Subliminal Messages?
JAG...@psuvm.psu.edu
messages hidden backwards in any kind of music please post them here or send
them to me via e-mail.
Thanks,
Goody
jag...@psuvm.psu.edu
Tim Johnson
>messages hidden backwards in any kind of music please post them here or send
>them to me via e-mail.
There's a company providing MUZAK to office buildings
which has been recording the following backward masked
messages into Lite Versions of Stairway to Heaven and
Freebird. It goes "Wear your suit and tie. Do the
nine to five. I am the lord Commerce. Bow down before
me."
!sklof ,tsrif ereh ti draeh uoY
-Tim
Leonard Watkins
>> I would appreciate anyone who knows of any subliminal
>>messages hidden backwards in any kind of music please post them here or send
>>them to me via e-mail.
I don't remember who sent this request orginally, but if he will e-mail me
via private mail, i will give him info to get in touch with an authority on
the subject......L.W.
Leonard Watkins
>Leonard Watkins <ISTS024%UABDPO...@AUVM.AMERICAN.EDU> sez:
>
>> I don't remember who sent this request orginally, but if he will e-mail me
>> via private mail, i will give him info to get in touch with an authority on
>> the subject......L.W.
>
>how one can have subliminal perception when the notion of a limen
>(you know, a limit sub- which you can't consciously perceive something)
>has been shown to be false.
I didn't get the private e-mail, Did i say the authority proved this to be true
you have jumped to a conclusion here (you're gonna steal my award).
BTW You're rather touchy on this subject...next time since this is aimed
directly to me, do it through private e-mail
>So, how about it, Lenny? Put up or shut up. Just one experiment
>that demonstrates that the effect that so many pulpits are
>trying to protect us from actually exists. Just one.
First of all i'm not an authority on this, secondly I don't like your attitude
and will not even think about discussing this with you...(any further)...L.W.
crispen
> But, aren't "subliminal" messages still used in picture advertising,
> as in skeletons etc. in the ice cubes of alcoholic drinks? Or is
> that no longer true?
I think consensus on this one is that nobody ever put any sexy
ladies in ice cubes (which is the one I heard) on purpose, but
that if your mind is on sexy ladies, you'll see them in
ambiguous images.
Now I wonder what Carol sees in *her* ice cubes. That's a
frightening thought.
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Russ Gelinas
>ladies in ice cubes (which is the one I heard) on purpose, but
>that if your mind is on sexy ladies, you'll see them in
>ambiguous images.
Uh, no that's not the case. It *was* done. There was someone who
did the college lecture circuit with examples. She had pictures of
ads, and the actual magazines with the ads, with "subliminal"
enhancements. I've seen ads where a woman and man are hugging (in a
socially acceptable way), and clearly in the background you can see that
the woman is holding a penis in her hand. It was not subtle. From some
fashion mag. I've also seen very clear skulls/skeletons/scary faces in
the ice cubes of alcohol ads.
Sexy ladies *in* ice cubes? Maybe not. Sexy ladies holding a drink
full of "skull" cubes, holding a penis in her other hand? Probably
already been done.
Russ
Hey theres no music in here. CMV-Name me a Sharrock disk where he only
plays in that "This is not a guitar, this is Pharoah's sax" style. I
like that, but the slower ballady stuff on _Ask the Ages_ is, eh.
Mike
>messages hidden backwards in any kind of music please post them here or send
>them to me via e-mail.
> Goody
> jag...@psuvm.psu.edu
"So I fucked up man. What do they know? All it takes is to be
a mouse (?). So c'mon baby. Let's go."
from "Baby I'm a Star" on _Purple Rain_, Prince.
Mike. There are subliminal messages everywhere, if you look or
hear hard enough....fnord.
яя Subliminal Messages?
Mike
Ozzy's "Suicide Solution"? Well, I listened to that tune recently,
and what I got out of it was that it is basically futile and
stupid to snuff it. Nothing evil in that message at all.
The guy must've been listening to "Seasons in the Sun" or something
of that category... :)
Listening to old Black Sabbath (with Ozzy) brings back some old
high school memories... Although Ozzy is no means an impeccable
lyricist, the messages he addresed in the Sabbath songs were not
of Satan worshipping at all, but rather looking at the human existence
and relating to us how much evil there is out there at times.
Corruption, War, Pestilence. You get the picture.
I think the underlying scope of Ozzy's tunes were that of
"hey, get your head out of your ass and stop doing stupid things!"
The quintessential preacher. Ozzy is and never was a Satan
worshipper...he was a bit nuts, tho. That bit with the bat was
really stupid, and he admitted it after he got his rabies treatment.
I think the songs that he did with Sab were a bit blunt, but they're
as fun to listen to as Spinal Tap's stuff.
Dio, on the other hand, admitted that he is a devil worshipper... ;)
Mike.
crispen
> Uh, no that's not the case. It *was* done. There was someone who
> did the college lecture circuit with examples. She had pictures of
> ads, and the actual magazines with the ads, with "subliminal"
> enhancements.
At the risk of flogging a dead horse, is this lecturer someone who
knows from talking to the artist/ad agency person that a given
person who she could name has put the stuff in the ads on
purpose to sell a product, or is it that she saw the stuff in
the ad?
Those are quite different things, of course. The one implies that
some advertisers/agencies/artists still believe in this subliminal
stuff. The other implies only that the lecturer believes in it.
> Sexy ladies *in* ice cubes? Maybe not. Sexy ladies holding a drink
> full of "skull" cubes, holding a penis in her other hand? Probably
> already been done.
They say that beauty is in the mind of the beholder. On the off
chance that (a) this isn't some Rorschach test where your mind
(or hers) saw something in an ambiguous image, or (b) some artist
or photographer didn't pull a prank, did the lecturer say what the
ad agency had in mind? I can't quite understand the appeal of
glasses full of skulls, but then I lead a sedate life.
BTW, this is scarcely subliminal. If the ad disappeared a few
milliseconds after you opened the page to it, maybe.
But I think this [Rev.] whole business about [Bob] subliminal
advertising is way [is] way overblown. I mean, [my] if you
want to [master] get somebody to [I] buy a product [must] why
don't [send] you just say [him] "Buy Dristan" [all] over and
over [my] again? It's probably [money] more effective.
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David_A...@edgeway.wimsey.bc.ca
These days, with the advent of compact-disc players, how the heck can you look
for "backwards lyrics" and other supposedly "subliminal" stuff, on a compact
disc????
Do you "guys" have a special CD player, that lets you play stuff backwards????
who makes it, how much is it, and where do you get one.....
thanx....
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crispen
> I don't remember who sent this request orginally, but if he will e-mail me
> via private mail, i will give him info to get in touch with an authority on
> the subject......L.W.
Ooh, ooh, tell me too, Lenny. And while you're at it, please tell me
how one can have subliminal perception when the notion of a limen
(you know, a limit sub- which you can't consciously perceive something)
has been shown to be false.
That is, there is a finite probability of perception of an
arbitrarily small signal. The work that supported the limen was
done mostly (I recall) in the 1920s, and has been superseded by
work done in the 1950s, mostly under the auspices of the Navy,
which showed that human perceptual systems seem to follow what
is called an ROC curve (for receiver operating characteristic).
This curve is simply the integral of the familiar Gaussian
"bell curve".
The experiments which showed that flashing "subliminal" messages
on movie screens supposedly affected audience behavior have been
shown to be flawed in one way or another. The primary
embarrassment was in the failure for duplicate experiments
to duplicate the results of the original experiments.
A non-scientist can verify this easily. Why did advertising
agencies agree without a single dissenting voice to ban the
use of "subliminal" messages? Dead easy -- because they don't
work. If asked, I'm sure advertising agencies would also agree
to a ban on painting yourself blue, striking yourself repeatedly
with a hammer, and so on.
And while your "authority" is at it, can he please show me one
(just one will do it) methodologically respectable study that
supports human or animal ability to perceive meaning in speech
that is played backwards? Just one.
I make many claims to knowledge on this list which are based on
things I picked up on the street corner (or things I just plain
made up), but perceptual psychology was my field of study, and
I have a very low tolerance for bullshit, religiously inspired
or not, in this area.
And while I'm in rant mode, I absolutely despise the use of the
term "backward masking" to describe Satanic messages on records.
Backward masking is a phenomenon which appears (so far as I know)
only on tachistoscopic presentation of visual stimuli. The idea
is that you can present a set of letters in a brief flash on a
tachistoscope, and some small number of milliseconds later,
present a field with black squares that would (if presented
simultaneously with the letters) block out some of the letters.
It turns out that, for certain time intervals, the presentation
of the mask after the letters does in fact block out the letters
from perception. This was interpreted by Ulrich Neisser in his
book _Cognitive Psychology_ as indicating a mechanism of
"iconic storage" of visual stimuli as a pre-short-term-memory
stage. It's in the first 20 pages or so of the book. You
can't miss it.
What does this have to do with Ozzy Osbourne? Absolutely
nothing. The charlatans on the religious right have stolen a
perfectly acceptable psychological term and perverted it to
their own ends.
So, how about it, Lenny? Put up or shut up. Just one experiment
that demonstrates that the effect that so many pulpits are
trying to protect us from actually exists. Just one.
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Russ Gelinas
and clarity, until:
>A non-scientist can verify this easily. Why did advertising
>agencies agree without a single dissenting voice to ban the
>use of "subliminal" messages? Dead easy -- because they don't
>work.
But, aren't "subliminal" messages still used in picture advertising,
as in skeletons etc. in the ice cubes of alcoholic drinks? Or is
that no longer true?
Russ
BOAR...@bentley.bitnet
If you play "Empty Spaces" from Pink Floyd _The Wall_ backwards, It
says "You have discovered the secret message. Send your answer to old Pink,
care of the funny farm... Chelsea"
I've heard it my self...
John M.
NP: Light Up & Leave me Alone... Traffic
Gary M. Gettier
Am I the only person who hates it when a person's sig. is longer then their
post?!?!
May you all read this post at 2400 speed!
Real crabby on a Sunday mornin'...
Seeya, g...@access.digex.com
Gary
Tim Johnson
No, actually, we've sold our souls to the guy in the hot seat
for fame, fortune, and all the babes we can handle. One of the
side effects is that you can hear all the backwards subliminal
stuff directly. You should try it, too, David....sign on the
dotted line....everybody's doing it.
-Tim
Mike
>Just curious.....
>These days, with the advent of compact-disc players, how the heck can you look
>for "backwards lyrics" and other supposedly "subliminal" stuff, on a compact
>disc????
>Do you "guys" have a special CD player, that lets you play stuff backwards????
>
>who makes it, how much is it, and where do you get one.....
There are many ways to do this. One way is to get a music digitizer for
about 2000 bucks for you computer. An editor is all that is needed to
play backwards. Another way is to record the music off of the CD onto
a four track cassette or reel-to-reel recorder (300 bucks and up).
I opt to do the latter, because it is cheaper. Just flip the cassette
over, and you got instant backmasking, because the recorded tracks 1 and 2
now become the backward tracks 3 and 4. If you don't understand, just
go to your local music shop and ask them for a daemonstration.
con carne,
Mike.
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Thomas Andrew Bates
> Subject : Re: Subliminal Messages?
> Written : 02/08/93.07:47pm
>
> There are many ways to do this. One way is to get a music digitizer for
> about 2000 bucks for you computer. An editor is all that is needed to
> play backwards.
I have an IBM, and for about $130 (including speakers), you can use a
Soundblaster to digitze music, and then using an editor reverse it.
(The program I have has a limit of digitizing as much disk space is
available, but usually don't digitze over 30 seconds.)
It's A LOT cheaper than $2000!
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Hendrik Jan Veenstra
>Am I the only person who hates it when a person's sig. is longer then their
>post?!?!
>May you all read this post at 2400 speed!
>Real crabby on a Sunday mornin'...
Righto -- I always thought *I* was the only disturbed guy around town... :)
Some folks probably never heard of Netiquette or don't think it applies to
them... According to Netiquette, sigs should be no longer than *4* lines.
Y'know, 1, 2, 3, 4...
Another annoyed 2400 baud reader...
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