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ChicagoB...@aol.com

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Nov 11, 2005, 4:13:14 PM11/11/05
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Taking a Poll:

WHO ARE THE BEST NON-Black Male BLUES SINGERS.

1. Kim Wilson
2. Sugar Ray
3. Curtis Salgado
3. Sean Costello
4. Tad Robinson

Who else?

Cb91

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Dick Waterman

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Nov 11, 2005, 4:26:32 PM11/11/05
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In a message dated 11/11/05 3:13:32 PM, ChicagoB...@aol.com writes:


> 1. Kim Wilson
> 2. Sugar Ray
> 3. Curtis Salgado
> 3. Sean Costello
> 4.   Tad Robinson
>
> Who else?
>

Elvis Presley
Hank Williams
Merle Haggard
Dan Penn
Jack Teagarden


Dick Waterman
Oxford, MS
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In a message dated 11/11/05 3:13:32 PM, ChicagoB...@aol.com writes:

<< 1. Kim Wilson
2. Sugar Ray
3. Curtis Salgado
3. Sean Costello
4. Tad Robinson

Who else? >>

Darrell Nulisch
Lee McBee
Mitch Palmer
Mitch Kashmar
I wouldn't think Sean Costello that great a singer(IMHO)
HB

Jonny Meister

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Nov 11, 2005, 4:48:11 PM11/11/05
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The late Alex Taylor -Jonny

Jerry MacKavey

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Nov 11, 2005, 4:55:34 PM11/11/05
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In a message dated 11/11/05 1:13:32 PM, ChicagoB...@aol.com writes:


> WHO ARE THE BEST NON-Black Male BLUES SINGERS.
>
> 1. Kim Wilson
> 2. Sugar Ray
> 3. Curtis Salgado

> 4. Sean Costello
> 5. Tad Robinson
>
> Who else?
>

The Carolina's #1 blue-eyed blues singer (and a bluesfiddler, too), Dave
Foraker has to be considered one of the best.
Jerry

Jay Watterworth

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Nov 11, 2005, 5:04:55 PM11/11/05
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Paul Butterfield by far (though he is no longer with us). Charlie
Musselwhite isn't that great, but he's still with us doing his thing. He
might be the best white sounding blues singer.

Jay

Joel Fritz

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Nov 11, 2005, 5:03:56 PM11/11/05
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Oh heck, if dead people are eligible and their repertoire wasn't purely
blues,

Moon Mullican
Tommy Duncan
Milton Brown
Wingy Manone
Webb Pierce---I may be nuts, but I think he was as soulful as anyone who
ever recorded. If it weren't for the subject matter, "Don't Let Me Cross
Over" would be one of my favorite gospel records of all time.

Louis Prima
Johnny Burnette
Carl Perkins

Still alive:

Johnny Otis
Mose Allison
Ron Thompson
Wanda Jackson
John Nemeth has a lot of potential, some of it unrealized.
I got a big kick out of George Sueref--closest thing to Clyde McPhatter
going--but I have no idea what he's doing these days.


I saw Ron Thompson and Curtis Salgado at the Hayward Blues Festival this
summer. If asked to state my (purely vocal) preference in public....I
won't.

There's a great box set out on Rhino called something like "Loud, Fast,
and Out of Control" that's mostly rockabilly. It's an eye opener for
blues fans who haven't heard that kind of music.

For trivia's sake, Leonard Feather wrote three blues standards: "Evil
Man/Gal Blues," "Blowtop Blues," and "How Blue Can You Get."

Hear Barrelhouse Solly on the internet--that's me 2 new tunes 11/10/05
both featuring Jon Lawton on guitar

http://www.soundclick.com/barrelhousesolly

Yes, it's what everyone has been clamoring for--pictures of the cats:

http://ratemykitten.com/my/?gallery=willie_mctell

Deb Lubin

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Nov 11, 2005, 5:13:01 PM11/11/05
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I'd add Terry Hanck to that list.
Deb

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Dapper Dan

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Nov 11, 2005, 5:22:12 PM11/11/05
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Darrell Nulisch

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bluesfantom

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> Taking a Poll:
>
> WHO ARE THE BEST NON-Black Male BLUES SINGERS.
>
> 1. Kim Wilson
> 2. Sugar Ray
> 3. Curtis Salgado
> 3. Sean Costello
> 4. Tad Robinson
>
> Who else?
>
> Cb91
>
Billy Price
Will Porter
Bonnie Bramlett
Steve Guyger
Paul Oscher
Timi Yuro (sadly passed, but what a voice)
Bobby Darin (that guy could sing anything--his Live at the Desert Inn has a
real nice blues tune and I believe he even plays some decent harp on it,
don't recall the title off hand)

Saw some others' posts on this, and agree with all of them, especially Dan
Penn and Wanda Jackson, nice long list.

tom

Roxy Perry

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Nov 11, 2005, 5:33:15 PM11/11/05
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dead?
My all time favorite...Muddy Waters

Ricky Stevens

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Nov 11, 2005, 5:35:59 PM11/11/05
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Considering blues as a state of being instead of a musical form-


5) Conway Twitty
4) George Jones
3) Hank Williams -not Jr.
2) Roy Acuff


And easily number one, the Singing Brakeman, Jimmie Rogers.

Ricky Stevens
Arkabutla, Mississippi

c. n.

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Nov 11, 2005, 5:44:39 PM11/11/05
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I don't think I've seen Mose Allison's name anywhere. I like his style and
voice, in that it does seem to rather unique when applied to the blues.

I heard a tape of Pigpen singing some damn strong Lightnin Hopkins style
stuff. Doyl Bramhall is no slouch either. Homer Henderson, of the DFW area,
can sing pretty for the people when he wants to, he just hardly ever wants
to. He sang a couple on Johnny Moeller's last disc.
chuck

gtr...@prodigy.net

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Nov 11, 2005, 5:45:08 PM11/11/05
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I did not know there was Male Wanda Jackson.
Guitar.Mac.
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Michele Lundeen

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Nov 11, 2005, 6:03:56 PM11/11/05
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Huh? Well, a few of you were only looking at only the subject line...
'cause while Bonnie Bramlett is surely one amazing singer, one of my favs...
she ain't no male... nor is Miz Wanda Jackson or Timi Yuro (Rosemarie
Timotea Aurro)

WHO ARE THE BEST NON-Black Male BLUES SINGERS you ask
Well, I got myself carried away
Curtis Salgado probably the top of my list...
I would also include
Delbert McClinton (of course)
Coco Montoya
Jeff Healy
Eric Clapton
Johnny Winter
Rick Estrin
Studebaker John
Mike Morgan (Mike Morgan & The Crawl)
Lloyd Jones
William Topley
Jonny Lang (oh, stop it... I think his voice has soul)

Michele Lundeen
www.michelelundeen.com

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> Taking a Poll:
>
> WHO ARE THE BEST NON-Black Male BLUES SINGERS.

Bonnie Bramlett


Timi Yuro (sadly passed, but what a voice)

Wanda Jackson

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Nick Gravenites

Bugsy Maugh


Paul Sr.
"Paul Parello's Blues Power"
Radio: WRMN 1410 AM Elgin-Chicago Sunday nights 10:00 PM to 12:00 midnight.
Internet: Streamed live Sunday night radio show www.chicagobluesman.com

Jay Watterworth

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Muddy is white?
(I know you know, Roxy. Just teasing.)

Jay

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Jay Watterworth

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Timi Yuro and Wanda Jackson are females. Great singers, but women.

Jay

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Jay Watterworth

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I would like to thank veterans for their service to our country. Even
though I have issues with some of the wars that our country has been
involved in, I honor those who have this sacrifice. Thank you and welcome
home.

Jay Watterworth

Walter Potter

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Having just listened to two of his CDs today, and getting to see him
again tonight, I'd have to agree. Under-rated if nothing else.
--
maxdog


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E Willett

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Tab Benoit

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Taking a Poll:

WHO ARE THE BEST NON-Black Male BLUES SINGERS.

1. Kim Wilson
2. Sugar Ray
3. Curtis Salgado
3. Sean Costello
4. Tad Robinson

Who else?

Cb91

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E Willett

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I have to take exception to Clapton. I think he's worked very hard to become an acceptable singer, to go along with his gifted guitar work....like him a lot, not a great singer.
George

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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers

Huh? Well, a few of you were only looking at only the subject line...
'cause while Bonnie Bramlett is surely one amazing singer, one of my favs...
she ain't no male... nor is Miz Wanda Jackson or Timi Yuro (Rosemarie
Timotea Aurro)

WHO ARE THE BEST NON-Black Male BLUES SINGERS you ask
Well, I got myself carried away
Curtis Salgado probably the top of my list...
I would also include
Delbert McClinton (of course)
Coco Montoya
Jeff Healy
Eric Clapton
Johnny Winter
Rick Estrin
Studebaker John
Mike Morgan (Mike Morgan & The Crawl)
Lloyd Jones
William Topley
Jonny Lang (oh, stop it... I think his voice has soul)

Michele Lundeen
www.michelelundeen.com<http://www.michelelundeen.com/>

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Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers

> Taking a Poll:
>
> WHO ARE THE BEST NON-Black Male BLUES SINGERS.

Bonnie Bramlett
Timi Yuro (sadly passed, but what a voice)
Wanda Jackson

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edward

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5. Ed Vadas

Ed V...check out my site
http://www.edvadasblues.com/

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pat boyack

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Nov 11, 2005, 7:57:18 PM11/11/05
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Jimmy Morello.

Pat B

Walter Potter

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Jay Watterworth wrote:
> I would like to thank veterans for their service to our country. Even
> though I have issues with some of the wars that our country has been
> involved in, I honor those who have this sacrifice. Thank you and welcome
> home.
>
> Jay Watterworth

I couldn't say it any better and highly agree with you. Thank you vets
and welcome home.

A friend of mine was on the Yorktown during WWII during the battle of
Midway. He was on the ship both times it was hit and had to abandon ship
twice. Thanks, Wild Bill.

My friend Terry Fryson did multiple tours of Vietnam. He was a tunnel
rat. Though I opposed that war, I highly respect Terry for his bravery.
I'll be thanking him tonight!

And thanks to all the vets on Blues-L.
--
maxdog


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Tim Berr

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Nov 11, 2005, 8:15:19 PM11/11/05
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Warren Haynes

I gotta tell ya people, Warren Haynes has the tone and particularly when
he does Howlin' Wolf, Elmore, Willie Dixon tunes live, his phrasing and
sheer emotion and power are meaty and beefy. Little Milton was a huge fan
of his and recorded and played with him alot. You want to go see his band
Gov't Mule live they do alot of extended blues tunes. He also plays/sings
in the Allman Brothers. I saw Gregg Allman on the list... and I totally
agree too... have you heard the Allman brothers lately man- they're
incredible.

Tim

Michele Lundeen

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Nov 11, 2005, 9:03:51 PM11/11/05
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Ya know, I agree about no Clapton… I told ya I was getting carried away!

I used to really dig Leon Russell …
(a lot of folks' lists are sure all over the place)
It’s cool to see everyone’s ideas... a few new introductions to take another
look at.

Michele Lundeen
www.michelelundeen.com
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I have to take exception to Clapton.  I think he's worked very hard to

Michele Lundeen
www.michelelundeen.com

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> Taking a Poll:
>
> WHO ARE THE BEST NON-Black Male BLUES SINGERS.

Bonnie Bramlett
Timi Yuro (sadly passed, but what a voice)
Wanda Jackson

c. n.

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Nov 11, 2005, 11:59:36 PM11/11/05
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Someone submitted this name:

>Mike Morgan (Mike Morgan & The Crawl)

Now there's one I didn't expect to see. He is improving, but is he among the
"best?" I don't hear it that way, but what do I know. Blacktop turned down
Zuzu Bollin's album because they decided his vocals were weak, while I
thought they were great.
chuck

Stephen McClaning

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Nov 12, 2005, 1:05:08 AM11/12/05
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My turn:)

Darrell Nulisch
Greg Allman best of ALL
Lee McBee
James Hunter
Ian Seigel
Boz Scaggs
Zola Moon
Roxy Perry
Robin Banks
Angeli Strehli
More tomorrow....

Stephen M. McClaning

frank lee

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charlie rich


On Nov 11, 2005, at 4:26 PM, Dick Waterman wrote:

> In a message dated 11/11/05 3:13:32 PM, ChicagoB...@aol.com
> writes:
>
>

>> 1. Kim Wilson
>> 2. Sugar Ray
>> 3. Curtis Salgado
>> 3. Sean Costello
>> 4.   Tad Robinson
>>
>> Who else?
>>
>

> Elvis Presley
> Hank Williams
> Merle Haggard
> Dan Penn
> Jack Teagarden
>
>
> Dick Waterman
> Oxford, MS
> www.dickwaterman.com
>

frank lee

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Nov 12, 2005, 1:16:09 AM11/12/05
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george jones
merle haggard
hank thompson
grateful dead
janis joplin

frank lee

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Nov 12, 2005, 1:23:24 AM11/12/05
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you never know, do you?

Chas Lewis

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On Fri, 11 Nov 2005 16:13:07 EST, ChicagoB...@aol.com wrote:

>Taking a Poll:
>
>WHO ARE THE BEST NON-Black Male BLUES SINGERS.
>

>1. Kim Wilson
>2. Sugar Ray
>3. Curtis Salgado
>3. Sean Costello
>4. Tad Robinson
>
>Who else?
>

>Cb91

Please take Sean Costello off this list
and replace his name with John Nemeth.

Chas

Donnie MorTone

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>From: frank lee <cecl...@mindspring.com>
>Reply-To: frank lee <cecl...@mindspring.com>
>To: BLU...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG

>Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers
>Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 01:16:57 -0500

>
>george jones
>merle haggard
>hank thompson
>grateful dead
>janis joplin
>
>On Nov 11, 2005, at 5:35 PM, Ricky Stevens wrote:
>
>>Considering blues as a state of being instead of a musical form-
>>
>>
>>5) Conway Twitty
>>4) George Jones
>>3) Hank Williams -not Jr.
>>2) Roy Acuff
>>
>>
>>And easily number one, the Singing Brakeman, Jimmie Rogers.

Tell me it's late...
Tell me I been drikinkin too much...
tell me pretty lies....

but don't tell me that for a joke someone I depise
subscribed me to a damn country music list...

Reginald Burns

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Nov 12, 2005, 6:45:07 AM11/12/05
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Eddie Hinton
Doyle Bramhall

Reg Burns - Houston, TX

edward

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Nov 12, 2005, 10:17:09 AM11/12/05
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I must live in a vacuum... alas poor Orick, I knew him well... Granted,
that Muddy wasn't white, but he was one of only a few people listed here as
being a "Blues Singer" Most of the people depicted, were artists who may
have released a few 12 bar blues songs on some of their albums, or they are
soulful country artists or R n B singers with good voices, but not blues
singers....

In my mind, a blues singer isn't in a rock band and loves blues. He is in
a blues band, or he is a solo artist who is compelled to sing these
blues...because of the subtleties of the form. It is a suit that fits the
artist, and he wears it. God bless the Rock and Rollers who covered blues
songs, but they are rock and rollers...
The greatest Rock and Roll band in the world, "The Rolling Stones" love the
blues and going by the criteria displayed on this "Blues" list, Mick would
be the king of the blues in some minds, but he isn't!

Ed Vhttp://www.edvadasblues.com/

Joel Fritz

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Nov 12, 2005, 11:03:33 AM11/12/05
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A lot of the universally recognized blues greats weren't blues artists
exclusively. Guitar Slim recorded a lot of R & B tunes. B. B. King
recorded things like "Slipping Around" and "The Thrill is Gone." Albert
Collins' instrumentals often sounded like soul music with added blues
guitar. The Bluebird Sound people: Washboard Sam, Big Bill... recorded
many tunes with ragtime and 32 bar pop progressions. Roosevelt Sykes,
Memphis Slim, Blind John Davis, and Black Bob all played a wide variety
of styles. Bumblebee Slim and Johnny Temple both recorded some of the
best pre-war deep blues and a whole bunch of throwaway pop stuff. Look
at Tampa Red and Willie McTell. Then there were Ray Charles, Bobby
Bland, Little Milton, Big Mama Thornton, Big Maybelle, Lil Green, Dinah
Washington, T Bone Walker.....

I know that honky tonk country singers seem like a stretch, but they
were recording and performing for an audience that wanted something
else. It's yetanother case of not knowing what people did or wanted to
do musically except for recordings that were influenced strongly by
marketing. Should we judge Tina Turner or Charlie Rich by their pop
singer careers or the stuff they did before they cashed in? Elijah Wald
has done a lot of research on this question and has some provacative but
really commonsensical ideas.

BTW, the Stones, IMHO, went down hill from the time they stopped being
an R & B cover band. Mick Jagger is a (technically) lousy singer who
makes up for it with attitude. He looks like someone with a neurological
disorder (no disrespect to people who really do) on stage. Not everyone
agrees with me on that one. <g>

"Never heard no horses singing them."--attributed to Big Bill Broonzy
about "folk songs"

--
Hear Barrelhouse Solly--that's me--on the web.
http://www.soundclick.com/barrelhousesolly

And now...What everyone's been clamoring for, pictures of the cats.
http://ratemykitten.com/my/?gallery=willie_mctell

Ron Weinstock

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Nov 12, 2005, 11:42:02 AM11/12/05
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A few names to add to this list who I do not believe have been included

William Clarke
Doc Pomus
Luther Kent
Bryan Lee
Big Joe Maher
Billy Hancock
Joe Stanley
last three from DC-Baltimore area

scott cable

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Nov 12, 2005, 1:08:06 PM11/12/05
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I definetly think John belongs on the list...I think instead of taking off Sean I would remove Sugar Ray. I think he is a good singer but he has never really moved me.Not very original...A great singer but not one of my top 10.Mookie Brill with Margolin is an under estimated singer.

Chas



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clehm...@aol.com

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Nov 12, 2005, 1:47:10 PM11/12/05
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I truly like the list of the five below and John Nemeth but one boy that has not been mentioned here who has a few octaves and do high or low parts is Seattle's own Mark DuFresne who has been fronting Roomful Of Blues. This guys voice is amazing allowing him to do all different era's of the blues, jump & swing. I have hired both DuFresne & Nemeth for many gigs so my list in order would be:

1. Kim Wilson
2. Sugar Ray
3. Curtis Salgado
4. Daryl Nulish
5. Tad Robinson
6. Mark DuFresne
7. John Nemeth

Cholo
www.winthropbluesfestival.com



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Steven Harnar

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I don't know if anyone mentioned Kenny Traylor from Ft. Worth but that "white boy" can sing. Saw him about a month ago, wife bought one of his CDs...some of the best vocals i've heard in some time. Good guitar player as well.

sdh

edward

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Nov 12, 2005, 2:08:00 PM11/12/05
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There are people who are blues singers and those that aren't.... no matter
how much you may want them to be... they know who they are and they will let
you know... no matter if they also did songs that were not blues per se.

and we are talking about blues singers here!

Buddy Guy is a blues singer, but because he did a cover of Mustang Sally,
does that make that song a blues song. NO NO NO it makes it a blues artist
interpretation of a blues song etc etc etc.


Ed V...check out my site
http://www.edvadasblues.com/

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>Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers
>Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 10:08:00 -0800

>
>I definetly think John belongs on the list...I think instead of taking off
>Sean I would remove Sugar Ray.

Remove Sugar Ray....

THE SUGGA...

Someone just shoot me...

irab...@comcast.net

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This string is getting ridiculous! It's not about who's white or black or whatever, it's not about being a "blues singer" or country or whatever. People, IT"S ABOUT THE MUSIC!!!!!!!!! If a song or a performer moves you, if the performance or song stays in your head all day, if it makes you laugh or cry, that's what it's about, period!

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> There are people who are blues singers and those that aren't.... no matter
> how much you may want them to be... they know who they are and they will let
> you know... no matter if they also did songs that were not blues per se.
>
> and we are talking about blues singers here!
>
> Buddy Guy is a blues singer, but because he did a cover of Mustang Sally,
> does that make that song a blues song. NO NO NO it makes it a blues artist
> interpretation of a blues song etc etc etc.
> Ed V...check out my site
> http://www.edvadasblues.com/
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Joel Fritz"
> To:
> Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 10:57 AM

> Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers
>
>

> > "Never heard no horses singing them."--attributed to Big Bill Broonzy
> > about "folk songs"
> >
> > edward wrote:
> >> I must live in a vacuum... alas poor Orick, I knew him well... Granted,
> >> that Muddy wasn't white, but he was one of only a few people listed here
> >> as being a "Blues Singer" Most of the people depicted, were artists who
> >> may have released a few 12 bar blues songs on some of their albums, or
> >> they are soulful country artists or R n B singers with good voices, but
> >> not blues singers....
> >>
> >> In my mind, a blues singer isn't in a rock band and loves blues. He is
> >> in a blues band, or he is a solo artist who is compelled to sing these
> >> blues...because of the subtleties of the form. It is a suit that fits
> >> the artist, and he wears it. God bless the Rock and Rollers who covered
> >> blues songs, but they are rock and rollers...
> >> The greatest Rock and Roll band in the world, "The Rolling Stones" love
> >> the blues and going by the criteria displayed on this "Blues" list, Mick
> >> would be the king of the blues in some minds, but he isn't!
> >>
> >> Ed Vhttp://www.edvadasblues.com/
> >>

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Hmm, Ed--looks like you've gotten familiar with vacuuming! i.e., Oreck as opposed to Alas, Poor Yorick. A little levity...

Deb

edward <mor...@charter.net> wrote:I must live in a vacuum... alas poor Orick, I knew him well... Granted,

Blue Stew

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Actually Ed, I would classify Mustang Sally as a blues song. The
components are the same. It is 12 bars with a repeating first line. it
is a song about a frustrated man, singing about his woman that loves her
car more than him...that's blues. If you slow it down to a 6/8 ballad,
it's really blues.
Rufus Thomas covered it and he was definetly blues.

mike
ps, Buddy Guy butchered the song imo.

Terence McArdle

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In a message dated 11/12/05 12:11:25 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LIST...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG writes:

Billy Hancock

A man who could sing anything, one of those performers who is internationally
well know but somehow not nationally well known. He recently won the WAMA
(Washington Area Music Association) lifetime achievement award in 2005. He's
always been labeled a rockabilly but he worked with J.B. Hutto, Bobby Parker, The
Clovers, and Sleepy John Estes and his first love was jump r'n'b. Billy is
probably best know for his partnership with guitarist Danny Gatton in the band
Danny & The Fat Boys. Before he hooked up with Gatton, he worked with Roy
Buchanan in the original line-up of the Snakestretchers and in my estimation was
pretty much dissed in recent biographies of both guitarists. His classic Ripsaw
label rockabilly records (1978-1980) were interpretations of blues like Muddy's
I Can't Be Satisfied, Dr. Ross' Boogie Disease, and Eddie Burns' Hello Miss
Jessie Lee; all got extensive airplay on the BBC during the r-a-b revival. He
also had a trad/swing band that did a lot of hokum and jump blues.

edward

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Of course it is about who is a blues singer, not who can sing a blues!

-------------- Original message --------------

> >Bone Walker....! .
> >
> > I know that honky tonk country singers s eem like a stretch, but they were

> > recording and performing for an audience that wanted something else. It's
> > yetanother case of not knowing what people did or wanted to do musically
> > except for recordings that were influenced strongly by marketing. Should
> > we judge Tina Turner or Charlie Rich by their pop singer careers or the
> > stuff they did before they cashed in? Elijah Wald has done a lot of
> > research on this question and has some provacative but really
> > commonsensical ideas.
> >
> > BTW, the Stones, IMHO, went down hill from the time they stopped being an
> > R & B cover band. Mick Jagger is a (technically) lousy singer who makes
> > up for it with attitude. He looks like someone with a neurological
> > disorder (no disrespect to people who really do) on stage. Not everyone
> > agrees with me on that one.

> ! >

> > "Never heard no horses singing them."--attributed to Big Bill Broonzy
> > about "folk songs"
> >
> > edward wrote:
> >> I must live in a vacuum... alas poor Orick, I knew him well... Granted,
> >> that Muddy wasn't white, but he was one of only a few people listed here
> >> as being a "Blues Singer" Most of the people depicted, were artists who
> >> may have released a few 12 bar blues songs on some of their albums, or
> >> they are soulful country artists or R n B singers with good voices, but
> >> not blues singers....
> >>
> >> In my mind, a blues singer isn't in a rock band and loves blues. He is
> >> in a blues band, or he is a solo artist who is compelled to sing these
> >> blues...because of the subtleties of the form. It is a suit that fits

> >> the artist, and he wears it. God! bless the Rock and Rollers who covered

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> There are people who are blues singers and those that aren't.... no matter
> how much you may want them to be... they know who they are and they will
> let you know... no matter if they also did songs that were not blues per
> se.
>
> and we are talking about blues singers here!
>
> Buddy Guy is a blues singer, but because he did a cover of Mustang Sally,
> does that make that song a blues song. NO NO NO it makes it a blues
> artist interpretation of a blues song etc etc etc.


The only singer who fit the description as originally set- white male
blues singers that I like is Jack Teagarden. And it could be said
that he wasn't a blues singer, rather that he was a singer who included
blues in his work. He wasn't so limited...

One of the white guys I have enjoyed not yet mentioned is Paul
DeLay. He sometimes sounds like he's about to burst into tears
as he sings. I doubt if it's a put-on, I suspect that's simply how
he sounds.

But to Ed's point- to sell records, to earn a living, a lot of very
fine artists have done just about anything. Or so say the folk
who heard them.

Didn't Blind Willie McTell do "Paddlin Madeline Home"? Someone
out of that era did and I have in on a Document collection.

But there were and are singers who can make a blues out of anything.
Bessie Smith did "Alexander's Ragtime Band" and it's more blues
than dozens of other singers did with their best blues. But Bessie
could do the Ave Maria and it would have been bent all to Hell
to make it sound like blues. That was Bessie.

Consider all those street musicians who have huge repetoires in
everything from religious songs to musical theater numbers to
blues to country etc. And quite a few of them did blues as part
of their living.

Something I keep saying is that we'll never know is what those
early performers really sounded like. A&R men tended to focus
the artists on things they, the A&R people thought would sell to
a target audience and even though Robert Johnson may have had
a lot of contemporary pop in his "book", he never recorded any
of it.

In any event, how many respected artists would up building a
career singing or playing things that have nothing to do with what
they really wanted to do? Fats Waller really wanted to be a classical
organist and worshipped Bach. He bacame one of America's best
loved pop songwriters and jazz piano players.

Fred D.

Fred Dabney

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Nov 12, 2005, 6:43:38 PM11/12/05
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> This string is getting ridiculous! It's not about who's white or black or
> whatever, it's not about being a "blues singer" or country or whatever.
> People, IT"S ABOUT THE MUSIC!!!!!!!!! If a song or a performer moves you,
> if the performance or song stays in your head all day, if it makes you
> laugh or cry, that's what it's about, period!

Which is what I keep saying.

Why do people have to first categorize things as being "blues" or
"non-blues" before
only then moving on to is it any good?

Fred D.

Joel Fritz

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Nov 12, 2005, 7:07:27 PM11/12/05
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I think it was Kokomo Arnold who did "Paddlin' Madeline Home." Willie
McTell did a 32 bar song about King Edward and Wallis Simpson that more
or less used the chords to "I Got Rhythm." His "Dying Crapshooter's
Blues," not a blues, is based loosely on "St. James Infirmiry" but has a
complex structure and a very non blues chord progression.

--

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Nov 12, 2005, 7:18:49 PM11/12/05
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That is true enough in general, but this is not "general list"

edward

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Nov 12, 2005, 7:22:53 PM11/12/05
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Many a rock and roll song has a basis in the blues...and because it is
formwise akin to the blues....

It was a chestnut for oldies bands forever, but didn't become the blues club
cliche song until Buddy did it.

Leonard Watkins

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Nov 12, 2005, 7:44:50 PM11/12/05
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What is blues..? I dunno anymore.
LW

Fred Dabney

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Nov 12, 2005, 8:01:02 PM11/12/05
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>I think it was Kokomo Arnold who did "Paddlin' Madeline Home." Willie
> McTell did a 32 bar song about King Edward and Wallis Simpson that more
> or less used the chords to "I Got Rhythm." His "Dying Crapshooter's
> Blues," not a blues, is based loosely on "St. James Infirmiry" but has a
> complex structure and a very non blues chord progression.

Right. I looked it up in my library.

The King Edward episode was a popular theme, and was covered
in both vintage Calypso songs as well as varous pop and blues numbers.

Something we tend to forget is that a lot of blues incorporated
then-current news stories. Some topical songs were intended
to parody or make fun of the events, others were much akin
to the various minstrel numbers that served to entertain but
also spread news into isolated areas.

Columbia's "Roots and Blues" collections included one called
"News and the Blues" and that's what it's all about.

Jerry Cunningham

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Ben Andrews


On 11/11/05, HAS...@aol.com <HAS...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> In a message dated 11/11/05 3:13:32 PM, ChicagoB...@aol.com writes:
>

> << 1. Kim Wilson
> 2. Sugar Ray
> 3. Curtis Salgado
> 3. Sean Costello
> 4. Tad Robinson
>
> Who else? >>
>

> Darrell Nulisch
> Lee McBee
> Mitch Palmer
> Mitch Kashmar
> I wouldn't think Sean Costello that great a singer(IMHO)
> HB

E Willett

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Nov 12, 2005, 9:21:42 PM11/12/05
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I saw Leon Russell a couple-three years ago...because Richard Johnston was opening for him. Loved Richard, enjoyed Leon. With a voice like Leon's, age doesn't detract much. I don't usually do '60's-'70's "nostalgia" acts, though. seeing how old they're getting reminds me how old I'm getting!
George

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From: Michele Lundeen<mailto:luck...@msn.com>
To: BLU...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG<mailto:BLU...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers


Ya know, I agree about no Clapton. I told ya I was getting carried away!

I used to really dig Leon Russell .
(a lot of folks' lists are sure all over the place)
It's cool to see everyone's ideas... a few new introductions to take another
look at.

Michele Lundeen
www.michelelundeen.com<http://www.michelelundeen.com/>
________________________________________
From: E Willett [mailto:unkl...@msn.com]
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 4:11 PM
To: Michele Lundeen; BLU...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG<mailto:BLU...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>


Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers

I have to take exception to Clapton. I think he's worked very hard to
become an acceptable singer, to go along with his gifted guitar work....like
him a lot, not a great singer.
George


----- Original Message -----
From: Michele Lundeen
To: BLU...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG<mailto:BLU...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 6:03 PM
Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers

Huh? Well, a few of you were only looking at only the subject line...
'cause while Bonnie Bramlett is surely one amazing singer, one of my favs...
she ain't no male... nor is Miz Wanda Jackson or Timi Yuro (Rosemarie
Timotea Aurro)

WHO ARE THE BEST NON-Black Male BLUES SINGERS you ask
Well, I got myself carried away
Curtis Salgado probably the top of my list...
I would also include
Delbert McClinton (of course)
Coco Montoya
Jeff Healy
Eric Clapton
Johnny Winter
Rick Estrin
Studebaker John
Mike Morgan (Mike Morgan & The Crawl)
Lloyd Jones
William Topley
Jonny Lang (oh, stop it... I think his voice has soul)

Michele Lundeen
www.michelelundeen.com<http://www.michelelundeen.com/>

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bluesfantom
Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 2:29 PM
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Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers

> Taking a Poll:
>
> WHO ARE THE BEST NON-Black Male BLUES SINGERS.

Bonnie Bramlett
Timi Yuro (sadly passed, but what a voice)
Wanda Jackson

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I reviewed a Mike Morgan & The Crawl CD a while ago. I don't remember the name, but it had two or three Hounddog Taylor tunes on it. I pretty much panned Mike's vocals.

George
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Sent: Friday, November 11, 2005 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers


Someone submitted this name:


>Mike Morgan (Mike Morgan & The Crawl)

Now there's one I didn't expect to see. He is improving, but is he among the
"best?" I don't hear it that way, but what do I know. Blacktop turned down
Zuzu Bollin's album because they decided his vocals were weak, while I
thought they were great.
chuck

Sandor Gulyas

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Nov 12, 2005, 9:24:16 PM11/12/05
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Buddy Guy = Blues artist
Mustang Sally = Blues song
Buddy Guy + Mustang Sally = a blues artist interpretation of a blues song
?????
So what is so different about "Mustang Sally" as compared to "I put a spell on you?"
(other than Mustang Sally has been played a billion times more than spell on you)

Sandor Gulyas
Graduate Student - Louisiana St. University
Dept. of Geography & Anthropology

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E Willett

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This DID start with male singers, correct?
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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 1:05 AM
Subject: Best White Blues Singers


My turn:)

Darrell Nulisch
Greg Allman best of ALL
Lee McBee
James Hunter
Ian Seigel
Boz Scaggs
Zola Moon
Roxy Perry
Robin Banks
Angeli Strehli
More tomorrow....

Stephen M. McClaning

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----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Dabney
To: BLU...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers

> This string is getting ridiculous! It's not about who's white or black or
> whatever, it's not about being a "blues singer" or country or whatever.
> People, IT"S ABOUT THE MUSIC!!!!!!!!! If a song or a performer moves you,
> if the performance or song stays in your head all day, if it makes you

> laugh or cry, that's what it's about, period!

Which is what I keep saying.

Why do people have to first categorize things as being "blues" or
"non-blues" before
only then moving on to is it any good?

Fred D.


Because this a blues music list, so non blues music topics are discouraged?
Just a guess.

Sandor Gulyas
Graduate Student - Louisiana St. University
Dept. of Geography & Anthropology

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E Willett

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Alas, poor Oreck..He sucks, oh well!
George

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Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2005 4:00 PM
Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers

Hmm, Ed--looks like you've gotten familiar with vacuuming! i.e., Oreck as opposed to Alas, Poor Yorick. A little levity...

Deb

edward <mor...@charter.net<mailto:mor...@charter.net>> wrote:I must live in a vacuum... alas poor Orick, I knew him well... Granted,

that Muddy wasn't white, but he was one of only a few people listed here as
being a "Blues Singer" Most of the people depicted, were artists who may
have released a few 12 bar blues songs on some of their albums, or they are
soulful country artists or R n B singers with good voices, but not blues
singers....

In my mind, a blues singer isn't in a rock band and loves blues. He is in
a blues band, or he is a solo artist who is compelled to sing these
blues...because of the subtleties of the form. It is a suit that fits the
artist, and he wears it. God bless the Rock and Rollers who covered blues
songs, but they are rock and rollers...
The greatest Rock and Roll band in the world, "The Rolling Stones" love the
blues and going by the criteria displayed on this "Blues" list, Mick would
be the king of the blues in some minds, but he isn't!

Ed Vhttp://www.edvadasblues.com/

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I don't think anyone is saying if it isn't blues ...it isn't good! I just
think we cut a wide swarth here, that allows pretty much any person whoever
choked over the words to a 12 bar, be considered for Blues Artist of the
Year. I just don't by it. It disappoints me.

Ed V...
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edward

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Nov 12, 2005, 10:47:41 PM11/12/05
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I miswrote ...it should have said

Buddy Guy is a blues singer, but because he did a cover of Mustang Sally,
does that make that song a blues song. NO NO NO it makes it a blues artist
interpretation of a top 40 song etc etc etc.

Ed V...

Sandor Gulyas

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Nov 12, 2005, 11:33:03 PM11/12/05
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Ah!
That makes more sense now.

Fred Dabney

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Nov 12, 2005, 11:51:44 PM11/12/05
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>I don't think anyone is saying if it isn't blues ...it isn't good!

Two points here. I agree not everyone takes this approach,
but there are those who do, and many if not most are those
who prefer blues on the rock side.

> I just think we cut a wide swarth here, that allows pretty much any person
> whoever choked over the words to a 12 bar, be considered for Blues Artist
> of the Year. I just don't by it. It disappoints me.

Can't argue against that!

eli marcus

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Nov 13, 2005, 1:02:15 AM11/13/05
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Josh WHITE?
Barry WHITE?

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bright moments and keep
searchin' for your mystery note
on the universal piano of life"
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eli marcus

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Tony Joe WHITE?

Terence McArdle

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In a message dated 11/13/05 12:10:55 AM Eastern Standard Time,
LIST...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG writes:

<< Actually Ed, I would classify Mustang Sally as a blues song. The
components are the same. It is 12 bars with a repeating first line. it
is a song about a frustrated man, singing about his woman that loves her

car more than him...that's blues... If you slow it down to a 6/8 ballad,

it's really blues. Rufus Thomas covered it and he was definetly blues.

Its about as overplayed a song as you can find. But it is also about as
letter perfect an AAB blues lyric as you can find.



<<ps, Buddy Guy butchered the song imo.
>>

Thank you. I'm not wild about his version of Trouble Man either.

Tom Hyslop

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At 8:01 AM +0200 11/13/05, eli marcus wrote:
>Josh WHITE?
>Barry WHITE?
>
>--
>Eli Marcus
>www.BluesForPeace.com/eli.htm

Thanks, Eli, your comment reminds me of an old joke from the '70s
(don't remember whose observation it was):

We have

Barry WHITE
Al GREEN
Vida BLUE
James BROWN...

...and Karen BLACK.

Where are all the brothas and sistas who are Black???

tom

PS: It's been a long time and I may have forgotten, but I don't
remember, thinking to my spectrum, ANY human beings with the surnames
Orange, Yellow, Indigo, Red, or Violet. (If you, gentle reader, do,
please fill in the blanks to support the joke).

PPS: To complete the blues content, the exception to the rule is
Eddie C. Campbell's late and lamented bass player, Willie BLACK,
incontestably a great African-American.

c. n.

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Nov 13, 2005, 3:02:21 AM11/13/05
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>Columbia's "Roots and Blues" collections included one called
>"News and the Blues" and that's what it's all about.

So, looks like it wasn't the Hokey-Pokey after all. . .
chuck www.thebluesandthensome.blogspot.com

Hippi...@aol.com

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Hi, everyone! Long time no post.

Just had to jump in on this one....

How about WILLIE NELSON? Good Lord, I love that man...

OK, back to lurk mode,

Beverly :-)

c. n.

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Nov 13, 2005, 8:10:07 AM11/13/05
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>From: Tom Hyslop <rock...@portup.com>

>Thanks, Eli, your comment reminds me of an old joke from the '70s (don't
>remember whose observation it was):
>
>We have
>
>Barry WHITE
>Al GREEN
>Vida BLUE
>James BROWN...
>
>...and Karen BLACK.
>
>Where are all the brothas and sistas who are Black???
>
>tom
>
>PS: It's been a long time and I may have forgotten, but I don't remember,
>thinking to my spectrum, ANY human beings with the surnames Orange, Yellow,
>Indigo, Red, or Violet. (If you, gentle reader, do, please fill in the
>blanks to support the joke).

Well, there was the RJ blues film buff, Tater RED. . .but more quailfied
would be
Louisiana RED, or even Guitar RED.
chuck

c. n.

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Nov 13, 2005, 8:17:43 AM11/13/05
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In Mike's defense, he has gotten much better than when he recorded that last
record. imo. Who knows, if he keeps it up, he might get pretty good at it.
I saw SRV go through it, and he ended up
a decent vocalist. Again, just imo.
chuck

>From: "E Willett" <unkl...@msn.com>
>I reviewed a Mike Morgan & The Crawl CD a while ago. I don't remember the
>name, but it had two or three Hounddog Taylor tunes on it. I pretty much
>panned Mike's vocals.
> George
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: c. n.<mailto:cne...@hotmail.com>
> Someone submitted this name:
> >Mike Morgan (Mike Morgan & The Crawl)
>
> Now there's one I didn't expect to see. He is improving, but is he among
>the
> "best?" I don't hear it that way, but what do I know. Blacktop turned
>down
> Zuzu Bollin's album because they decided his vocals were weak, while I
> thought they were great.
> chuck

Leonard Watkins

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Nov 13, 2005, 9:19:49 AM11/13/05
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That is true. Having recently seen MM. I was shocked at how well he sang. I
had heard his CDs without Mcbee singing/blowin and it was not very good.
Like me many blues fans expected bad/strained vocals. What we got were
decent vocals and a pretty good show. Obviously not in Lee Mcbee's league
but a surprisingly good show.
It was not as good as seeing them with Mcbee of course but good enough to
where I'd go see MM again.

Big improvement over the CD I heard which was a long time ago.

LW


----- Original Message -----
From: "c. n." <cne...@hotmail.com>
To: <BLU...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 7:17 AM
Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers

Steven Harnar

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Nov 13, 2005, 9:56:48 AM11/13/05
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Tony Joe White
Betty White
"Slappy' White

Fred Dabney

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Nov 13, 2005, 11:00:15 PM11/13/05
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Here's a name probably no more that one or two of you will have even
heard of.

He was from New Orleans, and in his real life was a locally noted
heart surgeon. He played decent guitar but mostly played as a
rhythm guitarist with the New Orleans jazz revival bands behind
folk like Johnny Wiggs.

But his singing! No way "Bel Canto". There was a standing joke
that when recording engineers heard the playbacks they started looking
for blown components.

He was Doc Souchon, and he growled out the blues with the best
of them. He dropped dead one night while singing "Bill Bailey"
which seems to be appropriate.

Besides things like Atlanta Blues, aka "Make Me a Pallet on the
Floor" he did things like "She Keeps it Up" and "Postman's Lament"
as well as old barrroom and vaudeville numbers.

Marvellous performer. Dick W, did you ever hear him?

Fred D.

Fred Dabney

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Nov 13, 2005, 11:03:18 PM11/13/05
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> Well, there was the RJ blues film buff, Tater RED. . .but more quailfied
> would be
> Louisiana RED, or even Guitar RED.

How can you forget Tampa Red? And "Violet" is a girl's name,
common enough that surely there was/is a female singer named that.

A trio of jazz musicans did an album, and they were Red Mitchell,
Whitey Mitchel and Blue Mitchell.

Fred D.

Dick Waterman

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Nov 13, 2005, 11:15:34 PM11/13/05
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In a message dated 11/13/05 10:00:28 PM, fda...@nmsu.edu writes:


>
> He was Doc Souchon, and he growled out the blues with the best
> of them.  He dropped dead one night while singing "Bill Bailey"
> which seems to be appropriate.
>
> Besides things like Atlanta Blues, aka "Make Me a Pallet on the
> Floor" he did things like "She Keeps it Up" and "Postman's Lament"
> as well as old barrroom and vaudeville numbers.
>
> Marvellous performer.  Dick W, did you ever hear him?
>

No, sir, I have not.

But if he was going to die onstage doing a New Orleans standard, it should
have been "St. James Infirmary."

Dick Waterman
Oxford, MS
www.dickwaterman.com

Michele Lundeen

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Nov 13, 2005, 11:24:54 PM11/13/05
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Well... I have learned several things since recently joining BLUES-L and one
is... I should pay better attention when posting (duh) and also... a lot of
youse guys really know your stuff in general when it comes to Blues... and
that's a good thing.

I do stand corrected on my original Mike Morgan entry as a "best
vocalist"... I've played their '91 "Mighty Fine Dancin" countless times
since the early 90's... even used to throw it on during our breaks 'cause of
it's cool groove, but, it was Lee McBee I meant to list as a vocalist... not
Mike. Had I had the pleasure of ever seeing them live or at least tuned into
the CD credits better, I would have remembered before spouting off.
And as far as being the "best"... as we know, everything's subjective. I
think this has been a fun and informative post (for the most part). Sorry
it's irritated some of you. It's introduced me to some names/info that I'll
investigate further and that's a positive in my book.

Michele Lundeen
www.michelelundeen.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Blues Music List [mailto:BLU...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG] On Behalf Of c.
n.
Sent: Sunday, November 13, 2005 5:18 AM
To: BLU...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG
Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers

Fred Dabney

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> No, sir, I have not.

> But if he was going to die onstage doing a New Orleans standard, it should
> have been "St. James Infirmary."

He may have been a bit before your time.

But the story I heard was that he was at home with friends playing
and singing.

There should be a few of his records on Southland if you care.

Fred D.

Tom Hyslop

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Nov 14, 2005, 1:52:56 AM11/14/05
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At 9:03 PM -0700 11/13/05, Fred Dabney wrote:
>>Well, there was the RJ blues film buff, Tater RED. . .but more
>>quailfied would be
>>Louisiana RED, or even Guitar RED.
>
>How can you forget Tampa Red? And "Violet" is a girl's name,
>common enough that surely there was/is a female singer named that.
>
>A trio of jazz musicans did an album, and they were Red Mitchell,
>Whitey Mitchel and Blue Mitchell.
>
>Fred D.

I was looking for surnames, per the original joke. I repeat: Anyone
know anyone named "Fred Red" (e.g.)? Nicknames are not fair game.

Joel Fritz

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Nov 14, 2005, 1:57:58 AM11/14/05
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There were brother and sister Vi and Freddy Redd, both jazz players.
She was a reed player, not a singer.

--

Hear Barrelhouse Solly--that's me--on the web.
http://www.soundclick.com/barrelhousesolly

And now...What everyone's been clamoring for, pictures of the cats.
http://ratemykitten.com/my/?gallery=willie_mctell

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c. n.

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Nov 14, 2005, 2:23:29 AM11/14/05
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>From: Michele Lundeen <luck...@msn.com>

>I do stand corrected on my original Mike Morgan entry as a "best
>vocalist"... I've played their '91 "Mighty Fine Dancin" countless times
>since the early 90's... even used to throw it on during our breaks 'cause
>of
>it's cool groove, but, it was Lee McBee I meant to list as a vocalist...
>not
>Mike.

Hey, no biggie....I'm on board with Lee being among the best!

BTW, little known fact about "Mighty Fine Dancin." The title came from DFW
area guitarist Robin Syler, who frequently (during the coarse of a set) used
it as a casual reference after playing live numbers that would cause people
to pack the dance floor.

Mike heard him use it, liked it, and decided to name his record that. I
know, because I asked Mike directly, and he told me as much. I'd also
venture to guess if you were to ask Mike about what was one of the more mind
blowing live sets he's ever seen, and throw Robin Syler @ Schooners (in
Dallas) in the early 90s at him, his face would light up, and he'd say,
"How'd you hear about that one?!" I know, we were both there....and he came
up to me right afterwords, commenting that he almost couldn't believe what
he just saw and heard. I was just as awed, btw. chuck

jon mcdonald

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Nov 14, 2005, 4:42:07 AM11/14/05
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I'm surprised no one have considered Roy Head or a gentleman whose last name was Cochran. The name of his ( Cochran ) back up band was called the "CC Riders". BTW, does anyone know of their whereabouts ? My two personal favorites are Tom Jones and Elvis Presley. Not so much that they tried to sound "black", but it was based on what sounded believable. Works for me.


Jon McDonald

Leonard Watkins

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Nov 14, 2005, 8:29:02 AM11/14/05
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Raw and Ready & MFD are both really fine recordings. One of my favorite
blues shows was them at Skippers in Tampa. It was raining, lively crowd and
perfect for blues.
LW

Mike Lattrell

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Nov 14, 2005, 9:34:54 AM11/14/05
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HANK WILLIAMS

Walter Potter

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Nov 14, 2005, 11:38:19 AM11/14/05
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That's Wayne Cochran & the CC Riders. What a wild act that was! Wayne is now a preacher in Dade County Florida.
--
maxdog


> I'm surprised no one have considered Roy Head or a gentleman whose last name was
> Cochran. The name of his ( Cochran ) back up band was called the "CC Riders".
> BTW, does anyone know of their whereabouts ? My two personal favorites are Tom
> Jones and Elvis Presley. Not so much that they tried to sound "black", but it
> was based on what sounded believable. Works for me.
>
>
> Jon McDonald
>

c. n.

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Nov 14, 2005, 12:18:42 PM11/14/05
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Big Joe Louis...despite being British!
Little George Suref.
chuck

c. n.

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Nov 14, 2005, 12:45:01 PM11/14/05
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"In order to shake a hypothesis, it is sometimes not necessary to do
anything more than push it as far as it will go."
~Denis Diderot

Leonard Watkins

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Nov 14, 2005, 5:40:14 PM11/14/05
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When they chose to sing blues, Boz Scaggs, Joe Cocker
and Doc Watson.

Rory Block seen her sing acapella gave me goose bumps
LW

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Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers

E Willett

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Last I heard, Wayne was in Miami, but that was (maybe) 10 years ago...
George

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Sent: Monday, November 14, 2005 4:42 AM
Subject: Re: Best White Blues Singers

I'm surprised no one have considered Roy Head or a gentleman whose last name was Cochran. The name of his ( Cochran ) back up band was called the "CC Riders". BTW, does anyone know of their whereabouts ? My two personal favorites are Tom Jones and Elvis Presley. Not so much that they tried to sound "black", but it was based on what sounded believable. Works for me.


Jon McDonald

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