Re: Sweet (?) sixteen
Patrick Hertel
On Tuesday 14 April 2009 13:03:47 Walter Potter wrote:
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Fernando Toral" <fto...@mecon.gov.ar>
>
> To the Blues-L moms: is it possible to check the exact date each one of
> us had joined to the list? I believe I did so around 1995, but I can't
> recall it now.
>
> Fernando Toral
> Argentina
>
> According to the listserv you joined on 16 Mar 2005.
>
> The date will not be accurate for everybody. I think it only goes back to
> 2003. It show me as joining in 2003 and I know that's not right.
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Terry Forche
I am sure that I joined close to the beginning. I have just been off and on over the years.
terry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Walter Potter" <cyber...@comcast.net>
To: BLU...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 1:03:47 PM GMT -05:00 US/Canada Eastern
Subject: Re: Sweet (?) sixteen
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fernando Toral" <fto...@mecon.gov.ar>
To the Blues-L moms: is it possible to check the exact date each one of
us had joined to the list? I believe I did so around 1995, but I can't
recall it now.
Fernando Toral
Argentina
According to the listserv you joined on 16 Mar 2005.
The date will not be accurate for everybody. I think it only goes back to 2003. It show me as joining in 2003 and I know that's not right.
--
Walter
Deb Lubin
Deb
--- On Tue, 4/14/09, Walter Potter <cyber...@comcast.net> wrote:
Barbara Hammerman
>
> Is=A02003 when the list moved from Brown?=A0 Then we all began anew.
> Deb
> =A0
>
Then there are likely to be many of us who joined in '95 who signed off
during one or another of the infamous flame wars that jammed the inbox with
silliness and worse. Then, being recidivists, we of course quickly re-upped
at some point, so that may have skewed any records that exist.
Ahhhh! The blues-L genealogy chart!
'Twould make the Wuthering Heights diagram seem positively simple!
Toez
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Jimmy Jacobs
server is probably not accurate. It indicates that I joined the list in May
of 2005, and I'm pretty sure that is not correct. I found Blues L during
some research on a case in which I was trying to help someone get their
royalties. That was in late 2003. I know that I read online for a while
before signing on, but I don't think it was that long.
My guess is that the L is likely the oldest blues-oriented list on the web
that is still running. Anyone know whether that might be true or not??
Eliot Williams
Eliot Williams
Department of Medicine
University of Wisconsin
will...@medicine.wisc.edu
>>> Jimmy Jacobs <jake...@gmail.com> 4/14/2009 3:30 PM >>>
My guess is that the L is likely the oldest blues-oriented list on the web
that is still running. Anyone know whether that might be true or not??
____________________________________________
HISTORY OF THE LIST IN ITS VARIOUS INCARNATIONS
The original Blues Mailing List was started by Steve Greer out of his
personal e-mail account at Grove City College. All entries were sent
to him and he would personally compile a digest every day and send it
out. This was in late October of 1992.
Around the February of 1993, Steve's e-mail access took a nosedive.
Fortunately, at the time Valerie Polichar at University of California
in San Diego offered to take over control of the list, and a more
efficient, (and less time intensive for the operator) form of the list
started up around March 1, 1993.
Then around April 15, 1993, the current version of BLUES-L was
started. Jake Haller was the instigator and he was not aware of the
ucsd list. A message was posted on the ucsd, and since the Brown list
seemed to have more traffic, everyone moved over to the new list.
Jake lost e-mail with his graduation over the summer of 1993, and the
list has been run unofficially by nameless people at Brown.
MORE ON THE HISTORY FROM THE CREATOR OF BLUES-L
From: Jake <ST10...@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU>
My real interest in the blues started in Freshman year of college.
As fate would have it, this is also when I became exposed to the Net.
Time went by; my interest in and knowledge of both became more intense,
until finally, the question popped into my head: "Why isn't there a
newsgroup or mailing list devoted to blues?" (Little did I know that
there was one already. Oh well...it is in these ways that legends are
born...)
By this stage, I was familiar enough with Brown's computer systems to
know what to do: I mailed the person in charge of Brown's LISTSERV
and asked her to create the list. She obliged, and the rest is history.
Blues-L and I have gone through a lot together...there was the incident
where my account was deleted for a year, causing all the Blues-L mail
that was being bounced to me to be bounced to my friendly neighborhood
sysadmin. (Whoops!) And more frequently the traffic, and the fact that
the type of blues I'm primarily interested in doesn't appear to be what
people want to talk about, has caused me to stop reading it altogether.
Still, I feel that the BLUES-L experiment was a successful one, and I'm
glad to have contributed to its existence.
-Jacob Haller
Listowner, Late of Blues-L
Leonard Watkins
LW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Terry Odor" <tl...@hotmail.com>
To: <BLU...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG>
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2009 9:07 AM
Subject: Re: Sweet (?) sixteen
Happy Birthday Blues-L
Hard to believe I have been reading it almost 16 years,
I'm pretty sure I joined at the end of 1993.
Terry
> Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 09:03:50 -0500
> From: juke...@suddenlink.net
> Subject: Re: Sweet (?) sixteen
> To: BLU...@LISTS.NETSPACE.ORG
>
> Hard to believe... next we'll have to buy her a car and chase off all
> the wrong boys. Congrats on a great 16 years.
> Michael
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 8:42 AM, Eliot Williams wrote:
>
> > This list is sixteen years old today. This was the birth announcement:
> >
> >> From owner-new-list%EDU.NO...@EDU.NODAK.VM1 Wed Apr 14 23:41:11
> >> 1993
> >> Date: Wed, 14 Apr 1993 17:18:18 CDT
> >> Reply-To: ST102315 <ST102315%BITNET....@EDU.NoDak.VM1>
> >> Original-Sender: NEW-LIST - New List Announcements
> >> <NEW-...@EDU.NoDak.VM1>
> >> From: Jacob Haller <ST102315%BITNET....@EDU.NoDak.VM1>
> >> Subject: NEW: BLUES-L@BROWNVM - Blues Music
> >> To: Multiple recipients of list NEW-LIST <NEW-...@EDU.NoDak.VM1>
> >> Sender: owner-new-list%EDU.NO...@EDU.NODAK.VM1
> >>
> >> BLUES-L on LIST...@BROWNVM.BITNET Blues Music
> >> or LIST...@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU
> >>
> >> I have long noticed with surprise that there didn't seem to be a
> >> list
> >> devoted to blues music around. So finally I've done something
> >> about
> >> it. BLUES-L is an unmoderated group for the discussion of blues
> >> music and its performers, from Blind Blake and Charley Patton to
> >> Robert Cray and Stevie Ray Vaughn, as well as related topics people
> >> may think up.
> >>
> >> To sign up enter TELL LISTSERV AT BROWNVM SUB BLUES-L your full
> >> name
> >> from a VM system on BITNET, or send e-mail to LISTSERV@BROWNVM
> >> on BITNET or to LIST...@BROWNVM.BROWN.EDU on the Internet
> >> with the following body:
> >>
> >> SUB BLUES-L your full name
> >>
> >> where "your full name" is your name. You will be signed up and a
> >> list of commands available to you should be sent.
> >>
> >> See you there!
> >>
> >> Owner: Jacob Haller st10...@brownvm.brown.edu
> >
> > Blues-L web site: http://www.netspace.org/~blues-l/
> > Archives & web interface:
> > http://lists.netspace.org/archives/blues-l.html
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> >
> >
> Music is sustenance to a level of consciousness that transcends all
> genres/cultures.
> www.parisbluessociety.com
> http://www.InnocenceProjectOfTexas.Org
>
> MH
>
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P.W. Fenton
> I was here from the git-go left for awhile and came back
That's pretty much my story as well, although I believe you have me
beat by some months.
P.W. Fenton
Hudson, FL
http://BluesLand.Net
Patrick Hertel
that have been?
I also still have the T-Shirt and Sweatshirt not to mention PW's first
(casette) recording. :)
Steve Hoffman
did those of you who were there from the beginning find out about Blues-L?
-Steve Hoffman
Jay Watterworth
joined? I go back to 94 or 95 I think.
Jay
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P.W. Fenton
> Here's an interesting question. (Or at least mildly interesting).
> How did those of you who were there from the beginning find out
> about Blues-L?
> -Steve Hoffman
I had recently obtained Internet access in the pre-World Wide Web days
and I did something called an "Archie search" on the word "blues" . I
got quite a few hits... most of them were "articles" referring to "The
Blues Brothers". But in amongst them I found the instructions on how
to subscribe to an e-mail based group called "Blues-L". It was like
finding the holy grail. :-)
Walter Potter
> Is there any record from the Brown years we could use to determine when
> we joined? I go back to 94 or 95 I think.
>
> Jay
Not that I am aware of. I have printouts of some of the early stuff from
Brown.edu but its the posts, not list info. A detective might be able to
find out when somebody first posted during that time by reading them but
I don't have that sort of time myself.
--
Walter
Keep on keepin' on ...
Walter Potter
> Is 2003 when the list moved from Brown? Then we all began anew.
> Deb
I don't think so but I am awful about remembering dates and times. I
think it was when the listserv was upgraded and that previous info was
lost at that time. But I could be wrong.
--
Walter
Keep on keepin' on ...
Blues-L web site: http://www.netspace.org/~blues-l/
Terry Forche
it seems i just got it from someone, or found it, and joined.
it was a lot wilder back in the day. i would tire of maintaining the list and sign off for a while and then sign back on.
one day i couldnt find it, but my use of the internet had become much better and i was able to locate the brown server.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Steve Hoffman" steveh...@starpower.net
Here's an interesting question. (Or at least mildly interesting). How
did those of you who were there from the beginning find out about Blues-L?
-Steve Hoffman
P.W. Fenton wrote:
> On Apr 14, 2009, at 5:49 PM, Leonard Watkins wrote:
>
>> I was here from the git-go left for awhile and came back
>
> That's pretty much my story as well, although I believe you have me
> beat by some months.
>
>
Blues-L web site: http://www.netspace.org/~blues-l/
Rich Kulawiec
> I suspect that this list in its various incarnations is the oldest blues-oriented list on the web, period.
No, it's not the oldest on the Internet, but it's certainly the
oldest currently-operating, and in my opinion, the most successful.
( Coincidentally, I was working on this message when the thread about
history started. So after a little bit to say about history, I've got
some material in here about archives.)
Now as to history...
Blues-L has become far more successful than anything I thought of when
I started an earlier blues mailing list in 1986, while working at
Purdue University. That list, as well as another aimed at jazz fans
(run by Ken Dykes, University of Waterloo, I believe), were mothballed in
favor of Usenet's rec.music.bluenote -- whose name I thought appropriate
as a thank-you nod toward a well-known venue, but which seems in the
litigious climate of 2009 much more likely to provoke a lawsuit than
"you're welcome" were it to be considered today. In retrospect,
perhaps we should have kept those lists active -- but as with so many
things on the Internet, needs are met as they manifest themselves,
and at the time, it seemed that a Usenet newsgroup was a better choice.
(If you don't know what Usenet is, see the Wikipedia article on it.
It was, and remains, the largest and most successful experiment in
distributed discussion technology ever attempted -- far ahead of
its time.)
And Usenet's distribution technology, when properly used, is actually
a much better fit for things like this -- but "properly used" has been
an increasing problem over the past twenty years, as competent Usenet
admins are now rare. And one outfall of that has been the migration of
some newsgroup populations back to mailing lists -- thus exchanging the
problem set associated with NNTP for that associated with SMTP.
What a long, strange trip it's been.
For the historical record, the original members of that 1986-87 list were:
gidi%wisdom...@wiscvm.wisc.edu Gideon Avrahami
decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-mtblue!bottom_david Dave Bottom
decwrl!dec-akov68!boyajian Jerry Boyajian
cs.bu...@r20.utexas.edu Gael Buckley
davi...@ge-crd.arpa Bill Davidsen
ihnp4!watmath!watbun!kgdykes Ken Dykes
ihnp4!watmath!wateng!djhawley David John Hawley
caip!seismo!mcvax!jack Jack Jansen
r...@j.cc.purdue.edu Rich Kulawiec
ihnp4!jhunix!ins_alal Laurah Limbrick
decvax!masscomp!charla Charla Mustard-Foote
ric...@ernie.berkeley.edu Jean Richter
ihnp4!watmath!watdcsu!shen1 Keith Rowe
decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-fremen!ryan Mike Ryan
sim...@sonoma.stanford.edu Richard Simoni
decvax!decwrl!dec-rhea!dec-latour!kstevens K. Stevens
ihnp4!ho95e!srt Steve Tate
ihnp4!druil!lat Larry Tepper
e...@ingres.berkeley.edu Grady Toss
decvax!linus!cv Chris J. Valas
Most of you have probably never seen email addresses like that, involving
UUCP ("!") and source routing ("%"), and domains ending in .arpa -- as the
migration to today's domain naming system of .com and .net and so on
was in-progress at the time. <chuckle> It wasn't just as simple as
user@domain back then; you often had to specify the delivery route
explicitly, as many of the addresses with multiple !'s illustrate.
I don't know if it was the first one: we certainly thought it was. The
collective experience of that group reached back into the 1970's (mine
stops at 1980) so I think it's fairly safe to say that *if* there was
an earlier one, it managed to elude the relatively small population of
blues fans online at the time.
But it only lasted about a year -- I think the jazz list made it through
two years -- because, as I said, we thought a Usenet newsgroup would
work better. And for quite a few years, it did. So, in keeping with
the frugal mindset of the time, it made no sense to have both around.
Anyway...I congratulate all of you. Mailing lists succeed in part
because of the stewardship of their owners, but in nearly 30 years
online (yipes!) I've never seen one succeed *only* because of its
owners. It takes a vibrant community of contributors to make that
happen. That would be: you. I myself lurk nearly all the time
now -- this may be my first post on this list this century -- but that
doesn't mean I'm not reading, and learning, and enjoying.
Now as to the archive:
I've put together an archive of the blues-l mailing list.
The archive covers roughly 1993-2008. It contains about 315,900 messages.
It's in 16 files (totaling about 228 MBytes) and uncompresses to roughly
a gigabyte. Each file is in standard Unix "mbox" format -- which can be
read by nearly anything and can be converted to nearly anything. Each has
been compressed with gzip, which can also be handled by nearly anything.
I've made *some* effort to place messages in the correct file by the year
in which they were sent, but don't count on it: wacky message timestamps
as well as sloppiness in date handling around December 31/January 1 as
well as fumble-fingering by me could easily result in misfiling.
The archives probably aren't complete. Internet mail is based on
SMTP, which is a "best-effort" protocol, so delivery of messages isn't
guaranteed. If anyone is interested in trying to construct a complete
archive by combining multiple sources, I can help with that -- there are
a number of useful Unix/Linux tools which can be use to merge mailboxes,
detect/remove duplicates and so on. I haven't made any attempt to edit
these archives, other than to cull duplicates.
So if one or more of the keepers-of-the-list-and-its-archives would
like to get in touch, I'd be happy to make these available.
And finally: I advise you to buy as many Duke Tumatoe records as you can. ;-)
---Rsk
Eliot Williams
Is there any record from the Brown years we could use to determine when we
joined? I go back to 94 or 95 I think.
Jay
_______________________________________________
It used to be possible to query the listserver and get a list of subscribers. Not sure if you can still do that.
Here's the result from April 1993, about 10 days after the list started up:
Peter Lambly
Chris Webster
Rick Giles
Rob Hutten
Steve Davis
Oded Maron
Richard Duffy
Felonious J. Cubensis
Naftali Keren
K. K. Miller
Doug Simpson
Eric C. Shoaf
Angus Nesbit
Mary Hernandez
Sameer Goyal
Noam Weinstein
Nick Nefedow
Larry Hartsfield
Clint Pulley
Rajendra Singh
David Pimmel
Robert Mark Juranitch
Clay Evans
Jim Kirby
Andy Humberston
Steve Riskin
Leland Ho
Charles Crook
Bob Crispen
CW Anderson
Roy "SRV" Germon
Scott Schwartz
David Seay
Denize Tan
Ulrich Bartling
Jeff Seale
Eliot Williams
Peter Scott
Elliott Butler-Evans
James B. Smith
Gary Haggerty
Mike Hutchinson
Dan Kuta
John William Miller
Michele Sanchez
Mike Downing
John Morgan
Tom Testagrossa
William Quimby
Harriet Ottenheimer
Catherine Cozzarelli
Michael Woolson
Alexander VanZon
Lisa Kalem
Chris Tomer
Paul Heroy
Sonia Kovitz
Randye Jones
Kevin Jordan
George Boziwick
Noel Lackey
Michael J. Maddox
Bill Benoit
George Petersen
Michael Procter
Dave Kaufman
Carol Walton
Geoff Knight
Arthur R. McGee
Chuck Stringer
Edwin Yohe
Dale Beaubien
Dan Morone
Erik Jul
Jack N. Ely
Charles Sawyer
Christopher Adams
James Carmin
Tim McAlice
Shari Landes
Bob Unger
Roger Maynard
John Clemens
Jeffry Warvel
Ken Ficara
David S. Rotenstein
Harold Brubaker
Steve Carlson
Jim Ross
James Miller
Aart-Jan van Amerongen
James Labiak
Monthian Buntan
George Martin
Lindel Holden
Bruce Wilson
Melissa McMillian-Cunningham
Tina Frederick
Leonard Watkins
CB Lih
Michael May
Daniel Neil Allen
Fred Bail
Alan R. Lunt
Dom Maddalone
Richard Murphy
John Mintier
Marguerite Floyd
Randal Baier
Warren Steel
Ronald Balko
John Armstrong
G Ringer
Doumen Jan
Randy Harris
Steven H. Bard.
Steve Fullmer
Toby Zabinski
Kirk Allen
Jeff Seale
been.
But I'm not a FORMER list member. Still lurking, but it's good to see some
of my fellow oldtimers still around here!
-Jeff
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Eliot Williams
<will...@medicine.wisc.edu>wrote:
> Blues-L web site: http://www.netspace.org/~blues-l/<http://www.netspace.org/%7Eblues-l/>