Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation: a few articles from legit sources

[- darkman® -]

http://www.neuronetics.com/press-coverage.aspx

You people going to start commenting on these posts?

[larry]

On Aug 31, 12:08 pm, - darkman® - <sgi....@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.neuronetics.com/press-coverage.aspx
>
> You people going to start commenting on these posts?

Richard,
The lemonade stand is open~u did the links~it is up to the reader to
make up their own minds, closed or open, closed is a pity. Depression
is a pity. Manic/depression is a pity. What a pitiful bunch that will
not come to the lemonade stand, the lemonade is free.

larry

[- darkman® -]

And Larry with wisdom beyound his ears umm years did say

On Aug 31, 3:14 pm, larry <dew...@gmail.com> wrote:

Snippage~ to save ink

> Richard,
> The lemonade stand is open~u did the links~it is up to the reader to
> make up their own minds, closed or open, closed is a pity. Depression
> is a pity. Manic/depression is a pity.  What a pitiful bunch that will
> not come to the lemonade stand, the lemonade is free.
>
> larry

It is discouraging Larry. Do you have any idea what's up with these
peeps?
Here is a link that shows the efficacy of TMS as well as it's approval
by the FDA http://www.biospace.com/news_story.aspx?NewsEntityId=112245

A bit from the article....

FDA Clears Neuronetics, Inc.'s NeuroStar(R) TMS Therapy for the
Treatment of Depression
10/8/2008

MALVERN, Pa., Oct. 8 /PRNewswire/ -- Neuronetics, Inc., a privately-
held medical device company and a leader in the field of
neuromodulation, announced today that the U.S. Food and Drug
Administration (FDA) has cleared its NeuroStar TMS (Transcranial
Magnetic Stimulation) Therapy system for the treatment of depression.
NeuroStar TMS Therapy® is specifically indicated for the treatment of
Major Depressive Disorder in adult patients who have failed to achieve
satisfactory improvement from one prior antidepressant medication at
or above the minimal effective dose and duration in the current
episode. In clinical trials with NeuroStar TMS Therapy, these patients
had been treated with a median of 4 medication treatment attempts, one
of which achieved criteria for adequate dose and duration.

"Clinical neuroscience advances have greatly improved the diagnosis
and treatment of depression, but much more is needed. These disorders
lead the world in producing disability, and more than half of the
millions being treated for clinical depression currently fail to
achieve wellness," said John Greden, MD, Professor of Psychiatry &
Clinical Neurosciences and Executive Director of the University of
Michigan Comprehensive Depression Center. "Before now, few options
have been available for them other than complex and often unproven
combinations of medications. Now, with the FDA clearance of NeuroStar
TMS Therapy, there is new hope."

The NeuroStar TMS Therapy system is the first and only TMS Therapy®
device cleared by the FDA for the treatment of depression. TMS Therapy
is a non-systemic (does not circulate in the bloodstream throughout
the body) and non-invasive (does not involve surgery) form of
neuromodulation which stimulates nerve cells in an area of the brain
that is linked to depression, by delivering highly focused MRI-
strength magnetic pulses. Patients being treated by NeuroStar TMS
Therapy do not require anesthesia or sedation and remain awake and
alert. It is a 40-minute outpatient procedure that is prescribed by a
psychiatrist and performed in a psychiatrist's office. The treatment
is typically administered daily for 4-6 weeks.

Larry, I strongly recommend that you give this procedure a serious
shot. No Spoof! Here is a link that shows the locations where they
can magnetize your beanie <laffin> www.NeuroStarTMS.com Telephone #
Neuronetics Customer Service Center at (877) 600-7555.

You know, Since I used to be a wizkid, I am seriously considering
putting a plan together to start one of these TMS Centers. No kidding.
I already know the equipment requirements from my visit to AU, The
Alfred, in 2003. I'll keep you posted.

~me

[mmmousemaid]

On Aug 31, 3:14 pm, larry <dew...@gmail.com> wrote:

thanks for posting; it looks promising;

Erin

[boho gal]

Has this been tested specifically for those with bipolar disorder?
Some medication (I know this is not medication) used to treat
depression makes bipolar symptoms worse. What stats are available for
those suffering from bipolar?

[- darkman® -]

On Sep 8, 3:38 am, boho gal <sparro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has this been tested specifically for those with bipolar disorder?
> Some medication (I know this is not medication) used to treat
> depression makes bipolar symptoms worse. What stats are available for
> those suffering from bipolar?

Well Sparrow, you could take my word for it. As I mentioned earlier in
another post, I participated in one of the original double blind
controlled studies at the Monash Psychiatric Institute; part of The
Alfred Hospital in Melbourne, AU. Or, you could user google or any
other search engine that you please and enter the words transcranial
bipolar depression
http://www.google.com/search?q=transcranial+magnetic+stimulation+bipolar+depression&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

Let me know your opinion sparro....

[mmmousemaid]

On Sep 10, 7:27 pm, - darkman® - <sgi....@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 8, 3:38 am, boho gal <sparro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Has this been tested specifically for those with bipolar disorder?
> > Some medication (I know this is not medication) used to treat
> > depression makes bipolar symptoms worse. What stats are available for
> > those suffering from bipolar?
>
> Well Sparrow, you could take my word for it. As I mentioned earlier in
> another post, I participated in one of the original double blind
> controlled studies at the Monash Psychiatric Institute; part of The
> Alfred Hospital in Melbourne, AU. Or, you could user google or any
> other search engine that you please and enter the words transcranial

> bipolar depressionhttp://www.google.com/search?q=transcranial+magnetic+stimulation+bipo...

>
> Let me know your opinion sparro....

I haven't yet had time to look at all -- though most are for unipolar,
but this one which is cited
a number of times, does not show promise for bipolar:

1: Bipolar Disord. 2003 Feb;5(1):40-7.Click here to read Links
Left prefrontal transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) treatment
of depression in bipolar affective disorder: a pilot study of acute
safety and efficacy.
Nahas Z, Kozel FA, Li X, Anderson B, George MS.

Brain Stimulation Laboratory, Department of Psychiatry, Medical
University of South Carolina, Charleston 29425, USA.

OBJECTIVES: Repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation (rTMS)
has been shown to improve depressive symptoms. We designed and carried
out the following left prefrontal rTMS study to determine the safety,
feasibility, and potential efficacy of using TMS to treat the
depressive symptoms of bipolar affective disorder (BPAD). METHODS: We
recruited and enrolled 23 depressed BPAD patients (12 BPI depressed
state, nine BPII depressed state, two BPI mixed state). Patients were
randomly assigned to receive either daily left prefrontal rTMS (5 Hz,
110% motor threshold, 8 sec on, 22 sec off, over 20 min) or placebo
each weekday morning for 2 weeks. Motor threshold and subjective
rating scales were obtained daily, and blinded Hamilton Rating Scale
for Depression (HRSD) and Young Mania Rating Scales (YMRS) were
obtained weekly. RESULTS: Stimulation was well tolerated with no
significant adverse events and with no induction of mania. We failed
to find a statistically significant difference between the two groups
in the number of antidepressant responders (>50% decline in HRSD or
HRSD <10 - 4 active and 4 sham) or the mean HRSD change from baseline
over the 2 weeks (t = -0.22, p = 0.83). Active rTMS, compared with
sham rTMS, produced a trend but not statistically significant greater
improvement in daily subjective mood ratings post-treatment (t = 1.58,
p = 0.13). The motor threshold did not significantly change after 2
weeks of active treatment (t = 1.11, p = 0.28). CONCLUSIONS: Daily
left prefrontal rTMS appears safe in depressed BPAD subjects, and the
risk of inducing mania in BPAD subjects on medications is small. We
failed to find statistically significant TMS clinical antidepressant
effects greater than sham. Further studies are needed to fully
investigate the potential role, if any, of TMS in BPAD depression.

PMID: 12656937 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE

And besides why would anyone want to replace lithium-- nothing is
better for bipolar.

Erin

[- darkman® -]

On Sep 11, 10:10 am, mmmousemaid <mmmousem...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sep 10, 7:27 pm, - darkman® - <sgi....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 8, 3:38 am, boho gal <sparro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Has this been tested specifically for those with bipolar disorder?
> > > Some medication (I know this is not medication) used to treat
> > > depression makes bipolar symptoms worse. What stats are available for
> > > those suffering from bipolar?
>
> > Well Sparrow, you could take my word for it. As I mentioned earlier in
> > another post, I participated in one of the original double blind
> > controlled studies at the Monash Psychiatric Institute; part of The
> > Alfred Hospital in Melbourne, AU. Or, you could user google or any
> > other search engine that you please and enter the words transcranial
> > bipolar depressionhttp://www.google.com/search?q=transcranial+magnetic+stimulation+bipo...
>
> > Let me know your opinion sparro....
>
> I haven't yet had time to look at all -- though most are for unipolar,
> but this one which is cited
> a number of times, does not show promise for bipolar:
>
> 1: Bipolar Disord. 2003 Feb;5(1):40-7.Click here to read Links
>     Left prefrontal transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) treatment
> of depression in bipolar affective disorder: a pilot study of acute
> safety and efficacy.
>     Nahas Z, Kozel FA, Li X, Anderson B, George MS.
>
>     Brain Stimulation Laboratory, Department of Psychiatry, Medical
> University of South Carolina, Charleston 29425, USA.

> Snip

Erin, turn of the video and look at the date of the article that you
cite. Come on kid, you'll have to do better than that!

>
> And besides why would anyone want to replace lithium-- nothing is
> better for bipolar.

Laughing....sure....
>
> Erin

~me

[boho gal]

Darkman,

Quite interested in TMS. Would you care to share your personal
experience with TMS. You might have already and I might have missed
it? If so, please refer me to your post.

Regards
Bohoalways aka Sparrow to you - he-he!

[- darkman® -]

On Oct 13, 5:10 pm, boho gal <sparro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Darkman,
>
> Quite interested in TMS. Would you care to share your personal
> experience with TMS. You might have already and I might have missed
> it? If so, please refer me to your post.
>
> Regards
> Bohoalways aka Sparrow to you - he-he!
>

Why do I think that you might already know some of my experiences not
discluding TMS "Sparrow"? You have me in suspenders!

Psychiatric lemonOlade 2 pints a 1£
> Knowledge is Power Drink Up
> - darkman® - childOlite® -
We Try Any Illness Just to Find a Cure
> >>>>>>>>(R)§(R)<<<<<<<<

[Caro]

I have read the articles from the link. What really made an impact on
me was reading in one of the articles that for one of the research
subjects not only did it work for him it was an alternative to the
medication he was on that caused him such adverse side effects, such
as weight gain. Boho gal, obviously lithium is working out for you
but when I was on it it shut my thyroid down and I gained ALOT of
weight. Also it failed to stabilise my mood effectively. And from
reading those articles I am starting to see where Darkman's passion
for this therapy comes from. I am lucky the current meds I am on
haven't given me big knarly side effects but it sounds like so many of
you peepers do including Darkman. This therapy could be freedom from
that.

Also another interesting thing I saw in an article was a research
subject using the term "remission" for his depression, as in "I'm in
remission". Hmmmmm, I just hadn't come across that line of thinking
about depression before. But then again, I'm no doctor.

Keep up the fabulously yummy links Darkman!

Carolyn

> >        >>>>>>>>(R)§(R)<<<<<<<<- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

[- darkman® -]

and Carolyn still with charm but without a link for us subjective
kooklas...after all I have been through, This I gotta see.....

On Oct 13, 8:47 pm, Caro <carolynm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I have read the articles from the link.  What really made an impact on
> me was reading in one of the articles that for one of the research
> subjects not only did it work for him it was an alternative to the
> medication he was on that caused him such adverse side effects, such
> as weight gain.  

Rubbish~ Show me a link?

> Boho gal, obviously lithium is working out for you
> but when I was on it it shut my thyroid down and I gained ALOT  of
> weight.  

Yep weight gain is a bitch. I gained 30 # on a new steroid to combat
inflamation. Sucked. The weigh is off but unfortunately the steroid
didn't do it's job. Really not the steroid's fault. It was given
tooooooo late to do me any good.

Yep could happen but I wonder did you have a base run of your thyroid
and did you have your liver enzymes checked once per month?

http://thyroid.about.com/b/2009/03/04/lithium_thyroid_bipolar.htm

> Also it failed to stabilise my mood effectively.  

In my opinion, Li. Sux But that is only because I was not depressed
and had 3 wankers as PDocs. ramped me up to 2000 mgs in 7 weeks. After
I quit drooling and could figure out how to drive again...sidebar...I
am a licenced SCCA A car pilot....thank god I didn't try to fly..I
fired the bastards.

> And from
> reading those articles I am starting to see where Darkman's passion
> for this therapy comes from.  

Huh? I had no side effects from TMS at all. The marching orders were
to keep taking whatever cocktail you were on and then to walk into the
Alfred and GO FOR IT

> I am lucky the current meds I am on
> haven't given me big knarly side effects but it sounds like so many of
> you peepers do including Darkman.  

What would give you any idea that you have a clue as to what side
effect I have Carolyn? I cannot remember discussing that with you at
all????

> This therapy could be freedom from that."

Again what make you think that TMS frees you from drug side effects
Caro? The fact of the matter is that TMS will (well it did for me
until I came back to America) free you from depression! Period, et
all. If you drop a hit of acid you get off. If you take Li and don't
need it you get side effects. The list goes on... You really surprised
me with this both sides of your mouth rubbish Caro.....

>
> Also another interesting thing I saw in an article was a research
> subject using the term "remission" for his depression, as in "I'm in
> remission".  Hmmmmm, I just hadn't come across that line of thinking
> about depression before.  But then again, I'm no doctor.
>
> Keep up the fabulously yummy links Darkman!

I fear that you have lost only your appettite, but your menu and your
(out) penchant for research...pity

>
> Carolyn
>
> On Oct 14, 1:08 pm, - darkman® - <sgi....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Oct 13, 5:10 pm, boho gal <sparro...@gmail.com> wrote:> Darkman,
>

Snip~

~me and a disappointed me at that.....

[- darkman® -]

On Oct 13, 9:33 pm, - darkman® - <sgi....@gmail.com> wrote:
> and Carolyn still with charm but without a link for us subjective
> kooklas...after all I have been through, This I gotta see.....
>
> On Oct 13, 8:47 pm, Caro <carolynm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I have read the articles from the link.  

cribbage~

Do educate me as to the link that I provided that gave you the clue
that one of the practitioners was a plant. If we are talking about the
Alfred, I was ther for six weeks and did a live special for the ABC.
The Australian Broad Company. Not to be confused with the BPBC BiPolar
Broadcasting Corporation which I own.....

I love research....wish everyone read the articles all the way through
and didn't come back with diametrically opposed opinions based upon
the same articles. Relationships be damned, facts are facts. Show me
as I am from Mo.

Latez

- darkman® -

PS. I might be sorry in the morning for my harshness instead of comic
relief, but again..the day has been the shits and I am not likely to
disregard unsubstantiated lore...that's all on this post...

[Caro]

Ouch. So my post had lots and lots of holes in it that you could pick
apart. So will everything I post. Darkman, it is dampening my
enthusiam to reply to stuff, cos that was really ouchy to have such
harsh feedback. Will I let it kill my enthusiasm entirely? No. But
definately a bit gun shy now.

[- darkman® -]

On Oct 13, 9:47 pm, Caro <carolynm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Ouch.  So my post had lots and lots of holes in it that you could pick
> apart.  So will everything I post.  Darkman, it is dampening my
> enthusiam to reply to stuff, cos that was really ouchy to have such
> harsh feedback.  Will I let it kill my enthusiasm entirely?  No.  But
> definately a bit gun shy now.
>

more self snippage~

My dearest Carolyn,

I am very sorry for hurting you're feelings but H\here's how it goes
Guinevere. There may be 10 0r 10 hundred that may look at this group
for information from time to time. It is out obligation to give them
the best and most current information that we can. Nuff said. I love
you for many reasons,,Not the least from your unbridled honesty. I
will never do anything but love you for that. Nor will I, as I have
the time, stop you from from investigating your prose before you post
it. As I said once before, I am with you, or will try my best to be,
forever...sigh...so few words and so many thoughts..

- darkman® -

[David Watts]

get some manners darkman, second time I made this request.

[boho gal]

[boho gal]

Darkman,

I have you in suspenders? Pray, do explain... I seem to be on a fuzzy
level compared to you...

Bohoalways

[boho gal]

Darkman,

Afraid, in this post your LemonOlade or whatever you call it, has
become rather rotten. If you want to fling sarcastic remarks at other
people, find other victims. And you ask why no-one is posting
anything? Carolyn definitely did not need remarks which lacked even a
whiff of diplomacy. This site is starting to whiff...

[- darkman® -]

Make a contribution Mr. Watts or Fuck off. Is that mannerful enough?

On Oct 13, 10:00 pm, David Watts <watts...@gmail.com> wrote:
> get some manners darkman, second time I made this request.
>

> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Caro <carolynm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Ouch.  So my post had lots and lots of holes in it that you could pick
> > apart.  

~snip

Make a significant contribution Mr. Watts or Fuck off. Is that
mannerly enough?

- darkman® -

[David Watts]

yes uranus, your manners and gradiosity have increased oh most excellent potatohead.

[David Watts]

my contribution is to point out to you that your mania is not under control, you are grandiose, irritable and rude.  now get with the program and follow your own advice
and stop hurting this group. you are no expert to me and mean at best.  good day, I will fuck off thank you.

[- darkman® -]

finished yet kookla. perhaps you might just saunter on back to toys
are us and get a clue Lancelot. Z mental helath board is just that. So
if you are a 2x6 on your way then. PS I have still to see you post
anything of significance. Got any info wordsmith?

~a reluctant me

On Oct 14, 12:58 pm, David Watts <watts...@gmail.com> wrote:
> my contribution is to point out to you that your mania is not under control,
> you are grandiose, irritable and rude.  now get with the program and follow
> your own advice
> and stop hurting this group. you are no expert to me and mean at best.  good
> day, I will fuck off thank you.
>

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:54 AM, David Watts <watts...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > yes uranus, your manners and gradiosity have increased oh most excellent
> > potatohead.
>

[- darkman® -]

please do as usual and use your own arse

On Oct 14, 12:58 pm, David Watts <watts...@gmail.com> wrote:
> my contribution is to point out to you that your mania is not under control,
> you are grandiose, irritable and rude.  now get with the program and follow
> your own advice
> and stop hurting this group. you are no expert to me and mean at best.  good
> day, I will fuck off thank you.
>

> On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:54 AM, David Watts <watts...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > yes uranus, your manners and gradiosity have increased oh most excellent
> > potatohead.
>

[- darkman® -]

On Oct 14, 11:00 am, boho gal <sparro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Darkman,
>

> Afraid, in this post your LemonOlade or whatever you call it, has
> become rather rotten. If you want to fling sarcastic remarks at other
> people, find other victims. And you ask why no-one is posting
> anything? Carolyn definitely did not need remarks which lacked even a
> whiff of diplomacy. This site is starting to whiff...
>

As I must have written before sparrow, bad information is much worse
than no information. If a person walks through the door looking to
have a question answered but sees what she or he thinks is a possible
one answer they may walk out with a faulty or even dangerous
information....and think how lucky they were, they didn't even have to
risk showing themselves by actually asking a question.

In regard to Carolyn, I personally like her very much. however, in
this particular case she made a poor choice by offering faulty
information with no verification and contradicted herself twice. She
knows better. The corrections were not cruel, they were just
corrections.

As to my lemOnade, it comes in many flavors depending on what I might
have dined on the night before.

- darkman® -

[- darkman® -]

On Sep 8, 3:38 am, boho gal <sparro...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Has this been tested specifically for those with bipolar disorder?
> Some medication (I know this is not medication) used to treat
> depression makes bipolar symptoms worse. What stats are available for
> those suffering from bipolar?
>
> On Aug 31, 9:14 pm, larry <dew...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 31, 12:08 pm, - darkman® - <sgi....@gmail.com> wrote:
>

> > > hit this link http://www.neuronetics.com/press-coverage.aspx
>
Hit this link for stats stats would put your inquisitive mind at rest
sparrow? Try here http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=tms+efficacy+bipolar+depression

[- darkman® -]

On Sep 11, 10:10 am, mmmousemaid <mmmousem...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 10, 7:27 pm, - darkman® - <sgi....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 8, 3:38 am, boho gal <sparro...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > Has this been tested specifically for those with bipolar disorder?
> > > Some medication (I know this is not medication) used to treat
> > > depression makes bipolar symptoms worse. What stats are available for
> > > those suffering from bipolar?
>
> > Well Sparrow, you could take my word for it. As I mentioned earlier in
> > another post, I participated in one of the original double blind
> > controlled studies at the Monash Psychiatric Institute; part of The
> > Alfred Hospital in Melbourne, AU. Or, you could user google or any
> > other search engine that you please and enter the words transcranial

> > bipolar depression http://www.google.com/search?q=transcranial+magnetic+stimulation+bipo...

>
> > Let me know your opinion sparro....
>
> I haven't yet had time to look at all -- though most are for unipolar,
> but this one which is cited
> a number of times, does not show promise for bipolar:
>
> 1: Bipolar Disord. 2003 Feb;5(1):40-7.Click here to read Links
>     Left prefrontal transcranial magnetic stimulation (TMS) treatment
> of depression in bipolar affective disorder: a pilot study of acute
> safety and efficacy.

>     Snip~

My dear Erin I've been to the link that I have given you and I beg to
differ, all of the sites listed are for bipolar not Unipolar
depression. As to the citation that you list below, the date is 2003.
Much has happened in 6 years why not try and look again?
http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=tms+efficacy+bipolar+depression+statistics+2009
> Erin

Rick

[- darkman® -]

http://www.lmgtfy.com/?q=tms+efficacy+bipolar+depression+statistics+2009