Poetry Format

[Samuel Bacon]

I am having difficulty with the poetry format. In particular, the line breaks and indenting. I'm about to tackle putting our OT into USFM for Bibledit which has a bunch of poetry (like all of Psalms and the prophets). Is there a way to get the text to have suitable poetry indents while the verse numbers are all on the left? 

Here is a sample format from Heb 2:5-8 in ESV:

Note that 'What is man ...' does not have a verse number at the start. Its a \q1 line. Note v7 has the verse number then a \q1 line. Note v8 has the verse number then a \q2 line.

But here's how it looks in Bibledit:

The number 7 is indented to the \q1 indent. The number 8 is indented to the \q2 indent.

Here's my USFM in Bibledit:

\p 

\v 5 Ita koalia kona ba mundu nebee sei tuir mai. Maromak la halo mundu nebee sei tuir mai nee atu hakruuk ba anju sira. 

\v 6 Iha fatin ida sira foo testemunha nee, 

\q1 “Saida mak ema, atu O hanoin nia, 

\q2 no saida mak Oan Mane hosi ema, atu O tau matan ba Nia? 

\q1 

\v 7 O halo Nia kiik liu anju sira too tempu uitoan, 

\q2 no O foo koroa ba Nia nebee iha glória no onra,\f + \fr 2:7 \ft Manuskritu balu aumenta, ‘no foti Nia atu ukun buat nebee Ita nia liman mak halo.’ Kompara mos ho Salmu 8:6.\f* 

\q2 

\v 8 no tau buat hotu iha Ninia ain okos hodi hakruuk ba Nia.”\f + \fr 2:6-8 \ft Hosi Salmu 8:4-6.\f* 

Here is the sample from the USFM Reference 2.4, p.37 on Poetry:

For NT I might not be so concerned as there is not a lot of poetry. But OT has a bunch and it would start impacting on page count and readability.

Thanks for all you do,

Samuel

[Teus Benschop]

Hello Samuel,

The properties of for example the \q1 style can be set by creating a new stylesheet and then editing the relevant style in that stylesheet.

The following is an example of the properties that can be set for that style.

Stylesheet	test
Style	q1
Name	Poetic line level 1
Description	Poetry text, level 1 indent, if multiple levels.
Category	Poetry elements
This style	starts a new paragraph
This one	is a normal paragraph
Font size	12 points
Italic	Off
Bold	Off
Underline	Off
Small caps	Off
Text alignment	Left align
Space before	0 mm
Space after	0 mm
Left margin	31.8 mm
Right margin	0 mm
First line indent	-25.4 mm

I think that will take care of most or perhaps all what you need with regard to laying out the text in a nice and poetic way.

Met vriendelijke groeten,

With kind regards,

Teus Benschop

https://freesoftwareconsultants.nl

https://bibledit.org

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[Oreo Warpok]

Teus,

I am struggling with a related problem.

It seems to me that the poetry format that I determine in Bibledit does not transfer to Openoffice/Libreoffice in regards to overflow past one line.

We can overcome that by adjusting the q formats in Libreoffice.

Here is an example where I have not yet modified the q2 format.

The overflow line from the \q2 lain "yaitu suara-suara ...  which is just the two words 'sangat mendalam' is way farther to the right than 1cm (plus a little) that is determined in the BE style sheet.

Phil

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[Samuel Bacon]

Thank you Teus for the info about the styles - I hadn't thought of exploring that. Also I can see that Phil's issue will also become an issue for me - some poetry lines do get long.

Bibledit does a very good job of displaying the poetry. However, after looking at the styles, I don't see a way of handling the verse numbers. Its as if the verse numbers need to sit separately to the text and be aligned on the far left of the column regardless of if it is a q1 or q2 line. And then the text is indented accordingly. Originally, in Word, I wrote the verse number, then 1 tab to start the q1 text and two tabs to start the q2 text. With that method the verse number was always at the far left and did not mess with the alignment of the text.

I will try to provide a sample of Psalms.

Thanks,

Samuel

[Samuel Bacon]

Ok, I've spent some time trying out the settings for styles and export in Bibledit. I noted that the chapter number was not drop capped (due to the following poetry line being short) until I selected 'Use frames for OpenDocument format in case the chapter number ... ' - this was selected in export (not styles). For handling verse numbers I also tried all the options for 'The type of space to insert after a verse number' in export.

It seems to me that Bibledit handles the poetry format through indents. This also indents the verse number along with the text, however the verse number should always remain left aligned. I suggest a better way to handle this is to use tabs for poetry \q1 and \q2 lines (which come after the verse number) and leave the indent function for handling the 'overflow' of longer lines in poetry. If Teus is happy to consider this then I could create it as an issue in Github. But perhaps there's something I'm missing. 

I've attached the openoffice export of Psalm 8:1-4 - the first version is what is exported as close as possible to what I would like. Then second version below it is how I've adjusted the format with tabs to create a more appropriate look. 2 column format was applied to highlight the issue raised by Phil earlier. Note especially how verse 2 is handled. 

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[Teus Benschop]

Hello,

Having the verse numbers aligned to the left looks better than when the verse numbers precede the paragraph text immediately. If this improves the visual layout in OpenDocument format, then I would be happy to look at how to do that in the export formats.

Met vriendelijke groeten,

With kind regards,

Teus Benschop

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[Samuel Bacon]

That would be awesome - it would be a great contribution especially for the poetry of the Old Testament. 

[Oreo Warpok]

That second poetry example is beautiful!

If we could do like that in BE's export formatting, that would be great.

If you are hinting that I add that in github, I will!

Thanks!

Phil

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[Samuel Bacon]

Was there any progress on the poetry format? Should I put a request into gihub?

[Teus Benschop]

The issue was already opened by Phil on GitHub.

https://github.com/bibledit/cloud/issues

Apart from that no work has yet been done because there's other issues coming earlier in the queue.

But you can track its progress via https://github.com/bibledit/cloud/issues when it will be its turn to be dealt with. It will be dealt with in the order the issues are entered on GitHub, pending big bugs that go first.

Met vriendelijke groeten,

With kind regards,

Teus Benschop

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[Samuel Bacon]

Thank you so much, it is very appreciated!

Samuel

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