With Dr Rudra Narasimham Rebbapragada on 2026 June 20 to July 10

[Thirumala Raya Halemane]

With Dr Rudra Narasimham Rebbapragada  on 2026 June 20 to July 10

On Friday, July 10, 2026 at 09:03:49 AM EDT, trhal...@gmail.com <trhal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Shree-Ji-Sir Dr Rudra avarugaLu,

Yes, Okay, Thank You.

And what you have given is an Excellent Amazing type of view and approach, yet very much well-rooted-in-solid-facts, not over-generalizing-speculation that could turn out to be completely wrong (unlike other prevailing views regarding Evolution etc that are being forced down the throats of students in schools and in the scientific community establishment, with behind-the-scenes political or other agendas included, of course, I strongly feel. 

So, what you have written here is commendable, and very much so.

And Thank You for sharing info about your personal journey from young days that shaped your life and career, it is very interesting. Of course, you have picked up a lot of knowledge regarding various other fields, physics, philosophy, math, politics etc included. GREAT.

From my perspective, your contributions are unique, amazing, excellent, outstanding, exceptional, transformational, wonderful, beautiful. I have also benefited from it. Thank You.

Our Many Thanks, Regards and Best Wishes

dr thirumala raya halemane

13 eagles pass, princeton, nj 08540

On Mon, Jun 29, 2026 at 1:30 PM R.Rudranarasimham <rebbap...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Thanks. We can always talk about life as it exists in this present moment. It is not an argument about which has come first, the egg or the chicken? Life involves a substance or living matter that is constituted by known Chemical Elements. We apply the knowledge of physics & chemistry to account for ongoing processes of life and it has nothing to do with the past or the future. All atoms combine in fixed proportions to form specific molecules; the most important biomolecule is the water molecule. The breaking down, the repairing, and the rebuilding of molecules during life continues all the time. To look at Brahman, Indians recommend Self-Discovery.

Your move to Maths, Physics and Chemistry (in Andhra Pradesh, we call it the MPC course) during the Pre-University Course or  PUC is very similar to my move to Biology Physics and Chemistry, we call it BiPC for opposite reasons (my eldest brother recommended that I must avoid Maths for I have no aptitude to learn Maths). I finished my PUC during 1961-62 academic year and joined the 3-year degree course B.Sc in 1962 with Botany, Zoology, and Chemistry with no Physics.

Rudra Narasimham Rebbapragada

Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA

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On Friday, June 26, 2026 at 05:58:15 PM EDT, Thirumala Raya Halemane <trhal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Shree Rudra JI,

Thank You. 

I very much appreciate your response, indicating perhaps, your confidence in me etc..

Yes, Okay, photosynthesis can be thought of as involving physics and chemistry of matter,

Similarly, physics and chemistry theoretic explanation or modeling can be done whenever 

processes involve materials or material changes in one way or another. 

However, when life is also involved, matter-based explaining or modeling will not work adequately,

it will not be like a full scientific type explanation, although some may like to view it that way,

perhaps leaving the inadequate parts for future science etc.

And, as you have indicated, life is dependent on other life for survival and progress. 

Only plant life seems to have independent style existence, ability to directly draw upon 

non-living entities, like soil, water, photons (perhaps any light okay ?), for sustenance

and growth.

However, even here, the starting point is a seed or sapling or so, just mixing of chemicals

will not be sufficient to start new plant life. 

And dead leaves or dead plants do not do photosynthesis. 

So, Life or a living entity is more than just matter, we can say.

Physics etc, science and its theories, are models and the explanations are done within those 

models. Such modeling generally have their limitations, and regions of validity, These may be

associated with the assumptions, whether inherent or explicit or not, consistency and coherence

requirements, not being self-contradictory etc. Over-generalization, over-extrapolation if done,

the theory or the model may not work well in the extrapolated domains.

In my previous email I had mentioned Shree M S Nayak's influence and help to me in younger years.

There was also Shree T Srinivas Pai, the Chemistry Dept Head and Shree Rev Fr  L F Rasquinha, 

the Principal there at St Aloysius College, Mangalore, whose guidance and help turned out to be 

very important for my forward path, for choices made at the time regarding study subjects, 

project work for scholarship, further education path.

Initially I was in the path for going to medicine as per the family hopes and desires from my very young years, 

but my love for continuing studying Mathematics was too strong, I was not much attracted towards biology, 

In fact, soon after joining the Biology batch (needed for medical line) in college, I was concerned that the biology 

lab involved dissection of frogs and I was not sure if I would like it. Yet, I had initially planned to wait till those 

lab experiments started, but that got delayed again and again, and finally I made the switch to PCM before it 

may have become impossible to do so, (while I was still keeping up with the Math class progress with help

from my friends, especially my high school classmate friend Prabhakar. That choice had to be made then at the 

PUC level (which is like 11th grade), either PCB or PCM, that is Physics and Chemistry and either Biology or Math.

Shree T Srinivas Pai invited me to work with him in the Chemistry labs (during holidays / vacations), for the 

project work that was required (in addition to the written exam), for the NSTS National Science Talent Search 

Scholarship Exam. He also suggested a project work topic which I did, namely "Chemical Analysis of Palm Sugar 

and Sugar Candy". He in fact got those local products for me to analyze in the lab, all done as guided by him.

This was in the 1968-69 academic year when I was in PUC Pre University Course, after finishing 10th Std, and 

SSLC Secondary School Leaving Certificate Exam which was a common exam for all students in the whole 

state, then Mysore State, later renamed Karnataka State.

 

My elder brother was already in engineering college at the time, and unemployment was considered high for 

engineering degree holders also. Moreover, most jobs were far away from our region, so I did not even 

consider going to engineering. With BSc  andor M Sc degrees jobs would be a lot easier, it was felt. At that age,

we were not thinking about pay or salary amounts, standard of living etc concepts. But, we just knew that a job 

or a career would be needed. 

I got the NSTS Scholarship, but the nearest approved college was in Bangalore. Also it seems I could have been 

directly admitted to IIT (nearest in Madras), if I wanted, because of my securing First Rank in PUC in University 

of Mysore. But I had not applied anywhere, had made no moves, not sure what to do, and the next academic 

year classes had already started, it was 1969 June. 

Then when I met the Principal, Rev. Fr. Rasquinha at his office in the college, he suggested I bring my father, 

which I did. He suggested and guided us for me to join BSc (Hons) in Physics at St Joseph's College in 

Bangalore, staying there in the Hostel. We took his note, and the bus the next day.

Regards and Best Wishes

thirumala raya halemane

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On Tue, Jun 23, 2026 at 11:51 AM R.Rudranarasimham <rebbap...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

As a physicist, in my assumption, you are better qualified in terms of your education (nothing to do with present or past occupation) to understand the physical and chemical processes involved in the operation of life. The basis for the primary Photochemical reaction like Photosynthesis is the photoelectric effect that causes the splitting of water molecule. Physics is involved in this conversion of radiant energy into a chemical form of energy that all living things use (both autographs and heterotrophs like man). Energy acquisition is the primary behavior and all living things live by either consuming life or consuming products made by life and often both methods. To live is essentially a good behavior as it is good for all living things. This mechanism involving the transformation of energy is entirely a creative process and it is not the result of either evolution or exposure to learning. This is the good nature implanted by God in all living things.

Rudra Narasimham Rebbapragada

Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA

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On Monday, June 22, 2026 at 07:36:49 PM EDT, Thirumala Raya Halemane <trhal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Shree Dr Rudranarasimham Rebbapragada,

Thank You for your feedback, comments. It is amazing, indeed.

You are 100% correct in your statements.

However, the assumptions you make yourself, like assuming that as a physicist I owe some explanation to others for something etc .. are also there in your comments.

That of course is your, or someone else's, assumption regarding it, perhaps because of my having physics degrees and having got the opportunity to work in physics field for some time, and, which, later I was happy to get out of, not happy for being "slotted into it" by the external, environmental factors, the existence of which you also mention.

And in fact, these external factors themselves were influencing me and helping me to get into the physics field in my younger years, no doubt about it, 

We can say then perhaps that physics was in my behaviour, not necessarily in my nature, going by or using one of your statements in your email. 

And, by the way, my father-in-law also correctly stated, some years ago. that I was influenced into becoming a physicist, meaning I did not necessarily have to be in physics.  Yes, this was so, influenced esp by Shree M S Nayak, Physics Lab Instructor / Demonstrator at St Aloysius College in Mangalore.    

When I was a student at University of Rochester, Prof Vasudev M Kenkre had once asked me about it, if I really needed to be a physicist only. And I had replied No, and said that if I returned to settle in India, I may perhaps try to start some industry / business (this was back in the mid 1970s, when it was not common to do so).

You have mentioned matter, energy, photoelectric effect and photochemical reactions. And of course there is also photosynthesis which is a photo-biochemical reaction in living plants. Dead plants or dead leaves are not capable of photosynthesis. 

And, most physicists, usually do not claim that physics can handle or explain life, but of course there is a whole range of forces, agendas, regarding the concept that life evolved from matter, and further theories about evolution, survival of the fittest etc, but as we all know there is no full agreement on these in scientific or other  circles, and many believe politics, other agendas are mixed up with science, with knowledge in this area, as you would also know, and appreciate.

And, as we know, nobody has convincingly demonstrated that life or living cells can be formed by mixing chemicals or matter and energy. 

And, you yourself have stated in your emails, writings, about the nature of living cells, that they also have consciousness. That is a very significant statement about life, which I much appreciated reading.

The Shakti energy of Hindo shastras is at a very different level or realm than the physical energy in physics. It is incorrect to equate it as being the same as the simple energy concept we come across in our physics class. 

So matter and energy as is considered in physics, do not deal with biology and life. Any extrapolation in that direction will be beyond the region of applicability of physics concepts, and therefore likely invalid as a physics theory. 

Now coming back to your statement about Christianity religion, Yes, Okay, you are correct, there are evil doers. The evil doers are usually specific individuals and groups who may give their religion as justification. 

It does not prove or disprove anything about the God concept, just because they also say that God made man in his image, as per their belief. 

So, again that will be a too big extrapolation to assume that it is proof that evil men are God-representatives or that their or Christianity's belief about God concept is wrong or anything like that. 

The point is that assumptions, which as you say are inherent in our statements, theories, views etc, although yes, okay they are there, but those assumptions can also be mistaken, can be over-generalizations. .. and so on ... So we need to be cautious about it. 

Thank You.

Regards and Best Wishes

dr thirumala raya halemane

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On Sun, Jun 21, 2026 at 11:50 AM R.Rudranarasimham <rebbap...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Thanks for sharing. Like all others, both from the East and the West, you make assumptions about Human Behavior vs Human Nature. Scientists discuss Human behavior (what you call Guna, like the mode of Goodness called Sattvic) and have proposed theories which think of behavior as the result of an external, environmental influence or as something that evolved to defend the survival of the species. It relates to the origin of man. What is the status of man in Nature? How did man arrive on this planet? How can man defend his mortal existence? What is Innate Knowledge and what is Acquired Knowledge or Learned Experience? The standard Biblical version is very simple. Man is created by God and God implanted His own nature to make man in His own image. Yet, we see man expressing evil, cruel, wicked behavior. The Knowledge of Brahman is innate for it connects man and God, the fundamental connection between Energy and Matter. As a physicist, you need to account for your physical existence in this natural world exploiting Light as the source of your energy. No scriptures give an account of what Physicists explain as the Photoelectric Effect, the basis of Photochemical Reactions.

Rudra Narasimham Rebbapragada

Ann Arbor, MI 48104-4162 USA

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On Saturday, June 20, 2026 at 11:04:32 AM EDT, Thirumala Raya Halemane <trhal...@gmail.com> wrote:

braahmanya is the basis for humanity living values, 

ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣ್ಯದಲ್ಲಿದೆ ಮಾನವೀಯತೆಯ ನೆಲೆ, 

Importance of Brahminism in Society

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in the old photos here, from mid 1980s,1983 or so perhaps, when we visited, we see us, worker, family, friends, relatives at our Nanthoor house in Mangalore, India. Also, one photo with our neighbor Fernandes teacher (formerly Brother Aloysius, my favorite teacher, I was his favorite student, when in middle school grades, 6th & 7th Stds at Padua High School there.