Blues clubs closed???
RJ And Tina Bauman
store to open 2 locations in Chicago where a bar/restaurant operated on both
Clark and Halstead in Chicago.
Have we lost a couple of blues spots ????
I'm thinking of Blues Etc. and Blues on Clark. Hope I'm wrong!!!
RJ
Steve Harnar
lately. I was just wondering if this is the case in other cities.
Steve Harnar
Hot Springs, AR
http://www.spacityblues.com
chuck n.
>lately. I was just wondering if this is the case in other cities.
>
Maybe they have gotten the blues so damn bad,
They don't need the blues someone else done had.
(which blows the "misery loves company" theory all to hell & back). chuck
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Buddy Fox
subject not confined to any one geographical area.
In NYC in the last 8 years we have seen the following close:
Dan Lynch's(also on 40th Street and 10th Ave)
Louisiana Community Bar and Grill
Chicago B.L.U.E.S.
Manny's Car Wash
Tramps
Mondo Cane
Mondo Perso
The Lone Star Cafe
Some of these clubs also provided a breeding ground for breaking acts, and
gave birth to Satan and Adam, The Holmes Brothers, Michael Hill's Blues Mob,
Shemekia Copeland, Bill Perry, Popa Chubby, Bill Sims and Joan Osborne
amongst others.
Blues fans must remember to support local acts in their areas, and to support
the clubs that give them an arena.
Buddy Fox
Salty Dog
>Subject: Re: Blues clubs closed???
>Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 10:38:17 EST
>
>
>In NYC in the last 8 years we have seen the following close:
>Dan Lynch's(also on 40th Street and 10th Ave)
>Louisiana Community Bar and Grill
>Chicago B.L.U.E.S.
>Tramps
>Mondo Cane
>Mondo Perso
Very sad to hear this.
NaCl K9
Blue Stew
his wings.......I think? Mike M.
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Buddy Fox
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 7:38 AM
To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
Subject: Re: Blues clubs closed???
Bruce Bears
can't remember another good blues club in Manhattan (never played Dan
Lynch's or The Louisiana Comm., Bar..., and Tramp's wasn't just
blues...)....Too bad that the greatest city in the world isn't a blues city.
(Can't wait to hear everyone howl about that comment..) I love
Shemekia...I'd play with Bill Perry anytime etc.,... but how much can the
blues acts NYC has turned out work in their hometown? It's really too
bad....
Bruce Bears
PS Isn't Taj a Native New Yorker?
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>From: Blue Stew <ma...@BLUESTEW.COM>
>To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
>Subject: Re: Blues clubs closed???
>Date: Mon, Dec 3, 2001, 3:52 PM
Buddy Fox
Sugar Blue was born here, as were most of the artists in my list.
Buddy
Bruce Bears
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>To: bear...@earthlink.net, BLU...@listserv.brown.edu
>Subject: Re: Blues clubs closed???
>
>Not sure about Taj being born in NYC, he was brought up in Springfield Mass.
>Sugar Blue was born here, as were most of the artists in my list.
>Buddy
The Holmes Brothers aren't originally from NYC, are they?
Bruce
Ron Weinstock
<< d Tramp's wasn't just
blues...)....Too bad that the greatest city in the world isn't a blues city.
>>
When I was living in New York between 1978 and 1983, Tramps was most
definitely a blues club. And the Village gate and The Bottom Line regularly
brought in blues to the city.
BTW the greatest city still is a jazz city and there ain't no shame to that.
ron
Buddy Fox
Buddy Fox
after the day is done they go to a Blues Club. Change Chicago to NYC and
Blues to Jazz, then you have the story.
Buddy
Blue Stew
Born May 17, 1942 in New York, NY, raised in Springfield, MA. Mike M.
P.W. Fenton
>The closing of blues clubs , or clubs that featured many blues artists, is a
>subject not confined to any one geographical area.
>
>In NYC in the last 8 years we have seen the following close:
>Dan Lynch's(also on 40th Street and 10th Ave)
>Louisiana Community Bar and Grill
>Chicago B.L.U.E.S.
>Manny's Car Wash
>Tramps
>Mondo Cane
>Mondo Perso
>The Lone Star Cafe
That's really awfull. Two of those clubs (Tramps & Lone Star) were alive and kicking back when I lived in New York City, and I ain't lived in New York City for almost 24 years. There MUST be new clubs filling this gap. New York is too "happenin" for music to just disappear.
Isn't there a cool Blues club on Staten Island now?
P.W. Fenton
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Bruce Bears
the same caliber as the Jazz in NYC )..There is also some great Jazz in
Chicago...I'm just surprised that a city as large as NYC can't support a
blues scene as well (actually I'm sure it can).. Buddy..you must remember
when soul music had a big following in the city, right? Donny Hathaway
etc,..That makes me think success with genres other than Jazz is possible.
And that recent show by Howard Tate was interesting. I guess it's all a
matter of getting the right people behind it eh? You need press, press,
press!...... Hey Jimmy Vivino!! Borrow some money from Max and open a good
music venue! Please?!
Bruce Bears
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>From: Buddy Fox <BuddyF...@aol.com>
>To: BLU...@LISTSERV.BROWN.EDU
>Subject: Re: Blues clubs closed???
>Date: Mon, Dec 3, 2001, 5:48 PM
Chris Burger
As for the Northeast, as bad as the closings in NYC
have been, I still have been impressed by what still
is being booked there, as well as in Hartford,
Connecticut (at Black Eyed Sally's) and less-so in
Central and Western Massachusetts.
Meanwhile, the city of Boston has all but surrendered
its reputation as a blues-friendly town (before my
move here and before my time...). Some trace this to
the effect of the opening of the original House of
Blues in Harvard Square some 9 years ago, which, it is
said, managed to put the squeeze on the clubs and
taverns that regularly booked blues -and not just
occasionally, as the HOB does.
The HOB's sole saving grace is its occasional reminder
to itself to go on a brief tear and splurge on some
real acts like the Fat Possum tour or a Little Arthur
Duncan, etc. - if only to justify the blues chic on
the walls...But then it's right back to rock, hip-hop,
and anything but blues....Monday Jam session excepted.
More recently, former Boston stalwarts of bluesdom
continue to disappoint. A gaze at the coming shows in
recent months has been depressingly free of blues, by
and large. For one, the cavernous Harper's Ferry in
the Allston section(which, amazingly, still manages to
be called a "blues club" in the occasional feature
article (was it ever?)is 98% rock and what have you,
but nothing resembling even blues-rock.
The main drop-out continues to be the once proud
Johnny D's in Somerville, Mass., which besides an
inferior blues jam on Sunday afternoon's, has all but
abandoned regular blues. Sure, a highlight of late was
Chick Willis with Roy Roberts...but that was months
ago. It's really an outrage what is instead booked
there, as blues shows are otherwise rather
well-attended. Locally, I chaulk it up to management'
disdain or pure disinterest in this music - not the
market.
Cambridge's gritty Cantab Lounge is still superior
because of the "atmosphere" and neighborhood talent
like "Blues Boy" Henry who still turn out. Only the
recent stroke of semi-R&B legend Little Joe Cook who
had been the genial (and sometimes, not-too-genial,
emcee), has dimmed this outpost.....
One show every 2-3 months is not cutting it. And New
England-based Luther "Guitar" Johnson and Mighty Sam
McClain, as great as they are, don't count. These are
"must-see" acts worldwide - but there's nothing like
seeing all the acts who are still out there nationally
who don't happen to live locally.
I also think we may finally be seeing the impact of
the aging of the last "real" blues generations we we
once took for granted. No matter how many new young
talents pop-up, I remain doubtful that we'll see or
replace those few that remain or those recently
departed.
Finally, I do begin to wonder what the long-term
impact of listening to music so divorced from blues
(or roots music of any kind)like Hip Hop (sorry),
College Rock and punk does to the "ears" of young
people.
-Chris Burger
Boston
--- "P.W. Fenton" <pwfe...@p-dub.com> wrote:
> At 10:38 AM 12/3/2001 -0500, Buddy Fox wrote:
> >The closing of blues clubs , or clubs that featured
> many blues artists, is a
> >subject not confined to any one geographical area.
> >
> >In NYC in the last 8 years we have seen the
> following close:
> >Dan Lynch's(also on 40th Street and 10th Ave)
> >Louisiana Community Bar and Grill
> >Chicago B.L.U.E.S.
> >Manny's Car Wash
> >Tramps
> >Mondo Cane
> >Mondo Perso
> >The Lone Star Cafe
>
> That's really awfull. Two of those clubs (Tramps &
> Lone Star) were alive and kicking back when I lived
> in New York City, and I ain't lived in New York City
> for almost 24 years. There MUST be new clubs
> filling this gap. New York is too "happenin" for
> music to just disappear.
>
> Isn't there a cool Blues club on Staten Island now?
>
>
> P.W. Fenton
>
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As for the Northeast, as bad as the closings in NYC
have been, I still have been impressed by what still
is being booked there, as well as in Hartford,
Connecticut (at Black Eyed Sally's) and less-so in
Central and Western Massachusetts.
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As a follow up, there is more than one club in the Hartford area bringing in
blues. Sally's does it on a regular Thur, Fri, Sat basis each week. But a
number of places across the state, within 40 minutes of Hartford.
For an example I have excerpted a portion of Dave Carpentar's The Blues Bus
Concert Calendar for this week. The Blues Bus Concert Calendar is broadcast
several times weekly on WHUS 91.7 and can also be found in The Blues Bus
Depot at: http://w3.nai.net/~davecarp. Hear The Blues Bus (Saturdays
9-midnight) and all our other blue shows live online at
http://whusfm.saup.uconn.edu
12/6 THURSDAY
Alberta Adams - Black-eyed Sally's - Hartford
Smokin' Joe Kubek feat. Bnois King - The Hungry Tiger - Manchester, CT
12/7 FRIDAY
Shemekia Copeland - The Iron Horse - Northampton, MA
Michael Hill's Blues Mob - Black-eyed Sally's - Hartford
Toni Lynn Washington - Theodores' - Springfield, MA
Dan Stevens - The Sage American Grill (8-11pm) - Chester, CT
Gina Gunn & the Bullets - O'Reilly's Southside Xmas party - Glastonbury, CT
12/8 SATURDAY
Sugar Ray & the Bluetones - Theodores' - Springfield, MA
Murali Coryell - The Next Stop Cafe - Bethel, CT
Ray Schinnery - Black-eyed Sally's - Hartford
Chris Smither - The Roaring Brook Nature Center - Canton, CT
The Chili Blues Band - O'Reilly's Southside Xmas party - Glastonbury, CT
Dan Stevens - R. P. Downey's (8pm) - Cheshire, CT
Cafe 9 and the Blues in New Haven regularly bring in blues and a number of
places including Sally's and the Tiger have jams.
Connecticut maybe small but it does have its share.
Not to mention Beef Stew's Sunday Night Blues. 6 hrson commercial radio
50,000 watts and of course my Blues Beat column which appears in 3 daily
papers and a numberof weeklies.
Domenic "the RoadHog" Forcella
Blues to Fatten Your Spirit
WFCS 107.7
"The far LEFT on the far RIGHT of the Dial"
Sal Stevens
Howard Tate after reading so much about him on the Blues-L.......only to find
out after the fact that he performed here in New Orleans at the Circle Bar -
there was virtually no press or advertising in relation to his
appearance.....just as the music biz is changing so quickly...so are the
avenues and methods for publicity and promo.... and I guess many are falling
behind in that area.............
Sal
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<< just as the music biz is changing so quickly...so are the avenues and
methods for publicity and promo.... and I guess many are falling behind in
that area..........>>
people who don't advertise aren't likely to have viable Blues events... I
think the problem is the money (and time/effort) associated with advertising
and promotion.
Andy Allu
The Silk City Recording Company
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Silkc...@aol.com writes:
> people who don't advertise aren't likely to have viable Blues events... I
> think the problem is the money (and time/effort) associated with
> advertising
> and promotion.
Far too often, some "rookie" club owners and concert promoters forget that
advertising needs to be part of the overall budget. It's not enough to find
a venue, hire a couple of bands, set up a keg and assume that "if you build
it, they will come". Word of mouth alone just doesn't do it.
Kevin
> people who don't advertise aren't likely to have viable Blues events... I
> think the problem is the money (and time/effort) associated with advertising
> and promotion.
Absolutely, Andy. Some guys(Carl at Max Daniels, for instance)have a
desire to have live blues in their room(look at the house sound
system!), but business is not good for him. He actually DOESN'T have the
money to advertise in Steppin Out, etc. However, he(anyone for that
matter) COULD get free radio plugs on all of the local blues radio
stations by sending his monthly calender. Also, he could send it to
Fourteen Days, to local papers' What's Happening sections, etc. There is
a lot of FREE advertising that could be done by the clubs.
I think that those type of calenders should be the club owner's
responsibility, NOT the band's. A band can send an announcement to all
of the above, and that shows that THAT band is where they say that they
are on a given engagement. If the CLUB OWNER stayed on top of it every
week, his club's name would be guaranteed to be out there, and
readers/listeners could determine that a particular venue ALWAYS has
roots music.
My two cents.......
KK