facebook chat with shankaranarayana bhat dec 21 to 23, 2013

[Thirumala Raya Halemane]

ಕಥೆ ಯಾ?ಅಲ್ಲ ಬ್ಲೋಗ್ ??

namaskaara

ನಮಸ್ಕಾರ

adu facebook chat with ganesh bhat of hww

ok

anthe kaLusiddu ningoge

upadra aadare please ignore

ಹಾಂಗೇನಿಲ್ಲೆ ನಿಂಗ ಬ್ಲೋಗ್ ಬರವಲೆ ಸುರುಮಾಡಿಸಿರಾ ಹೇಳಿ ಗ್ರೇಶಿದೆ

ille shankaranarayana bhat aNNa, aa andaaji ille

ok

matthe entha suddi ?

ವಿಶೇಶ ಏನೂ ಇಲ್ಲೆ ಇದ್ದರೆ ಹೇಳೆಕ್ಕು..

ningo elli ippadu?

ಆದ್ಕತ್ತಿಮಾರ್ ಹೇಳಿ ಪೈವಳಿಕೆ ಹತ್ತರೆ

oh ok kELidde hesaru. paivaLike madale saNNa ippaga hOgikonDu idda jaage

ambikana enna ajjana mane

uppaLa hattharanda obbaru temple priest usa ge kelavu varsha hinde tour banditthiddavu veda panDithara group lli

ningo priest ?

ಆನು krishika

ambikanalli yava mane ningala ajjana mane?

ambikana thimmanna bhat hELi. avu eega ille avakke yELkana nda maduve aaddadu

Sunday 12:06am

appu gontiddu avara tammange enna atteya kottadu

avara maga Ramakrishna Bhat alladaa?

Sunday 8:49am

appu avuve. ningaLa attheya mooDambikaana aaringe kottadu, hesarentha ? appu Ramakrishna bhat enna sOdara maava. iyer lady from madras maduve aagitthu love marriage. avakke family li thumba problems aagitthu. ajja-ajji matthu kaDeya eraDu thangeyakko and later Ramakrishna bhat kooDaa thumba kashta anubhavisitthiddavu. quarrels, unfulfilled expectations. family li oDaku, vaimanasya huttuvaange aagitthu.

Appu adellaa gontiddu

Mahabala bhatringe enna sodaratteya kottadu

ok

Hangagi avarellaa gontiddu

saNNa ippaga hOyide ajjana thammandira manage, obba aNNa kaaNutthu avakke, one of his brothers is a lawyer or judge in bangalore

Yes

Another Dr in BC road

Avara maga kooda Dr

ok

FB li avellaa iddavu

oh ok

enage parichaya hELi ille oorilli contact kami aada kaaraNa

matthe parichaya alli illi maaduvadu raja raja

Eega ninga ellippadu?

aanu eega usa li new jersey li ippadu

Enna aliyandiru 3 jana US li iddavu

Monday 11:18am

oh, ok. aaru elliddavu ? btw, Krishna bhat k hELi, uppaLa side navu yoga professor in mangalore university also had visited here. ningaLa mane hatthare aavutthaa avaraddu ?

Appu enna nerekare

ok

ambikana Ramakrishna bhat enna maava or his father, ningo ge parichaya itthaa ?

Aanu sannadippagale parichaya

Eega avu iddava?

same school ?

Ramakrishna bhat is there

ajja theeri hoyidavu

Ennanda senior

Adu gontiddu

Manglireli kelavu sarti kandide

paivalike school and kaayarkatte high school ?

appu manglore lli itthidavu

eega alli ille

Eega alli illeya?

kanyaana aashrama lli September lli aanu bhEti aayide

eega madras nge hoyidavaDa

engoge contact raja kami because of strained relationship, ajja-ajji-thangeyakkala ava nOdidda illle hELuva kaaraNa kke

Avana hendati ndagi tumbaa kastta banda

appu

aadare I think she was the scapegoat

i think there were external forces working to destroy the family

Antoo family halatu

appu

ellaringoo kashta aatthu

Appa ammana sariyagi nodaddare akkaa

Avara maga iddallada ava enta madutta

i think the ambikana family was targeted and destroyed

S

avara maga dakshina kannada lli idda aDaa. may be gurpura

Alli eega benne bava obbane rajja sari jeevisutta

he has only small job, printing i think

he is married

aachaarthi hELi nenapu

Aanu avara jalligudde manage hogitte

Aa maniya kesada hudugana hange nadesigondittavu

i saw him during my visit once, may be about 10 to 15 years ago

Kk

also in 2004

magalakkogude maduve aayidu, athlaagi madras kadenda

Madras inge hogi esttu samaya aatu

so, he has done his responsibility as a parent, even though he could not help his father, mother, sisters

that means he is basically a responsible person, not irresponsible person

Gontiddu avana sannadippaga lasgayttu

madras nge hOgi eega 1 or 2 months ashte

ok

Ok

Moodambikana modalu nammoraddu eega beary gokke aayidu

avana mangalore llippa manage aanu hOgippaga maadu ella otte aagi mane oLa neeru sOrikonDu itthu

he was in real bad poverty there, but the house was in his daughter;s name aDaa. avu avenge support maadthaville, do not know the reason

ondu daughter france lli iddada. innondu madras lli itthiddu eega Bangalore kaanutthu

the daughter has sold the house in mangalore without his knowledge when he was in kanyaana aDaa

both daughters are married to iyers, i think

Eega ava kanyanalli iddana?

Avana life trajady

oh, mooDambikaana also ? ellaa kaDeliyoo braahmaNa ra aTTutthaa iddavu, nammolage jagaLava prachOdisi, halligaLinda ODisi, pETe kaDege seLadu

appu avana life is big tragedy. eega kanyaana lli ille hELi mooru vaara hinde amamnge phone maadippaaga gonthaathu

enna ondu thange, maduve aagaddadu aa ashrama lli iddu. innondu thange alli itthiddadu 2009 lli theeri hOyidu

Adenta adakke aaroo ashritarilleya

aaringe thangage ?

Appu

appu, thammandiri nge maduve ge illadre koosu sikka hELi aathu. jahnavi heLi theeri hOda thangage (rajEndra nge akka ibbaroo) ashtu ushaari itthille. hELidare churuku ille, physically and IQ). mane li kashta aavutthu hELi haangaagi sERisiddu

aamEle rajEndraNNa nge koosu sikkule sulabha aathu.

Rajendrana hendati enna soseya relative

innondu eega ippadu mane li ye itthu. adu churuku iddu, mane oLa raja jOru swabhaava. maduvage saakashtu prayathna maadiddare adakke aavutheethu maduve

oh, ok

Ravishankara elkana ningala chikkammana magana?

aa thange sudha hELi, makakLa nODule, mane kelasakke ella sahaaya maadikonDu itthu. haange maneliye itthu, with rajendra and with my elder brother keshava prasad

appu yelkana chikkamma na maga ravishankara idda

Ninga ottu esttu jana

jahnavi ya yelkana lli eraDu thingaLu or so maaditthiddu

improve aagali hELi

aanu illi America kkooo karesitthidde

some improvement was there but very difficult it was

could not be sustained

Ninga allige hogi esttu varsha aatu

i came in 1974

Ok

similarly sudha thange ya Bangalore lli enna chikkamma na maneli 6 thingaLu iddu prayathna maaditthu. she had improved somewhat, perhaps. but, needed care was not there i think, it may have been more of a pressure and forcing kind of tactics to make her behave since she was "jOru swabhaava" ddu

that was in 1983. ambaga adakke improve aagi maduve maadusule eDigu hELi aanu abhipraya pattitthidde

but was disappointed that it did not happen

aanu 2004 lli bandippaga adara (sudha) ennottinge thiruvananthapura, kanyakumari, guruvaayoor, paLani, Madurai, rameshwara, mysore, nanjanagood ella karakkonDu hOgitthidde

actually I think both my sisters jahnavi and sudha were targeted and psychologically damaged after 1974, in their schools and outside, once I came to usa, after an assessment was made about me. also rest of the family. but jahnavi and sudha were affected more severely, esp jahnavi. later my younger brother ravi got affected or got hurt trauatized badly similarly also. it is the work of anti-dharma, anti-india, anti-hindu, anti-brahmin, anti-havyaka, anti-ambikana, anti-halemane, anti-thirumalaraya evil forces

anyway, ningo ge thumbaa dhanyavaadagaLu shankaranarayana bhat aNNa, chat maaDiddu kushi aathu, happy to know that you were schoolmate with my maternal uncle sOdara maava ambikana Ramakrishna bhat and knew him and others at ambikana personally for many years. our many thanks, praNaams and best wishes to you and family. all the best.

Monday 10:20pm

Ok. Thank you enagoo ningala hattare matadi santhosha aatu

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Wednesday 2:32am . . ತಿರುಮಲಣ್ಣ.....ಇವು ನಿಂಗಳ ಅಪ್ಪ ಅಬ್ಬೆಯಾ...?.....ಹೀಗೆ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದೆ...ಹೆಂಗಾಯಿದು....?... . Wednesday 10:42am namaskaara ganEshaNNa. ivu enna ajj ನಮಸ್ಕಾರ ಗಣೇಶಣ್ಣ. ಇವು ಎನ್ನ ಅಜ್ಜ ಮತ್ತು ಅಜ್ಜಿ. ಹಳೆಮನೆ (ಕಾರಿಂಜೆ ) ಕೇಶವ ಭಟ್ಟ ಮತ್ತು ತಿರುಮಲೇಶ್ವರಿ. ಲಾಯಿಕಾಯಿದು ನಿಂಗೊ ಟಚ್ ಅಪ್ ಮಾಡಿದ್ದು. ಇನ್ನೂ ಸ್ವಾಭಾವಿಕ ವಾಗಿ ಬಯಿನ್ದು. ಥ್ಯಾಂಕ್ಸ್ . ಓಹ್ ಇವು ಮತ್ತೂ ಹಳೆಯವು ಹಂಗರೆ ....ಆನು ಅಜ್ಜಿಯ ಮತ್ತೆ ನಿಂಗಳ ಮತ್ತು ರಾಜೇಂದ್ರಣ್ಣನ ಮುಖಚಹರೆಯ ಹೋಲಿಕೆಯಿಂದ ಅಬ್ಬೆ ಹೇಳಿ ಗ್ರೇಶಿದೆ...ತಪ್ಪಾತು . appu s appu enta suddi ? . ಮತ್ತೆಂತ ಸುದ್ದಿ ಇಲ್ಲೆ....ಇಲ್ಲಿ ಭಯಂಕರ ಚಳಿ ಬೀಳತೇ ಇದ್ದು ಈಗ ಮನುಗುದೇ... . illiyoo chaLi hima enna ajja hechchu kaliyaddaroo, very intelligent, hardworkind and wise person very considerate also aNNaaya bhattaru hELi avakke thumba gowrava itthu engaLa kaDe li during his younger days, avara kaarubaaru time lli he was somebody we all looked up to as a role model person his education was only 3rd grade / standard, but his character and ability was so high the family was very poor when he was in his youth . ಓಹ್ ಅಪ್ಪಾ . it was because of his leadership, I think, that the halemane people came up one thing he told me once in the 1970s when I was college student perhaps, I had almost forgotten, but came back to me as a very important titbit, hint of information, also confirming my other suspicions . ಹೌದು ನಂಗಳ ಏಳ್ಗೆಯಲ್ಲಿ ಹಳೇಯೋರ ಪಾತ್ರ ತುಂಬಾ ದೊಡ್ಡದು . he said, when I mentioned to him about my meeting dr balike rama bhat in iit madras or writing to him something like that (we had a good, close relationship with balike rama bhat during those days as an appachchi who was doing very well with high degrees and big jobs, related to us from both grandfathers' sides through their aunt and sister married to balike families) he said that "baaLike yavu kure" looking back, I think it is a statement with much meaning 9and not about kanjoos or poverty or spendthrift) it was about character. using info in a backstabbing, deceptive way, or being a transmitter of such info of bringing harm to the halemane family, I suspect that it started with my grandfather's time. that balike was involved in putting poison seed, vishada beeja, in the halemane family, between my grandfather and his brothers. perhaps it resulted in one of his brothers (aachigaaNa ajja, mahalinga bhat) becoming mentally unstable, he would get mental attacks about twice a year or so, very violent at that time. also stealing aDike etc from our jaalu front-or-side-yard . ಇಷ್ಟು ದೊಡ್ಡ ಜಾಬಲ್ಲಿದ್ದು ದೂರದ ಅಮೇರಿಕಾದಲ್ಲಿದ್ರೂ ಹಿರಿಯರ ಬಗ್ಗೆ ನಿಂಗೊಗಿರುವ ಗೌರವ ಭಾವನೆ ಕಂಡು ಹೆಮ್ಮೆ ಅನಿಸಿತು ತಿರುಮಲಣ್ಣ...I really proud of you.... . more animosity, stress etc between family members I strongly suspect that external anti-halemane forces were involved, and were using close relatives, like these balike people, against us, for at least three generations. they also acted against ambikana 9and later yelkana0 ambikana was totally ruined atarting in the 1970s, lots of hardships thanks for listening. u may be tired. good night . ಇಲ್ಲೆ ತಿರುಮಲಣ್ಣ....ಎನಗೆ ಎಂತ ಹೇಳೆಕ್ಕು ಗೊಂತಾಯದಿಲ್ಲೆ ಅದಕ್ಕೇ ಸುಮ್ಮನಿದ್ದೆ . btw, later, conflicts were created among my ajja and his sons, between my father and my appachchi, and, their father my appachchi quarreled with his father (my ajja in the photo) and my father, starting in the late 1960s, and, finally built his house and left old ajja alone, totally unconcerned (others must have influenced him to change like that because he was very different type very good son previously, also very fond of my father and all of us, I was his favorite when small) my younger brother udayabhanu stopped his education and stayed with ajja afterwards for a few years, later (after ajja passed away) we were able to sell the propert although for very small amount) earlier attempt to sell and take ajja to mangalore with us was not successful. and my appachchi refused to take care of the property even after I requested him to do so, saying he does not have to give us any money, just look after it and enjoy it for a few years until my father 9his brother) retires and comes back to live in the village (we had only rented house in mangalore), and other younger brothers and sisters were there. i had a meeting with my appachchi in july-aug 1974, a few weeks before i came to usa for phd, when i was spending the vacation with ajja helping in supervision of agriculture, paddy cultivation, for about a month or two after finishing MSc at IIT madras i was very disappointed by his reply, refusal to help ajja and us, by continuing to oversee or manage the entire property as he had done until a year before and keep the earnings, keep the beLe for himself he or his wife did not have to take care of ajja i had told him that we will take ajja to mangalore to live with us i had also asked him if he wanted to buy our share of the property he said no, he could not afford it he said he wants to just take care of his family and his share of the property he did not want to help ajja he did not want to invite ajja to live with him, of course, they quarreled, got their share, built new house, and left the main house, leaving ajja alone. ajja later hired a cook to stay with him, old havyaka person . ಛೆ . looking back, ever since 1968, after i came to Bangalore, there were hidden evil forces targeting me, also in iit madras, in usa and in india at those times, during those years, i thought they were all discriminations against me, partiality thOrisiddu against people from dakshina kannada in Bangalore, against non tamilians in nadrsa, against brown foreigners in usa etc. i connected everything together only later, much later, starting in the 1990s and later so, the struggle continues anyway, i will stop now, saying many thanks, praNaams and best wishes to you and family matThe ellaa sowkhya ? . ಸೇಮ್ ಟು ಯೂ ತಿರುಮಲಣ್ಣ ಗುಡ್ ನೈಟ್ . ಎಲ್ಲ ಸೌಖ್ಯ . good night ok bye sweet dreams . 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