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Nov 8, 2025, 10:16:59 AM (19 hours ago) Nov 8
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1) to 4), includes "scholastic apartheid", and more, = see below

1) With Cliff Saunders, Neuroplastician in UK
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2) ONAT a post from Hirendrasinhji Rana, referring to post by Suchit Ahuja सुचित आहूजा, referring to Hindol Sengupta post
regarding "scholastic apartheid", and its strong, continuing impacts due to colonial history ramifications etc
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1) With Cliff Saunders, Neuroplastician in UK
2025 October 30
Cliff Saunders  6:00 AM 
Dear Thirumala,  
Very nice to meet you, welcome to my little corner of madness.  
Are you interested in my line of neuro magic?  
Warm regards,  
Dr. Cliff  

Me:
👍  
Thanks!  
How's everything with you?  
I hope all's well  
Regards  
Take Care. Best Wishes.  

Cliff Saunders  8:04 AM 
Most everything is very well with me, thank you for asking.  
How about you?  

Me:
You are welcome. I am doing Okay, under the circumstances, our unique situation, we might say, and, Thanks for asking. 
ps= PLEASE HELP .. (rest deleted here for brevity, my usual message with family photo)

Me:
Yes, and also, 
Hi Cliff, it's great to connect with you. Looking forward to staying in touch.  
(sent 2 photos)

2025 October 31
Me:
(divide & rule failed, now reversing = Everything Connected Advaitha, King Ashoka history details falsified, male-female in Japan, ..  ...ETC
(deleted here for brevity, info from my earlier posts)

Cliff Saunders  9:46 AM 
Dear Thirumala,  
Prof C K Raju is one of Prof Nisa Khan’s colleagues and he raises excellent points about the History of Mathematics and how it is taught.  
It’s a bit long so make popcorn sit back and prepare to be impressed.  
Here are his writings on the deColonization of Mathematics in Bahrat. 
Best,  
Dr. Cliff  

Me:
Okay  
👍  
Thanks  

2025 November 1
Me:
Dear Dr. Cliff, Thanks for those references above, links to Prof C K Raju's video and work. I watched the video. Yes, indeed, it is amazing, lots of good info, perspectives on how Mathematics has developed, colonial impacts on education etc. Very impressive in its own way.   
By the way, I have an MA in Maths also, and, although I was always much interested in Maths, I decided that I did not want to go much deeper than that into it, and that I felt better about doing things that are more likely to be viewed as being in the applications realm, not just "theoretical" for its own sake.   
I have done research work in theoretical physics back then. PhD in Physics, and later for some years of research & teaching, also in industry. Now, totally out of touch with my past work fields for many many years.  

2025 November 2
Cliff Saunders  2:07 AM 
👍   
(my reaction 🙏)  

Me:
Dr Cliff, 
I remember a conversation with my sister-in-law Sudha Kailar about subject fields, and I said "even Mathematics is only a model". It was back in 1983-84 when we were at State University College, Fredonia NY. I do not remember exactly, but very likely I was commenting on the common notion many of us had then about "pure Mathematics", that is "purity" of Mathematics, which was, in sone sense, considered as the "purest" of the sciences, others like physics for example, involves various approximations in its progress, way forward etc. and perhaps this is where the "theology" and the Church factor that is mentioned in that talk by video by Prof C K Raju can be connected. O am offering my take or opinion about it. Ancient Indian approach to Science or Mathematics "GANITHA" or Knowledge, is not limited or "constricted" by such type "reasoning", but the effort there is for embracing truth, in all its aspects, including feasible or needed or existing or possible or impossible etc aspects, which we may consider is like the "involving Infinity" claim by the speaker in that talk. As we know, "theological purity" notion relates or exists or put forth by people in religions also, for the progress of their agendas. and it has its own impacts, repercussions, in the real world. Thanks for bearing with me, my guesses and opinions.  

Me:
In many cases, including in physics, we often forget the "assumptions". and there could be some implied assumptions which are not stated. For example, in Mechanics, the many body problem is considered not solvable exactly, but Mechanics can make progress and deliver useful results for applications in spite of this huge handicap or difficulty  

2025 November 3
Cliff Saunders  2:09 AM 
Yes.
Have you met @M. Nisa Khan  

Me:
Thanks, Dr Cliff. I appreciate your response very much. 
And, No, I have not met @M. Nisa Khan  

2025 November 4
Cliff Saunders  7:52 AM 
Connect with her and say 'Cliff said to say Hi. Hi'  

Me:
D ear Cliff, Okay, Thanks, and I have sent her a Connect request, but it is not important for me, THANKS ANYWAYS. (I am not a Verified Member, so less likely to receive a reply, it seems). PLEASE DO NOT WORRY ABOUT ME. I AM DOING OKAY. 
BEST WISHES. AUMMM...  

Me:
Cliff,  
that account just disappeared, before my eyes, while I was looking atone of her posts, it is no longer there, unfortunately. It is not a surprise. Similar mysterious disappearances HAVE happened to me, here and elsewhere = NOTHING TO WORRY. DO WELL. ALL THE BEST. GOOD LUCK. BE BRAVE. BE WISE. TAKE CARE. BEST WISHES AUMMM...
(Seen)

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2) ONAT a post from Hirendrasinhji Rana, referring to post by Suchit Ahuja सुचित आहूजा, referring to Hindol Sengupta post
regarding "scholastic apartheid", and its strong, continuing impacts due to colonial history ramifications etc

2025 October 27 
Me:
ONAT
(my reaction to the post = ♥️)

it is a post from Hirendrasinhji Rana, referring to post by Suchit Ahuja सुचित आहूजा, referring to Hindol Sengupta post
regarding "scholastic apartheid", and its strong, continuing impacts due to colonial history ramifications etc

Me:
YES YES YES  DO WELL. ALL THE BEST. GOOD LUCK, BE BRAVE. BE WISE. TAKE CARE. BEST WISHES AUMMM... JAI TRUTH AND DHARMA. JAI PRAJAA-PRABHUTWA DHARMA. 
ps= 
Me: .. false accusations are even made by individuals who may justify it to themselves and those around them in the name of justifiable "politics" for manufacturing perceptions for helping in their agendas, (and I have seen it happen, with our temple efforts in New Jersey, during HTCS-HATCC merger talks, with people pushing for such a goal, to eliminate HATCC, to help the agenda of HTCS by deliberately bad-mouthing HATCC, its leaders, objectives etc, even mis-representations, false accusations also, back in 1990-91, early 1990s timeframe. The Indian American community here has come a long way since then; much transformation has happened.   
Our temple effort, with its own community-internal & external politics, here in New Jersey, and its influence & impacts, here and beyond, including in USA, India, worldwide, on Hindus, Indians, as well as others, all people, has been pivotal, served as turning point, transformation catalyst, since 1987, and has opened up new ways, new possibilities, new views, new attitudes, new approaches for doing things, for life and living !!! And, one ...

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3) With Chethan Rao, Software tools and Software Automation Engineer in USA

Sep 20, 2024 
Me:
Hi Chethan,  
It's been some time since we connected. How have you been? 
ps= YES, OUR CHILDREN SUFFERED, WERE TARGETED, YES Although in severe shock and great stress, 
(rest deleted here for brevity)

Chethan Rao   9:03 PM 
Doing good. How are you?  

Me:
I am fine, Thanks for asking  

Chethan Rao   10:18 PM 
You are brother of our nitk dean halamane sir  
I remember meeting him in second year  

Chethan Rao   10:20 PM 
My mama also worked in bell labs, Subramanya shastry.do you know him?  

Sep 21, 2024 
Me:
Nice 
Yes, I am his younger brother  

Me:
I may have left Bell Labs by that time? I may have seen him, but do not remember.  

Me:
Also, I was working in Holmdel and Red Hill facilities of Bell Labs, in New Jersey, June 1985 to March 1992, but I did know a few others who worked elsewhere, like Murray Hill, Chicago etc, Do you know more about your mama, where and when in Bell Labs ?  

Me:
My elder brother (who was also in Bell Labs in 1980s, and it was him who made it possible for me to get that job offer), Prof Keshava Prasad Halemane, now lives in Bikarnakatte, Mangalore, having retired from NITK AROUND 2017 or so, got his new house built and moved out of campus faculty quarters after retirement  

Chethan Rao   9:34 AM 
He worked from 79 I think  
And then he worked at telcordia also after bell split  
Nice to know about halamane sir  

Chethan Rao   9:42 AM 
I think he graduated in 68 from krec  
My uncle  

Me:
Oh, Okay, so he must have been in Bellcore when I joined, because then it was already split into BellCore (which became Telcordia much later I think) and AT&T Bell Labs. I have met some people in Bell Core through our friends Dinesh Nettar (also from Mangalore region, my elder brother's classmate) who was working in Bellcore there in Holmdel itself then, but later they moved to Piscataway, and they did interview me before I joined Bell Labs, and also in mid 1990s after I lost my Bell labs job thanks to Dinesh there, but both times no job offer, and it is very likely that he had introduced me to your mama Subramanya Shastry, or it could be in Dinesh's house also at some gathering (I remember one especially, with many many invitees, it was when one IIT Madras Professor Subbu (?) of Chemistry and Special Instruments Lab, whom I also knew (when I did MSc in Physics there), had come visiting, he was Dinesh's PhD advisor there, I think, also helped me with my MSc dissertation.  

Chethan Rao   10:46 AM 
👍  

Chethan Rao   10:48 AM 
Yup Dinesh nettar knows my mama. See him as a mutual connection  

Me:
Okay  

Me:
👍  

Chethan Rao   10:54 AM 
Athe sa swalpa varsha alli kelsa madidru  
Doctor agi  
Sari gothila  

Me:
atthe ya heasru entha ?  

Chethan Rao   11:20 AM 
Jyothsna shastry  
Eega Tampa dalli retire agidhare  

Me:
was she in Bellcore /Telcordia or Bell Labs medical service area ?  

Chethan Rao   12:17 PM 
Not sure   
Medical  
Mostly  
Dinesh uncle may know more  

Me:
Chethan, I could be wrong, but I think I vaguely remember seeing an Indian name on one of the rooms in the medical service area, (a few doctors and nurses were there I think, but usually we did not go there, and were using our own health plan physicians, it was more like for emergency and other working hours type needs, and once my Supervisor had asked me to go there and talk to a psychologist type physician, it was when he was pushing me out from his group I think, maybe it was needed for his own sake, for HR or legal justifications perhaps, i am guessing here, and that went fine, so the management must have felt that  they need not worry about me, in psychological terms,  regarding their actions). So, it is possible that she may have been working in Bell Labs, in 1989 or so timeframe, or it could have been a different name, or  i could be wrong also about it  

Chethan Rao   12:44 PM 
I am not sure if she worked when you were there  

Me:
Okay  

Me:
This is my elder brother's contact info. I think he will appreciate hearing from an old student from his college, usually it is a pleasure for a faculty member to hear from old students, although many students do not do it and worry if such contacting will be considered as annoying or waste of time. But, I am sure that it is a good thing, even if it was not a fully pleasant past experience, and that does not matter much for the faculty member, he or she will not be keeping such grudges or feelings, the relationship is more of parental type. So, please feel free to contact him, etc. His two sons are now working in USA, daughter is a faculty member at Ayurvedic college in Moodabidri.   
PROF. KESHAVA PRASADA HALEMANE mobile => +91 94810 22946 EMAIL = K.Pra...@gmail.com  address=> "SASHESHA", Sowjanya Road, Naigara Hills, Bikarnakatte, Mangaluru - 575005. He is on linkedin also, i think  

Chethan Rao   1:00 PM 
Sure. I was not his student. I had met him in dean's office once. He was a dean of nitk while I was there. Thanks for the info. I will chat with him sometime.  

Me:
👍  

2025 Mar 14 
Chethan Rao   8:27 AM 
(profile sent, deleted here)
I found this in our sthanika group.  
You can contact directly if interested. Please don't say my name.  

Chethan Rao   10:27 AM 
I am sending because you have been posting about your son's looking for bride  

Me:
Thanks  
👍  
Thank you!  
Sorry about the delay, sending next steps info soon  

Chethan Rao   4:31 PM 
👍  

Me:
Chethan, it all looks good, here is the info to go forward so that the boy and the girl can talk to each other etc = Yes, thank you, i am very happy and pleased to hear from you, and we are very much interested. our son Kaviraj is at mobile number = +1-323-681-4444, his email is khal...@gmail.com, 
(rest deleted here for brevity)

Me:
My email is TRHAL...@GMAIL.COM , also RAYA...@YAHOO.COM, instagram is @thirumalaraya.  

Chethan Rao   4:49 PM 
Passed your information to the sender in the sthanika group  

Me:
Great, Chethan, Thank You. Here is some more info, profile etc PLEASE FEEL FREE TO FORWARD THIS ALSO, anyone interested will get more details from these profiles here =  
(deleted here for brevity)

Chethan Rao   5:19 PM 
Sure  

Me:
👍🙏 THANK YOU, CHETHAN  

Chethan Rao   5:41 PM 
Sorry I forgot to see the age of your children. Can I post this in sthanika group?  
There may be someone who is interested  

Me:
YES, SURE, THANK YOU.  

2025 November 1
Saturday 
Me:
Hi Chetan, how r u ? 
r u from Mangalore region ? 
r u in sthanika group ? 
is sthanika same as aachari ? 
(i think my sOdara maava na maga married an aachari girl or it could be sthaanika, (myself not exactly sure0  

Chethan Rao   2:46 PM 
We are brahmins. I grew up in barkur. Went to school there in brahmavar little rock Indian school.   
(my reaction 👍) 
Then studied in nitk and once met your brother if you remember I already told.   
(my reaction 👍)  

2025 November 2
Today 
Me:
Yeah  

Me:
Shastry could be in Haveeka, Madhwa, various others also, same with Rao, Bhat, Sharma etc  

Chethan Rao   4:38 PM 
May be all of them were same and then they split somewhere  

Me:
Hmmm.. Yes. Our WBF World Brahman Federation, organization Founder President Shree Nirmal Choubey, a friend of mine, once told me Sharma is like the "generic" braahmaNa surname, .. his "Choubey" actually means Chaturvedi it seems .. so, Yes, it is a good point you made.  

Chethan Rao   4:44 PM 
👍  

Me:
In mantras, often the priest says my name like "thirumalaraya sharmaNaha", although there is formally no "Sharma" in my name, adding it to complete the name, as if like avaru or Sir we can say. I noticed this back in my young years in India.   
(Reacted with 👍)
(Seen by Chethan Rao at 4:51 PM)

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Date: Thu, Nov 6, 2025 at 8:41 PM

To: Keshava PRASAD Halemane <k.pra...@gmail.com>, Udaya Bhanu Halemane <udaya.bhan...@gmail.com>, Usha Ammankallu <ushaamm...@gmail.com>, Rajendra K. Halemane <hale...@gmail.com>, Ravi Bhat Halemane <ravibh...@gmail.com>, Ravi Bhat Halemane <madhur...@gmail.com>, Keshavaprasad S. <mithaja...@gmail.com>, Vijaya Subrahmanya <vijikar...@gmail.com>, Shilpi Halemane <shi...@gmail.com>, Kavi Halemane <khal...@gmail.com>, Usha Halemane <uhal...@gmail.com>, Usha Halemane <usha.h...@diag.bracco.com>, Thirumala Halemane <raya...@yahoo.com>, Thirumala Halemane <trhal...@gmail.com>

From: Thirumala Halemane <raya...@yahoo.com>
dear doDDaNNa,
here is another Interesting Article, It means, once again, that the DNA Genes Theory is incomplete for human being description = so more is needed



raya

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in the old photo here, we see our younger son Shilpi, photo from his young years, early 1990s or late 1980s perhaps, standing next to our minivan on the driveway at our then home in Howell, NJ 
Shilpi standing next to our minivan on our driveway in Howeel NJ img485.jpg
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