences.
Let me start a BIG flurry of responses by asking for everyone who
came to the blues via other forms of music giving credit to bluesmen
and women to chime in with a big YEAH and the name(s) of the
artist(s). And how many fans came to Muddy via Johnny Winter, etc.?
Some blues fans PURPOSELY want to keep fans from "their" music, and
seek to distance others. For them, it's simple elitism. No matter
that the blues artists they like starve, as long as they can preserve
the music in a germ free museum away from the unwashed masses. If
you'd really like to see more people attending Byther Smith concerts,
don't fall prey to the purist argument. you expose your favorite
music to more people by broadening its definition, not by narrowing
it. And blues rock notwithstanding, Byther will always be Byther.
The best thing that could happen to Byther is for some snotnose kid
rockin' blues star to cover some of his tunes. Or better yet, have
him guest on the CD.
Joe Grandwilliams
I believe there is as much luck as anything else in getting past the preliminaries. In the last three years or so the Long Island Blues Society has sent the Kerry Kearney Band, a freewheeling high energy outfit that tends to tread the ground between Chicago-Delta and British treated blues. The Smokedaddys were our entry last year. They move between a Texas and Chicago style with a heavy R&B feel. This year we are sending solo acoustic artist Little Toby Walker, an excellent musician and story teller.
Again, it seems to be a matter of which judges you draw in the preliminary round, and what their personal taste is. On the other hand, you did make it to Memphis which is no small feat. Go with the act that got you there. It's obviously what you do the best and what is most natural to you. Keep your egoes and attitudes in check and be prepared to net work. Bring as much promo material as you can and enjoy the weekend. You might win, and I wish you just a little less luck than I do Toby. Original Message -----
From: jascas
Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2001 2:36 PM
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
> I plainly admit that I like what might be called pure,
> undistilled blues, read "absent rock" influence,
> preferably. Some would argue that it is the 300-pound
> gorilla of rock and its followers who keep the likes
> of Byther Smith from getting booked.
>
> That such a debate often surfaces here on
> BLUES-L(often on the racial tip) exists is nothing
> new.
>
> I'm all for diversity. I just find that what might be
> called "old-style" Blues (not my term) ends up getting
> short-thrift in the biz.
>
> > > -IronMan Mike Curtis LIVE video of Mikes #1 MP3
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> > >
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> >
> >
Blue Stew
themselves so thin that there is very little to grab on to, not much
substance.
You will never be happy until you listen to your heart and follow it, so you
may as well just do now. You'll be surprised at how the scattered pieces of
your life start to fall into place.
Listen to your critics, learn from it, always try and look at yourself
through someone else's eyes(and ears) and keep an open mind.
Musicians and artists are generally sensitive about their creations, and
will often turn a deaf ear to negative criticism, wrong thing to do.
Swallow your pride and listen to what other people hear.
I always ask folks who have my cds what's there least favorite song, why,
what should have been done different. By doing this, I've learned to hear
my stuff objectively and get Ideas what and what not to do the next time.
When artists can turn the ego off, they can learn quite a bit. Mike M.
words...@webtv.net
Dear Lord, please let me be half the person my dog thinks I am.
DJ
the blues. I have no idea what that means and care even less....
DJ