Vaccines
SJGL...@aol.com
<< I certainly can not give specific names or case histories. But I know
that
I have read somewhere (hard telling where, since I have read so much on
autism) that in ancient times in some tribes, these children were considered
to be either gods or children of gods. Seems these people believed that this
was the reason they did not choose to socialize with mere mortals. I'm
positive that there were no vaccines then.>>
Autism is most likely not a single cause disorder. So while vaccines did not
cause autism prior to their mass introduction, it does not mean they do not
play a role. If vaccines were not a problem, then why do some autistic kids
have highly unusual titre levels, both low and high?
I do see the benefits of vaccines, however, there needs to be more research
done as to why kids are suffering from them so that a screening tool can be
developed. Unfortunately the government and medical community is keeping
their heads in the sand on this one, which results from a lack of confidence
on the part of parents whose children were negatively affected by the
vaccines.
And while I buy the benefits of vaccines for the deadly diseases, what about
things like chickenpox, mumps, etc? Do we really need to vaccinate our
kids for that???
Tammy whose husband had the measles two years ago and is still alive to
tell the story!!
Jennie Ladew
>Autism is most likely not a single cause disorder. So while vaccines did not
>cause autism prior to their mass introduction, it does not mean they do not
>play a role. If vaccines were not a problem, then why do some autistic kids
>have highly unusual titre levels, both low and high?
>
My thought is what came first? Do some children with autism and related
disorders, PDD/NOS, Aspbergers, LKS, etc, have unusual titres in reaction to
the vaccinations themselves or is something already screwy that makes the
vaccination react differently or cause other problems? Apparently there is
no way to tell. My other daughters had the same shots and are fine.
Isaac had no problems with vaccinations when he was younger that I am aware
of, however I often wonder if there is any connection to the booster shot
done for Kindergarten and the insideous downhill slide regression and
following months of deterioration the next two years and then eventually the
LKS addition to the autistic disorder diagnosis. There is was not any
evidence of a direct correlating incident I can put my finger on. He had no
high fever or sickness or anything I would of sought medical attention for.
I don't even necessarily think it is so, just curious and interested to
learn more. Even though I do not have very strong anti-vaccine feelings so
far I have chosen not to have Isaac given any of the newer shots and am
reluctant to do so. My feeling is that there has been enough research &
evidence that anyone with previous neurological insult seems more at risk
for further insult.
Jennie
SJGL...@aol.com
<<My thought is what came first? Do some children with autism and related
disorders, PDD/NOS, Aspbergers, LKS, etc, have unusual titres in reaction to
the vaccinations themselves or is something already screwy that makes the
vaccination react differently or cause other problems? Apparently there is
no way to tell. My other daughters had the same shots and are fine.>>
Jennie,
That is a fascinating question. There has to be some autistic people in the
world that have not been vaccinated. It would be interesting to see their
titre levels!!
Tammy
Norman Masser
What about 'problem lots'? With other vaccination related problems bad
vaccination batches or lots have been isolated. are there some lots that
have a lot of reported cases of autism following the vaccination?
Norm
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Meryl & Ken Dorey
Dear Norm,
That is an excellent question. The only group who have been following hot
lots of vaccines is the NVIC - their web site is www.909shot.com. The FDA
is well aware that there are many lots of vaccines which are associated with
high numbers of deaths and adverse reactions. Despite this, they have NEVER
recalled a lot of vaccine. They just continue to count the casualties. If
you want more information, please contact the NVIC - I'm not sure if they
have kept track of cases of autism following vaccination - but it couldn't
hurt to ask and I for one would be really interested in what you find out.
Meryl
Vaccination Awareness Network, NSW (066) 871-699 phone
P.O. Box 177 (066) 872-032 fax
Bangalow NSW 2479 v...@om.com.au
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opposed. Finally, it is accepted as self-evident." (Schoepenhouer)
Dave Rogers
>What about 'problem lots'? With other vaccination related problems bad
>vaccination batches or lots have been isolated. are there some lots that
>have a lot of reported cases of autism following the vaccination?
>Norm
Good question. My son's DPT lot (from which he got ALL THREE of his
vaccinations) has been reported to the Federal Vaccination Adverse
Events Reporting Service for over ninety (90) separate incidents,
including seven (7) deaths.
Josh did react to at least one of these. Notifying the pediatrician
simply got a prescription for paragoric to deal with the muscle
inflammation. NO notation of the incident in his chart, NO reporting
to VAERS, and then repeated use of this same lot.
In case you are wondering, there is no recourse for us. The
government has made it nearly impossible to sue the vaccine
manufacturers, providing instead a program to compensate the vicitms
(or their families) of vaccine injury. However, proving the
connection is nearly impossible, and there is a statute of limitations
(3 years) protecting the manufacturers, even if (as seems to be the
case here) there may have been quality control problems.
Those of you who feel some of us are off the deep end on this topic, a
question: If vaccines are so wonderful, and so safe, then why has the
federal government built such a wall of indemnification around the
vaccine producers? This especially in an era where the norm is
greater consumer protection laws and increased manufacturer liability?
RA Jensen
>mas...@ea.net (Norman Masser) wrote:
>
>
>Good question. My son's DPT lot (from which he got ALL THREE of his
>vaccinations) has been reported to the Federal Vaccination Adverse
>Events Reporting Service for over ninety (90) separate incidents,
>including seven (7) deaths.
>
I have not seen it posted on this list but I am sure many may recall that
just last week there was an announcement in Washington where Federal
officials and and the medical establishment announced that they will no
longer permit the use of the 'live' oral polio vaccine in children under
two years of age. There have been a number of cases reported where in
rare ideosyncratic reactions children under two years of age have
contracted full blown polio after an immunization. It was through the
persistent political action on the part of parents whose children had
contracted polio that this new ruling was placed in effect, children
under the age of two will now only be permitted to recieve the 'inactive'
form of the oral polio vaccine. Now that the government and the medical
establishment have pulled their heads out of the sand this once, lets
hope they don't promptly place their collective heads back into the sand.
Regards,
Bob Jensen
Chevgal
hi , hi ,hi ,, i just happened to be looking around and found you by
accident , please let me know how to find you again , my son developed
autism after his m.m.r, oh god yes, it does happen and there is major
denial over this but i have done my homework and vaccines in our country
right now should be something every parent learns the truth about , that
the after effects can be devastating , and lifelong , you would be
surprised at who already knows this ,,please write back ,, thanks colleen
Elizabeth N. Moon
In looking at the incidence of diseases in the past as a guide to what
environmental or medical interventions might have caused them, you have
to consider the state of medical knowledge at that time. Take polio, for
example. If a baby died of a fever in the 1700s or 1800s, it was rare
for anyone to know what the disease was (only if it occurred in the midst
of an obvious epidemic.) With the advent of water treatment that
provided more and more of the population drinking water not contaminated
by human wastes, fewer babies died of enteric fevers. Also, fewer babies
caught and recovered from nonfatal enteric fevers; it was known even in
the 1950s that while infants might die of polio, if they recovered they
were less likely to be paralyzed. Thus older children and adults, who
had not survived polio in infancy and become immune, could now get the
disease.
I grew up in an area with a lot of endemic disease, and remember the
"polio summers" of the late 1940s and early 1950s clearly. Friends of
mine died, and others were left paralyzed, with polio. The fear of
polio led to "block isolation" (children not allowed to leave the
block they lived on), the closing of all public facilities in summer,
and so on. Polio not only killed a few, and crippled more, it
disrupted the lives of the rest of us.
Then came the vaccine. We were one of the test areas (so all of us had
to get the entire Salk series twice). The incidence of polio in our area
dropped precipitously, the first year, and stayed down thereafter. Were
we happier? Sure. Swimming pools stayed open in the summer; kids with
summer birthdays could have parties; our parents didn't turn pale every
time we had a summer sore throat. And best of all...we didn't lose
friends and relatives every year to the disease.
Did some people still get paralytic fevers? Yes. Polio had been
overwhelming the diagnosis of other diseases that caused paralysis (any
fever with any paralytic component was assumed to be polio.) With polio
out of the way, and new methods of diagnosis that allowed researchers to
tell one virus from another, and even one strain from another (technology
not available in the 1950s) it could be shown that other viruses can (but
much more rarely do) cause paralytic fevers.
As for the others...as I said, I grew up in an area with a lot of endemic
disease, on the US/Mexico border. My mother had lived there since 1918.
As a child, she had polio, malaria, brucellosis...and typhoid was held
at bay only by my grandmother's rigorous cleanliness in the kitchen and
bathrooms. Diptheria and whooping cough were still common; smallpox
outbreaks among nonvaccinated immigrants still occurred. She lived
through the advent of the first immunizations, and nursed in the
pre-antibiotic era. When I was a child, the only children who caught and
died of diptheria, typhoid, tetanus, or whooping cough were children who
had not been immunized. The infant and early childhood mortality dropped
like a rock. My mother had nursed cases of tetanus, rabies, and gas
gangrene...illnesses that virtually disappeared with the advent of
immunization (for tetanus and rabies) and effective treatment (some gas
gangrene patients now survive.)
Unless you have seen these diseases...I think it's difficult to justify a
decision to risk them on the chance of a bad reaction to a vaccine. Go
back and read some of the very vivid descriptions of these diseases in
medical and nursing texts from early in this century. Look at what used
to be leading causes of death from birth to five, and five to ten...and
look at the leading causes of death now. (AIDS is now beginning to do to
children what these diseases did for centuries...but for a long time, say
the late 50s to maybe 1991, after the advent of effective immunizations,
the leading causes of death from birth to 30 were accidents, congenital
anomalies, and childhood cancers. (Childhood cancers quit being rare
when the common diseases of childhood were eliminated.)
But people believe what they want to believe, and error is just as robust
as truth.
Barbara Dixon
In a message dated 96-07-13 21:04:07 EDT, you write:
<< I grew up in an area with a lot of endemic disease, and remember the
"polio summers" of the late 1940s and early 1950s clearly. >>
Yes, I remember those summers, too. Thank you for an excellent post. I knew
how bad it used to be and that it was so much better for my children's
generation, but was not able to express it so well.
Barbara
Tomm...@cris.com
Dear Elizabeth
When you have a child that had a very bad reaction to his first DPT shot,
(and still got all the other shots, even though he had this bad reaction) it
is very hard to justify the use of the vaccine(s) for a disease(s) that he
will most likely never get because "science" has supposedly fixed this with
immunization (herd). When your child is damaged from vaccination, the risks
are 100%. The disease is not. If I could only roll back the clock, I would
take my chances with the disease ANY DAY. I thought medicine's first moto
was "due no harm". How do they know they are not doing harm to some of our
children when 90% are vaccinated?
Ann Briggin