fizzPOP showcase opportunity

[hellocatfood]

One of the fizzPOP members, Leon Trimble aka Chromatouch
(http://chromatouch.wordpress.com/), is starting an 8b-it/glitch-tech
night at the Hare and Hounds in August and has asked fizzPOP to be
involved.

For those who don't know 8-bit music is usually characterised by its
use of old computers (e.g. amiga, gameboys) and hacked components,
such as circuit bent toys. For popular examples check out Pixelh8
(http://pixelh8.co.uk/) or Birmingham's own Brian Duffy of Modified
Toy Orchestra (http://www.warmcircuit.com/web/artist.php?artist_id=1)

Initially this could be a great place for us to showcase some of the
stuff that we've made.

What are everyone else's thoughts?

[Michael Nicholls]

This could be good fun.

I love 8bit and would love to help produce it.

I was going to ask if the Arduino is capable of producing decent sound
and/or recording and reproducing audio via a Microphone?

Do we know what night this will be happening on?

Mike

[Antonio Roberts]

We could even use your remote control somehow ;-)

You any good with Processing? I'm sure you could at least get it to
modify live sounds

The first night is on August 4th, which is a bit close. We may not be
showcasing at every event, but at least lets try and make the first or
second event.

Ant

2009/7/20 Michael Nicholls <nicho...@googlemail.com>:

[Laurence Hudson]

http://pmidic.sourceforge.net/ this could be pretty interesting in a music/hack type setup. The original developer is also particularly helpful around none standard uses, e.g. a heavily modified version of pmidic I used last year for a lab project:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k30IiBsNuDI&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pUCqO_vF2jo&feature=related
This isn't really my field of expertise, but pmidic immediately sprang to mind for hacking and music type projects.
I'm also thinking about making one of these http://web.media.mit.edu/~silver/drawdio/index.htm, which could be and interesting accompaniment to the stuff that has already been make.

On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:20 PM, Antonio Roberts <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:

We could even use your remote control somehow ;-)

You any good with Processing? I'm sure you could at least get it to
modify live sounds

The first night is on August 4th, which is a bit close. We may not be
showcasing at every event, but at least lets try and make the first or
second event.

Ant

[nikki]

> I'm also thinking about making one of thesehttp://web.media.mit.edu/~silver/drawdio/index.htm

Hi Laurence,
I'm off to Maplin later to see if I can pick up the components for the
veroboard version of Drawdio! I want to hook it up to the alarm clock
I've been tinkering with.
Have you seen this too?
http://calebcoppock.com/Homepage/graphiteseq/graphiteseq.html

nikki

[charlie pinder]

I'm definitely up for this ... I've been drooling over a drawdio  :)

There's a .wav shield for arduino that can store/playback audio: http://www.makershed.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=MKAD11 (thanks to nikki for the info).  Pretty sure there's a UK seller of 'em somewhere too.

[Laurence Hudson]

I hadn't seen that, thanks for the link, looks very cool. I think I need to get my basic electronics upto scrach first though.

[nikki]

Lady Ada do what might be the same kit too.
Also this kit with a few extras:
http://www.adafruit.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=17_21&products_id=175

I've been hovering over the checkout button all weekend :)

Shipping really puts the prices up though :(
I'm just going through the parts list now to see if I can get the bits
here.


Laurence - this *is* how to get your basic electronics up to speed!

[Adrian McEwen]

nikki wrote:
> Lady Ada do what might be the same kit too.
> Also this kit with a few extras:
> http://www.adafruit.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=17_21&products_id=175
>
> I've been hovering over the checkout button all weekend :)
>
> Shipping really puts the prices up though :(
> I'm just going through the parts list now to see if I can get the bits
> here.
>

Oomlout (Aaron from .:oomlout:. was at Howduino) has started selling
some of the Lady Ada stuff here in the UK, including the wave shield
IIRC (my T-mobile broadband dongle is playing up at the minute, so I
can't easily find a link). It should be easy enough to find from
<http://www.oomlout.com/>.

Peter from Tinker.it has also been playing around recently doing sound
generation from just an Arduino - he has some code that runs on the
PC(/Mac/whatever - big computer rather than Arduino :-) and processes an
MP3 to produce an Arduino sketch to play it. If you google Amen-duino
you should be able to find it. Otherwise let me know and I'll dig out a
link.

Adrian.

[charlie pinder]

thanks Adrian - wave shield from oomlout here: £15.50
http://www.oomlout.co.uk/wave-sound-shield-for-arduino-kit-p-208.html

[charlie pinder]

couldn't find amen-duino source (though Peter's twitter has a few links, they seem to be borked - http://twitter.com/Cathedrow points to http://files.me.com/cathedrow/yjwpne) - but found this instead from him/tinker.it:
http://code.google.com/p/tinkerit/wiki/Auduino

ooooooooooooooooooooh :)

[charlie pinder]

There's also an instructables competition on at the mo, looking at music hacks:
http://www.instructables.com/contest/artofsound/

c

[G Bulmer]

I coded up a simple musical scale to make it feasible to encode music
in a sketch. It was pretty easy once I'd googled the frequency of
notes, and accepted the inevitable errors :-)

I've only ever bothered to do Happy Birthday, which drives folks nuts
on the 5th repetition; driven through a piezo speaker, it sounds like
one of those 'musical' cards.

I've also made a Digital to Analogue converter (only 6 bits) using a
pile of resistors. A sine wave looks pretty good on an ocilloscope,
but I need to put it through an audio amp to get better sound than my
piezo speaker makes.

I tried a high-power Op Amp, but it couldn't drive to ground, so the
voltage clipped, and I got lots of distortion.

I could bring that along to the next meeting/

GB-)

[nikki]

I had a mooch around the Maplin website and didn't see immediately
obvious equivalent components for making up a drawdio so I've left
that plan for the time being...

I did get an auduino set up though and I've also managed to combine it
in a sketch with the clock control stuff so I can get both running at
the same time.
I'm looking at the graphite trails now to see if they can be used as
part of the control for the auduino. Not sure how it's going to work
in terms of getting enough variation in resistance to noticeably
affect the output.

Some pleasantly bleepy noises in the meantime though :)

n

[Trevor White]

What parts are your after for your drawdio?

Trev

[nikki]

I was going to try and make the vero board version following the
images here:
http://www.2ne1.com/drawdio/

It uses the v1.0 parts towards the bottom of this page:
http://www.ladyada.net/make/drawdio/parts.html

Main things being
TLC551 or similar low voltage '555 timer chip
NPN transistor, EBC pinout Such as PN2222 or 2N3904
PNP transistor, EBC pinout Such as PN2907 or 2N3806

I'm assuming the caps shouldn't be too much of a problem, nor the
resistors.

It looks like a fun project to play with, and one I'd like to try at
some stage, so it'd be good to know if buying the parts is a viable
option.

..which may be a good time to ask again if anyone on the list can
recommend other components retailers other than Maplin...

nikki


On Jul 22, 1:04 pm, Trevor White <trevor.white...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

[Jonty Wareing]

----- "nikki" <genz...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> ..which may be a good time to ask again if anyone on the list can
> recommend other components retailers other than Maplin...

We just put our first order in with Rapid, they were recommended
by the guys at Tinker.it:

http://www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components

Seems pretty good, but until everything turns up tomorrow we won't
know for sure! The only really irritating thing is that they will
only deliver to the card address for the first order.

--jonty

[Michael Nicholls]

Glad to hear that rapid have been recommended as I am putting together
a basket of components for the IR project and will be ordering soon.

Although http://uk.rs-online.com and http://uk.farnell.com/ are other
ones I have heard of.

Mike

On Jul 22, 1:17 pm, Jonty Wareing <jo...@jonty.co.uk> wrote:

[Adrian McEwen]

nikki wrote:
> ..which may be a good time to ask again if anyone on the list can
> recommend other components retailers other than Maplin...
>

Must've missed that last time. Farnell <http://uk.farnell.com/> and RS
<http://uk.rs-online.com/> are my usual choices for general components.

I've only ever used them for mail order, and both have been excellent
and prompt to deliver - Farnell UK got some stuff to me in less than 12
hours despite me being in Italy at the time! However, they might well
have trade counters in Birmingham if you want to collect stuff.

Adrian.

[Trevor White]

Okay, I checked and I think farnell have the bits you need. I do have
some 555s but they only go down to 2v where as the 551 works down at 1v
which I think might be quite important. Farnelly as the PN2907 as well.

Trev

[Adrian Beaumont]

Just saw this:

http://www.arduino.cc/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1247858093

Might be useful?

Does anyone else use Google Reader to subscribe to Lifehacker.com, Instructables.com and Makezine.com?

Ade.

2009/7/22 Trevor White <trevor....@googlemail.com>

[nikki]

Thanks for all the links, guys.

Trev - I'll check out the Farnell site for the components

Adrian - I was subscribed to makezine for a bit, but there were such a
huge number of posts that I couldn't follow it!

nikki

[Michael Nicholls]

This guy has some wicked stuff: http://little-scale.blogspot.com

Picked it up due to this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJZVMu78T9g

The code is amazingly simplistic. If you add a counter and switches to
be able to program in 16 bit patterns then you could come up with some
nice rhythms?

Out of interest can you run small speakers (not piezo) directly from
the output pins on an Arduino?

Mike

On Jul 22, 2:10 pm, Adrian Beaumont <ajbeaum...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just saw this:
>
> http://www.arduino.cc/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1247858093
>
> Might be useful?
>
> Does anyone else use Google Reader to subscribe to Lifehacker.com,
> Instructables.com and Makezine.com?
>
> Ade.
>

> 2009/7/22 Trevor White <trevor.white...@googlemail.com>

[nikki]

> Out of interest can you run small speakers (not piezo) directly from
> the output pins on an Arduino?
>
> Mike

I was using a small speaker from a toy for the Auduino, but it was
quite quiet so I bought a little amp like this:
http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=226013

It's what this is playing through (although not very loud - getting a
bit concious of the poor people in the flat below) :)
http://www.npugh.co.uk/media/bananableep.wav

nikki

[G Bulmer]

I thought it may be helpful to share my experience and opinions on
getting electronics parts.

Rapid are usually the cheapest supplier, if they have the part, so I
tend to order from there.
There electronics part range isn't as broad as RS or Farnell.
Rapid have very good prices for things like resistors, they sell packs
of 100 for 50p. I bought a wide range, and have never regretted it.
They are good for other stuff too, especially small electric motors,
and commonly used parts (Op Amps, logic ICs, transistors).
Rapid let you publish a shopping basket, which is an easy way to share
parts lists.

RS has trade counters in several local towns - you can pick parts up
an hour or two after ordering.
I've used this service and got several collections in a day, which I
find useful when I'm stumbling around, trying ideas to find what
works.
There was a trade counter in Coventry, but it closed - cost saving :-
(.
There is still one in Nuneaton, and another in Birmingham.
RS tend to be a little bit more expensive than Rapid.
RS are very handy for a large range of parts, their range of LEDs,
optical sensors, unusual types of resistors, integrated circuits are
good.

(See http://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=services&file=tc1)

IMHO Farnell have the best search tool, so if you know the
specification, but don't exactly know the part, it is worth trying
their search tool. I almost always tick "Exclude extended range items"
because they are imported from the USA, and have a £15+ Delivery
surcharge, which rarely makes sense. Search results can be sorted on
any column, which is handy if you want the cheapest, or want to
understand what effect a particular parameter has. I often get sensors
from Farnell because they are so well organised.

Farnell and RS are sometimes a bit better than Rapid for datasheets.

They all have interesting (to me) bargains, so it's worth looking. I
got some very cute 8x8 LED matrix displays from Rapid for under £1.

Rapid, RS and Farnell have quick postage.
I normally expect to receive orders from all three in less than 24
hours (through the week).

In my experience, Maplin is the most expensive part supplier. It is
easy to pay 2-3x more at Maplin.
I love Maplin's little AD-100 breadboards (AG08J).
They are much better value than any other breadboards, and can be
plugged together to make larger breadboards. I buy them in 5's.

RS don't charge P&P (to account holders).
Farnell and Rapid do charge P&P on orders less than £30 (I think).
I find it easy to order much more than £30 of parts, so it isn't
usually a cost I pay :-)
If you want to save money on Rapid or Farnell orders, and can wait a
few days, it may be worth pooling orders to avoid the postage.
Price breaks often happen on 10's, so pooling orders can give a
significant cost saving.

I buy Freeduino's from http://www.nuelectronics.com/estore/ who are
the cheapest supplier I've found.
Freeduino's are Arduino compatible. (You could build your own, of
course :-)

I also buy Arduino-style stuff from http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php
in the USA, and
http://www.nkcelectronics.com/ who normally deliver within a week.
I have bought from http://www.pololu.com/ who have very good robotics
stuff (controllers and motors)
I have bought a few things from http://www.technobots.co.uk/ who have
robotics bits

I'd happily use all of these companies again.

HTH
GB-)

[G Bulmer]

On Jul 22, 5:50 pm, Michael Nicholls <nicholls...@googlemail.com>
wrote:
> ...

>
> Out of interest can you run small speakers (not piezo) directly from
> the output pins on an Arduino?

No, not really. Speakers are usually 64 ohms or less, so
I = V/R
I = 4.2/64 = 0.065A, or 65mA which is a bit too much for an Arduino.
More usually 8 ohms:
I = 4.2/8 = 0.525A, or 525mA which is way too much (would need about
2W).


RS sell some pretty cheap, single chip, audio amplifiers:
http://uk.rs-online.com/web/search/searchBrowseAction.html?method=retrieveTfg&Nr=AND%28avl%3auk%2csearchDiscon_uk%3aN%29&N=4294962924+4294955310&binCount=327&Ns=I18NPrc1_uk&Nso=0#resultArrow

Or something from here:
http://www.rapidonline.com/Electronic-Components/Integrated-Circuits/Audio/Audio-power-ICs/67347

Rapid have some cheap speakers to play with too:
http://www.rapidonline.com/Electrical-Power/PA-Audio-Video/Speakers/50mm-Ultra-slim-speakers/79443/kw/speakers

You could run these from 5V, or a 9V battery.

HTH
GB-)

[Michael Nicholls]

That looks like good work nikki.

Is that the clock driving the straw?

I shall have to start experimenting with speakers and Arduino :-)

Mike

On Jul 23, 3:00 am, G Bulmer <gbul...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I thought it may be helpful to share my experience and opinions on
> getting electronics parts.
>
> Rapid are usually the cheapest supplier, if they have the part, so I
> tend to order from there.
> There electronics part range isn't as broad as RS or Farnell.
> Rapid have very good prices for things like resistors, they sell packs
> of 100 for 50p. I bought a wide range, and have never regretted it.
> They are good for other stuff too, especially small electric motors,
> and commonly used parts (Op Amps, logic ICs, transistors).
> Rapid let you publish a shopping basket, which is an easy way to share
> parts lists.
>
> RS has trade counters in several local towns - you can pick parts up
> an hour or two after ordering.
> I've used this service and got several collections in a day, which I
> find useful when I'm stumbling around, trying ideas to find what
> works.
> There was a trade counter in Coventry, but it closed - cost saving :-
> (.
> There is still one in Nuneaton, and another in Birmingham.
> RS tend to be a little bit more expensive than Rapid.
> RS are very handy for a large range of parts, their range of LEDs,
> optical sensors, unusual types of resistors, integrated circuits are
> good.
>

> (Seehttp://uk.rs-online.com/web/generalDisplay.html?id=services&file=tc1)

> I buy Freeduino's fromhttp://www.nuelectronics.com/estore/who are

> the cheapest supplier I've found.
> Freeduino's are Arduino compatible. (You could build your own, of
> course :-)
>
> I also buy Arduino-style stuff fromhttp://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/categories.php

> in the USA, andhttp://www.nkcelectronics.com/who normally deliver within a week.
> I have bought fromhttp://www.pololu.com/who have very good robotics
> stuff (controllers and motors)
> I have bought a few things fromhttp://www.technobots.co.uk/who have

[nikki]

On Jul 23, 9:59 am, Michael Nicholls <nicholls...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

> That looks like good work nikki.
>
> Is that the clock driving the straw?
>

Thanks!
Yeah, as of last night I got the clock driving the straw:
http://vimeo.com/5717371
You can hear it in this audio with a longer interval between pulses -
makes a good rhythm section :)
http://www.npugh.co.uk/media/bananableeps2.wav

Not sure if the straw's going to stay though. Ideally I think I need
to have some sort of pressure contact to feed the electricity in over
the pivot of the second hand. The wire I'm using at the moment is
impeding the movement of the hand too much and needs a bit of a
helping hand.


Thanks for all the supplier info too, Garry.

[Leon Chromatouch]

eh up everyone, it'll be on the first tuesday of the month in the back
room of the hare and hounds.

the idea was born out of the mind of tony grainger who runs resistor
records. i've been doing little nights for years where i've brought
along 4-player retro gaming consoles. even 5-player bomberman on the
snes. got a dreamcast, ps2, n64 too, all with 4 pads.

tony plays a mixture of glitchy music along with ambient and
electronica. i've been mucking about with iphone and ds homebrew apps
in my vjing a well as audio visual experimentation. so when we decided
on this i knew the fizzpop crew would be perfect to join in. so it's
not just audio stuff we want to be showcasing, but everything we have
created, and make it a social gathering - and if any of us have got a
live set together we could perform it there as well...

On Jul 20, 12:19 pm, Michael Nicholls <nicholls...@googlemail.com>
wrote:

[G Bulmer]

On Jul 23, 10:26 am, nikki <genzai...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 23, 9:59 am, Michael Nicholls <nicholls...@googlemail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > That looks like good work nikki.
>
> > Is that the clock driving the straw?
>
> Thanks!
> Yeah, as of last night I got the clock driving the straw:http://vimeo.com/5717371
> You can hear it in this audio with a longer interval between pulses -

> makes a good rhythm section :)http://www.npugh.co.uk/media/bananableeps2.wav

>
> Not sure if the straw's going to stay though. Ideally I think I need
> to have some sort of pressure contact to feed the electricity in over
> the pivot of the second hand. The wire I'm using at the moment is
> impeding the movement of the hand too much and needs a bit of a
> helping hand.

Is the shaft holding the pointer metal?
You could take the wire to that, and press something conductive on the
back end (a little bit of springy metal), on the other side of the
clock. That might look more mysterious :-)

If the pointer of the clock is metal, you could put it back on, and
use it as part of the circuit.

A contact for the paper/carbon track could be some small metal
brushes, the sort that used to be in old-fashioned electric motors, or
maybe some wire wool?

I remember when I was at school a guy showing me a bunch of carbon
fibres which were pretty conductive, I don't know where you'd get it
though.

>
> Thanks for all the supplier info too, G

I'm very happy it's helpful.

GB-)

[Antonio Roberts]

Do you do any vj'ing using processing or pure:data by any chance?

Ant

2009/7/23 Leon Chromatouch <leolo...@googlemail.com>:

[hellocatfood]

Had a meeting about this earlier and it looks like the first "8-bit
Lounge" will be happening on 1st September. More information to follow
soon.

Ant

On Jul 24, 11:03 am, Antonio Roberts <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Do you do any vj'ing using processing or pure:data by any chance?
>
> Ant
>

> 2009/7/23 Leon Chromatouch <leolodr...@googlemail.com>:

[hellocatfood]

Hey all,

As mentioned at the last meeting the first 8Bit Lounge will be at the
Hare and Hounds in Kings Heath this coming Tuesday. More info is
available here http://www.fizzpop.org.uk/events/8bit-lounge/

I understand that we wont really be able to get much, if anything,
ready for this meet but that'll give us lots of time to make the next
one (October 6th) completely awesome!

Hope to see you there!

Ant

[nikki]

<justsayin'>That's, um, pretty close to your, er, birthday, isn't
it...? </justsayin'>

On Aug 30, 3:12 am, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey all,
>
> As mentioned at the last meeting the first 8Bit Lounge will be at the
> Hare and Hounds in Kings Heath this coming Tuesday.

[Antonio Roberts]

Indeed it is, and more reason for me to go! Indulging in some retro
gaming action is probably the best way to spend any day, let alone my
birthday :-D

Ant

2009/8/30 nikki <genz...@googlemail.com>:

[hellocatfood]

8 Bit Lounge was a great success, thanks to all those who came. After
a few technical glitches we eventually had a Playstation 2 and
Nintendo Gamecube up and running, though we couldn't get the SNES and
N64 workin. Lesson learned: test all equipment beforehand! With that
said, if anyone has any suggestions of preferably multiplayer games
they'd like to see drop us a line.

I've put a few Gameboy Camera and databent images up online (http://
www.flickr.com/photos/hellocatfood/sets/72157622210715732/) and Nikki
has a few too (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nikki_pugh/sets/
72157622213858066/).

For the next one I'd like to get the laser harp made and do some sort
of performance with it and maybe even the circuit bent toys. We may
also have access to a few projectors, so there's the possibility for
some live visuals going on. The next event is at Hare and Hounds on
6th October.

On Aug 30, 12:00 pm, Antonio Roberts <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Indeed it is, and more reason for me to go! Indulging in some retro
> gaming action is probably the best way to spend any day, let alone my
> birthday :-D
>
> Ant
>

> 2009/8/30 nikki <genzai...@googlemail.com>:

[Michael Nicholls]

This all sounds great.

Some good photos floating around. Did I really see 35 player
bomberman?

Will have to make sure I get over for the next one.

Mike

On Sep 3, 11:03 am, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 8 Bit Lounge was a great success, thanks to all those who came. After
> a few technical glitches we eventually had a Playstation 2 and
> Nintendo Gamecube up and running, though we couldn't get the SNES and
> N64 workin. Lesson learned: test all equipment beforehand! With that
> said, if anyone has any suggestions of preferably multiplayer games
> they'd like to see drop us a line.
>

> I've put a few Gameboy Camera and databent images up online (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hellocatfood/sets/72157622210715732/) and Nikki

[Antonio Roberts]

> Did I really see 35 player bomberman?

That's 5 player Bomberman. I may have made a typo :oops: Though if
there is a way to play bomberman with 35 people I'd sure like to do
it! I saw this when I was down in London recently
http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevandotorg/3779296530/ though it's a
commercial homebrew xbox live game.

Mez mentioned that it may be possible to hook up two laptops for a
four-player frozen bubble http://www.frozen-bubble.org/

Ant

2009/9/3 Michael Nicholls <nicho...@googlemail.com>:

[hellocatfood]

Just wrote a short blog post about it http://www.fizzpop.org.uk/blog/8-bit-fun/
and Pete Ashton, the 8 Bit DJ posted up the set list and a stream on
his website http://peteashton.com/2009/09/im_an_8-bit_dj/

Ant

On Sep 3, 11:03 am, hellocatfood <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:

> 8 Bit Lounge was a great success, thanks to all those who came. After
> a few technical glitches we eventually had a Playstation 2 and
> Nintendo Gamecube up and running, though we couldn't get the SNES and
> N64 workin. Lesson learned: test all equipment beforehand! With that
> said, if anyone has any suggestions of preferably multiplayer games
> they'd like to see drop us a line.
>

> I've put a few Gameboy Camera and databent images up online (http://www.flickr.com/photos/hellocatfood/sets/72157622210715732/) and Nikki

[Christopher Woods]

> > Did I really see 35 player bomberman?
>
> That's 5 player Bomberman. I may have made a typo :oops:
> Though if there is a way to play bomberman with 35 people I'd
> sure like to do it! I saw this when I was down in London
> recently http://www.flickr.com/photos/kevandotorg/3779296530/
> though it's a commercial homebrew xbox live game.

There *is* a way to play ultramultiplayer bomberman (and other games)...
Quite a few years ago - 2003/2004 - I was at a LAN and the organisers
invited Projector Games along - it's what you'd think; LOADS of Xbox
controllers (with the then-new Xbox Windows drivers), all plugged in via USB
hubs and a massive tangle of wiring. PC, running games (often hand-hacked
and compiled on the fly in VC++ - sometimes one guy would tweak the code
then compile on the spot if something went wrong! - but it worked
beautifully and was a total riot with everybody in the room together.

As you can imagine, it went down a storm at boths LANs I attended - it had a
good chunk of people away from their PCs for much of the weekend! Their web
site is at http://www.projectorgames.net/ if you fancy a gander.

[Antonio Roberts]

Just had a gander and Bomberclone can have up to 12 players. Not as
good as the original but it'll do just well! Now to find 12
controllers.

Ant

2009/9/4 Christopher Woods <chris...@custommade.org.uk>:

[Leon Chromatouch]

i got the nintendo consoles working. no probs at all. - just they
don't like scart cables, only the av (red white yellow rca) type.
so that's 4player n64 and 5 player snes. super bomberman on snes is
max 4 players. super bomberman 3 has 5.
see here - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bomberman_games
sega saturn had 10 players.

On Sep 6, 1:39 am, Antonio Roberts <bv3...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Just had a gander and Bomberclone can have up to 12 players. Not as
> good as the original but it'll do just well! Now to find 12
> controllers.
>
> Ant
>

> 2009/9/4 Christopher Woods <christop...@custommade.org.uk>:

>
>
>
> >> > Did I really see 35 player bomberman?
>
> >> That's 5 player Bomberman. I may have made a typo :oops:
> >> Though if there is a way to play bomberman with 35 people I'd
> >> sure like to do it! I saw this when I was down in London

> >> recentlyhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/kevandotorg/3779296530/