(EMOTIONAL OUTBURSTS etc relief from stresses, accumulated or latent, utilize as a path to Rise Higher, Jai TuLu + Jai Sanskrit), my further interaction ==>> Re: ON LANGUAGE BHAASHA ISSUES, new approaches would be better ==>> Re: अब ये लोग नहीं है … शुक्रिया अदा करो – १Jai TuLu + Jai Sanskrit

[Thirumala Raya Halemane]

(EMOTIONAL OUTBURSTS etc stress-relief, from accumulated / latent, 

utilize as a path to Rise Higher, Jai TuLu + Jai Sanskrit), 

my further interaction ==>> Re: ON LANGUAGE BHAASHA ISSUES, new approaches would be better ==>> Re: अब ये लोग नहीं है … शुक्रिया अदा करो – १

Jai TuLu + Jai Sanskrit

On Sat, Jun 7, 2025 at 12:27 PM Thirumala Raya Halemane <trhal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Dear Sir Shree Pankaj Sahay Ji   avarugaLu,

Thanks very much for your response, and it has all the "good", or relevant, facts, I agree,

And, because of it (what you mentioned), only, that is because of the current historical situation faced by 

or in the sanatana hindu dharma civilization, because it is unnatural to it, NOT NATURAL, NOT INTRINSIC, 

does not agree with the true nature of the people and of society, that is why the indian civilization finds itself 

in the kind of frustration, helplessness, confusion etc that is being seen. 

And so, it is also a very emotional issue, and unfortunately, those emotions also have to be faced, overcome,

and conquered over, for calmness and clarity, better understanding, higher awareness to dawn in after the

emotional outbursts are over and got rid off.

There is nothing wrong in loving a language, and especially our own mother tongue, or local language of the

society etc. It is considered as a good thing, very healthy, for the emotions, for mind and spirit, and thus for 

body also, because all these aspects are fully connected within us. 

And, of course, it is not the fault of the language itself when some of its speakers or the system they are in 

or are being governed under is not working in a mode that is fair and helpful to the people.

There is also much mis-understanding about democracy as "majority-rule", almost like dictatorship by higher 

numbers and louder voices, over the rest. It can result in weaker sections, smaller regions, etc, getting badly

affected or victimized. And, supposedly, the law and the judicial system is expected to bring fairness and 

justice back to them. Unfortunately, in reality, this does not always happen or does not happen well.

Let me also add the following =

I am from the TuLu speaking region in the South (now parts of it are in Kerala and Karnataka), TuLu is mentioned

in the epics also. And it has always been, and still is, a fully alive, vibrant, language and culture. It is very much seen

and experienced in that region, and beyond.

However, TuLu is not in the list of the officially recognized languages in the constitution. A few more were perhaps

added to the official list in later decades, but TuLu was being fully ignored.

Yes, I am aware that now there are good efforts being made for TuLu in supportive ways. For the neglect, some 

historical reasons are there, like  lack of knowledge about the missing (not common knowledge) TuLu alphabets, 

historical absence of TuLu printing, Basel Mission objectives and influence in the region etc.

There is actually an interesting observation we can make about Sanskrit and TuLu, how they survived and are 

being revived. It is in fact a very striking difference. And, very noteworthy, with aspects of a measure of wonder

and high appreciation, we can say. I mentioned it years ago to friends like Raghavan Pratiwadi, when I was

thinking about Sanskrit education at our temple etc. 

In the case of Sanskrit, the good survival is more through the literature and scholarly interests, activities, experts, 

priests, shlokas, cultural influence acknowledged and so on, but not much or almost none using it at home or in 

their daily living activities In fact then it was being described often as a dead ancient language, but of course, it

is not the case anymore, a lot more appreciation is there, things have turned around, improved much in recent

decades. Jai Sanskrit.

In the case of TuLu, the survival is because the language is fully being used at home and in the daily lives and 

work in the region, its folks & culture, and not much was there, almost none in the sense of scholarly activities,

or generally known literature, acknowledged influence on others etc. Now, with a lot more attention, work etc, 

things are looking good. Jai TuLu.

Please Keep Up the Good Work. Best Wishes, Aummm..

our many thanks, regards and best wishes

thirumala raya halemane

13 eagles pass, princeton, nj 08540

ps=

We are seeking suitable bride for our elder son Kaviraj, we appreciate everybody's help, support, good wishes, good vibes, blessings, spreading the word etc, it is a pleasure to seek and get your help. thanks very much. best wishes.

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On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 1:21 PM Pankaj Sahay <pans...@gmail.com> wrote:

you write in the language of the colonisers, east india company, macaulay, who actively destroyed Indian gurukuls and imposed English, bengal famines, jallianwalla bagh, hunted the kodavas, nairs, nihangs, cut off thumbs of weavers, ... , ... 

and call a Bharatiya bhasha, 3rd or 4th largest spoken in the world in its own right,  decided by democratic process as imposed???????? 

with 1500 languages and only 30 odd LINGUISTIC states, then every official language of the state is imposed. 

then make 1500, or a few 100 LINGUISTIC states to be fair and correct.

stop throwing the word 'imposition' or 'imperialism' for Hindi. it shows internalised slavery when english has been the language of imperialism and you dont even notice it. 

in singapore is tamil an IMPOSED language?? 

Bharat did NOT have LINGUISTIC states or a LINGUISTIC identity - "I am a tamilian, bengali, gujarati," etc. 

Swati Tirunal composed in Southern languages and Sanskrit, Hindustani, etc. 

All debates PRESUME that LINGUISTIC states are proper, but such was never the case historically. nor does the constitution today mention LINGUISTIC states, but that they can be redrawn anytime on administrative lines. 

On Thu, 5 Jun 2025, 21:24 Thirumala Raya Halemane, <trhal...@gmail.com> wrote:

dEAR sHREE vINAYAK sAVARKAR jI,

i think, you may be assuming things, mixing up, and confusing several issues here. 

that is my opinion, and, SORRY about saying so, please ignore if it is not the case.

You can of course, disagree, have your own opinions etc.

There are several ways in which unity in diversity can be worked for, and protected, as the national cause,

while emphasis is placed at the HIGHER LEVELS of values, and thus of higher level unity, without putting 

too much emphasis on the characteristics for driving harder the divisive factors, because that will be like 

going backwards while also striving to go forward and achieving some success in doing so.

For example, for better harmony and mutual respect and more integration between various languages

explore better ways, like offering other states' languages in every state, as ELECTIVE topic subjects,

for teaching and learning options in schools, colleges wtc, including of course in the hindi speaking states.

To make it easier to implement, one can develop like-a sister-state or sister-district or sister-school

type of concept for this, so that. objectives can be easily handled and achieved, and help from higher

governing agencies, budgetary concerns etc is kept minimal.

Food and Culture from different states or tribes etc also are there as another very attractive area of 

mutual interest for all.

And, this will also increase employment, job possibilities, in teaching, learning, translation, etc, 

and enable better skills development for the job applicants, language skills included..

In previous eras, encouraging "proper English", helped the British Empire elites, and here, it feels a 

bit similar to that, you are talking about "proper Hindi", forgive me for saying this, but the former 

colonies seem to be more interested in moulding themselves in the image of their former masters

in dutiful slavish-minded fashion ??? 

Please note that RSS was also founded during governance by the British, and I think it was to keep 

the Hindus in check, divided, "under good control" of the Empire. 

I am aware that it is not easy to bounce back while under subjugation, suppression, downgrading,

elimination objectives, motivated and targeted focus. 

So while agreeing with you partially, some good points there, I strongly recommend newer approaches 

for Language Bhaasha Policy, and keep away from the Hindi "Imperialism" type future vision that may 

be very appealing to various people and various interests, and forces that seem to exist, internally as 

well as externally, but which is derived from the colonial past and history of the nation, and is not a

part of the internal intrinsic tradition of our sanatana hindu dharma civilization.

Individuals, leaders, people, all of us, have our limitations, and can press forward only to an extent, 

and going further, the beyond, is left for the others, for the future. We hope and pray for the best.

Our many thanks, regards, namaskaars-praNaams and best wishes to you and all family

Best Wishes, Aummm...

thirumala raya halemane

13 eagles pass, princeton, nj 08540

ps= YES, OUR CHILDREN SUFFERED, WERE TARGETED, YES

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On Thu, Jun 5, 2025 at 5:34 AM savarkar vinayak <savarkar...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

To help the nation and National pride, foreign muslim urdu bhasha is not required.

For the sake of nation you must know the difference  and learn Hindi.

pranam

 

On Wednesday, 4 June 2025 at 17:48:23 BST, Thirumala Raya Halemane <trhal...@gmail.com> wrote:

Priya Dear Shree Vinayak Savarkar Sir Ji,

aapka your this email response ko dhanyavad thank you

lekin, baath ye hai = ham sabhee bhaashaavOnko upayOg karthe hein, 

NO EXCEPTIONS, NO EXCLUSIONS. i am not a language fanatic.

I use all languages, and sometimes, i may not even know the difference,

like which word is hindi or which is urdu, or origin etc facts.

in fact, often ham ko urdu or hindi words kaun kaun maaloom naheen

lekin, oh Ek alag vichaar hai, but, it is a different matter.

Sorry, my views are not the same as yours, so we disagree.

Every individual is unique, not identical to someone else, as you would also know and appreciate, i think.

So, please do not expect that I can agree with you regarding your views on language or words to use.

Regards and Best Wishes

thirumala raya halemane 

ps=

PLEASE HELP 

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(REST DELETED for brevity, sent previously)

 

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in the three old photos here, from 1980s, we see our sons Kaviraj and Shilpi,