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D Barr

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Feb 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/18/99
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Doug Houghton and I have been discussing AV search engines. My findings on
the Alta Vista AV engine are remarkable.

http://image.altavista.com/

Did a search for "panoramic landscape" first page all twelve images all
Corbis - skipped to page twenty still a page of Corbis.

Tried "Medical photographs" - first page Corbis except for first picture.
Oddly enough the pictures were all historical and not medical.

Tried "Medical" - this gave me medical images - Corbis on the first page
and though I didn't check all the inbetween pages they seem to run out of
Corbis at the third image on the tenth page.

Tried "transportation" _ Corbis is up first again and I skipped to page
twenty where there was only one corbis picture. Page nineteen appears to
be all Corbis ( I didn't open them all.)

Butterfly - Well by now your getting the picture.

I had thought that to be spidered you required to put the name in the
title, eg. medical.jpg but this is not the case.


http://piximg.corbis.com/cpe/sqlpic.asp?i=11110560&a=1&s=256wm
http://pix.corbis.com/pix.asp?id=PW004226

These are two of the names I pulled off of Corbis images on the Alta Vista
AV search ( http://image.altavista.com/ ) the first under the search with
keyword "sheep" The second with the keyword "cattle"

So much for my theory on how we could get listed! I don't think I'm wrong
in what I thought about how to get our images listed but somehow Corbis has
a method to have images spidered through an interface that allows all
images they have on file to be included on the Alta Vista AV file.
Not only can they be spidered but it is done in such a way as to show only
the image requested. The only hot link you can make is to a Corbis page.
They don't have the problem of a whole page of images coming on the screen
without their information page.

Not only this but they have so many listings as to make the whole search
engine pretty useless for anyone else. If for instance a kid was wanting
to see pictures of sheep on other home pages and they did a search on sheep
all they would see is Corbis offerings.
Great marketing strategy for Corbis but when it monopolizes the search
engine for almost any common keyword it's a little too much.

Does anyone on the list know enough about html to enlighten us as to what
Corbis is doing to be so successful on the AV search engine? And does
anyone know of a software available to let us compete? Could a smart html
expert out there could write a program we'd all want to use?

David Barr

Photobar Agricultural Stock Photography.
Stock and assignment photography
specializing in all aspects of agriculture.

http://www.photobar.com
phot...@photobar.com


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Liz Hymans

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Feb 18, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/18/99
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In a message dated 2/18/99 9:20:54 PM Pacific Standard Time,
phot...@photobar.com writes:

<< Does anyone on the list know enough about html to enlighten us as to what
Corbis is doing to be so successful on the AV search engine? >>

Oh, now THAT was interesting. I've got a fair number of panoramas on the
site, though searching by "panorama" didn't work very well. Searching by my
name worked very well. My last check from Corbis was $ 0, but the one before
that was $ 7.33. I can't wait until they make some more sales!!! They've
done some layoffs in the acquisition department, and beefed up the sales
department, so it could happen any day.

Liz Hymans, panoramic photographer, CA

Jeff Boucher

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Feb 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/19/99
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>so it could happen any day.

Now Liz, your turning blue.........take a breath - NOW!

Cheers,
Jeff Boucher/Boucher Photography
Bonsai Studios and Design
bouche...@earthlink.net

Gary N. Crabbe

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Feb 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/19/99
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> Does anyone on the list know enough about html to enlighten us as to
what
> Corbis is doing to be so successful on the AV search engine? And does
> anyone know of a software available to let us compete? Could a smart
html
> expert out there could write a program we'd all want to use?

I don't know much about HTML but I do know about Corbis.
The reason Corbis gets all those primary hits is simply because Corbis
was
partnered with AltaVista to develop the image search engine retrieval
capabilities, and the Corbis library was the Los Alamos Test Range.
How do I know this? It's straight from the horses mouth.

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Sincerely,

Gary N. Crabbe
Enlightened Images
(925) 299-1461
(925) 299-1462 : fax
www.enlightphoto.com
email: ga...@enlightphoto.com
Photography & Consulting


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Sincerely,

Gary N. Crabbe
Enlightened Images
(925) 299-1461
(925) 299-1462 : fax
www.enlightphoto.com
email: ga...@enlightphoto.com
Photography & Consulting

Thomas Hallstein

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Feb 19, 1999, 3:00:00 AM2/19/99
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David, etal,

I have been able to pull up a few pictures from my website on the first
page of the search results - if they are sufficiently rare, unlike the term
"sheep". For example, "Alvord Desert" (which is a really remote playa in
sparsely populated Great Basin in southeast Oregon state). Plenty of
Corbis pictures were there too though...

I believe I read that AV's picture search engine looks at the text on the
page that is in the vicinity of images as well as the image name itself, as
well as any info in the image's HTML tag ALT attribute. Those images of
mine that came up had all three of these aspects going for them.

However, it certainly appears that there is some kind of "marketing
arrangement" between AVphotofinder and Corbis.

At least when you click on a picture it takes you to the actual page the
image is on. Back when they first started the AVfinder, it simply loaded
the picture on a blank page - very bad. Plus they had no statements about
possible copyright of the images found.

I think they have done a pretty good job, all things considered. Our
problem is not having millions of images online!

Best,

Tom
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Thomas Hallstein
Outsight Environmental Photography
Santa Rosa, CA USA
http://www.outsight.com
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^


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> From: D Barr <phot...@photobar.com>
> To: STOCK...@PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM
> Subject: Corbis on AV search
> Date: Thursday, February 18, 1999 8:15 PM

> Does anyone on the list know enough about html to enlighten us as to what
> Corbis is doing to be so successful on the AV search engine? And does
> anyone know of a software available to let us compete? Could a smart
html
> expert out there could write a program we'd all want to use?
>

> David Barr
>
> Photobar Agricultural Stock Photography.
> Stock and assignment photography
> specializing in all aspects of agriculture.
>
> http://www.photobar.com
> phot...@photobar.com
>
>
>
>

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