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ed.su...@gmail.com

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Aug 26, 2008, 2:47:15 AM8/26/08
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I just took a look at the Book example on the wiki
http://wiki.bibliontology.com/index.php/Examples#Book and expected
http://purl.org/ontology/bibo/Book to resolve to some nice RDF, but
instead I'm seeing this:

ed@hammer:~$ curl --location --header "Accept: application/rdf+xml"
http://purl.org/ontology/bibo/Book
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
<rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"
xmlns:rdfs="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#">

Am I doing this wrong?

Also the "Bibliographic Ontology namespace document in RDF/XML" link
at http://bibliontology.com/ is broken.

There is also some text indicating what the namespace URI is for
bibo, which appears to 404:

"""
The Bibliographic Ontology is identified by the namespace URI 'http://
purl.org/ontology/biblio/'.
"""

Basically I wanted to get the biblio vocabulary in some machine
readable form, and am having trouble. Although it is 2:46AM, so maybe
that explains most of my trouble :-)

//Ed

Bruce D'Arcus

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Aug 27, 2008, 2:04:56 PM8/27/08
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On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:47 AM, e...@pobox.com <ed.su...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I just took a look at the Book example on the wiki
> http://wiki.bibliontology.com/index.php/Examples#Book and expected
> http://purl.org/ontology/bibo/Book to resolve to some nice RDF, but
> instead I'm seeing this:

Yeah, I brought this up awhile ago. This is among the reasons Fred was
proposing switching to using a slash base URI for the ontology. We
better deal with that soon!

Bruce

ed.su...@gmail.com

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Aug 28, 2008, 2:23:45 PM8/28/08
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So is threre a current URI for the Bibliographic Ontology? And can I
get the RDF for its description? Or is that still a work in progress?

//Ed

On Aug 27, 2:04 pm, "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdar...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 2:47 AM, e...@pobox.com <ed.summ...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I just took a look at the Book example on the wiki
> >http://wiki.bibliontology.com/index.php/Examples#Bookand expected
> >http://purl.org/ontology/bibo/Bookto resolve to some nice RDF, but

Frederick Giasson

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Aug 28, 2008, 2:31:42 PM8/28/08
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Hi Ed,

> So is threre a current URI for the Bibliographic Ontology? And can I
> get the RDF for its description? Or is that still a work in progress?
>

This should be working. I will debug what is going on a little bit later
today.

Thanks,

Fred

Frederick Giasson

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Sep 8, 2008, 7:50:01 AM9/8/08
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Hi Ed,


For your information, this should be fixed by now ;) (just dig-down old
emails and I fixed this issues last week or the one before).


Thanks!

Fred

ed.su...@gmail.com

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Sep 8, 2008, 8:14:20 AM9/8/08
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Thanks Fred,

I'm still confused though. If I resolve the namespace URI I don't get
the full vocabulary back:

--
curl --location --header "Accept: application/rdf+xml" http://purl.org/ontology/bibo/
--

Which would be fine I guess if the individual vocabulary elements
returned something useful, but they don't seem to:

--
ed@curry:~/bzr/vdiff$ curl --location --header "Accept: application/rdf
+xml" http://purl.org/ontology/bibo/Document
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
<rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"
xmlns:rdfs="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#">
</rdf:RDF>
--

For example what I am interested in doing is following-my-nose from
bibo-instance data like:

--
@prefix bibo: <http://purl.org/ontology/bibo/> .
@prefix dc: <http://purl.org/dc/terms/> .

<http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/09/us/09cnd-penn.html> a bibo:Article;
dc:isPartOf <http://www.nytimes.com> ;
dc:date "2007-07-09" ;
bibo:uri "http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/09/us/09cnd-penn.html".
dc:creator <http://examples.net/contributors/100> .
--

to what bibo:Article and bibo:uri are. It's kind of important in the
linked-data worldview no? But perhaps I'm doing something wrong. If
you need any help with us I'd be willing to pitch in, especially as
people are starting to use bibo here and there.

//Ed

On Sep 8, 7:50 am, Frederick Giasson <f...@fgiasson.com> wrote:
> Hi Ed,
>
> For your information, this should be fixed by now ;) (just dig-down old
> emails and I fixed this issues last week or the one before).
>
> Thanks!
>
> Fred
>
> > I just took a look at the Book example on the wiki
> >http://wiki.bibliontology.com/index.php/Examples#Bookand expected
> >http://purl.org/ontology/bibo/Bookto resolve to some nice RDF, but
> > instead I'm seeing this:
>
> > ed@hammer:~$ curl --location --header "Accept: application/rdf+xml"
> >http://purl.org/ontology/bibo/Book
> > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
> > <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"
> > xmlns:rdfs="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#">
>
> > Am I doing this wrong?
>
> > Also the "Bibliographic Ontology namespace document in RDF/XML" link
> > athttp://bibliontology.com/is broken.

Frederick Giasson

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Sep 8, 2008, 8:59:31 AM9/8/08
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As we speek on irc: fixed.

Fred

Mark Diggory

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Sep 8, 2008, 11:59:01 AM9/8/08
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I'm not seeing the full ontology either...

> curl --location --header "Accept: application/rdf+xml" http://
> purl.org/ontology/bibo/

> <?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8" ?>
> <rdf:RDF xmlns:rdf="http://www.w3.org/1999/02/22-rdf-syntax-ns#"
> xmlns:rdfs="http://www.w3.org/2000/01/rdf-schema#">

> <rdf:Description rdf:about="http://purl.org/ontology/
> bibo/"><n0pred:preferredNamespaceUri xmlns:n0pred="http://purl.org/
> vocab/vann/">http://purl.org/ontology/bibo/</
> n0pred:preferredNamespaceUri></rdf:Description>
> <rdf:Description rdf:about="http://purl.org/ontology/
> bibo/"><n0pred:title xmlns:n0pred="http://purl.org/dc/terms/">The
> Bibliographic Ontology</n0pred:title></rdf:Description>
> <rdf:Description rdf:about="http://purl.org/ontology/
> bibo/"><n0pred:description xmlns:n0pred="http://purl.org/dc/terms/"
> xml:lang="en"> The Bibliographic Ontology describe
> bibliographic things on the semantic Web in RDF. This ontology can be
> used as a citation ontology, as a document classification ontology, or
> simply as a way to describe any kind of document in RDF. It has been
> inspired by many existing document description metadata formats, and
> can be used as a common ground for converting other bibliographic data
> sources. </n0pred:description></rdf:Description>
> <rdf:Description rdf:about="http://purl.org/ontology/
> bibo/"><n0pred:isVersionOf xmlns:n0pred="http://purl.org/dc/terms/"
> rdf:resource="http://purl.org/ontology/bibo/"/></rdf:Description>
> <rdf:Description rdf:about="http://purl.org/ontology/
> bibo/"><n0pred:description xmlns:n0pred="http://purl.org/dc/terms/"
> xml:lang="en">
> The Bibliographic Ontology describe
> bibliographic things on the semantic Web in RDF.
> This ontology can be used as a citation
> ontology, as a document classification ontology, or simply as a way
> to describe
> any kind of document in RDF. It has been
> inspired by many existing document description metadata formats,
> and can be
> used as a common ground for converting other
> bibliographic data sources.
> </n0pred:description></rdf:Description>
> <rdf:Description rdf:about="http://purl.org/ontology/
> bibo/"><n0pred:preferredNamespacePrefix xmlns:n0pred="http://
> purl.org/vocab/vann/">bibo</n0pred:preferredNamespacePrefix></
> rdf:Description>
> <rdf:Description rdf:about="http://purl.org/ontology/
> bibo/"><n0pred:creator xmlns:n0pred="http://purl.org/dc/terms/"
> rdf:resource="http://fgiasson.com/me/"/></rdf:Description>
> <rdf:Description rdf:about="http://purl.org/ontology/
> bibo/"><rdf:type rdf:resource="http://www.w3.org/2002/07/
> owl#Ontology"/></rdf:Description>
> <rdf:Description rdf:about="http://purl.org/ontology/
> bibo/"><n0pred:creator xmlns:n0pred="http://purl.org/dc/terms/"
> rdf:resource="http://purl.org/net/darcusb/info#me"/></rdf:Description>
> <rdf:Description rdf:about="http://purl.org/ontology/
> bibo/"><n0pred:identifier xmlns:n0pred="http://purl.org/dc/terms/"
> rdf:resource="http://purl.org/ontology/bibo/"/></rdf:Description>
>

I still rather scratch my head at getting dumped into this "data-
viewer" thing when viewing the url via an http browser. IMHO, the
result (while theoretically correct Cool URI like behavior) serves
almost a disservice when that actual primary representation being
most requested at that URL is a request to get the RDF itself. I'll
probably never redirect my own ontology work this way.

Likewise, I'm just not sure why an ontology defined and maintained at
bibliontology.com should result in some html page at zitgist.com.
Maybe theres a hope that the dataviewer would be a useful tool to
browse the RDFS dynamically, but right now, its not a very useful
tool and I'd rather get redirected to a reliable, static html
representation of the schema at bibliontology.com.

$0.02,
Mark

p.s. Something seems very wrong with "server connection resets" when
trying to view http://www.bibliontology.com

Sambrannigan Sambrannigan

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Aug 25, 2013, 8:12:19 AM8/25/13
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I'va also had problems trying to import the vocabulary in Drupal. The namespace it stores is "http://bibliontology.com/bibo/bibo.php" in the namespaces list, and no data is avalaible for the module. Following this, and changing the base tag gave me a "elcheapo" fix.

Bruce D'Arcus

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Aug 25, 2013, 10:10:48 AM8/25/13
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Not sure how Drupal works here, but that's the wrong namespace for bibo.

On Sun, Aug 25, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Sambrannigan Sambrannigan
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> I'va also had problems trying to import the vocabulary in Drupal. The namespace it stores is "http://bibliontology.com/bibo/bibo.php" in the namespaces list, and no data is avalaible for the module. Following this, and changing the base tag gave me a "elcheapo" fix.
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