Re: Dooring in 🇦🇺
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Serge Issakov
Feb 8, 2019, 10:54:19 AM2/8/19
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Why is the advice to motorists to check before they open their doors?
The advice should be to the people who have skin in the game: ride at least five feet from parked cars!
Serge
On Thu, Feb 7, 2019 at 10:40 PM F Lehnerz <flehne...@gmail.com> wrote:
Andrew R Stewart
Feb 8, 2019, 11:32:46 AM2/8/19
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Serge- As a door opener I have skin in the game too. I don’t want to see my
door crashed into by either a cyclist or another vehicle. So I see the advice
being about taking care of yourself to a degree. Just like advising a cyclist to
avoid the door zone. Same goal. Andy
Andrew R
Stewart
Rochester, New York
USA
Rochester, New York
USA
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Serge Issakov
Feb 8, 2019, 11:41:01 AM2/8/19
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Well, the other consideration is the odds a given motorist who never checks will door someone vs the odds a given door zone cyclist will get doored. I think the cyclist is probably at least 100 times more likely to be doored than the motorist is to ever door anyone.
People tend not to take precautions for extremely unlikely events.
Serge
Wayne Pein
Feb 8, 2019, 2:30:36 PM2/8/19
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A completely open road, and they blithley rode abreast in a DZBL, lured
by the false sense of security and zero awareness of an obvious hazard.
Wayne
by the false sense of security and zero awareness of an obvious hazard.
Wayne
Kat Iverson
Feb 8, 2019, 4:02:44 PM2/8/19
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One commenter said, "Getting doored is a cyclists constant
fear." I never worry about getting doored--I never ride in
the door zone.
Another commenter said the inside cyclist was too close to the parked cars, but it looked to me that even the outside cyclist was close enough to get at least his handlebar clipped, and that would be enough to make him crash. Besides, who would want to take any bets on how far from the parked cars either of them would have ridden if they had ridden single file.
Of course, like Andrew said, it's still good advice to motorists to check before opening their doors, and I suspect that they do check when parked on very narrow streets, where they know the moving cars are closer to them.
Kat Iverson
Another commenter said the inside cyclist was too close to the parked cars, but it looked to me that even the outside cyclist was close enough to get at least his handlebar clipped, and that would be enough to make him crash. Besides, who would want to take any bets on how far from the parked cars either of them would have ridden if they had ridden single file.
Of course, like Andrew said, it's still good advice to motorists to check before opening their doors, and I suspect that they do check when parked on very narrow streets, where they know the moving cars are closer to them.
Kat Iverson
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Serge Issakov
Feb 8, 2019, 4:27:37 PM2/8/19
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Here's Cycliq's post of the video (and comments) on Facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/Cycliq/videos/341342563387183d
https://www.facebook.com/Cycliq/videos/341342563387183d
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