Opendous Inc. did offer some boards to help on Bicycle LED POV development
Jorge Pinto aka Casainho
Recently I bought 3 development board of avropendous but also did received another board and even another preassembled :-) It were a gift :-) :-) -- nice to know that Open Hardware projects can help each others -- good spirit!!
http://code.google.com/p/avropendous/
I want to make the AVR programmer based on MyUSB Lib and avropendous to program other small AVR MCUs that don't have USB bootloader: http://code.google.com/p/avropendous/wiki/USBtoSerial_AVR_ISP_Programmer
Thank you :-)
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Jorge,
The assembled board was sent as a gift. I want to support your
bicycle-POV efforts. Opendous Inc. tries to support Open Hardware
initiatives whenever able.
Jorge Pinto aka Casainho
> Hello Jorge!
>
> So, as I understand, you bought avropendous PCBs and got also
> preassembled board (almost complete but without header pins, I suppose).
> I congratulate you!
> Hmm, this development board really seems piece of cake, better than
> famous boarduino, in my opinion.
Hello Nikolai :-)
With header pins already ;-)
> What if I try my luck too? :) At least, in usual case, I'll assemble it
> by myself.
Well, buy the assembled board, it's a good investment - but If you have
components already then a board is enough.
Well, I did talked with author about my projects and gave some ideias to
AVRopendous before before buying. We talked more after by e-mail, he
told me that he is in debt, maybe because he bough a big batch of
PCBs... it's an younger student, probably without much money. We may be
in the same position with Bicycle LED POV in future, when we will need
to buy a batch number of PCBs.
So, I would say not to ask for he offer you. But I can offer you 2 PCBs
(not assembled) + mail cost postage, I think I will not need them and I
prefer to buy latter If a really need :-)
> You asked those PCBs via eBay, didn't you? So then you communicated with
> seller from Opendous Inc. and you paid via PayPal, I suppose. I ask
> because I'm newbie with eBay purchases (shame for me).
Yes, I paid by paypal.
> About bicycleLEDPOV firmware: you finally did it! It's great!
> I think about alternative bicycleLEDPOV implementation using PIC uC with
> sufficient number of ports and integrated USB interface (PIC16LF4550,
> for example).
Eheh, Microchip (PIC company) is the Evil on MCUs - this is my opinion.
And why? because not as Atmel, they don't support Free Software tools --
they did used the GCC to build it's C18 C compiler but didn't share it,
we need to pay for C18, Atmel use GCC for GCC-AVR and have employers
that works on GCC-AVR :-) -- in the end, we also pay for the development
of GCC-AVR, but at least, students and enginers without much budget can
use it - even professional companies as my use it :-)
When I were in University, other students did install hacked versions o
C Hitec PIC compiler - It's a shame, we should learn good values on
school!! - and teatchers know about this situation, simple school didn't
have money to buy it nor every student could afford it for each personal
PC.
Think about Arduino... why do you think Arduino is the best well known
Open Hardware and is used by artists, professionals on electronics and
on schools by students? because it's cheap, with Free Software tools,
and then Atmel sells well that AVR MCUs :-) and we are happy buying
it :-) - the same on Bicycle LED POV :-)
Jorge Pinto aka Casainho
> Good promotion will help. How is it possible? Maybe, good advertisement in
> narrow niche in the market (advertising campaign needs much money though)
I am not worried to much, I don't depend of sucess of this project. I
will try to not invest to much money, I don't need to risk.
> Then you'll need even to sell the project to some big company.
> Or - your version :)
One friend gave the idea of trying to sell it to some companies or shops
of bicycles, but with costum animations maybe showing the logo of that
companies or shops.
I think there is need to ship the hardware with some animations!!
> > So, I would say not to ask for he offer you. But I can offer you 2 PCBs
> > (not assembled) + mail cost postage, I think I will not need them and I
> > prefer to buy latter If a really need :-)
> >
> It would be great! I agree :) What's needed from me? How much is it
> fish? Whom I should kill? :)
> My address:
Okok, I will send to you next monday or tuesday :-)
> > Eheh, Microchip (PIC company) is the Evil on MCUs - this is my opinion.
> > And why? because not as Atmel, they don't support Free Software tools --
> > they did used the GCC to build it's C18 C compiler but didn't share it,
> > we need to pay for C18, Atmel use GCC for GCC-AVR and have employers
> > that works on GCC-AVR :-) -- in the end, we also pay for the development
> > of GCC-AVR, but at least, students and enginers without much budget can
> > use it - even professional companies as my use it :-)
> >
> I understand it, but I decide that Good and Evil should be in
> equilibrium in our world, on MCU - too.
> For great justice! :o)
Yes :-) it's important :-) -- and I prefer to be on the side of Open
hardware and Free Software :-) -- we are having some problems at my
companie because we are having some tools that burn and we can't repair
them nor understand what we are doing wrong - with the schematic we
could repair and would help us on our production phase...
> > When I were in University, other students did install hacked versions o
> > C Hitec PIC compiler - It's a shame, we should learn good values on
> > school!! - and teatchers know about this situation, simple school didn't
> > have money to buy it nor every student could afford it for each personal
> > PC.
> >
> For good values, people at least could invent their own bicycle and
> write own C compiler.
> M-hm, and own libraries for it. It's a tons of work, I know.
> Don't you like assembler code? :) I guess, you don't, and neither of
> many people do.
There is no need, we can then use the GCC-AVR, the AVR-Lib C and the
MyUSB Lib -- we can use it for free with autorization from his authors,
not like use pirated versions of Hitech C Compiler. Even the binutils
and AVR assembler are Free Software :-)