Recent hopeful news:
County optimistic about 1,739-acre parcel
by Nancy Cook Lauer, West Hawaii Today, Wednesday, January 12, 2011
http://www.westhawaiitoday.com/articles/2011/01/12/local//local03.txt
"... There's even a plan for the estimated 80 million board feet of ironwood growing on the slopes. William Steiner, dean of the University of Hawaii at Hilo College of Agriculture, Forestry & Natural Resource Management, and Josiah Hunt, with Landscape Ecology, plan to convert that wood into biochar, a charcoal type of fertilizer to help hold carbon in the soil.
"The amount of material is huge," Steiner said. "We're still trying to develop the numbers on what size operation will be needed."
But, you know all that - so i can only guess that your goal was humor?
-Ben
Right, Ben! Ironwood and eucalyptus are incredible weed trees in my area. I'm constantly wacking down the volunteer seedings. Otherwise they would be choking my acreage just like my neighbors'. |
Jay? I can't tell whether you are being tongue in cheek or not? Harvesting carbon is nothing like strip mining because the carbon is being extracted renewably from the air, not the ground. There is not likely to be much profit involved (because of the poor economics), and unlikely to be anything taken away for profit elsewhere (because of the cost of transportation). There is not even a shred of similarity to the coal industry. "Weed trees" like ironwood and eucalyptus grow faster than they can be harvested, so defoliating isn't an outcome (even if someone wanted it). And, of course there is no soil toxicity involved, any more than on your own land in Fern Forest. But, you know all that - so i can only guess that your goal was humor? -Ben On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 8:31 PM, Jay FitzGerald <jayw...@hotmail.com> wrote: > It looks to me like another form of strip mining, basically removing the > carbon at personal profit to sell, again at personal profit someplace else. > I understand the appeal, but I see very little difference between this and > the coal industry. Nice work if one can get it. As for the site > defoliated-- well? What are you going to plant to replace the ironwood once > you cut it, in that toxic depleted soil? > > Jay -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "biochar-hawaii" group. To post to this group, send email to biochar...@googlegroups.com. |
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Hi Ben,
No, I'm dead serious.
First, you've got to be sensibly fair. While you're harvesting carbon for sure, you're also the entire nutrient uptake of the ironwood tree during its lifespan, not just carbon, but everything else in the soil it extracted as well. I don't expect there's any interest in replacing those extracted resources. Carbon is what you're marketing. P's and K's and the rest you're exploiting and extracting, and that soil hasn't much of that to give up. That and the rest of it is what is being strip mined. It's significant.
> > come to say, only a fool would sell biochar. You've got the legacy of
> > a plant's life cycle in your hand once you're done, reduced to its
> > fundamentals. You can either utilize that very valuable resource for
> > future growth or sell it off for a quick buck. No farmer would even
> > consider it. Nor would any interested in what terms like
> > "sustainability" means. "
The value of C is an interesting one. Soil Carbon was largely
undervalued for a long time, but has now gained much more appreciation
for the role it plays in healthy soils and in turn for soils ability
to sequester atmospheric C. For more info I suggest you type: Humus,
Soil Organic Matter (SOM), Soil Organic Carbon (SOC) into a search
engine and see what comes up. University of Hawaii, Cornell, and
especially Rodale Institute have all done good research into the value
of Carbon in Soil.
- Josiah Hunt
Might I recommend that you try slightly lower doses. Until the price
of biochar is drops significantly it would make more sense to aim for
the lower end of application rates. A much more economical
application rate would be about 5-10 tons/ acre(7-12k/acre). This
much still seems to have a significant impact on plant growth but a
much smaller impact on the bank account.
- Josiah
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